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- - - - 1st-Amendment on 15/09/2023 - 07:35
        
        -2
        
        @Gehirn:
        
        Same report as the…
        
        Where are these 'reports'? You only provided one and it's fabricated anger for gullible NPC's and you bought into it hook, line, and sinker.
        
        Yet you post a blog post
        
        The blog post contains cited data from a number of reliable sources. Which datasets did you disagree with?
        
        You just twisted this quote to remove the context that its talking about corporate income tax.
        
        That was the specific point which you failed to grasp. You are the one who confused one type of tax with 'all tax'.
        
        Here let me highlight the lie "if you don’t make a profit in Australia, YOU DON'T PAY TAX IN AUSTRALIA"
        
        You can pay no corporate tax and still pay taxes. Do you understand the difference here?
        
        A large business with thousands of employees that pays zero 'corporate tax' still contributes more in overall tax revenue than mom and dad and their milkbar. Do you understand that?
        
        These people would pay taxes regardless of where they worked
        
        The entitlement generation again. Who do you think provides these jobs? Where do you think jobs come from? Do you have a job?
        
        Or are you saying…
        
        Cathy Newman is that you?
        
        Gehirn on 15/09/2023 - 10:23
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        Where are these 'reports'? You only provided one.
        
        You wants all the reports for a widely reported fact yet you only provided one for your claim. To quote you; "Yeah you got to learn to not believe everything you read on the internet."
        
        fabricated anger for gullible NPC's
        
        I see the most emotive language and parroting in your posts.
        
        Do you understand that?
        
        No, i don't understand how you think dodging one of their responsibilities as an Australian company because they have to pay something else their obligated to do. Should all large companies just pick and choose what they pay since in some area they contribute elsewhere? For someone spouting about the benefits of capitalism shouldn't Australia benefit from recieving their full due results of it?
        
        Who do you think provides these jobs? Where do you think jobs come from?
        
        One of the many companies that pay their full taxes. You seem to think these people would be jobless without exxon.
        
        1st-Amendment on 15/09/2023 - 10:52
        
        -2
        
        @Gehirn:
        
        You wants all the reports for a widely reported fact yet you only provided one for your claim.
        
        I provided actual cited data, you provided nothing but opinion. You clearly cannot differentiate between the two.
        'Widely reported' does not make something 'fact'. This is a basic logic error.
        
        I see…
        
        More opinion. Learn the difference…
        
        No, i don't understand how you think dodging one of their responsibilities as an Australian company because they have to pay something else their obligated to do.
        
        You don't understand lots of things, yet you think this is my fault?
        Every company is required to follow the law, and I've seen nothing to show that anyone is not doing this. 'Responsibility' and 'obligation' are not yours to decide, that is where you are going wrong. Simply crying that 'life's not fair' is childish, what else do you have?
        
        This discussion is about the claim that "Unfettered capitalism has been tried and failed miserably". The only evidence provided is some flaky blog post about Exxon paying zero corporate tax for one year. I explained how that was flawed since contribution_to_society can be measured in more than just income tax.
        
        This argument also doesn't demonstrate a failure of capitalism as claimed, it merely shows that the tax system may or may not need reform. This has nothing to do with the level of economic freedom.
        
        Should all large companies just pick and choose what they pay
        
        Another strawman…logic error…
        
        For someone spouting about the benefits of capitalism shouldn't Australia benefit from recieving their due results of it?
        
        We are. Australia is one of the best countries to live for quality of life, how do you think that happens? Please tell me a non-capitalist country you think is doing better so we can compare?
        
        And if you really dislike capitalism then why are you on a website that embraces and celebrates it? Bargains are only possible with capitalism. It's time to work out which team you're on.
        
        Gehirn on 15/09/2023 - 11:32
        
        +2
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        I provided actual cited data, you provided nothing but opinion. You clearly cannot differentiate between the two.
        'Widely reported' does not make something 'fact'
        
        The michael west report had actual cited data too, and you don't have to log in to a random blog to read it.
        You clearly are just being obtuse in that only what you post is true.
        Reports contain facts. Lucky it is a widely reported fact even from exxon that they didnt pay corporate income tax. 'Do the research right?'
        
        https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/exxo…
        https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/exxonmobil-paid-no-t…
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-15/exxon-mobil-will-not-…
        https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=cd22a3ee-a690-4…
        https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/appea-members-pay-no-…
        https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/mar/14/exxonmobil-…
        https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/the-poster-boy-for…
        
        More opinion. Learn the difference…
        
        I don't see your heavily referenced sources in your comments. Its all opinion. Even your linked blog post says its an opinion in the couple paragraphs that can be read.
        
