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Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XT (Boost: 2525MHz), 24GB GDDR6 (20000MHz), PCI-E 4.0 x16, 1x HDMI 2.1, 2x DisplayPort 2.1
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Powercolor Radeon RX 7900 XTX Hellhound OC 24GB GDDR6 Graphics Card $1699 + Delivery ($0 MEL C&C) @ PC Case Gear
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Yea same story with the 4090s…
The 4090's are for the suckers though. Nvidia aren't dropping prices on a product people will pay anything for. If you haven't bought a 4090 already you're a 4080/4070ti customer at heart.
people like you envious
Hardly… I can very well afford a 4090, but I would never get one because it's a terrible valued purchase.
@Freestyle: GPU's make poor people feel rich. They're the new 50 inch plasma tv. FYI poor people drive Mercedes rich people drive camrys. You'll find most the people with fancy stuff are asset poor.
GPU's are a stupid waste of money and yes they are marketed towards suckers. You could buy a SRK71ZRA-W for what a 4080 cost. Then you need to spend another $2000 on a monitor to go with the high end gpu. It's so stupid! There's more to life than boring video games
@JimmyNegger: One really needs to have a lot of disposable income to spend this much money just for FPS, knowing full well in a year or two, it will lose half its value, and in 5 years, pretty much all value.
So buyers are either spending business/government money that they feel no attachment to, or likely making some unsound choices in purchase priorities. Of course, they could just be very rich and have the disposable income.
@Jinster: Lol nah. Do you really think people with money have time to game? Higher income earners aren't so impulsive when it comes to needing stuff. It's the new 50 inch plasma/consumer class status symbol.
50 inch plasmas also cost 2-4k back then too.
spend another $2000 on a monitor to go with the high end gpu. It's so stupid! There's more to life than boring video games
So what are you even doing in this thread ? Joining threads to post about things you aren't interested in, is just a waste of everyone's time - including yours.
This isn't a pumped RRP? This is not even the top end of the range and it's almost 2 grand…
This is the "top end of the range" isn't it? At least until they release a 7950 XT, if they do at all
Sorry, I meant, range of graphics cards, i.e. you can still get faster cards than this from nvidia.
I dunno, prices just seem stupid to me. Top of the line should be $1000, something like this should be $800ish.
@caitsith01: You're not wrong.
This is a "good deal" considering we're still in the death throes of the GPU crisis and prices are still around 1.5 to 3 times the normal price (the historical trend line).
@caitsith01: You were correct anyway… Powercolor also make the higher model "Red Devil" for $100 more.
No it's a fair bit slower than 4090. Similar to 4080
100% agree… these things need to be under $1000. what a rip. cant believe parents shell out this kinda money for their jobless teens to buy overpriced gpus. I'll HODL until these gpu manufacturers come back to planet broke ass inflated earth 2023.
. I'll HODL until these gpu manufacturers come back to planet broke ass inflated earth 2023.
You'll be in a grave by then.
Its more of a 4080 competitor. Technically this should have been regular xx80 series price + inflation (Somewhere around 1200AUD). But because nvidia priced thier shyte higher, AMD used the opportunity to milk more.
pccg lol.
whats wrong with them?
Slow dispatch seems to have been a common problem, at least. I think a dispatch wait of a ~week can be normal, unless something's changed recently.
I bought an entire system of components from them in May last year, ordered 10AM one day arrived in central Vic 2PM the next. Things may have gone downhill since then, but I had zero complaints about their turnaround.
They got bought out and have been having support and dispatch problems/delays.
Some more info here on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/bapcsalesaustralia/comments/10qh71v…
I personally wouldn't take a chance buying from here anymore, it'd be a pain to try and get a refund by the sounds of things if it doesn't end up shipping out. Also wouldn't have upvoted the deal if I'd seen it was from PCCG.
You can revoke your vote.
Reprehensible customer service and after sales support, even under warranty.
Avoid PCCG like a plague. It's no longer the same store as what it was 2+ years ago.
I ordered the 79XTX Red Devil on 10/01/2023 (In-stock), just to have the store literally lock my order on 11/01/2023 so I can't cancel the order anymore, ghosted me all the way until I logged PayPal for refund. Even then it didn't arrive until 25/01/2023.
I only found out about 79XTX high power usage (idling at 110W with my LG 42" C2 & AOC 27CG2, whereas it's idling at <20-30W with my current RTX 2070S) when I got the card, requested a warranty claim to return the card on 28/01/2023 just to have them respond last Monday, rejecting the claim saying that they can't reproduce the issue - An issue that AMD themselves and many other 79XTX owners had acknowledged.
