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[VIC] Regional Fare Cap on Trains & Buses: Full Fare $10, Concession $5 on V/Line @ Public Transport Victoria

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[VIC] Regional Fare Cap on Trains & Buses: Full Fare $10, Concession $5 on V/Line @ Public Transport Victoria
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SupeNintendoChalmers on 05/03/2023 - 21:59 ptv.vic.gov.au (2610 clicks)
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What is the regional fare cap?

The new regional fare cap reduces the cost of a weekday daily ticket on the public transport network to $9.20 $10 for a full fare or $4.60 $5 concession. It also extends the Weekend Saver cap for travel on Victoria’s regional network, meaning that on weekends and public holidays, your daily myki Money fare is capped at $6.70 $7.20 ($3.35 $3.60 concession).
Regional commuters who use a myki Pass (either the 7-day pass or the 28–365-day pass) will also have their fares capped at the Melbourne Zone 1 + 2 rate (currently $46 per week for the 7-day pass, or $5.52 a day for the 28–365-day pass).

When will the regional fare cap start?

This regional fare cap will begin on 31 March 2023.

Update Aug 7: The daily capped fare has increased from $9.20 to $10 full fare, and from $4.60 to $5 for concession.

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      • Koffee on 06/03/2023 - 22:11

        That was part of the problem with Dan's Sky Rail…
        It was never duplication friendly, and it was reasonably foreseeable that given how woeful the rest of Melbourne's infrastructure (not just rail, I mean sewerage, water pressure, pretty much everything that planning is being swept away from without actual infrastructure planning) is with its population, that it would require expansion.

  • itshammer on 06/03/2023 - 05:33
    +8

    Now if NSW did the same you could get a train to Sydney for $20

    • 6079 Smith on 06/03/2023 - 10:31

      I mean the Sydney Trains network does extend as far as Goulburn/Scone/Newcastle/Bathurst (the latter 2 you can get direct from Central for $9). The issue with NSW is that in most cases road is considerably faster

      • Techie4066 on 06/03/2023 - 16:17

        The silly thing about the Newcastle line is that even people travelling an hour to Woy Woy, Gosford, Wyong etc are charged the full $9. It's not good.

    • markathome on 06/03/2023 - 06:04
      +1

      It should only cost a quarter of that though $2.30 each way. Even if your son wasn't eligible for a concession fare, it'd still be $4.60 each way (half the above price).

      • BargainHunterMYz on 06/03/2023 - 06:07
        +2

        My bad. Misread the amount. Even at half the price it's still crazily expensive. Will edit.

        And I don't understand why we're in 2023 and still don't implement distance-based fair like Singapore and cap after certain distance.

        • cute as duck on 06/03/2023 - 06:45
          +7

          And I don't understand why we're in 2023 and still don't implement distance-based fair like Singapore and cap after certain distance

          Because that would only disadvantage those who are already disadvantaged and have to live far away from everything.

          Why does little Johnny who lives in outter west have to pay more to go city then someone (who I assume is able-bodied) who could have walked instead of used public transport to cover only 1KM?

          • BargainHunterMYz on 06/03/2023 - 07:23

            @cute as duck: Because it is not easy for a child to walk 1km, and because it will be 2 km return trip for pick up and another 2km for drop off for the parent.

          • john71 on 06/03/2023 - 08:07
            -1

            @cute as duck: Those that benefit from this fare change are hugely benefited by being pandered to by politicians from both sides.

            Otherwise, those who whine about the disadvantages of country living should pack their bags, load their horse buggies and move closer to Melbourne.

            • annarchon on 06/03/2023 - 08:13
              +5

              @john71: Do you realise that we are specifically wanting people to stay at/move out to the regional areas to alleviate the housing crisis in the cities, and to reduce further urban sprawl right?

              • Koffee on 06/03/2023 - 22:14

                @annarchon: @annachron This isn't really feasible unless you either
                a) get fast rail, and track duplication, and none of that has not been committed to;
                b) move service HQ out of Melbourne to regional centres so people can live and work out there, which the Coalition has tried to do and committed to do but the current government refuses to do

        • mickeyjuiceman on 06/03/2023 - 06:54
          +8

          It's a great comparison given how similar the geography of Singapore and Australia is. Really really similar.

          • BargainHunterMYz on 06/03/2023 - 07:24
            +1

            @mickeyjuiceman: So you think Australia doesn't have gps or technology to do something similar? Is it how you see your country?

            • mickeyjuiceman on 06/03/2023 - 08:01
              +1

              @BargainHunterMYz: Not 100 per cent sure how GPS or technology can shrink an ENORMOUS continent to the size of a very small island, but go ahead, you explain away. You do understand what "geography" means, right?)

