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            • @MKBHD: You defined a women in terms of your own gender but opposite.

              I thought we had moved on from the biblical idea of defining a women in terms of a man. Ie. women coming about via a man’s rib.

              It’s misogyny.

    • +77

      A 40 year old man chucking on a wig one day is not a women, the fact that we are even debating this shows how badly we have been swayed by news organisations pushing BS into society, I'm not seeing the link between thinking a man with a wig and fake boobs is "right wing", shows how brainwashed the left has become, it's now just now a tool for the media

      • +26

        For what it’s worth, I don’t think him and his sorts are leftists.
        Most of us grew up as leftists, libertarians.

        These lot here are radicals, I don’t know who injected them with what but they aren’t the classic left that the majority of us grew up as.

        • +3

          We have the "woke mind virus" as Desantis likes to say. But have you heard him define woke in court? You'd love it.

          • -1

            @MKBHD: You're just as bad or worse if you support that Muppet

            • +2

              @TEER3X: Desantis is 10 times worse than Trump and if he gets in as a president, I am sure he will do 100 times more damage than Trump did. We shall see.

              • @MKBHD: Trump did damage? Lol

                Under Biden.. inflation through the roof.. on the edge of nuclear war … Financial system in meltdown … Energy prices through the roof…

                Under Trump the world was more at peace and we all lived better. Trump cannot get back in office soon enough…

                • +2

                  @hippyhippy: Inflation in the entire world is caused by Biden???? Its because of corporate greed look at independent reports on that bro. Russia is invading Ukraine because of Biden? Biden gave more fossil fuel permits on federal land than any sitting president ever and you blame energy price gouging on Biden? Trump killed Irani AlBaghdadi with a drone strike which almost sent us into nuclear war.

                  What else are you gonna blame on Biden? Tell me

                • +4

                  @hippyhippy: Yeah yeah, but what about the mEaN tWeEts 🥴🥴

                • +3

                  @hippyhippy: Biden didn’t cause COVID or invade Ukraine.

              • +3

                @MKBHD:

                I am sure he will do 100 times more damage than Trump did

                What damage do you think he did? Please be specific.
                Was it the improved economy? Lower costs of living? The reduced unemployment? The stronger borders? The reduction of US military in foreign conflict?

                Help me out here, because they all sound like good things.

      • +1

        sure its not just right wingers that dont understand gender identity its old and simple people too.

        • +13

          Gender identity is made up trash … A man believing he's a woman is the same as a man believing he's a helicopter.

          • +2

            @hippyhippy: So if a man wants to dress up like a woman and live a life in a feminine style, what do you think is going on there?

            • +15

              @MKBHD: Simply… He's a man that like to dress up as a woman and live a feminine lifestyle…

              He's still a man.

              • +4

                @hippyhippy: But why would be want to? I am a man. I don't want to. I want to present to the world I am the dominant gender, show my nipples on Instagram and not get banned, I want to say to the world I am a man. I am sure 99% of men want this too. Why do you think that particular person doesn't want what most men want?

                • +5

                  @MKBHD: Not everyone is a beta male like yourself…

                • +6

                  @MKBHD:

                  Why do you think that particular person doesn't want what most men want?

                  Same reason some people like to have sex with kids. Mental problems…

                  Ultimately this issue boils down to objective reality vs subjective reality. And if your subjective reality doesn't negatively impact others then fill your boots. But if your subjective reality requires me to participate in the illusion then you are going to be disappointed.

            • +5

              @MKBHD: Most troubling thing about your question is that it is being asked by presumably an adult.

              No one cares if someone likes to cross dress. Don’t involve the wider society which includes me and my family into your kink and don’t expect me to lower my standards to keep up with your <insert degeneracy type here>.

              Also ironic that woke religion has unlimited genders but all of them dress like either males or females.

              • +4

                @dBagDealer: Pretty strange how you distort gender identity into being some sort of sexual kink.

              • +1

                @dBagDealer: Define woke

                • +1

                  @MKBHD:

                  Define woke

                  Woke is an ideology that stems from the Marxist view of class struggle. It was recycled by Feminists in the 90's as part of the third-wave feminist movement and Intersectionalism, then co-opted by intersectional black women in the 2000's who saw its potential as a wedge device to get special privileges for themselves.
                  It is based on the idea that some classes of people are oppressed based purely on sex/race/sexuality, and that the only solution to this to apply policy that discriminate on sex/race/sexuality. It is the exact same identity politics that Hitler used (ie all Aryans good, all Jews bad.) Woke: all black people oppressed, all white people oppressors etc.
                  It is both an intellectually and morally bankrupt idea since it refuse to acknowledge that we are all individuals and should be treated as such.

