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KAMRUI AK2 Plus Mini PC, Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake N100, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD $229.99 Shipped @ KAMRUI via Amazon AU

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I'm a fan of these N100 systems (I originally bought a CHUWI Larkbox X 100 for around $200 AUD when they were released in June 2023) and use one daily for my general web browsing, 1440p youtube playback (it supports both x265 and AV1 hardware decoding with output up to 4K 60Hz).

I've bought one of these KAMRUI units as I like that the SSD can be easily upgraded and this is the first N100 chipset system I've seen where the RAM isn't soldered onto the motherboard, so the geek in me wants to benchmark the system with faster DDR4 to see what (if any) performance difference it makes.

There is a tick box for a $210 discount on the amazon web page, click that and add to checkout to get it for $229.

I'll follow up when mine arrives on saturday.

About the item:

【 Latest 12th Intel Alder Lake- N100】KAMRUI Mini computer is built-in faster&newest 12th Intel Alder Lake- N100 processors(max up to 3.4GHz, 4C/4T, 6MB L3 Cache), Power consumption is only 6W. The mini pc is noticeably faster and a better performer and has lower power consumption delivering over 20% of performance improvement over the Intel N5105 and N5095 CPU.

[16GB DDR+512GB SSD, Support Expansion]—-KAMRUI MINI PC GK3 PLUS 16GB Mini PC with large storage to save big files, enhance running speed and make your work more efficiency, support to flexibly expand storage by adding 2.5" SATA SSD/HDD or Inserting a mobile hard drive into USB3.0/2.0 interface, also supports Wake On LAN, PXE Boot, RTC Wake and Auto Power On.

[UHD 4K & Triple Screens Display Support]—-KAMRUI micro computer is built-in Intel UHD Graphics that ensures faster image processing and featured 4K UHD(4096x2160@60Hz) video playback. Support triple display through 2HDMI and 1VGA interface for different tasks in the same time,greatly improving the work efficiency and saving unnecessary working procedure,Ideal for visually home entertainment, home office, conference room, etc.

[Stable WiFi 5 and Bluetooth 4.2]—- Windows 11 Small PC have reliable and stable wireless connection, Opening website in seconds,watch movie without buffering and download files fluently, Connect the monitor by WiFi or Ethernet, Use a wireless keyboard and mouse through bluetooth 4.2, that will be powerful workstation for you.

[What You Will Get]—-Package content will include 1Tiny PC,1 HDMI cable,1VESA mount,1 power supply and 1*user manual, We also provide 1-year product satisfaction and Lifetime Technical Support Service,If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us in any time.

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  • +5

    Noob question, is this literally just a small pc?
    What do people buy these and use these for other than maybe some simple office use?

    • +17

      They can often be used in a loungeroom type setting, attached to a TV. You could torrent or stream from a media server, right there in your lounge and then watch it too. Could also emulate old consoles and play some classics in your lounge.

      • This may be a stupid question, but why would I need to stream via Plex if the device is attached to the tv via hdmi?

        • +2

          I don't think it's a stupid question, I think it's because of a few potential reasons. Namely by using the app, you can use your remote control through the TV itself rather than a KB+M. It's also got a layout that's fairly clean, which can also download subtitles for you as well. Beyond that however, you can also stream it around the house/over a distance as well (Uses beyond just the house). Wanna watch something while going to the bathroom? That problem is solved. There are quite a few reasons imo.

    • +1

      There good for home labs and Plex..

      • Seems only to have max 4 threads so limited for virtual environments

        • Suggestions on something with 8/12/16 threads, can take 64GB RAM, 2 SSDs, low power and cheap? I know i know, I want it all. :)

          • +1

            @ddr0001: Something like this https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/824610, i doubt it will take 2x 2.5inch SSDs but.

          • +1

            @ddr0001: Kamrui have a model with an Intel i5 12450H which is 4P cores, 4E cores and 12 total threads for $399 for the 16GB RAM model ($599 with $200 coupon), search Amazon for "Kamrui 12450H", surprisingly the RAM was Lexar, I was fully expecting China spec RAM, I was correct in assuming China spec SSD, it looks of such low quality that I never even booted it up, just swapped in a Samsung 980 Pro. I'm using one for desktop right now and it's actually pretty impressive, has 2x M2 2280 slots, 1x M2 A+E slot for wifi/BT, and 2.5" SATA connectors so you can actually fit a decent amount of storage in it, and QuickSync on these CPU's is fast, transcoding 4K H265 HDR content at 80FPS. Only real let down is enclosure quality, SSD quality and Realtek NIC, other than that happy with it.

