I'm wondering if this has anything to do wiht to do with cybremonday, couldnt find the deal here, notng mentioned on there page……i bought a charger + cable from from them ages ago but noticed the page had the low proce agin.
Tesla Wall Connector Gen 3 $693 Delivered (RRP $750) @ JET Charge
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not if you want more then 8amps on a single phase cuirt that wsnt deisnged for EV charging
Right ok so faster charge time
Still, for most people a standard socket charge overnight will get them where they need to be.
@R00D: We don't have much problems keeping two Teslas charged with just the portable charger in a regular power point. But we only average 200km per week per car.
If you have a long commute, or just do long km regularly the fast charger is great if you wire it up with 32A, only takes an hour or so to go from 20% up to 80%.
@dtpearson: 20-80% in an hour is dc fast charging, thats over 100kW/h
This isnt a dc fast charger. Its 7kW on single phase. Youd get about 10% charge per hour on an M3 standard, less on bigger batteries.
@dtpearson: I drive about 400km a week and the standard outlet is plenty for me. Usually only plug in every second night too.
@dtpearson: Just curious do you have solar panel's?
If so are you save alot from not buying fuel?
Also curious how much kWh electricity use per hour when charging the car
@ATTS: I run my car completely off solar/occasional free charger.
How much do you pay a year on petrol? You save that much with an ev on free energy. In 12000ks ive dont on my ev, ive paid maybe less than $150 on electricity when i needed to use fast chargers for long drives. If you dont have solar there are ev plans that only charge 8c/kwh at night.
Depends on what charger you have. 10amp chargers will pull about 2.2- 2.3kW/h from the wall (only about 2kW actually go into the batteries after losses).
@krisspy: Hi thanks for the reply
2.3kw sounds perfect per hour
I do have solar 8kw panels
Im thinking getting a used tesla maybe 2019 model. Not sure
Ive seen at low 40 000 $ with around 100 000km
Is that anything to worry about? The battery and electric motor?
I spend about 6 to 8k roughly per year in petrol. So would probably take 5 years to break even. Is there servicing requirements for ev motor and battery?
Also i bought my sedan brand new and it is very low km as i bought it brand new and feel sometimes its a waste to sell as i bought it brand new
I think ICE worrry when around 160 000km
@ATTS: I have 8 kW solar . I use the free Charge HQ app to start changing early morning at 5 Amps ( 1.2kW) then increase charging to 10amps(2.4kw) through the middle of the day until 3 pm . There is a lot of margin for cloudy days.
@krisspy: Do have a battery? (Ie not the one in the car one in your home to store solar?). What’s your charging routine like? I ask as my weekday routine is that myself and the car are generally out during sunlight producing hours, which I’ve always seen as reason I wouldn’t be able to run off completely solar.
@ATTS: You're looking at 15-20 kWh consumption per 100km. Can sign up for some cheap overnight EV plans for 8c/kWh. That makes it $1.2-1.6 per 100 km driven.
@supperman: Yhanks for reply
I think i read ages ago the government charge tax for km travelled in an ev as a measure to recoup losses from tax earned from petrol excise?
Is that true?
@ATTS: Started by the Victorian government but has been ruled unconstitutional. Now it's up the fed to implement that tax. Vic tax was about $2.8/100 km.
@ATTS: simple maths - car with 64kw batteries, if your charger does 7kw/hour at 30cents/kw/hour it will take you 9 hours x $2.10/hour that is approx $19 for 450 km range.. But you never let the battery drains to zero, and you will be topping up every second day, so the charging won't be 9 hours aach time.
but there is plan that you can charge from 12 am to 6 am for 8 cents/kw.
@ATTS: I've got 10kw of solar panels, a 10kw battery bank, and a Tesla M3 long range with a "fast charger". Additionally we are on a simply energy EV plan which charges like 11c/kWh from midnight to 6am.
We usually do about 300km/week in driving. Long commute 2-3 times a week, plus weekend trips around town.
I usually charge once or twice a week from 8-10% back up to 80%, and we usually spend about $10-$25 a week all in on electricity: appliances, air con, computers etc.
Obviously it varies by season. Hope that helps.
@sauce2k: True that.. a lot of city dwellers don't even have access to off-street charging. Hence BEVs will need to get over that hump before we get mass adoption
@R00D: I have the wall connector. I get 7kW on single phase 32Amp.