        The only evidence provided is some flaky blog post.
        
        This is really funny you say that when you posted a flaky blog post you have to sign up for, and michael west is a real australian news source and is picked up by others.
        
        Australia is one of the best countries to live for quality of life. How do you think that happens?
        
        It could be better even if companies pay their full taxes.
        
        Simply crying that 'life's not fair' is childish, what else do you have?
        
        You have the most emotive posts here. Such a leap to say im crying.
        
        Please tell me a non-capitalist country you think is doing better so we can compare?
        
        Another strawman…logic error…no relevance
        
        And if you really dislike capitalism then why are you on a website that embraces and celebrates it?
        
        Another strawman…logic error… When did i say that? I'm on this website to contribute bargains something you do not.
        
        You don't understand lots of things, yet you think this is my fault?
        
        You know I have not insulted you in my comments or I believe any other users like knackers yet you keep pouring them on. You must be a very sad person, you can't even engage with a person without insults and attacks.
        
        1st-Amendment on 16/09/2023 - 11:08
        
        -2
        
        @Gehirn:
        
        and you don't have to log in to a random blog to read it.
        
        Link1: requires me to log in… I thought you said that logging in was bad? Is it good now? Which is it so I know for future?
        
        It is a widely reported fact even from exxon that they didnt pay corporate income tax.
        
        'Widely reported' does not make something a fact. The plural of anecdote is not data.
        
        Link2: "When combined with corporate income tax during the past decade, this equates to more than 50 cents in the dollar tax paid".
        
        So you didn't even read your own links which say they did pay tax… 50% in fact….
        
        I don't see your heavily referenced sources in your comments. Its all opinion
        
        They're there on the front page even before the login. I can't help you if you can't read.
        
        you posted a flaky blog post you have to sign up for
        
        The data is all there if you choose to read it. You clearly chose not to and that is all on you.
        
        michael west is a real australian news source
        
        The no true Scotsmen logical fallacy. You're really struggling here aren't you…
        
        It could be better even if companies pay their full taxes.
        
        Define 'full taxes'? Do you claim exemptions on your tax? Is this 'full taxes' or 'partial'? Who decides what a full tax is?
        
        Another strawman
        
        So you don't know what a strawman is either…
        
        You must be a very sad person, you can't even engage with a person without insults and attacks.
        
        Throws insult, claims other person is insulting. You are a very special individual…
        
        So it looks like we're done here.
        To sum this thread up, the original claim of "Unfettered capitalism has been tried and failed miserably" is unsupported by any evidence as predicted.
        
        Gehirn on 16/09/2023 - 11:47
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        Link1: requires me to log in… I thought you said that logging in was bad? Is it good now? Which is it so I know for future?
        
        I didn't have to log in. Don't blame me for your browser issues.
        
        Widely reported' does not make something a fact. The plural of anecdote is not data.
        
        A widely reported fact. I don't know why you argue against the fact the Exxon didnt pay corporate income tax when all these articles have data sources from the ATO, Exxon, etc, and Exxon representatives saying they did not.
        
        So you didn't even read your own links which say they did pay tax… 50% in fact….
        
        Again your argument that its okay because they pay other taxes.
        
        They're there on the front page even before the login. I can't help you if you can't read.
        
        No, there is only a graph showing improvements in some world issues. It does not show a correlation link to pro-capitalism, nor is that the graphs intention.
        
        The no true Scotsmen logical fallacy. You're really struggling here aren't you…
        
        You were the first one to dispute a news source. I guess its easy to accuse others when you commit the fallacy first. However I think it's very easy to see which is more reliable, between Michael West, a frequently trusted and used news source with clear evidence, or the Shortfall blog, something that has zero presence elsewhere, you have to log in to read, and the authors recent article is "Penguin Fear Porn based on sightings of zero baby chicks".
        
        So you don't know what a strawman is either…
        
        You say me wanting a company to pay tax must mean i hate capitalism. Strawman.
        