    • +9

      They're extremely low power desktop computers. Like a Intel-based Mac Mini

      You can use it as a nettop (web browsing only) or use it as a server. Mine just runs file server though I plan to run some smart home stuff on it in the future.

      • +3

        Does "low-power" mean "low power consumption" or "low performance"?
        Thanks

        • +4

          Both although the performance of those has improved a lot.

        • +2

          I wouldn't be using this to play AAA games on (though it can run some esports games reasonably well), but I use an N100 CHUWI Larkbox x 2023 on a daily basis for browsing, youtube playback and some work from home with no issues. I have bought one of these Kamrui systems and will be using it as a kodi media playback box, as well as run batocera on it to play emulated PS1, PS2, PS3, Gamecube, Wii, Wii U, xbox and nintendo switch games on the tv - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwgH9xY6WE

          • -7

            @gizmomelb: meh, its still a crap cpu

            best bang is Ryzen or i5 8250u

            • +6

              @memez: It idles around 5 watts and supports 8K AV1 decoding since it shares the same capabilities as Alder Lake. It’s an impressive little thing IMO. I wouldn’t write it off as a ‘crap cpu’ straight away.

              Mine gets used for media consumption and light server duties which is what it excels at.

            • +2

              @memez: do you need so much power to run a browser or watch youtube?

            • @memez: They are roughly twice as fast as a Pi5. Absolute little beasts.

          • @gizmomelb: Would it really run Switch stuff ok?

            • @zfa: Would it really run Switch stuff ok?

              depends on the game - ToTK ran at about half speed at 1080p (for me - but I last tested that maybe 3 or so months ago?) 2D stuff it'll handle no issues at all, the more complicated 3D games it will struggle with (main CPU bound). if I get the chance I'll update yuzu on my batocera HDD and give it another test over the weekend.

        • +1

          Well..both. There is usually a positive correlation between hardware power consumption and performance.

          The Intel N100 performs like a high end mobile chip from the Skylake generation (source: Notebookcheck). While that doesn't sound super impressive, keep in mind the N100 only uses like 6~10 watts depending on configuration, so it's ideal for situations where you need a server to run non-stop 24/7

          • +1

            @scrimshaw: could also be solar powered and might be of use to those living off-grid or travelling in caravans etc. As said, it's replaced my desktop gaming rig for easily 90% of weekly usage - uses 1/10 or even less than what the desktop uses and I've utilised it 24/7 torrenting / usenet downloading with the added bonus that the box is completely silent (and it sits like 1m away from me at the same height as my head (it's literally sitting on the desktop case)).

            • +1

              @gizmomelb: Laptop is still more suited for those due to 15 watt total system consumption and portability. These devices will still need atleast 30 to 50w to power monitor and accessories.

              These are still great though, just use any old monitor or tv and just tuck this behind it and it'll run wonderfully.

              • @Wonderfool: as you say, if you have a tv in the caravan / offline cabin / whatever then you already have the monitor for one of these. It's also whatever the end user prefers - I know my Mum has issues with her laptop because she has difficulty reading the screen - once I showed her how to cast it to the TV she was much happier.

        • +2

          It means "low power consumption" and "relatively low performance", but the performance difference is not as wild as it used to be between the old Core and Celerons/Atoms were, an N100 is pretty on par with an i5 6500 (2015 era), similar single core performance, similar multi core performance, similar GPU performance, but the N100 does it using much less power. So with enough RAM and a decently fast SSD N100's will feel pretty good in daily usage and some light weight gaming, but definitely not any graphics intensive games.

          • @bircoe:

            N100 is pretty on par with an i5 6500

            Seems to be on par with a lot of the i5-8250U laptops floating around here second hand for $300 - $400.

      • Woah smart home stuff, what would that look like? Sorry I'm a complete noob but I was originally looking into ZigBee hub and Raspberry pi stuff (still researching) for smart home stuff. How would that work?

        • +2

          https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/generic-x86-64

          You typically just install Home Assistant OS onto the machine, or more popularly just running HA inside a docker container within your operating system of choice. Maybe Linux.

          Then pick your integrations and optionally buy a Sonoff or SkyConnect Zigbee + Thread* Compatible USB Dongle if you want support for all the new matter IoT devices that will be releasing soon.