        • annarchon on 06/03/2023 - 07:55
          +2

          And I don't understand why we're in 2023 and still don't implement distance-based fair like Singapore and cap after certain distance.

          Because we specifically moved away from a distance based system to a zone based system?

    • lostgoat on 06/03/2023 - 07:35
      +5

      @wongly12 You don't think your trip is being subsidised as well ?

    • freefall101 on 06/03/2023 - 07:49
      +5

      It’s not being subsidised by you paying for travel, the price of your ticket stays the same while for regional people it goes down.

      That’s how government works, you pay your taxes and everyone gets services. Unless you’re in the top few percent of earners or you somehow avoid getting an education, needing healthcare or travelling you’ll get more back than you ever put in.

    • sween64 on 06/03/2023 - 08:34
      +5

      If it’s only 1km why doesn’t he walk? Surely it would only be 15 minutes at most…

    • Randolph Duke on 06/03/2023 - 09:52

      1km? Why not just walk.

  • oldmaterowdy on 06/03/2023 - 07:24

    Still cheaper to buy a new Myki for every regional trip with $1 credit ($6+$1) and throw it in the bin 😁

    • JimB on 06/03/2023 - 08:55
      +1

      It’s $9.20 cap per DAY.

      I’m not sure what the per trip price is but it will be cheaper than 2 Myki’s if you want to return

  • aerona on 06/03/2023 - 08:36
    +2

    Will be interesting to see how packed vlines are and how many new trains need to be made. Is there any other big city in the world who had successfully implemented this system of this fare structure?

    • cunningdrew on 06/03/2023 - 08:41
      +2

      Going to be very interesting to see if the commuter numbers have a significant rise coming out of Geelong. If this means people can live Regional and work CBD, like I do, then it's a good thing for the housing jam.

      • aerona on 06/03/2023 - 09:01
        +3

        There's going to be

        Added rural commuters to work
        Added rural commuters for leisure
        Added city people to work
        Added city people for leisure
        Added tourist
        Added backpackers

        It will get heavier once the months go by i think, once people hear about it or when commuters establish jobs into the centre.

        Then what happens. How many new lines are required. It doesn't take alot to pack a train. Last time i took mine to rural it cost $27 one way and the train was already at 60% capacity non peak time.

        Independent bus services to these rural towns will also be out of business is another issue. Which tourist or backpacker will want to pay for a group ride package deal to the destination now. When it can it can all be had for less than $10. I imagine a whole industry will be disrupted here. The survivors will be those services that provide drop offs at towns that the public services do not provide.

        Has anyone seen Sydney ferries on their free days. It is absolutely decked out

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 06/03/2023 - 10:01

          Which tourist or backpacker will want to pay for a group ride package deal to the destination now. When it can it can all be had for less than $10.

          There aren't many places closeby to train stations, and I highly doubt extra buses will be put on to enable people to comfortably do the GOR, Grampians etc on the cheap.

        • Koffee on 06/03/2023 - 22:15

          And where's the money coming from for any of these rail upgrades?

      • Danimal86 on 06/03/2023 - 16:30

        Will cause an absolute debacle at Tarneit if the trains are already full when they get there. Deer Park going to get absolutely shafted as well.

    • alxjpow on 06/03/2023 - 11:52
      +1

      When I first heard about this… I pictured India with people riding on the roof.

    • Danimal86 on 06/03/2023 - 16:32

      Lol can make all the trains you like, several of the networks almost at signalling capacity now. If a Ballarat train runs 10 mins late in the morning it takes almost all day for it to get back to normal. They need to significantly upgrade the signalling to get more trains on the line. It’s going to be very interesting to see how this pans out.

  • spedohero on 06/03/2023 - 09:10
    +3

    Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it.

    • starspawn on 06/03/2023 - 09:33
      +8

      Amazing insight here

      • spedohero on 06/03/2023 - 20:22
        +1

        You are welcome.

    • mickeyjuiceman on 06/03/2023 - 09:34

      Who claimed it was free?

      • spedohero on 06/03/2023 - 20:22

        I didn’t say it is free. I said nothing is free.

        • mickeyjuiceman on 07/03/2023 - 08:22
          +1

          Oh, you weren't responding to anyone, just dropping philosophy on us. Great work, Plato.

    • cunningdrew on 06/03/2023 - 09:37
      +1

      So much wise.

  • starspawn on 06/03/2023 - 09:35
    -3

    I completely support this move and think it's brilliant. Another Dan Andrews milestone for the people.

    Public Transport should be a flat rate and just because someone lives regionally, I don't think they should have to pay more.

  • Oneguyinmelb on 06/03/2023 - 09:51
    +9

    Interesting reading the comments.