Also noted the issue of experiencing micro-stutters (1s stutter or so) randomly, which they simply disregarded as "we cannot reproduce the issue," despite being a known issue publicly.
The issue is ongoing and I'm in the middle of requesting of evidence of their idle power draw, which funny enough that they couldn't provide on the spot.
Not worth dealing with PCCG for this kind of crap
Nice info, I've been eyeing the Red Devil from there for the past few weeks.
Both PCCG and DailyClack support went to absolute shit right around the inception of COVID
"rejecting the claim saying that they can't reproduce the issue"
Do you know what driver version they used? I am under the impression that the latest driver(s) had at least mitigated the issue, if not fixed it?
@notaccel: Unfortunately they did not provide specific drivers - hence the reason I asked for evidence as I felt they didn't bother looking into this thoroughly. I can only assume it'd be 23.2.2 or earlier driver as they have been holding my GPU since 06/02/2023.
23.3.2* was released earlier this morning. The card is still with PCCG to date, however my friend who owned a 79XTX Nitro+ with similar configuration noted the issue still persist. The issue is still there on AMD's Release note as well.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-2…
All in fairness, whether it's 4080/90 or 79XT/X. all GPU & drivers have their own share of issues.
The ongoing issue with 79X/TX itself however is a deal breaker for me, have I known the issue beforehand. It's an ongoing driver issues that's been going on since release.
AMD may or may not fix the issues within the next couple of months or years, but I do rather not rely or hang myself into uncertainties.
Update your drivers
79XTX high power usage (idling at 110W..
Also noted the issue of experiencing micro-stutters (1s stutter or so) randomly..Keep us posted - I think it's unlikely you're going to get warranty coverage for either of these, the card isn't faulty, these are just annoying characteristics.
"we cannot reproduce the issue,"
But this is a crazy thing for them to say - how can they possibly reproduce the issue unless they go to the trouble of building the exact same machine as you, with all the same driver and firmware versions 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Good luck reproducing any issue when they're going to test your card in a totally different system !You bought the card to operate in your system, not theirs 🤦
Keep us posted - I think it's unlikely you're going to get warranty coverage for either of these, the card isn't faulty, these are just annoying characteristics.
As far as I’m aware, it is technically still counted as a major issue within a product purchased under ACL. It might not be classified as warranty coverage, however the GPU does have issues, and it is still within consumer rights (which I find baffling that a lot of retails trying to brush off as if their policy is above law itself).
With regards to the high power issue, at current NSW electricity rate, with my 2070Super, it’d be around $60 p.a. if the PC was running 24/7. In the case with 79XTX, it’d be simply 4x the cost. I was shocked when I found out the card is drawing that much power at idle. (and yes, my PC do run 24/7, although it might not be at idle sometimes)
Perhaps the cost is not as big as I’d make the issue sounds, but it is an issue outside the norm of what the card should have been. AMD themselves acknowledges the issue being a driver issue, and should not been an issue as is.
I’m not the only one with the issues either.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/10f2x9p/7900xtx_users_…But this is a crazy thing for them to say - how can they possibly reproduce the issue unless they go to the trouble of building the exact same machine as you, with all the same driver and firmware versions 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I do think reproducing the issues can be a challenge, especially with micro stutters which happens randomly. For instance, they can test microstutters on a game, open the game, leave it running (but idle in game) for 1 hour – They wouldn’t reproduce any form of results, especially microstutters often happens randomly.
The high idle power use however, is an issue that most people with dual monitor & large screen/resolution would encounter. That’s what I found awfully baffling that PC Case Gear dared to claim that they are able to reproduce identical power usage as my 2070Super.
Considering many 4080s cost around 100 dollar more, I see no reason buying this. RTX4080 is simply better in terms of RT, DLSS3, driver stability, game optimisation, power consumption, CUDA….
AMD needs to be marginally cheaper than nVidia counterpart for me to considerConsidering how expensive both 4080 and 7900XTX are, no point in getting either card, let it collect dust.
You paid $100 more for a card that is slower than this for the vast majority of situations.
Unless you do ML, or exclusively chase RT performance then the 4080 is the worse choice of the two
He didnt say he bought one.
Hes correct on all points, nvidea software is generally better and the RT is nice to have.
Happy with my 6900xtbut its not just about raw grunt.Ah yeah true, I misread that as they bought one.
Still, its mostly just the same AMD bashing retoric that gets spread around.