          Note that you do not need to specifically spend money on a mini PC to do this. You can setup your Home assistant server on any old machine you have lying around, like a laptop.

    • +3

      For business like a cafe to display menu, play music etc.

    • +5

      because the majority of people use a pc for checking their email, browsing the web, watching youtube and facebook etc? they don't need a monster PC which costs 5X or more to do that.

    • +2

      I use mine for the simple gaming, web browsing, simple video editing, a little Scrubus, Inkscape and Darktable photo processing. Mine is an older AMD system from MInisForum.

      It does all I need, its quiet, tiny and not expensive. You can attach it to the back of the monitor if you want.

      I used to run WIn 10 but got annoyed with Adobe and MS so went Linux LMDE 6 full time as my OS and killed my Windows dual booth some 8 months aog.

      • +1

        the AMD based mini pcs are graphically a step above, but also 2-3X (minimum) the price of this. I do have an AMD 5600G based mini PC (using an Asrock X300W system) which is the 'portable emulation and gaming box' for extended family visits, keeps the kids quiet for longer :)

    • Any N100 based mini computer can play games, but don't expect playing 3D heavy games at 1080p with high details. There are lots of youtube videos showing exactly how well the performance works, but it seems people are too lazy to go look themselves. So lets start spamming with suggestions to watch:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kXTwvkfWc0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqmfZz04Se8

      emulating consoles - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwgH9xY6WE

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdZyC8-c6z8

  • +8

    this is not the cheapest it's been

    • +3

      Not sure why someone downvoted you… cheapest I've seen it was $150

      • +2

        The N100?

        Also those super cheap deals on these are usually pricing errors where they drop the price and forget to remove the code. This is a decent price

        • +1

          Would have been during this lightning deal I guess

        • +2

          I posted it here. It's in the description
          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/807667

          • +1

            @WarriorZ: The one I posted was $16 cheaper, but as @gizmomelb mentioned, this deal has an upgraded N100 chipset in comparison to the N95.

            • +1

              @hungry analyst: No mate. Check my link it's hiding in the description. I posted the AK2 16gb/512gb N100 for $150…
              Not to be confused, but I posted the AK1's here, 8/256gb N95 was $69.99 and 16/512gb N95 was $99.99.

              The n95 and n100 are very similar, just one is better for power consumption and the other better for gaming slightly i believe

              • +3

                @WarriorZ: yeah, they're mistakes right? They discount the product and forget to remove the coupons that are supposed to be used when it's RRP.

                I always miss them, not sure how you find out about them :) I've put price drop alerts on 3 camels, but never seen one drop in price with the coupon still there

              • @WarriorZ: weird.. neither Honey nor camelcamelcamel showed that price in their price history. Comments from your link suggest the items sold out in literal minutes, I'll remove my downvote but I can't see the 'sale' at the current $229 ending as quickly as the pricing mistake did in your link.

                • +1

                  @gizmomelb: It's because they require a coupon and those places probably show the price without the coupon.

                • +1

                  @gizmomelb: Yeh i dont think honey or camel factor in the coupon codes. And yeh it didnt last long because those coupons have limited usages.
                  I enjoyed these kamrui's so much I upgraded to a more powerful Minisforum em680 shortly after.

                  • +1

                    @WarriorZ: nice! the AMD based mini PCs are graphically leaps and bounds ahead of the N100 chipset (I have an AMD 5600G based mini PC using the Asrock X300W case/motherboard) but also 2-3X the price as well (at the minimum).

    • wel I'm going to downvote because yes it is, the cheapest price you're referencing was for the N95 chipset mini PC (Kamrui model AK1), which is slower than the N100 and has been on clearance from many manufacturers since it's an older chipset which is slower and uses more power than the N100 chipset. You're comparing apples to oranges.

      • -1

        Uhh… the N95 isn't older, it came out along with the N100? It's actually faster for CPU with a worse GPU (at least for single core).

        • +1

          the N95 and N100 chipsets were released in Jan 2023, but the N95 mini PCs came out months before the N100 mini PCs. The N95 chipset is on paper faster than the N100, but it used double the wattage and with most benchmarks (which include some display component) the N95 is below the N100 - hench why I recommend the N100 over the N95 - https://youtu.be/qwBL4_4-luI?t=193

        • +1

          and if you want to compare CPU only benchmarks then the N100 still outperforms the N95 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4i4AJQuqZY&t=1043s

  • -3

    If it had DDR5 and NVMe SSD I would buy

    • +13

      Why on earth would you need DDR5 RAM in a box like this?