This is to make use of my Time Of Use Tariff with Synergy.
The fast charging means it only costs $5 to "fill up" my car.
@R00D: I don't know why you were negged. I agree - I charge from a normal wall socket and do just fine.
@dangerdanger: The topic needs to come with a box of kleenex alongside some people. I didn't say all people, and statistically I'm right.
@sauce2k: Most EV drivers don't travel further in a day than what a socket charge will provide overnight. Fact.
What's the difference between a 10amp circuit that "has been designed for EV charging" verses one that hasn't?
Standard socket is max 2kW
2.4kw
Well yes but they're talking about charging from a standard socket, the charger I believe is capped at 8 amps.
@DingoBlue: The earlier mobile charger had two pigtails that limited charging to 8 amp and 12 amps . The new ones come with 10amp and 15 amp. If you have the old pigtails you can buy the 10 amp and/ or 15amp pigtail and increase your charging speed . They only cost $49 each. If you charge from 15 amp socket it will give you 3.2kW charging
@Memo14: My tesla standard plug in charger started life out as an 8amp and after a software upgrade pushed through from the car became 10amp.
lol no you need an electrician to install this.
if you want fast charging 12kw (on a model 3) then yes this is good to have. But if your like me and just use free 12kw chargers every week or you charge with the mobile connector over night then yeah these arent' worth it. To be honest with all the free charging stations in every shoping center in QLD almost its pretty pointless getting this.
To be honest with all the free charging stations in every shoping center in QLD almost its pretty pointless getting this.
What do you do if you want to drive somewhere other than a shopping centre?
there are many public places too that have free chargers, as well as hotels. pretty much any destination I got to there is always a free charger some where near by. I have never had to wait for charging either because I am always doing something while a charge is occuring. the Plugshare app is the best app any ev owner should own it tells you where every charger is. That being said I only charge once or twice a week.
If you hang around in shopping centers a lot lol? Ya spending 50-100k on an EV spending an extra ~$1,500 installed on a dedicated charger seems obvious to me. Also it's 7kw not 12kw unless you have 3-phase which the vast majority of australian homes do not.
you don't do food shopping every week? I just plug in go to the shops do my weekly shop have lunch and go home by the time I do all that the cars fully charged. No one waits around for charging, not sure why you would. I don't know any one that doesn't have 3 phase abilities in there homes, maybe your talking about older houses with older electrical work maybe? But I haven't seen a home that couldn't have 3 phase setup.
@kungfuman: I usually do click+collect/boot but even so I don't think any colesworth here has chargers, and I avoid large shopping centers as much as I can.
Guess it comes down to use case but I would think most people doing school runs and work commutes would need to charge at home
@rickdwp: nearly every coles near me has free chargefox (bring your own cable) chargers. but even major shoping centers like Hyperdome and westfields have chargers on hand you just plug in and charge while you do stuff.
Yeah I never use click collect for food shopping I like to look at the actual produce, and I actually go a green grocer for my produce.
@kungfuman: Houses dont come with 3 phase as standard, unless you're building with a pool or industrial need. It costs a shit ton to get this installed, depending on how far you are from 3 phase line. I've seen quotes for over 7 grand.
It takes me an hour to do a weeks shopping. I have to drive further than my local shops to one that has free charging. This uses about 5% charge return trip. Im not gonna drive further for a chance that the chargers are not taken all for a measly 5% free charge.
@krisspy: as far as I know most new build homes will come with 3 phase unless the builders going to cheap out on the build, but yes if its a older home then most likely not going to have it.
an hour at the shops at 12w gives you another 80km of range per hour, I usually have lunch at the shopping center every week too with the family, so I am usually at the shops once a week for about 2 to 3 hours. if I am down to 30 or 40% I can charge to full charge in about 3 hours or less. I only charge once a week mostly. its rare for me to charge more than that.
@kungfuman: New builds most certainly do not come with 3-phase as standard, the cables are are in the street but houses are certainly not hooked up as the norm.
@rickdwp: every house I have ever had built has always come with 3 phase. I wouldn't it was at standard for every builder but some do offer them with certain builds especially now with the rise of evs and people wanting to install there own chargers with the build
If you have money to install 3 phase system in your house just to get 12kw ac then i dont really think they care about free charging.
yes you would because you're not getting free charging at home unless you have a off the grid setup just for your garage. The point of getting a EV is to never pay a cent for almost anything. Saved about 2k of fuel in only 8 months, and paid next to nothing in electricity, free travel is the key with almost no maintenance cost.
