Just want to hear what others might do. There's been some burglaries in my area, and that recent balaclava deal got me thinking on what I'd do if I'm a victim of a burglary.
If I was at home and burglars made their way inside, I'd yell "Give me my gun".
Am I allowed to have a machete or a metal baseball bat under my bed?
@Kangal: It's bloody easy to get a gun license. It takes minimum 1 month for it to be approved after doing your gun course. There isn't anything painful to the process. Hand guns license processer is more in depth than a rifle/shotgun.
@Kangal: It's very easy. Almost too easy. As long as you have a couple of k to pay for the licencing and firearm.
@pformag: Can I PM you?
I might be moving rural. It would be good to have the license, even if I don't have any firearms myself.
Exactly! People just seem to blindly think Australia has banned gun ownership (particularly narrative from Americans). They have only required you pass a high bar (know how to handle /shoot and are mentally stable) and banned certain types of weapons that have no reason for the general public to own.. You don't need an assault riffle to hunt wild boars or defend your family from an intruder.
@Name: We have banned gun ownership - if you own a firearm in Australia you effectively give up most of your civil liberties and that's the point. If you are "Able" to do something but forefit your rights while doing it, you don't have it.
@Name: "know how to handle /shoot and are mentally stable" not true. In WA all that is required is a written exam which is multichoice and all the answer are basic common sense.
I was never once asked if I have shot a firearm. They run a police check, and that is the extent. It's all just paying for a licence and farmers' notes say you can shoot on their farm. THis is all handle by the local gun shops.
Owning it - fairly easy.
Storing it to use quickly - not legal.
Must be in a gun safe, must be unloaded with ammo stored separately. Police do random checks to make sure your safe is compliant.
@lysp: Correct, and any good gun owner will remove the firing pins also. Firearm ownership in Australia is not for self-defence.
Yes I'd love to be like it is in America.
Accidentally make the wrong person angry and you're dead when they shoot you. Society built around fear and distrust. But hey, you can protect yourself right? Even though ironically crime rates are now higher with guns…
I think only uneducated people who don't understand the stats are gun advocates at end of day.
Jim Jeffries does a comedy routine that is the greatest takedown on gun ownership Iâve ever seen. It is absolutely hilarious and so true. Iâve travelled in America, we were there when 911 happened. I, certainly, have never wanted a gun when travelling over there. They are crazy enough without giving them an excuse to shoot you.
@ctg: well there has always been backdoor payments between USA agencies and the USA enemies.So you don't need to believe in conspiracies to see their own govt is their own worst enemy, and lawyers have brainwashed the masses via a constitution not worth the paper it was written on. The Trump govt and its supporters prove that the gangsters of Capones era were actually fallen angels compared to the poisonous toads in the republican party today
@try2bhelpful: It's a takedown, but it's preaching to the choir. Unsurprisingly if you do that routine to people who already agree with you, it will be great. It's not objective though.
'I think only uneducated people who don't understand the stats are gun advocates at end of day.'
Agree, and the Military Industrial Complex.
Lol, because that worked well so well for the yanks hey? Itâs amazing that someone could look at their example and go yeaâŠthatâs what society should look like.
How do you prove both bullets didn't came from your gun?
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Sorry I read it wrong but still, you can't cause grievous harm or kill them â it's got to be a reasonable force. if burglars don't have a gun then you can't do much.
this is why we canât have guns đ€·ââïž
The QLD police are already turning the country into a wild west show.
How so?
ABC news online ,
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-04/queensland-police-shoâŠ
police deaths by shooting data , and then the latest one since that article (again) QLD.
Maybe QLD and NSW cops will literally be having a state of origin shootout.
Those pesky body cams ….
@Protractor: Why would I care if cops are shooting crims though? Better than them being arrested, then released on bail with no punishment, only to commit more crime.
@Protractor: Pretty sure having weapons in public, and coming at cops with them, is a criminal offence.