      • +1

        better GPU score I guess.

      • +3

        There are some manufacturers who offer DDR5 - but since the N100 chipset only supports SINGLE CHANNEL RAM, well it doesn't make much of a difference. Some benchmarks comparing DDR5 and DDR4 based N100 systems is here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-knNu1YA4Q&t=235s

      • No NVMe is more of issue than RAM admittedly. I’ve read quite a bit about this brand when researching a while ago. Best avoided. Glad I didn’t buy one.

        • +1

          as already mentioned, other vendors offer n100 based systems with DDR5 and/or NVMe. Since I'm using mine as a general desktop and torrenting box, and not as a file server I don't have the need for 3500MB/s or faster data transfers.

    • +34

      If it had a RTX 4090 I would buy

    • +1

      how about a Threadripper with water-cooling while you are at it?

      • +1

        liquid nitrogen cooling or why even bother.

    • +3

      If it came plugged into a greenhouse I’d buy it

  • +1

    It was $259 a few days ago. Another price jack with fake discount offer.

    • +14

      $229 is still cheaper than $259 :)

      • +2

        ahah yeah a bit of a math fail there Hybroid.

      • +6

        Indeed. Hence no neg, as it's a deal, but pointing out the inflated fake $439.99 RRP.

  • +1

    How much watt would this pull just doing youtube or Netflix

    • +1

      When mine arrives I'll see if I can find my power monitor, but from this post on reddit they claim it was around 11-17W - https://www.reddit.com/r/MiniPCs/comments/11lvzs4/ranking_mi…

    • +2

      When I profiled my Beelink N100 with virtually the same specs, it was using between 16-26W of power when watching a YouTube video. Average was just above 20W, I'd say.

      I have no idea where people get these ultra-low power consumption figures from (and yes, I've seen the YouTube reviews which show a power draw of 4-5W, it still mystifies me), because my machine has never been able to achieve that. Even idle on desktop doing absolutely nothing, it draws 11W. This is with the balanced power consumption profile in Windows 11, but I find changing the power settings doesn't seem to influence the power draw anyway.

      The N100 is a capable and handy little machine to be sure, but it hasn't lived up to the ultra-low power consumption claims IMO. It's also atrocious for any kind of gaming (except 2D sprite based games), but that's to be expected.

  • +5

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    Here is the analysis for the Amazon product reviews:

    Name: KAMRUI AK2 Plus Mini PC, Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake- N100(up to 3.4GHz) Mini Tower Computer, 16GB DDR4 RAM 500GB SSD Mini Computer Windows 11 Support 4K HD/WiFi 5/BT4.2/Gigabit Ethernet for Home/Office

    Company: Visit the KAMRUI Store

    Amazon Product Rating: 4.4

    Fakespot Reviews Grade: F

    Adjusted Fakespot Rating: 0.4

    Analysis Performed at: 08-06-2023

    Fakespot analyzes the reviews authenticity and not the product quality using AI. We look for real reviews that mention product issues such as counterfeits, defects, and bad return policies that fake reviews try to hide from consumers.

    We give an A-F letter for trustworthiness of reviews. A = very trustworthy reviews, F = highly untrustworthy reviews. We also provide seller ratings to warn you if the seller can be trusted or not.

    From a reddit thread regarding this product. This doesn't mean the product is shit but the company absolutely paid for fake reviews which definitely sours my view on them.

    • +4

      Paying for reviews when you're an unknown is a sign of the times. So far as I can gather KAMRUI are a subsiduary of the Japanese firm ACEMASTER (who have some bad press with weird stuff in their preconfigured PCs). I personally don't trust ANY computer with an operating system pre-installed, I prefer to install and configure my PCs myself, so wipe any pre-installed configs.

  • I curious on feedback on how this would go as a home Plex server. Little-to-none transcoding, most plays are local streams. Running Debian headless.

    • +1

      absolutely fine for that. no transcoding means essentially it'll be pulling NAS duty.

    • I don't use Plex, but I have read in various forums where people are transcoding using the hardware in real time with multiple streams.