                  • @1st-Amendment: So you think there is no systemic injustice and no marginalised groups in America? That everyone needs to be on their own and treated as such?

                    • +3

                      @MKBHD:

                      So you think…

                      What an odd response. You asked for a definition of Woke and I gave you one. Before we change the subject, do you agree with the definition I gave?

                      there is no systemic injustice

                      Let's assume that there is, do you think that the solution to 'systemic injustice' (whatever that means) is more 'systemic injustice'?

                      That everyone needs to be on their own and treated as such?

                      Equal under the law yes. Anything else is the actual definition of systemic discrimination.

                      • @1st-Amendment: No don't think whites are all bad and blacks are all opressed, so I don't agree on your definition which is one type of definition of thousands of variations the right wing believes it is.

                        I also think identity politics is mostly played by right wing so that part of your comment is fairly accurate, only they are obsessed with whatever woke is however they define it. Nikki Haley is asked what makes you different to trump policies? She says I am black, I am young, and a woman. Hahaha.

                        Finally let me enlighten you about the "law" part you seem to get diluted about. Imagine there is a town with 90% of black folks who work at a mine site from 6 AM to 6 PM. Now imagine the town restricts early voting, it bans mail in ballots, it restricts the hours of voting to only between 8 AM to 4 PM and obviously its not a public holiday. What do you think the voter turn out would be? Its not unlawful to do that, the law applies to everyone in that town. But who is systemically being opressed? And who does better when voter turnout is low?

                        • +2

                          @MKBHD:

                          No don't think whites are all bad and blacks are all opressed

                          But that is precisely what woke is about. So you are anti-woke just like most normal people.

                          I also think identity politics is mostly played by right wing

                          Lol only if you have no idea of what identity politics is…The core principal of 'right wing' is the individual over the group, the opposite of identity politics. If you don't agree with identity politics, then you are anti-woke, just like most normal people

                          Imagine there is…

                          This is the problem with woke idiots, there entire ideology is based on imaginary scenarios that don't actually exist.

                          How about we use a real world scenario?

                          'Affirmative Action' are policies that discriminate based on race. ie the very definition of racism.
                          So LeBron James's kid gets a leg up simply for being black, while some poor White or Asian or Hispanic kid could have better SAT scores, but misses out on a spot at a good University simply for being the wrong colour. Is this your idea of 'justice'?

                          Do you think LeBron James's children should receive benefits over other children simply for being Black?

                          • @1st-Amendment:

                            1. At this point I would ask you to define "most normal people" but I am not going to.

                            2. That is what YOU think woke is about. And I don't agree with that.

                            3. Individual over groups is another reason why I am not a ring winger. Because I like to look at the situation and not go "you're on your own". Where is the right wing family value in that if we do not have a sense of being together?

                            4. If a black kid has "similar" SAT scores to an asian kid and if the quota and guidelines suggest in that situation the black kid is preferred in order to encourage equal participation and diverse representation in a group where no other black kids have historically been able to get in or there is a less than 2 percent of such representation, than I am all for it. If it is solely based on identity and no other metrics are considered, then I may not be so positive about it. And I knew you would point out my "imagine" scenario becuase that's what the right does. Instead of analysing the point which by the way if you look there are hundreds of laws being written to opress groups in the US like my scenario, you would probably want to think rationally and really open your eyes. But no, lets obsess on a word and debate on that so I can look like I have made a point.

                            • +1

                              @MKBHD:

                              That is what YOU think woke is about. And I don't agree with that.

                              Nope that's precisely what it IS about. A policy that discriminates on race is racist by definition.
                              But feel free to give us your definition and let's see which one matches closest with reality.

                              If a…

                              Once again you are back to imaginary territory…

                              in order to encourage equal participation and diverse representation

                              Representation based on skin colour? So actual racism then? What if a person who has the same skin colour as me has different beliefs than me, can I ask for them to be swapped out?
                              Does this apply equally? Do we need more White representation in the NBA? How is this managed? Does every team need to have the exact makeup of their local areas demographic ? So say when a bunch of Mexican's move into the area, a player gets dropped and Mexican has to be added? This is your vision of social justice?
                              Do you choose your Doctor based on their skin colour? Equal representation and that…

                              If it is solely based on identity and no other metrics are considered, then I may not be so positive about it

                              It is precisely about that. Some Universities have now implemented Black only study spaces and Black only graduation ceremonies. It is literally Apartheid.
                              Australia is heading down the same path with the indigenous voice. It will be a Constitutional amendment that gives privilege based purely on race.