        And again some weird tangent that you think my argument means I must think non-capitalist countries are better than Australia. Strawman.
        
        Throws insult, claims other person is insulting. You are a very special individual…
        
        Why treat others with respect when they consistently show you and others none?
        
        To sum this thread up, the original claim of "Unfettered capitalism has been tried and failed miserably" is unsupported by any evidence as predicted.
        
        I have never made that argument so it's irrelevant.
        To sum this thread up Exxon paid zero income tax as shown through the numerous links with ATO, Exxon, etc, provided data.
        
        1st-Amendment on 16/09/2023 - 14:05
        
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        @Gehirn:
        
        I didn't have to log in. Don't blame me for your browser issues.
        
        Lol yes I have this new fancy browser that randomly adds login pages to websites. In your head did you think this was a good comeback when you wrote it? A browser issue that creates logins for websites?
        Thanks for the laughs, your low-IQ peanut logic sums up the anti-capitalist lunatic fringe perfectly…
        
        Gehirn on 16/09/2023 - 15:10
        
        @1st-Amendment: I didn't have to login, it sounds like your problem. Did you try turning your device off and on? Lucky there's 7 other links saying the same thing though in this comment section.
        
        I will paypal your chosen charity $10 if you can quote my apparent anti-captalist lunatic fringe view. The only view I have presented is companies should pay their income tax, taxation being a fundamental belief and part of capitalism.
        
        SBOB on 16/09/2023 - 15:16
        
        +1
        
        @Gehirn:
        
        I didn't have to login, it sounds like your problem.
        
        Your first link was to the Australian and is behind a paywall.
        You're both doing some pretty pointless level arguing anyway, but they aren't wrong that the link was not directly accessible.
        
        Gehirn on 16/09/2023 - 15:29
        
        @SBOB: Thanks for clarifying SBOB. The article appeared in full in my google search, must be a link error. My mistake, refer to the other links.
        
        1st-Amendment on 17/09/2023 - 07:18
        
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        @Gehirn:
        
        The only view I have presented is companies should pay their income tax
        
        Lol… it's up there and black and white for all to see. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.
        
        Good luck screaming at the TV about fat cats at the big end of town lording over poor Aussie Battlers on struggle street!
        
        Gehirn on 17/09/2023 - 10:01
        
        @1st-Amendment:
        
        it's up there and black and white for all to see. It's impossible to have a rational discussion with an irrational person.
        
        You are well versed in quoting on here yet you can't quote me on something you claim I have said. Almost like it never happened.
        
        Quite true, impossible to have a rational discussion when someone irrationally tries to strawman that the only view i have shown that a company should pay their income tax implies I hate capitalistism. And your further drivel.
        
        pharcyde on 14/09/2023 - 22:57
        
        @knackers: Disinfo spouted by News.com.au readers, gross.
    - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 20:04
      
      +1
      
      The very best are the ones to hate. Envy is the driving force behind socialism. Dont let the other guy have more than me and then the world will be alright.
- smartazz104 on 14/09/2023 - 17:14
  
  and (if you have time to kill) his tweets
  
  Lots of unbiased info I'm sure.
- nGu on 14/09/2023 - 17:15
  
  +2
  
  can you define what 'hating capitalism' means
  - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 20:07
    
    +1
    
    Sure, let me use a dictionary.
    
    Hate: feel intense dislike for.
    Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.
    - nGu on 14/09/2023 - 20:15
      
      +2
      
      I'm a bit confused as to why 'hating Musk = hating capitalism'. I just want you to elaborate on your thought process and opinion a bit more instead of copy/pasting a dictionary.
      - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 21:23
        
        +1
        
        @nGu: Sorry, I thought you asked for the definition of "hating capitalism".
        
        Hating Musk is not necessarily hating Capitalism, but it frequently is. Musk's defining feature is that he is the richest person in the world. Which is an extreme outcome of capitalism giving its rewards more to someone than others. A lot of hate for Musk is associated with the power that his wealth (acquired through the process of capitalism) has given him. Otherwise, there is no dearth of morons on twitter and other social spaces, including OzBargain. But we don't hate the losers sitting in their mom's basement. We need people with power and influence as objects of mass hatred.
        