      • +1

        Yeah I have seen mine transcoding 4 to 6 1080p streams from AV1 to h264 with the CPU peaking around 10 to 12% with other things going on

        Edit - I should add that normally it's barely anything it's just a quick spike and just as likely due to me spinning up the Web interface to have a bo-peep.

  • +1

    Can someone point me to a spec page? I'd like to know which NIC chipset is used and what the max memory is.

    I'm considering this for either a Proxmox server or a FreeBSD server and those details are important to know for those OSes.

    • I don't have this exact model, but with my AK1 Plus (Intel N95), Device manager shows

      Realtek 8821CE
      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32990356860.html

      Taskman tells me that RAM slots 1 of 2 used (currently installed is a single 16GB DIMM). It probably can go up to 32GB but I don't have a spare DIMM to test.

      • Thanks for that Scrim. It's as I suspected. Realtek performs poorly on *BSDs, but 32GB would be acceptable for Proxmox.

        The BSDs really work well with Intel NICs.

        I will add that it's unfortunate that the only way we learn about the specs is by someone actually owning one and running some spec program. These manufacturers really need to do better in this regard.

  • +1

    my laptop died a few days ago. I thinking I should just get one of these and save money by not buying another laptop. I don't really need the mobility of a laptop that much tbh.

    • Better to get a refurbished one from calmago @ ACT. Full desktop CPU and reputable brand. I got one from awhile back and its hasn't skipped a beat, been on for at least 1 year now. Just plugged into the network doing its thing and when I need to access it I RDP from an iPad and for anything serious I grab the portable monitor out and plug it in.

      • +1

        You mean a refurb mini PC or full size? The mini form factor appeals to me as I dont have much space (and my mrs may not notice I've bought it)

        • +1
          • @jlogic: Gotcha. Cheers, will investigate.

            • @Pete Gabitas: I did exactly this, replaced my laptop I never took anywhere with exaclty this optiplex micro. Happy with it for everyday use, running 3 displays no sweat.

              • @korda: Cheers @korda. Yeah I'm not sure I can justify the price of a decent laptop. I have some decent screens / peripherals for work so I'm leaning this way also.

              • +1

                @korda: And when you do need portability… a tablet running RDP works fine.

  • Im thinking of fitting one of these to a camping car setup for browsing, tunes & the occassional browsing. I actually have an older small touchscreen floating around somewhere so could add maps ect to my much older car. Does anyone know what the power supply is? Otherwise, does anyone have advise on a product that can power something like this via USB-C or similar? Im trying to avoid stepping up the power from 12V to 240V only to step it down again. My car power is 12V & USB-C is via a Bluetti

    • Be better with a tablet? That way the power requirements aren't high.

    • something like this should hopefully work depending on the exact spec of the DC input plug on the computer. The description states 6W as the power consumption so it should be fine to power using USB-C (although it doesn't state the voltage and you may need to find out in the user manual after you buy it, and purchase the corresponding adapter cable). https://www.amazon.com.au/Converter-Charging-Barrel-1-35mm-A…

    • +1

      I'd get a laptop, going to be a lot simpler.

    • the Kamrui doesn't have USB-C at all, but I also have a Larkbox X 2023 (another N100 based mini pc) which does have USB-C and it supports power over USB-C just fine. Looking at the Larkbox PSU - it's 12V, 3A.

  • +1

    I understand this doesn't come with an OS. What OS people are installing on these?

    • +1

      It says it has Windows 11

      • How can it be so cheap then?

        • +1

          OEM licence I'm guessing. But personally I don't trust ANY pc that comes with the OS pre-installed. I may boot it up one time to extract the windows key (if it's not stored in the BIOS), but then I'll format and do a clean install myself.

        • OEMs have special deals with Microsoft which allows them to get licenses much more cheaply.

        • -4

          doesnt meant it got the license. you'll need to buy one.

    • +2

      I bought one of these last night. Turned it on just now and yes, it has Win 11 Pro activated already installed.

  • Does SSD & ram removable or upgradable?

    • this appears to be the only N100 based PC I've seen with a RAM slot - most have the RAM soldered onto the motherboard. I'm tempted to benchmark mine with faster RAM when it arrives (and supposedly it supports up to a 32GB single stick of DDR4) but I didn't buy one of these expecting it to be a cpu powerhouse, I'll be using mine for emulating console games and playing 4K movies on the loungeroom tv. SSD is upgradable, and I think the wifi is as well. A video I found showing what is inside the case.

      https://youtu.be/26wiCBEJMHs?t=324

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