                              I knew you would point out my "imagine" scenario becuase that's what the right does

                              That's what people with a brain do.
                              Imaginary scenarios invented in your head carry no weight in a rational argument.

                              if you look there are hundreds of laws being written to opress groups in the US

                              Well it will be easy for you to give us some, yet you suspiciously can't name a single one. Please provide examples here for review:

                              you would probably want to think rationally

                              Lol. You might might to look up what that word means…

                              lets obsess on a word and debate on that

                              You were the one that asked for the definition of a word. Do you even read what you write before sending?

                              • @1st-Amendment: I am not obsessed with wokism, the right is. With a million different definitions too, I must add.

                                And if someone pretends or genuinely has no clue of the systemic oppression and wants me to send examples, there you go - another issue with ring wing how out of touch with reality they are. But you have already described that you do know what opression is with regards to the indigenous voice in Oz and how we are trying to be more inclusive. You just don't like the idea of it. Class right winger.

                                Lastly if you don't like equal representation, fine. I do. Biden said he would choose a black woman for Supreme Court if he became the president, and he did. Mind you that person is more competent than many judges in the court including ones chosen by Trump. If he wanted a black and a woman representation in Supreme Court because it has not been represented with such an identity before while still choosing someone equally competent if not more, so be it. I am ok with that. I also don't have private insurance and enjoy bulk billing and do not really have choices with doctors. I generally look up who bulk bills in my area and if they are available when I need them. A doctor is a doctor for me, if I don't like their opinion I seek a second opinion. If there is a representation of less than 1% of black doctors and if the govt. brings forward policies to have more black doctors, I don't mind that. A doctor is a doctor if they pass the education system.

                                • +2

                                  @MKBHD:

                                  I am not obsessed with wokism…

                                  You are here defending it…

                                  genuinely has no clue of the systemic oppression and wants me to send examples, there you go

                                  This is what passes for a rational argument in your head?
                                  I asked for examples yet you can't provide a single one. It sounds like the invisible dragon you are chasing might not actually exist…

                                  Lastly if you don't like equal representation, fine. I do

                                  In the NBA? Every sports team should have the exact mix of height/weight/race/sex/sexuality as the local population, this is the great idea you are promoting? And the same at your local Mechanic? Every garage needs to equal representation… Sorry Mack, we already have lots of tall people so we're replacing you with a short person in the name of 'equal representation'…
                                  Can you not see how crazy this sounds?

                                  If he wanted a black and a woman representation

                                  So he chooses based on race an sex, the very definition of racist and sexism. So we agree that Woke = racist and sexist.

                                  A doctor is a doctor for me,

                                  You can't have it both ways, either a doctor is doctor (normal thinking), or the skin colour of the Doctor matters to you (racist thinking). Pick a lane.

                                  A doctor is a doctor for me too, but the woke would have us believe Black people are so dumb and lazy that they can't possibly become Doctors unless they are given outside help. This is the crazy racist ideology that you are buying into.

                                  if the govt. brings forward policies to have more black doctors, I don't mind that.

                                  So you are racist, as I said. Woke = racist since it values a person on their skin colour.

                                  A doctor is a doctor if they pass the education system.

                                  That's right so why do we need to implement racist policies?
                                  Under the woke ideology, if large numbers of Indians qualify as doctors, would we then block Indian doctors and allocate more spaces to Chinese doctors for 'equal representation'? What about Brazilian doctors? Where does this end? An entire scheme devoted to hiring and firing doctors to ensure the racial mix is always 'equal'? Do we then apply that to height and weight? Got to have 'equal representation'…
                                  Why does race matter to you unless you are racist? If there more Indian doctors than Chinese doctors or vice versa why does that matter?

                                  Here's an idea, create a test for doctors, and let anyone who passes that test become a doctor. Oh wait, we already have that.
                                  But Woke retards want to change what already works so that certain people based purely on skin colour get a free ride, and can't see that more racism is only going to make things worse.

                                  This is the logical error in the woke mindset thinking. Either people who are qualified get to do the job, OR you select based on race (actual racism).