        Hope this clarifies.
- qvinto on 14/09/2023 - 18:00
  
  +4
  
  His interviewers are mostly sycophantic in nature and his public persona prior to his twitter addiction was carefully manicured. Seeing his unfiltered irresponsible behaviour online and regular lying let's you see what he is really like.
  If he would just shut up and stick to things he is good at it would be better for everyone
  - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 20:08
    
    +2
    
    He has decided that he has as much a right to publically mouth off his opinions - good or bad - as you and I are doing now. Too bold for a billionaire, right?
smokenmirraz on 14/09/2023 - 16:30

I think we are all missing an obvious opportunity to ask Elmo how he's doing on Ruok? day
Montyjpm on 14/09/2023 - 16:32

+1

A face only a mother could love.
Fybre on 14/09/2023 - 16:33

+1

Dartboard solved!
IpGem on 14/09/2023 - 16:40

+1

This is a top seller in Amazon

That's bezoarre
[Deactivated] on 14/09/2023 - 16:43

+5

$35 is not a bargain. These kind of books end up much cheaper in the bargain bins at physical stores before they are pulped.
ozbargainer88 on 14/09/2023 - 16:45

+1

I used to like Elon when he was just doing cool stuff like SpaceX/Tesla/Boring. The whole X and political crap is just cringe. He was made of money and still became a sell out.
- quanticism on 14/09/2023 - 17:07
  
  +4
  
  Out of curiosity, what did he do to become a sell out?
  - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 17:10
    
    +3
    
    And who did he sell out to? Gates, Bezos, Trump or Biden? Must be Putin by supplying Ukraine with free Starlink but not extending to attacks in Crimea.
    - ozbargainer88 on 14/09/2023 - 18:13
      
      -2
      
      You think the book in OP doesn't look wanky af?
      - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 19:55
        
        +2
        
        @ozbargainer88: Feel free to wank off if the cover does that for you. But I am not sure if that is meant to be a valid criticism of the person who's picture it is.
        
        You might find him cringe or distasteful but thats style over substance. I find European luxury brands, their models and their flaunting as cringe. Different tastes.
    - pais on 14/09/2023 - 18:26
      
      You make it sound like he’s some benevolent force doing that out of good will. Ukraine’s access to Starlink was funded by US aid and private donations, until the DoD picked up the bill.
      
      No doubt the reason the Pentagon got involved is precisely because of Musk unilaterally meddling with access.
      - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 19:52
        
        +2
        
        @pais: Yes, it was done out of goodwill and no it was not fully funded by govt. or private donations. He at one point asked govt. to pick up the bill but then withdrew the request and continued to support Ukraine.
        
        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/15/in-reversal-musk-s…
        
        He did not unilaterally meddle with access. He proactively and unilaterally provided access. Had he not done that, there would have been no controversy around Ukraine. But there are enough other areas where people (guided by Democrat media) would have found controversy anyways.
        
        Since your information was wrong about this. Think how many other things you might have been misinformed about. Go directly to primary sources when you can.
  - 1st-Amendment on 14/09/2023 - 17:32
    
    +2
    
    what did he do to become a sell out?
    
    'Sell out' is child-speak for, 'did something I didn't like'.
    - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 20:02
      
      +1
      
      More like - did something that my group think architects didn't like.
      
      Hardly anyone with strong negative opinions have done any direct research on Elon even when its so easy to do so. Aligning with popular media caricatures is all that most are capable of.
- pharcyde on 14/09/2023 - 17:14
  
  +3
  
  I mean, he's still doing all of those things.
  
  Strong "shut up and dribble" energy with this take.
- trapper on 21/09/2023 - 12:02
  
  -2
  
  became a sell out.
  
  A sell out?? The man has put tens of billions at risk to free Twitter, this is a huge personal risk for the benefit of us all. A sell out? wtf
  - SBOB on 21/09/2023 - 12:33
    
    at risk to free Twitter,
    huge personal risk for the benefit of us all.
    
    and you posted that with a straight face and no sarcasm tag
    impressive.
    - trapper on 21/09/2023 - 12:39
      
      Which part don't you agree with?
Andrew87 on 14/09/2023 - 16:46

+1

Dude sucks, but this is a pretty decent deal for those interested.
nicolascage on 14/09/2023 - 16:59