@Protractor: "mental health issues are now criminality?"
Yes.
It does not matter if the guy trying to gut people with a knife has a tragic back-story of mental issues, the moment he attacks someone else, his life is forfeit.
Don't like it? Bring back the institutions. Community care is a farce.
@brendanm: "Here's a thing that's a thing"
"How so"
"Here's the evidence"
"Oh, I'll just ignore that and say it's irrelevant"
@GrueHunter: An ABC article is not evidence.
If someone comes at police with a weapon, they may get shot, it's not rocket surgery. Now someone who is known to carry a weapon at all times, and be loose enough to attack police, will not be attacking random members of the public.
I also didn't say anything was irrelevant, I said I don't care that it happened.
Not to sound like a psycho but if they've made the choice to break into a house for their bread, not a supermarket or a food place but a house where people are living, you have the right to stop them. It's not the time or the place for a free counseling session. You come into someone's house at night when they're sleeping then you have well and truly overstepped the mark.
Exactly the thoughts the burglar should be having:
"Is this PS5 worth more than my life?"
The PS5's worth is irrelevant. While an uninvited invader is in my house while my family sleeps, their life is worthless.
Burglar enters house, finds or wrestles gun from you, shoots you dead.
Or…. burglar enters your house, beats your unarmed body unconscious with a brick then rapes your wife and kid.
You then have to explain to them for the rest of their lives why your political aversion to guns was worth more than their life.
unless if you are a csi —-im sure they'll realise what was going on
So what you are saying is, we need to bring the death penalty back. Got it đđ»
In complete seriousness, yes.
I recently thought why we didn't get more extreme and "eye for an eye" with our punishments (e.g castrating rapists, killing murderers)
Then I remembered it would require trusting the justice system to find the actual culprit đŻ% of the time
@SpainKing: Valid argument, though it makes me wonder why these punishments aren't considered when someone was 100% found to be guilty and caught in 4k on camera committing the above offences.
Sooo, let me get this straight⊠you are going to do your stint in gaol, for a crime that you committed, you would get out and take revenge on them for protecting their house, assents and family from you doing illegal shit?
Youâre angry at the home owners because you were doing illegal shit and you got sent to gaolâŠ
Yep, makes total sense how they are at fault⊠bloody asset and family having home owners messing up criminals lives⊠shame on themâŠ
Youâre angry at the home owners because you were doing illegal shit and you got sent to gaolâŠ
To be fair, you are trying to reason with an anti-social criminal mind that operates on anything but reason.
Oh, I get that part. I work as a volunteer at school with some, âwaywardâ children⊠and this mentality it beaten into them from birth⊠âaNy OnE whO dObZ yOuSe iN iS a f#%CkiN DoG c&#t!â
These kids will go out and steal stuff out of other kids bags, damage other kids stuff, or other low level near criminal activities and then get busted, get detention, suspension or whatever punishment and then come back and beat and bully the kid that was their original victimâŠ
They fail to have enough insight to see that their actions are what caused them to earn the repercussions in the first place.
are you talking about a female or male?
Don't worry 87percent,you won't have jail to worry about if you came to my place…TRUST ME.
same applies right back at you too.
Why? Why are you angry at them? What were they supposed to do in your mind here?
Take the .22 out of the bedside draw to arm myself whilst I retrieve the shotty from above the kitchen cabinet. Then send those bastards to their maker. Whoops were in Australia. Guess Iâll just roll over and play dead
Had us in the first half not gonna lie
*we're
The chances a burglar has a gun are slim, no need for you to cosplay as Dirty Harry.
But mah small penis needs substitution!
3 iron.
BIG IRRRRROOONNNN đ”
BIG IRRRRRROOONNNNN đ”
When he tried to match the ranger with the big iron on his hip đ”
Glad you didnât choose a 1 iron.
Itâs really hard to hit a 1 iron properly.