                                  This becomes quite obvious using the NBA example which you conveniently avoided. Black people in the NBA are over-represented so according to your crazy logic, more Whites, Asians, and Mexicans should be given spots in teams to equal out the representation?

                                  • @1st-Amendment: You are bringing nationalities into "equal representation" argument and I don't understand how that's the same thing. Do you know what the ratio of blacks are in the US? And if no black people are becoming doctors, do you acknowledge that that's probably a problem because of the ratio of black people vs others who are all American citizens by the way. This is clearly where you and I divide, I like such diverse representation and inclusion, you don't. I also like similar opportunities given to women if they are historically marginalised. I saw your another comment where you fail so see how Biden has not touched Trump's border policy, its still the same and in fact you believe the borders were more secure under Trump. I won't give you examples of what you can easily find on Google which a simple search about real issues that you obviously fail to see or acknowledge. Finally I am not into sports at all so I can't argue with NBA thing but I am sure the short guys are in the minority there due to the nature of the game but come on - it's sports, it's a game and poeple win plastic trophies and that's about it. I neither have any understanding of how that's fun (as a non sporty guy) and I am not sure it is as bad as politics or people representing a large population affecting the larger population where an equal representation and diversity is preferred, right? Isn't that why there are senetors from different parts of the country and not someone from New York run representing California or Alabama?

                                    • +3

                                      @MKBHD:

                                      You are bringing nationalities into "equal representation" argument

                                      Well that is what 'equal representation' means, every group of any description gets represented equally. Or is your version of 'equal representation' only allowed to apply to privileged groups which you deem worthy (ie the opposite of exact 'equal representation', that would be 'specific privilege')?

                                      And if no black people are becoming doctors, do you acknowledge that that's probably a problem

                                      Nope. Because once again you are making another logic error. Disparity does not mean discrimination. Just like how very few white NBA players is not a problem. Or not many men are teachers or nurses, or not many women work in coal mines, different people choose to do different things, so in a free society there will always be different amounts of people doing different things. Disparity does not mean discrimination. Learn this lesson.

                                      Unless you can provide examples of anyone being prevented from being a doctor, which you can't, then your invisible dragon is imaginary…

                                      And I just looked it up, there's about 50,000 Black doctors in the US. How did all they become doctors under your crazy woke racist idea that ALL black people are 'oppressed'? Do you know who Dr Ben Carson is?

                                      I like such diverse representation and inclusion

                                      But you don't really, since you just said that your 'diversity' doesn't apply to Indians or Chinese doctors. You want to pick and choose who the victim groups are by race. ie racism, just like every other woke idiot. And you want to elevate and oppress everyone based on their race simply to satisfy some imaginary version of justice Removed personal attack. Woke = Racism it's that simple.

                                      I won't give you examples

                                      Because you can't. It's that simple.

                                      The woke ideology is a based entirely on imaginary dragons being used as justification for racism.
                                      This is why so many people are anti-woke, because we don't support your brand of racism.

                                      • @1st-Amendment: I am done with all your name calling so I am going to end here. We could have had more conversations but you probably don't want a pea brained school you so all good.

                                        • +1

                                          @MKBHD:

                                          We could have had more conversations but…

                                          …but you couldn't find a single example to support your crazy racist ideas so you ran and hid like they always do…

                                            • @MKBHD:

                                              https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=systemic+racism+in+the+us

                                              Lol so simply being able to google a phrase makes it true to you?

                                              https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=woke+is+cancer

                                              Uh-oh… you're in trouble now…

                                              I think the point is proven here, your racist ideology is all your head based on lies you heard on the internet. And when asked you can't come up with a single example to support it…

                                              • @1st-Amendment: You have already come up with an example. You agree Australia is trying to uplift the indigenous community. You just don't like the idea of it. What other examples do you want when you are clearly not willing to acknowledge a basic fact that there still is oppression among the community that used to be tamed as slaves.

                                                The google search I provided has papers from Stanford. Yours has results from Vivek Ramaswaami in the first page hahaha

                                                • +1

                                                  @MKBHD:

                                                  You have already come up with an example. You agree Australia is trying to uplift the indigenous community.

                                                  Nope, try again….

                                                  The google search I provided has papers from Stanford.

                                                  You do realise that Google search tailors results so different people will see different things?