    Remember it's not just the city 'subsidising' the regional workers, city dwellers can also now use PT to visit the regions as well.

    • Randolph Duke on 06/03/2023 - 09:53
      +4

      Should help regional tourism a great deal, at least those near regional V/Line stations.

      • Koffee on 06/03/2023 - 22:18

        Most regional areas aren't walkable unless you just want to go to a specific town for a specific region.

    • lostgoat on 06/03/2023 - 10:01
      -1

      Is that a bit like city drivers paying huge fuel exercises and having the privilege of millions of tolls vs 0 tolls in the country side ?

      • Oneguyinmelb on 06/03/2023 - 10:08
        +5

        Sure there 0 tolls in the country side

        But regional residents drive more kms due to lack of public transport options and everything being further away…so they pay more fuel excise and fuel is typically more expensive than the city

  • billyb67 on 06/03/2023 - 11:02
    +9

    Notice how a great announcement like this instantly gets derailed by the anti-Dan cookers.. it's why i barely look in these forums much anymore, it's just pathetic how these trolls have infested the internet with their brain damaged rhetoric

    they can't even appreciate the simplest of things, they are just so full of hate and rage, it doesn't what Dan does, they will just lose their tiny minds over it

    • Koffee on 06/03/2023 - 22:19
      +1

      Keep gaslighting yourself, friend

  • Jolakot on 06/03/2023 - 11:57
    +3

    This is great politicking honestly; getting more people to use PT means that there will be more voters demanding PT improvements in future elections

    So with the massive amount of new infrastructure that Labor is building, which I'm sure will be completed 'conveniently' before the next election, it's going to be incredibly tough for an opposition to fight against fulfilled election promises for a key issue

    And given that the Victorian Liberals have basically branded themselves as anti-train in the last election, they're going to have to either backflip and run head-first into their own rhetoric, or double-down and lose a ton of key demographics

    I'm not the biggest fan of them, but the Victorian Labor party seems almost unstoppable now, whoever they have running strategy is a genius

    • mickeyjuiceman on 06/03/2023 - 12:02
      +1

      TBF, given how the Liberals have been in the past few years, it's not a huge ask to defeat them, given the effort they put into defeating themselves.

    • Randolph Duke on 06/03/2023 - 14:49

      The Libs announced their reduced regional ticket pricing (50% of existing rates) election promise first - this policy was Labor's response.

      • Jolakot on 06/03/2023 - 15:18

        Yes, their proposal would have cost us 1.3 billion over 4 years, and a vline trip would still have cost up to 10x more than a metro trip

        Fixing the same base issue for a lower cost is something that I'd expect from the 'economic managers', and yet here we are

  • kinpe on 06/03/2023 - 12:08
    -1

    It's great that we're encouraging people to use PT but when it costs the same price to cross the state vs travelling a couple of stops we have to question if we struck the right balance tbh. Go 2 stops $9.20 daily, Travel several hours each way on v line, $9.20, one is clearly subsidising the other.

    • pizzaguy on 06/03/2023 - 12:22
      -1

      What's wrong with that again? Are you expecting they're going to cap hundreds of thousands of city cummuters' fares at one dollar?

      And by "they" I mean us, the taxpayers.

    • cunningdrew on 06/03/2023 - 12:25
      +1

      In a game of checkers one is subsidising the others, in a game of chess not so.

      • The guy who travels a handful of stops on a tram pays x amount but would be just similar to Uber to the footy or walk, train or tram. Is there an economic gain here for the state?

      • The guy who travels from regional to the footy see's a $15 saving now which is enough to encourage him to go to the game, buy lunch, have a few beers and put dollars through the economy.

      • What about the girl who has had enough of inner city and cannot get a cheap unit anyway? She's only doing 2-3 days a week in the office and chosen to move Regional so she can have cheaper rent, be closer to Geelong beach and be part of releasing short term congestion on the housing market.

    • annarchon on 06/03/2023 - 19:31

      Do you travel across the state just for the heck of it?

  • pizzaguy on 06/03/2023 - 12:16

    PTV or V/Line regional fares and saving options within it are hell to decipher, also to their customer service. I've had multiple chats with multiple CS people who were as lost and seemingly in googling frenzy, when I asked them simply: how much I'd pay as an adult for a particular trip on a particular day.

    When I jump on a regional train, I just assume I'm paying the full standard fare. If it turns out cheper, that's great.

    When I have company, I take the car, because the potential cost is rather huge and I'd rather not risk.

    City/metro fares are easier to comprehend to me, but I noticed lots of peope don't realise the existence of certain caps. Thus they uber.