+3

Bought thanks.
SpicyStew on 14/09/2023 - 17:01

i won't be reading.. too similar to jobs
King Steuart on 14/09/2023 - 17:04

+1

🤮
chickentaste on 14/09/2023 - 17:11

+10

I still prefer the working title: Space Karen
- Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 09:21
  
  -4
  
  The Real Pedo Guy
quanticism on 14/09/2023 - 17:16

+8

Already reading it on Kindle but I guess this is an okay price. I mainly enjoy the small stories about their engineering problems and how they fixed it. Wish it'd go into more details there but I guess this is the wrong type of book. As you'd expect, Liftoff went into way more detail about the launch of the Falcon 1 and I'm still holding out hope that I'd see that level of detail in the latter part of the book when it goes past what Ashly Vance's bio and Liftoff covers.
- nicolascage on 14/09/2023 - 17:24
  
  +3
  
  The only valid comment here
- AustriaBargain on 14/09/2023 - 17:35
  
  -1
  
  I mainly enjoy the small stories about their engineering problems and how they fixed it.
  
  That's one of the things the Guardian reviewer complained about, as if we are meant to be rooting for Musk getting excited over solving small problems to make himself a lot more money to achieve his impossible goal of going to Mars in his lifetime.
Grok on 14/09/2023 - 17:18

Thanks OP, bought 10!
Luckypenguin on 14/09/2023 - 17:18

+1

Wen nationalise Starlink?
- Brrrrt on 14/09/2023 - 17:41
  
  just you wait, when musk mess around with starlink in eastern ukraine one more time hes going to found out.
- Ozbargainite on 14/09/2023 - 17:48
  
  IPO soon.
- jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 19:56
  
  The moment you want it dead comrade.
- Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 09:22
  
  -1
  
  When it's taken over by Telstra later this year.
AustriaBargain on 14/09/2023 - 17:34

-1

I really liked the Steve Jobs one. I don't know if I'd like this one though. I'll "acquire" it and read it anyway. Guardian pointed out that Isaacson has gone from Einstein to Musk in just five books, they were not fans.
- pais on 14/09/2023 - 18:14
  
  I’ve bought it, because I think Isaacson did a solid job of showing Jobs as a fundamentally flawed human (a giant, narcissistic dick) with a particular kind of genius for consumer products. I assume Isaacson won’t pull any punches here either.
[Deactivated] on 14/09/2023 - 17:56

+2

Whatever shit he pulls off, all be forgiven if he puts people at Mars and back. We are one big fast rock away from extinction right now.
- Cluster on 14/09/2023 - 18:05
  
  +2
  
  According to Musk's presentation a few years ago, supply missions to Mars were landing in 2021, with people following right now. What, that didn't happen? Oh, never mind.
  - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 21:52
    
    +1
    
    Yeah, he has clearly not made good progress with his space initiatives. Just look at NASA, SLS or Blue Origin.
- AustriaBargain on 14/09/2023 - 18:22
  
  He 52 years old. Whoever inherits Space X might do it, more likely they will help NASA do it.
  - [Deactivated] on 14/09/2023 - 19:08
    
    +2
    
    It took him 15 years from first orbital flight to routine ISS crew flights. Im optimistic that he makes crewed Mars return in next 15.
    - SpicyStew on 14/09/2023 - 21:52
      
      good luck on the giant desert
- Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 09:24
  
  -1
  
  Mars doesn't want us. Defs doesn't need us.
  The rich & powerful will survive here, don't you worry
Cluster on 14/09/2023 - 18:03

+1

"I…. I think this…. this is a bargain that…. that…. everyone should read."
YoungQuan on 14/09/2023 - 18:14

Elon is a G
dynaflow on 14/09/2023 - 18:20

-1

The point is that life is short and there are so many incredible books to read…this is not one of them.
superflute on 14/09/2023 - 18:40

Much better than Elon Musk by Issey Miyake
congo on 14/09/2023 - 18:45

+5

There are many Elon Musk haters on Ozbargain? Yet there are also many Tesla supporters on Ozbargain as well?