                                                  Try linking directly to the content if you know how to do that… of don't as you keep doing. You've had 20 goes at this, why would I expect that you have any idea about how anything works…

                                                  Are you a child because I feel like I'm explaining this to a child…

                                                • +1

                                                  @MKBHD: I see you ran away and hid again, so I'll leave with the key point you failed at so you can work on for next time:

                                                  What other examples do you want

                                                  Just one would be a good start. Preferably one of those " hundreds of laws being written to opress groups in the US" you claim exist but are so far yet to provide a single example of.

                                                  • @1st-Amendment: https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106041

                                                    Workplaces discriminate against people of color, especially women. While white women earn about 79 cents for every white man’s dollar, Black women earn 63 cents while Hispanic/Latina women earn 58 cents. Black men earn about 71 cents per dollar. According to a Citi report, the Black pay gap alone equals about $2.7 trillion. All that lost income leads to higher rates of poverty within non-white communities. According to census data from 2019, Black and Hispanic Americans were over-represented in poverty compared to their representation in the overall population.

                                                    Mind you this data is from an official govt. website and is for similar jobs and workplaces, they are not comparing CEOs vs Carpenters.

                                                    Also, I will not be responding to you anymore as you have called me with various names, and you clearly do not know how to engage in a civil conversation. Good luck.

                                                    • @MKBHD:

                                                      https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106041

                                                      Wow you finally got there. I'm so proud of you.

                                                      Now that you've presented some actual data I can now debunk it for you.

                                                      The pay gap was an argument raised back in the 70's and 80's and was debunked way back then, but lefties can't seem to work it out so still use the same old debunked arguments 40 years later. Imagine being so retarded that your argument is one that got debunked 40 years ago.

                                                      Different people get paid different amounts because they do different work and work different hours (who knew!). Or do you think LeBron James getting paid more than you is racism? Because that is how silly this argument is.

                                                      Here is Professor Thomas Sowell explaining it in 1980: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_pQ7KXv0o0

                                                      • @1st-Amendment: How many LeBron are in the World? You are telling me I am complaining because not all singers are net worth of Rihanna or have Taylor Swift salary? Your whole argument is based on anecdotal figure hahaha. The argument of the above study from the official US govt website is for example on average a black receptionist is paid less than a white receptionist in a similar setting or industry or hours or whatever you wanna call it. Sorry if it's too hard concept to grasp I know data driven facts are not for everyone in this decade.

                                                        • @MKBHD:

                                                          You are telling me I am complaining because not all singers are net worth of Rihanna or have Taylor Swift salary?

                                                          Yes that is exactly what you are doing. When you only look at averages (ie the data you provided) you are not comparing skill levels, work experience, hours worked and all the other variables that go into income. It's a rookie error, and it's why lefties are laughed at when they spit out the pay gap myth. It's basic high school maths and you've failed it.

                                                          Professor Sowell explained it all in the video and has written a book with all the supporting data if you care to read it here: https://www.amazon.com.au/Discrimination-Disparities-Thomas-…

                                                          Your whole argument is based on anecdotal figure hahaha

                                                          You provided the data, I merely explained how you misunderstood it. You've misunderstood how averages work and it's embarrassing…

                                                          My argument is for example on average a black receptionist is paid less than a white receptionist

                                                          Nope, you link says that "Overall, women earned about $.82 for every dollar men earned; Hispanic or Latina women earned about $.58 and Black women earned about $.63 for every dollar White men earned" . Well guess what, Men work longer hours and generally choose jobs that pay more which is why they get more OVERALL. <— the key word that you missed.

                                                          So you error is that you don't understand averages nor did you watch the video I provided which explains it all.

                                                          The Equal Pay Act was passed into law in 1972 (51 years ago!). If someone is being paid differently they can sue and make millions, why have none of these imaginary Black receptionists done this?

                                                          Sorry if it's too hard concept to grasp I know data driven facts

                                                          Lol, you have no idea what facts are. You crazy racist ideology exists in your head.

                                                          • @1st-Amendment:

                                                            Well guess what

                                                            Sure.

                                                            • @MKBHD:

                                                              Sure.

                                                              Cool. So to summarise this discussion, your crazy racist ideology exists only in your head and the only 'evidence' presented so far was the pay gap myth that was debunked 40 years ago, but is still pushed today by ignorant lefties who can't grasp high school level maths.

                                                              Roger that.