    • Danimal86 on 06/03/2023 - 16:42
      +1

      Yeah it was incredibly convoluted, this will simplify things significantly

  • tmcn85 on 06/03/2023 - 12:53

    In socialist Victoria your comrades pay for your transport.

    • Jolakot on 06/03/2023 - 13:14

      Don't threaten us with a good time

    • tmcn85 on 06/03/2023 - 13:32
      +1

      Nobody has ever been charged for a ride to the gulags

    • Randolph Duke on 06/03/2023 - 14:51

      You're going to freak out when your realise Australia has multiple items at state & federal level that are subsidised by the tax payer.

      • cunningdrew on 06/03/2023 - 15:30
        +1

        Wait, so that time I went to hospital for shoulder surgery and they only charged me $38.20 for medication on the way out…. that wasn't the true cost including the full surgery team and hospitality? #truestory

      • tmcn85 on 06/03/2023 - 16:12
        -1

        But why isn't everything subsidised? My food shop for example.. surely food is a human right?

        • annarchon on 06/03/2023 - 19:35
          +1

          Thats why there is centerlink, medicare and jobseeker and the dole. There is a baseline of services that you get, a baseline to get you around the country, a baseline to feed yourself and house yourself, a baseline for medical care.

  • notallthere on 06/03/2023 - 13:40

    Regional rail in Victoria is a joke I’m talking 10-15 minute delays on every express work service, I catch it every weekday to the CBD and back and it’s horrible. Better than living in the city though IMO. 🫡

  • zan5hin on 06/03/2023 - 14:06

    They estimate that ridership will increase 20%. But when Germany implemented similar scheme, ridership increased 60%.

    Is anyone commenting on the current poor rolling stock situation and how this fare reduction will affect that?

    • Danimal86 on 06/03/2023 - 16:45

      The locos and car sets will be almost completely gone by the end of this year. Word is they’re putting huge pressure on Alstom to increase output on VLocity units and they may even start partially assembling them at the XTrap site in Ballarat to try and get it going. That being said, they’re either going to have to order significantly more or figure out what is coming next and start ordering some of them pretty quick smart also.

    • annarchon on 06/03/2023 - 19:37
      +1

      Germany had an actual system that people will want to take advantage of. Vline, not so much, some commuters will be tempted by the cheaper fares but will be frustrated by the service and delays. The occasional trips for the city siders will just be occasional.

    • Koffee on 06/03/2023 - 22:22

      That presumes that in the five years the State Government didn't know how to write a business case for the Suburban Rail Loop, and was unable to produce one, that they actually learned now.

  • cookie2 on 06/03/2023 - 15:40

    Cool, so it costs me as much to go on a local bus to the shopping centre and back for the day, as it does someone to travel to Geelong and back. That seems fair and reasonable.

  • toyrcr on 06/03/2023 - 20:31

    Originally grew up and melbourne and working in sydney now.

    Just spend the last week travelling from Lara to Southern Cross Station
    Happy the price was the same as my sydney 15min train ticket and quiet carriages where i could work, unhappy the service is not on time, hard to read the train platforms and locations and the internet is terrible to get a signal out to work

    Still wont stop the expensive (but better) coffee melbourne has compared with Sydney.

  • sydboy007 on 06/03/2023 - 22:57

    It seems those who do short trips are now subsidising to a massive degree those who do long trips.

    If they don't get a significant increase in patronage this is hundreds of millions in extra debt each year

  • mojjo25 on 06/03/2023 - 23:23
    -4

    Labor aka Left government is a Robinhood (communist) style governance. Tax the rich and give feebies to poor bums who dont want to work.
    They spite on rich who generate revenue. And give doles and freebies to everyone for no reasons leaving deficit in the treasurary esp when Aus debt has reached almost a trillion. Any sane mind person can never vote for Leftist/ labor or Democrates, they are economy destroyers; dont respond to me but analyse yourself through historical data.
    Also please tell me they are going to pack trains like sardeins once people agree to take train more from V/Line with such cheaper rates; already feels like pig cages in early mornings.

    • mickeyjuiceman on 07/03/2023 - 08:21
      +2

      Well, that was really related to the topic at hand, well done cooker.

  • nekro on 10/03/2023 - 13:52

    This is marvellous news.

  • paulbrown073 on 17/03/2023 - 21:50

    At least dan has said let’s build trams and trains in Australia rather than overseas unlike the idiot that is north of the border.

  • pizzaguy on 31/03/2023 - 11:48

    Are regional trains full of people now?

    Seriously can't wait to go out of town and not having to drive for a weekend day trip.

  • Starlord on 25/04/2023 - 08:30

    Any thoughts on which is the most beautiful scenic route in regional for V-line?
    My kid loves trains and would really enjoy a 1-day getaway.

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