Read his book, wasn't great or bad. The price is alright.
- Lit Homie on 14/09/2023 - 18:53
  
  +3
  
  As a wise man once said. "The darkness may try to hide the light, but it cannot extinguish it. No matter how evil they may seem, there will always be those who shine through their darkness with their talent and goodness."
  
  eg Chris Brown, Elon, Polanski
- pharcyde on 14/09/2023 - 19:19
  
  +4
  
  Big tech algo's can program the masses to turn on someone rather quickly.
  - qvinto on 14/09/2023 - 19:57
    
    +1
    
    Or being an as*hole on twitter can also do that
    - pharcyde on 14/09/2023 - 23:29
      
      +3
      
      As*hole? Lmao. Big tech algo's lead you to that conclusion and you abided.
      - sknib on 15/09/2023 - 08:13
        
        +1
        
        @pharcyde: Musk controls one of the biggest "Big tech" algo's, yet most people still think he's an self-centered idiot. You are not a giga-brain impervious to psyops like us "sheep", any sensible person can spend 10 seconds on his Twitter timeline and conclude the obvious about him.
        
        Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 09:27
        
        -2
        
        @sknib: Only hard right white conspiratorial nuts get to say who is brainwashed.
        Musk is like Trump - a Pied Piper - and there's no shortage of gullible rats clawing at their heels
        
        pharcyde on 15/09/2023 - 14:31
        
        @Protractor: -TDS
        
        Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 14:44
        
        @pharcyde: He certainly is
  - jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 19:58
    
    +2
    
    This is more like Democrat think tank one day deciding that they are against the green vehicle person and then the media following through.
    - pharcyde on 14/09/2023 - 23:28
      
      Few understand this.
- R00D on 18/10/2023 - 09:53
  
  Elon provides quite a dilemma for progressives. His want for freedom on social media rubbed many investors in victimhood culture up the wrong way.
Alonzo on 14/09/2023 - 18:52

+2

JAN
Just another narcissist.
- jalwa on 14/09/2023 - 20:00
  
  Narcissist: Believing others are inferior and lacking empathy for others.
  
  Thanks for sharing your kind views about another human :)
  - try2bhelpful on 15/09/2023 - 08:42
    
    +2
    
    Musk does lack empathy for others. That is just a fact.
    - Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 09:28
      
      +1
      
      Calling a real hero a 'pedo' is the total sum of Musks credibility
      - cerealJay on 15/09/2023 - 12:26
        
        +3
        
        @Protractor: "Real hero"? LOL that diver was an attention-seeking tool. While everyone was focused on rescuing kids in a cave, he was doing TV interviews slandering Musk and making baseless accusations about someone he never met. Then tried to get rich off Musk's return fire.. tried to sue Musk for $150 million and was awarded zero by the jury… lol, that's literally a loser, not hero.
        
        Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 12:41
        
        @cerealJay: Of course, so much 'loser' in his actual rescue,innit.
        The jury & trial was based where? (rhetorical)
        Trust the American justice system at your own peril.
        Attention seeking? That's hilarious in the middle of a discussion about Musk
        
        cerealJay on 15/09/2023 - 12:52
        
        +1
        
        @Protractor: What a mess of words!
        
        Another thing you don't seem to know, the "pedo guy" diver wasn't actually involved in diving. All he did was provide maps of the cave. Buy hey, don't let facts get in the way of your grumpy misinformation!
        
        Another fact (look it up if you want), the actual lead cave rescue diver, Rick Stanton, encouraged Musk to build his submarine and thought it could be used as a backup if they couldn’t swim the boys out.
        
        Protractor on 15/09/2023 - 13:12
        
        @cerealJay: which was rejected because it would never have fitted the cave.
        
        He was attention seeking (again)
Pcosmic on 14/09/2023 - 19:57

-4

Worth 0
zombie hunter on 14/09/2023 - 20:05

The book is actually shorter then the ozbargain post on the subject
fredwu on 14/09/2023 - 20:05

+9

Unpopular opinion: as someone who works in tech and dabbles in AI/ML, Elon appears to be very illogical and… not very intelligent. And I've had this opinion for many years (when the mainstream still worships him), ever since he started promising fully autonomous driving is just around the corner, and that it is "a solved problem".

Not sure about Walter Isaacson's other autobiography books, but I really disliked his Steve Jobs book. What a waste of opportunity, many other books despite not having "official" access to Jobs' inner circles, managed to tell more interesting stories and insights than the "official" autobiography.