                                                              • @1st-Amendment: Sure, I'll keep "guessing" your "imaginary scenario" you kept pulling me for for saying "imagine" and your guess is white men do the hardest highest paying jobs and longest hours followed by black men followed by white women followed by black women, roger that. 😹

                                                                "Who can't grasp high school level maths" yet all the main and more educated cities of literally red states like Dallas, Austin, Houston in Texas or Florida all vote the leftists because "guess what (again guessing)" the maths is so hard hahaha roger that mate roger that. What are you gonna blame next, let me "guess" the department of education? 😹

                                                                • @MKBHD:

                                                                  and your guess is white men do the hardest highest paying jobs and…

                                                                  I didn't guess at it, I provided you the exact data that shows it. You are obviously to ignorant or lazy to read it… and prefer to just believe whatever debunked bad maths supports your existing beliefs.

                                                                  yet all the main and more educated cities

                                                                  More bad maths. At least you're consistent with your ignorance…

                                                                  Have you managed to find any examples of "there are hundreds of laws being written to opress groups in the US"?

                                                                  …tumbleweeds…

                                                                  • @1st-Amendment: How is educated cities voting blue bad maths? Spitting out anything hahaha

                                                                    • @MKBHD:

                                                                      How is educated cities voting blue bad maths?

                                                                      Lots of reasons that are all clearly lost on you since you've already demonstrated you are too ignorant to know how averages work. The most obvious is the you are assuming that every voter also understands basic maths. Feel free to show evidence to support this, I won't hold my breath since you have shown multiple times that you have no idea how evidence works….

                                                                      Now back to the points you keep avoiding:

                                                                      1. Your only supporting data so far is was debunked 40 years ago.
                                                                      2. You continuously avoid providing any evidence of "there are hundreds of laws being written to opress groups in the US"

                                                                      So your crazy racist ideology exists only in your head and the only 'evidence' presented so far was the pay gap myth that was debunked 40 years ago.

                                                                      • @1st-Amendment: So the modern education is to blame for this stupidity you claim, roger that.

                                                                        "Guess what men do longer hours" got it your guess is white men do the longest that's why they make the most followed by………..

        • As a left-winger, what's your definition of a woman then?

    • +16

      This place is full of Trumpanzees, as you're discovering

      • +13

        Oz is no different to the US when it comes to public stupidity. It just hasn't found its way into politics "yet" but I am sure it will happen gradually

        • +6

          Murdoch is banking on it.

        • +10

          You mean the public stupidity of pretending that you believe that a man is actually a woman because he's wearing a dress and talking like a female impersonator?

        • +10

          I've been pleasantly surprised by how poorly US style cooker politics have fared in Australian elections. That said, you're right - not a guarantee that it will be like this forever. Just got to hope Australians are sensible enough to keep warding off this Yankee culture war drivel for long enough that the ROI on peddling it just doesn't work out anymore.

          • +2

            @poppingtags: Fortunately we have compulsory voting so cookers will never get elected here. The sensible majority won't go for it.

            • +2

              @N11: Your comment is so underrated. When US has a high voter turnout, democtats do better too. That's why the right wants to ban mail in ballots, early voting, longer voting hours, even restrict providing water and encourage longer lines at the booths, never mind a public holiday.

      • This place is full of Trumpanzees, as you're discovering

        One thing I noticed is that all the people that criticise Trump can never actually say what is that was so terrible.
        The emotionally fragile people lost their shit at his mean tweets, but policy wise he improved the economy, reduced unemployment strengthened the borders and reduced US involvement in military conflict.

        Could you explain what is that was so terrible about any of that?

        • +3

          Orange man bad…

      • +3

        orange man bad!!!
        senile war monger good!!!

    • +4

      " Oh well better bury my head in the sand and not pay attention to something that differs from what I think "

    • +3

      Did you watch the documentary?

    • +2

      The future is bright only if it's right

    • +1

      SUCCIPTABLE OMG IM DYIN HERE

  • +60

    i've watched this, actually enjoyable and some of it leaves you speechless (from the interviewees actions).

    • +5

      Did you find the definition of a woman now that you've watched it?

      • +65

        Yeah, at the very end. An adult female human.

        • +4

          No that we have the elusive definition out of the way.
          Typical woke response: cue whataboutism of exceptions

      • +21

        Ask your parents, grandparents, great grandparents what a women is, ask a 3 year old, grow up and hit reality, people like you are guaranteeing the world is going to be nearly doomed for the next 100 years

        • +31

          My parents and grandparents think being gay is a mental illness. They were born in a different era. And what the US is doomed of is lack of universal healthcare and number 1 reason for kids dying due to gun voilence. Woman's definition will not save humanity, it will only rile up the right wing base

          • +18

            @MKBHD: Be clear though - LGB is about sexual preference. TQ+ is about gender identity. Different. Interesting that TQ+ has effectively sequestered the LGB movement. Anyway hopefully food for thought.