For most games the XTX is the better option, amd driver issues are not noticeably worse than nvidia ones.There are arguments to be made for a 4080 vs a 7900 xtx, but i don't agree about the OPs statement saying it is the clear winner. Especially not when aiming for a high refresh rate UHD or QHD screen.
I say this while being happy with my 3080 purchase, just get a bit over the "my brand loyalty" is better than "your brand loyalty" arguments.
@TelstraCyberduck: lol there’s more amd fanboying than amd bashing, you’d have to be blind to not see it online
@Freestyle: Lol, notice how i left it generic?
Yet here you are, saying "your brand loyalty" is way worse than "my brand loyalty"! (I don't have a brand loyalty)
Fanboyism is lame as, especially when its over consumer products by massive corporations.
@TelstraCyberduck: no you mentioned specifically “amd bashing” which is not true. There’s maybe one comment mentioning drivers and 100 others saying that person is lying, his AMD stuff is perfect, AMD is “for the consumers” or whatever else they can come up with (i dont mean this post but in general around the tech related websites or places such as reddit)
@Freestyle: I was specifically talking about the comment doing the AMD bashing.
His AMD stuff is not perfect, driver disparity is not the issue it once was. RT has limited support and negatively effects gameplay, dlss3 is the superior tech, AMD has their competitor in development.
The XTX has a significantly better performance in rasterisation than the 4080.
If you wany the top card buy the 4090, nothing else compares.
Otherwise there is arguments for either at this price point.
But sure, spend your money however you want. I wont be buying anything this generation.
The XTX has a significantly better performance in rasterisation than the 4080.
Last I checked, it's about 1% faster, that's basically margin of error difference. Basically it's the same performance on average. Certainly not "singificantly better".
100% agreed on this!! I regret going to AMD but can't be ass buying another card because of the inflated price.
AMD software and driver suck, even their "stable" versions are so bad!!
There's so much micro suttering everytime you update your game or AMD drivers. The shader cache issue is an actual absolute joke…
@astevens: I could just be the games that I play?
I have a 6950XT … :(
The worst part is I had a 1080Ti before and everything was smoooth
@qtmai: People that complain about this usually haven't don't a clean driver install. I have used Display Driver Uninstaller in safe mode and have removed drivers cleanly been both teams. Currently using a 6800XT, previously using a 2080, no significant issues in over a year. Having using graphics cards from both Nvidia and AMD/ATI over the years they both have had significant issues without hardware and software. Both companies have made significant improvements since 2013. I have had a 1070 generate smoke due to a faulty MOSFET. Don't know why people keep pushing this myth that one team is better than the other.
@astevens: Me too, 6900XT and a couple of 6800's, they run well, and great in Linux. No issues. And for VR with the games I play not really supporting DLSS, all I need is raw raster. 6000 series has been solid for me.
@qtmai: Stuttering is a newish issue due to DX12 games, it can happen on NVIDIA or AMD. The switch to DX12 allows for developers to get 'closer to the metal', but now they are more responsible for issues that the API's use to take care of, Shader Cache being one of them. The shader cache cannot be used between different driver versions, this is the same for NVIDIA or AMD, as to why, I do not know.
@qtmai: Don't know why you got negged. AMD fanbois everywhere thesedays.
It's pretty outrageous of them to defend AMD. I have a 6600xt and have also experienced multiple driver issues. They only play dota and have no issues therefore think AMD are god. AMD have plethora of bugs in their driver notes in regards to popular games. Stupid ignorant petulant fanbois
@JimmyNegger: Today NVIDIA released a hot fix for their driver bug issue causing a 10+% CPU usage and in December NVIDIA released a driver with 29 fixes for driver bugs. I also explained the stuttering issue in the post above yours
There you are calling people "Stupid ignorant petulant fanbois" when perhaps you should be looking closer at yourself for awful behaviour. Since you've been here at OzBargain your contributions have been highly negative, why not try being more positive?
yeah man everyone should buy AMD for the flex
I believe its been proven time and time again driver stability is the same in both camps these days, and they trade blow in terms of optimisation for games, with better power consumption.
CUDA is just shader cores (that some programs are optimised for), so weird to mention this.
AMD DLSS3 version is incoming. So all it has it RT but at an increased cost.
And nvidia ANSEL and Shadowplay.
Having used both an AMD and an NVIDIA card in the past couple of years, I'd argue that ReLive is much more feature rich than Shadowplay.
NVIDIA's H.264 encoder is still a bit better for streaming to sites like Twitch due to better performance at low bitrates but that's not really a factor for local recordings/replays like ReLive/Shadowplay, and Shadowplay has really fallen off in terms of features compared to ReLive.