Obviously have the 3 iron spare as I've replaced it with a hybrid đ
Give them some ham
If you break in take my HECS debt, Credit Card Statement or Mortgage Payment paperwork then you are taking over paying them.
âReasonable forceâ <â just gonna leave that there for all the people who have or will say âbeat them to deathâŠâ or âshoot themââŠ
Sounds reasonable to me.
I think it's reasonable to beat the shit out of them đ€·ââïž
So do I… Just "within reason"
What if it's their fists that punch their face?
Proportionality no longer applies in SA for home invasion
Sorry the other states cant get with it and still punish property owners for defending what's theirs. đ€·ââïž
And people accuse Queenslanders of being rednecks. Looks like SA is the true redneck state. Not surprised though, with your history of serial & mass murder.
Lol, SA has no more than any other place. It's just, when we do do it, we add a touch of flair.
You wake up to someone invading your home. You have no idea if they are armed or not, or whether or not they intend violence, or how strong they are, or how insane they are. How are you realistically going to make a split second assessment of reasonable force? I would think given the circumstances, reasonable force would extend to almost anything. A bullet to the chest or a nine iron to the skull would be reasonable in my view. Continuing to beat the sh*t out of them once unconscious is probably not reasonable.
Introduce them to my .22 rifle
Lotâs here been watching too many American movies.
Call 000.
Assuming you are not a drug dealer with $100,000 in cash lying around that one of your customers is attracted by, no burglar wants to mess with an unpredictable resident for your crappy Bauhn TV, they will leave quick smart.
If you are a criminal with $100,000 cash lying around, you need good security not the John Wick dreaming people are imagining here as they defiantly defend their Breville sandwich press from marauders.
John Wick
I know right -
Me watching YouTube self defence opponent weapon disarm tutorial. - I could totally do that IRL
Reality: dies
….. as they defiantly defend their Breville sandwich press from marauders.
lol - more likely telling the marauders to take everything but the Breville coffee machine as who knows when it will next be on sale??
So you're telling me all these widowed old ladies and other senior citizens getting their homes broken into lately are drug dealers? lol. A lot of people jumping on the break-in bandwagon lately aren't exactly planning things out to this extent.
Which people are all these?
Property crimes have halved in NSW in the last 20 years.
I'm saying your average burglar definitely does not want the resident there when they are trying to pinch a laptop, and they will go elsewhere to find an empty target.
But if you are a drug dealer or bookie with large amounts of cash at hand, you are more likely to be targeted by somebody going after that cash than a random burglar, so you need suitable security
You divide everyone into cashed up drug dealers, or sandwich press owners with crappy TVs?
A lot of "normal" people have valuable items such as jewellery, tools, and other items including expensive equipment that they might want to defend from intruders. Calling 000 doesn't mean you can't defend yourself and your property from intruders while you wait for the cops.
Have my insuance details ready.
Give burglars coffee, redbull, sugary snacks, lots of boxes and bags and open all the doors.
"Am I allowed to have a machete or a metal baseball bat under my bed?" What did mummy say?
Wannabe vigilante wants validation.
Our Maremma will hear them approaching before they get anywhere near the house. Once she starts barking the other dogs will realise something is up and I'm almost certain the 'burglars' will make a quick 180°.
Correct. Always keep a wooly flock near the house for higher success rate. đ
Or little penguins, don't forget the penguins.
I will knock them down ( self defense )
wouldn't affect me.
When I get knocked down,I get up again.
Brucet, you're never gonna get him down.
Pissing the night away…
Pissing the night away…
Release the wife.
They will never dare to come back again.
KarenKulture?
Yep
Karen Kardashian ….. the feral sister they don't talk about
She was mentioned briefly in season 6 episode 5 so that makes sense. Cheers
Get some peperspray mate
Also illegal in this country.
Unless you are in WA…
@OhmyRyzen: You think it's easy to get a gun license in the land of Oz ?
It's certainly not Texas.