            The need to define a woman, in America, shows the pathetic state of America. Problem is… It's pervaded Australian politics. None of our government departments dare define a woman. WTH! I do think that's something we need to address.

            • +3

              @OrderedChaos: It was pathetic watching when the TGA/AHPRA was questioned about defining what a woman is. They're so deeply involved in all of this having big pharma lining their pockets, the largest percentage of pharmaceutical funding in the world by the way. All of this on top of all the media censoring the government is involved in regarding this topic too. There's big money to be had for pharma for every child they try to transition.

          • +2

            @MKBHD: For black kids it is. So much so it skews for all kids.

            https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-…

            • +1

              @Ozbargainite: Your article is behind a paywall but I completely agree on what you mean, its actually a disgrace how pathetic the US has become on certain issues.

          • +2

            @MKBHD: Nope - the #1 cause of death to kids in the USA is abortion.

            • -1

              @Almost Banned: If you consider featus a kid I have nothing but thoughts and prayers for you.

              • @MKBHD: Ever listened to a fetal heart beat or felt foetus kicks ?

                • +1

                  @SuperLate: Yes I have a kid. And I am even bigger advocate of abortion now. It's hard to raise a kid. If I was not ready for a child, and if I was prevented of abortion and forced to have the baby, I would not have been provide the love and care they deserve. They would grow up unattended, neglected, poor hygiene, I could go on, ultimately leading to a potential bad person at teen age or adult - people with bad childhood often go ahead to be criminals and bad for the society. Is that the society we want to live in?

                  • @MKBHD: Nothing you wrote makes it okay to kill a baby.

                    You don't kill a person because the person has the potential to be bad. Even a baby born into a rich family can turn out to be bad. You're just using an excuse for murder.

                    Every parent I know finds it hard to raise a kid.

                    • +1

                      @gto21: It's not that hard for me but ok. Also that is where we differer, I don't consider a featus a baby. On another point, wen you outright ban abortion and have criminal penalties for doctors, they won't do an abortion even if the life of mother or baby is at risk. There are plenty horror stories from Texas on YouTube.

                      • @MKBHD: I'm using the words like "baby" and "potential to be bad" because you're using them.

                        "Fetus" comes from Latin, which means offspring.

        • +3

          Wait, we can do that?

          brb buying a slave because apparently if people believed it was ok in the past that makes it ok today

  • +22

    Haha, it's 2023 and we need a documentary for such a complicated topic rolls eyes

    Wonder how they coped not knowing back in the 1500s

    • +5

      They didn't have social media

    • +28

      That's kinda the point of the film. You should watch it.
      The reality is that until just a couple years ago EVERYONE knew what a woman was and it was not the least bit controversial.
      People understood that some men liked to dress up like women - but that didn't actually MAKE them women.
      Now many people and corporations are insisting that men are also women - which kinda destroys the category.

      • +3

        "film" what a joke.

      • +11

        Now many people and corporations are insisting that men are also women - which kinda destroys the category.

        Let's not be ridiculous.

        For the vast majority, i.e. 99.9%+ of people, this is absolutely clear and all of the regular "indicators" of being a man or a woman are clear.

        For the remaining 0.1%, it's more complicated for whatever reason - e.g. some people can have XXY chromosomes, some people can be assigned the wrong sex at birth, for some people, their brain is just "wired for the other gender", or whatever the case is. In those situations, you deal with them on a case-by-case basis.

        The funny thing is, this is not even unique to genders. For any categorisation, there are going to be instances of things that fall on the edge. E.g., what is a table? I'm sure that there exists some "tables" out there that don't look like regular tables, don't function like regular tables, but are sold and marketed as "tables". Does that bother you?

        The reality is that until just a couple years ago EVERYONE knew what a woman was and it was not the least bit controversial.

        It's still not controversial today. Go and sit outside on a park bench and try to guess whether each person walking past is a woman or not. I guarantee you that if you sit there for a day, chances are you will guess everyone correctly, and so will everyone who does this. It's not controversial in the slightest.

        People understood that some men liked to dress up like women - but that didn't actually MAKE them women. Now many people and corporations are insisting that men are also women - which kinda destroys the category.