ReLive is also built-in to the driver software and doesn't require an additional install (GeForce Experience) or account to use, unlike Shadowplay.
@tmr3: Good points, so I guess I can't use shadoplay as a selling point. But I love using ANSEL in games like The Witcher 3. I wish AMD would make an equivalent. But it needs cooperation with the game devs, as it's built in to certain games.
You're missing a pretty critical one IMO, nvidia reflex.
Reflex does nothing if you simply limit the frame rate slightly so it doesn't quite max out.
Shadowplay is roughly equiv to ReLive and how many people are recording gameplay…
Ansel, a photo mode? Is this really a selling point?
@zonfierre: You've got me there actually. Even marginally it is an advantage. I do wonder why AMD can't implement something similar though tbh.
It's been proven time and time again that it isn't. AMD has been unstable this series and last series
Agree! 7900 XTX should be at last another $200-$300 cheaper and the rest of the GPU's on the market should be at lower price points. 3080's are still $1200-$1400, that is a joke. We should be seeing the top 3080 brands sitting around $1000.
I recall Hardware Unboxed doing a survey on this, I think most were prepared to pay about 10% more for nVidia with equivalent performance for all those reasons you’ve listed.
You're a sucker if you're buying either, frankly.
That's actually pretty good. I wish these worked well for VR.
I prefer less terrible
Way over pre covid pricingI prefer less terrible
Yeah that's much more accurate
I prefer more better
Glass half full vs glass half hodl
They dont work well for VR? I'm curious as I'm using 6000 series for VR and it's great.
There are apparently major issues in VR just for the 7000 series. Understandably it's not high on AMD's priority list right now considering VR is a niche, but I'm sure it'll be worked out given time.
Thanks for the reply :)
be mindful what you using with VR, if you using virtual desktop, it needs specific AMD driver version to work the best.
I never realised how important compatibility is until recently start doing VR, 3D printing ( 3D scanning software involved), that Nvidia is just way superior than AMD. sure the Vram is nice, but just plan out ahead.
I want to support AMD but I won’t until prices go cheaper than this. My RTX 3080 stays.
i think your ok until next gen or even after that.. lol no need to give either of them any money any time soon
I have an HTPC with a 1080 in it hooked up to my TV, still plays everything nicely in 1080p and less demanding games ok in 4k (e.g. Lego games my kids like run fine in 4k).
Prices have gone up a lot more than performance has in the last 5+ years.
This card is 7x more powerful than your 1080. They've gotten a lot more powerful than you seem to think.
@tp0: I don't need 7x more power if I can already play games in very high at a decent frame rate/1080p on my TV, though.
I have a better card (5700xt) in my main gaming PC, just pointing out that you can actually get by perfectly well on a 4 generation old card.
@caitsith01: Yep agree there, until they stop supporting the device via driver updates which then means newer games are hit n miss if they work, then most the cards from the last few gen's can play the games at decent res/fps…
@tp0: Where the hell did you get the 7x more powerful from? Even the 4090 is only just about 3.5x a 1080. The 4 way SLI 1080 is still unbeaten by even the 4090 in one of 3d mark's benchmarks.
Not bad considering you also get a copy of Last of Us for PC
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-bundle-the-last-of-us-par…
about time they dropped too
Waiting for a good deal for the 3060 ti. Hopefully for Easter
What's a good deal in your opinion? $300? $500?
between 450 - 550 for an ASUS chip
There was this a little while back: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/758993
Not ASUS but Gigabyte is honestly fine too.
7900 XT does the job just fine, undervolts and overclocks well - uses less power and runs cooler. No vapor chamber issues as found in the xtx.
Suspect it will drop further from its 1299 low
Great price if I were looking to buy one rn I'd pull the trigger on this. I have a 7900XTX RD and the only thing I wish was that I could have pushed it further with the PD so considering the limitations on PD the Hellhound is a great option for the average gamer looking to get into the high end.
Guessing $2000 price tag is a bit much, both AMD and Nvidia.
Laughing thinking about how I was stressed out and depressed forking out $1130 for my 3080gtx a few years ago on day 1. Had never bought a premium card before
ID SAVE $ AND GET THE 4070TI (SAME ENCODER/DECODER AS 4080/4090)
https://tech4gamers.com/rtx-4070-ti-vs-rx-7900-xtx/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtZXb5UpqGo
deals of 6700xt please
And it’s still about $25 more expensive than the US launch price +10% for GST.
Wake me up when there are some actual bargains, this is just the least-worst ripoff so far!
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Finally they realized the sales cannot go well with the pumped RRP…