Is there a map or list of these free charging stations? This is the first I've heard of free charging stations at shopping centres.
plugshare download that app. It tells you everything you need to know where the free chargers all where the paid ones are. etc. If you ever get an EV the first app you should ever download is plugshare.
@kungfuman: Thank you - checking out the map now.
Is there a chance I'm missing something? Struggling to find free charging stations in Brisbane shopping centres, and it seems most of the free stations are 'restricted' too.
faster charger allows you to maximize solar if you have a PV.
..but if most common is 6 KW of Solar then you don't want to charge too fast over that value
saw this from ev forum.
if 7kw charging was used, and solar panel was on max output of 6kw (not always during the day). extra 1kw will be from the grid. 1kw off the grid may cost 80+cent in average during day time.Fast charger will be good during night with EV plans IMO.
@Lululuke: you are right, look at the wrong figure. that is daily supply charge. AGL is around 34c/kw
@Lululuke: I pay 23c shoulder and 39cent peak wtth a 6 cent FIT it’s a no brainer to charge with solar plus the charger allows you to reduce charge rate if you have lower production . Also there is the Charge HQ. app which lets you charge at the same rate as solar production
if your FIT is only 7cents / kw, might as well use this charger and use up the whole production and pay the extra from grid rather than selling
it is cheaper to charge that way at home
Yes, but it charges much slower.
It's still plenty for me. I charge off a standard 2.4kw socket and only plug in every second night and I have plenty. But it's not enough for some people.
Hahahahaha this is a ripper
it will take you 100 years to get 1kw of charge :D
Still a deal
Facebook marketplace you can get one brand new sealed for like 550-600, a lot of people use their tesla and then on sell.
Also I've heard a lot of horror stories with jetcharge customer service, they don't respond to calls and emails if something goes wrong
It's all sub-contracted out, much like how most companies operate these days 😔
Third party on sellers, yeah I rather order with tesla direct or get one brand new from FB marketplace
a lot of people use their tesla and then on sell.
So wouldn't it be used then?
It's sealed brand new in the box
Even from Facebook marketplace?
@spaceflight: People who have earned referrals redeem these and on sell.
Having a quick look, here’s a couple on fb marketplace, brand new unopened
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Did elon just mimic apple by not including charger?
Not only that, he has LED lights installed in cars that are disabled by software (part of an "ambient lighting" upgrade in the Long Range models). There is no way to enable them either, even if you want to give Elon more money
Standard model Y has this
This is not a Tesla exclusive practice. it's often cheaper for manufacturers to include a lot of parts in lower tier models on the same production line and not activate them rather than having separate production lines for different tier models.
Unfortunately it's common now. The ioniq doesn't come with a charger either. BYD does though but it's a very slow wall charger
MG4 came with the standard 10A wall charger.
Neither does cupra born
I think you get a charger if you buy the Cupra Born again… ;)
Initial orders didn’t. Unless they’ve recently changed it and now include it.
Tbf I think most EVs don't come with a wall charger, unless part of a promotion/package. Now the decision to remove the mobile charger, that's very Apple.
Damn, could've saved a few bucks.
Will this trickle charge my AU Falcon?
Anyone seen any deals on UMC.
i think only tesla sells those
buy one now for an eventual purchase of the model 2 next year?
btw how much do home batteries cost now? have they became more affordable? I realise i could be completely off the grid if i could store all the solar energy from my panels in a battery here in WA.
Economics are still not there for batteries.
When they start using old batteries from EVs as home batteries it'll become better, so couple of years out.Model 2 is going to be 2025 at the earliest.
Home batteries could be cheap by way of Vehicle to Grid connectivity but for 'reasons' cough money* - This isn't yet legal in any state except SA (wouldn't work with Tesla anyway but would for certain other EV makes/models)
This should work for any V2L EV. Not ideal since AC V2L output is generally significantly less than a pure DC V2G/V2H solution, and you have to switch cable for charging/discharging.
Model 2 is vapourware.
You'll likely never charge an EV from a home battery its wildly inefficent
Anyone used portable EV chargers from AliExpress before? There is one selling at $100
LOL.
Buying high-current electrical items from AliExpress is a terrible idea.
May the force be with you !
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Why do you need this, can’t u just plug the cable in standard socket?