        But how much of this is just word games and semantics? You can think whatever you want in your head, "woman", "transwoman", "man who wants to be a woman" - does it actually matter? Nobody is forcing you to "destroy" your preconceived notion of the world.

        Just treat people with respect and kindness, and don't get involved in their personal lives. If someone was born and man, and wants to be a woman, who the bloody fcuk cares? Don't you have more important things to worry about like your own life / goals / dreams / aspirations? If you don't, you need to get a life.

        • +8

          Isn't it funny how people like you insist that its no big deal and that no-one should care - but at the exact same time insist that everyone should spend a whole month celebrating these exact same people for the life-choices they have made?
          You say that no-one cares? But at exactly the same time we see almost every major corporation in the west lining up to pay money to the organisations that are promoting these ideas, and putting the flags of sexual proclivities on their websites, buildings, and products.
          You see companies giving paid sponsorships to people to play act at being the opposite sex - which is denying people of that actual sex the opportunity to be that spokesperson.
          And then you say that pretending that a man is a woman is not destroying my preconceived notion of the world???
          My notion of the world just happens to reside in fact, not fantasy. If truth and reality and not important to you, then I can't help you.

          • +12

            @Almost Banned:

            people like you

            What do you mean by "people like me"? I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone else, I'm just speaking on behalf of myself and what I believe and responding directly to your comments, which I assume reflects what you believe.

            but at the exact same time insist that everyone should spend a whole month celebrating these exact same people for the life-choices they have made?

            Where have I ever insisted that we should spend a month celebrating whatever? I don't know why you're ascribing things to me that I've never said or advocated for.

            You say that no-one cares? But at exactly the same time we see almost every major corporation in the west lining up to pay money to the organisations that are promoting these ideas, and putting the flags of sexual proclivities on their websites, buildings, and products.

            People can do whatever they want, and so can you. That's called freedom.

            You see companies giving paid sponsorships to people to play act at being the opposite sex - which is denying people of that actual sex the opportunity to be that spokesperson.

            Again, who cares? I really don't care who is the corporate spokesperson for some company. Why do you?

            And then you say that pretending that a man is a woman is not destroying my preconceived notion of the world???

            People "pretend" things every day. There are poor people pretending to be rich, dumb people pretending to be smart, boring people pretending to be interesting, people who like spaghetti pretending to like pizza…etc.

            Nobody is forcing you to participate in anything.

            My notion of the world just happens to reside in fact, not fantasy. If truth and reality and not important to you, then I can't help you.

            Okay, so what do you actually propose we do exactly? That we enact laws which ban people from "pretending" to be the other gender? Or that we lock up men who want to dress like women?

            Let's say you have a man who wants to pretend to be a woman. What do you suggest we do as society?

            • +5

              @p1 ama: The problem is when people pretending to be other than they are insist that the broader society cooperated in their delusion. If a person who is penniless thinks they're rich, it's all good. If they turn up at your home and ask you to leave on the basis that they bought it with their pretend money…now, that's a problem. Trans women create such a problem in sports…their delusion manifestly harms the interests of biological females. Apart from sports, the only other real issue is being forced into using pronouns… everything else is sound and fury.

              • +10

                @amiafish:

                Trans women create such a problem in sports…their delusion manifestly harms the interests of biological females.

                Sure, but the issues in sports are few and far between and will be worked through. It's never been the job of governments to regulate sporting codes.

                Apart from sports, the only other real issue is being forced into using pronouns… everything else is sound and fury.

                Can you point to where people are being "forced" into using someone's preferred pronouns?

                Again, I don't think this is an area where we (as society) should be intervening. Just think of it another way, let's say my name is Jack but I want people to call me Dave. I'm sure most people will, there will be some people (for whatever reason) who will continue to call me Jack. It seems like an odd thing to do, but that's just people being people.

                The issue is the over-politicisation of everything to the point where this is just some tribal bullshit. People pick a side of politics and that will then somehow just inform their every belief. Sometimes it's best just to not have a view, not care, not worry - just like how sports can be much more enjoyable as a neutral spectator who just appreciates the game.

                • +1

                  @p1 ama: I agree the issue is being used as a totem for both sides…but I wouldn't conflate that with the notion that "there's nothing to see here". Truth matters, and historically, bad things happen when society collectively subjugates truth to the "feelz". I don't think the trans issue amounts to all that much (outside of sports), but it is emblematic of a general epistemic drift away from a rationalist/empiricist modes of justification towards identity/sentimentality modes…and that is definitely a troubling thing…no?

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