/rant
- dyingofdiabetes on 14/09/2023 - 20:33
  
  +5
  
  Unpopular for a reason. Your reasoning is "it took longer than expected therefore it's bad tech and is illogical". He's literally beat every other car company at their own game and will use that AI learning to scale into all other areas. Not a single car company can get remotely close to competing with Teslas autopilot in its current state. So yeah idk I would say it takes some intelligence to do that, especially given most smart people that worked with him (Such as the team at spacex) can vouch for his knowledge. As for this book, I agree that a lot of autobiographys really don't cut it.
  - Gehirn on 14/09/2023 - 20:40
    
    +4
    
    Your opinion that fredwu's reasoning is "it took longer than expected therefore it's bad tech and is illogical" seems pretty illogical from his comment.
    
    He never stated it was bad or illogical tech.
    
    He said Musk is illogical and unintelligent for promising that the tech issues are solved and will be out around the corner for many years when they have not.
    - dyingofdiabetes on 14/09/2023 - 20:54
      
      +3
      
      Fair, I may have misrepresented his view and sorry if I did so thanks for bringing that up. I'm personally not annoyed by his overtly optimistic and ambitious outlooks for his company, it's actually what I liked about him early on and was why I got some Tesla stock (When it was single digits - so yes I'm biased) so given he runs a company which he has to hype up of course he's going to advertise it as best as he can. What I've also come to learn is that often something he does, which I simply cannot understand and makes zero sense to me makes sense in a years time (i.e. once I've realised the full picture he was seeing). That said, I very much disagree with some of Musks public stances on AI for example the need to regulate AI, I think that's stupid. So maybe fredwu and actually agree and have similar views but I've just misinterpreted his comment.
  - fredwu on 14/09/2023 - 23:40
    
    +3
    
    Not to turn this into a debate, as my original intent was really to just vent. But this statement:
    
    Not a single car company can get remotely close to competing with Teslas autopilot in its current state.
    
    Is really why I dislike Elon and Tesla's approach to deceiving consumers. Their narrative and marketing have painted them the leader in the autonomous driving space, but there simply isn't any evidence that's the case:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car#Commercializa…
    
    The fact that they were willing to release unfinished hardware and software for "self driving" ahead of other companies who are more risk averse, is not really something I personally would get behind. I work in tech and I'm all for innovation, but there's a reason why compliance and regulations are in place for certain industries and product categories.
    - dyingofdiabetes on 15/09/2023 - 09:29
      
      lol bro you don't live in real life if you think a wikipedia article accurately covers the capabilities and driving experience of other cars, go and test any other "self-driving" car in real life and you'll VERY QUICKLY see just how pathetic they are in comparison, limited by speed, limited ONLY to the roads which they've already mapped out, limited to certain driving conditions, etc. etc. Name one other car that can go into a completely new area and handle it with the ease that tesla does, it doesn't exist. The fact you think that their approach was risky is ridiculous, what do you have to back that up? Unfinished? You've never worked with iterative software development have you?. "I work in tech" could mean anything from I fix refrigerators to I build rockets. It's meaningless, you've provided no actual argument so far. Most regulations are extremely out dated and don't account for fast moving tech, just look at the regulations around crypto, it's ridiculous. All the things you're hating on him for are the exact things that made him so successful. Do you know how many rocket experts, people at NASA, and other "experts" said SpaceX was doomed to fail, that he has no idea what he's doing, that his approach of move fast and break things was stupid, etc. etc. Well look at it now, all those people said the same thing about Tesla, and look at it now. The entire reason it worked was because he was willing to go against the grain, and that's why you see so many 'experts' saying he is wrong, because if they knew what he knew they would have done it too.
- congo on 15/09/2023 - 00:29
  
  +3
  
  Don't know if he is smart or not, but he has made $$$ and changed several industries.
  He helped create PayPal which we all use everyday.
  Have to give him credit for that.
  - trapper on 22/09/2023 - 10:41
    
    Don't know if he is smart or not
    
    Are you really unsure about this?
    - congo on 22/09/2023 - 11:04
      
      Yea, I don't know him personally. So, I can't say for sure.
      - trapper on 22/09/2023 - 18:07
        
        @congo: Did you know Albert Einstein personally?
        
        congo on 22/09/2023 - 19:11
        
        @trapper: Nope, but he came up with some simple equations that we learn at school, so I can inferred that he is smart.

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