President Donald J. Trump lays out his professional and personal worldview in this classic work, a first-hand account of the rise of America's foremost deal-maker
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Average satire, 5 out of 10.
He will win
He certainly will.
He will win
That's what we are all afraid of.
@MrPants: why?
When trump was the big dog there was -
no wars, no inflation, no housing crisis, no fuel crisis, no food price hike, everything was relatively smooth sailing when trump was in power.
@BashfulYak: You missed out on the no covid action what so ever.. Just pretended it wasn't an issue. :)
@vid_ghost: So you haven't heard of operation Warp Speed then?
Not saying I agree with any of it but at least get your facts straight. (Or did I misunderstand your post?)
@vid_ghost: I'm no Trump fan but we hardly handled Covid much better. We went way too far the other way. Locking out citizens and forcing pensioners to live out of the boots of their cars for months because they weren't allowed to drive 5km over the border to their houses. Not to mension threats of jail time for anyone flying in from India. Our handling of Covid was a national disgrace.
@morgs640: Australia: In 2021, a total of 2,226 deaths from Covid.
USA: In 2021, a total of 460,513 deaths from Covid.
111.4 deaths per 100,000 population.
If Australia had the same death rate from Covid in 2021 as the USA, then our total dead would have been not 2,226 but approximately 30,000 dead. We saved 28,000 lives compared to Trumpland.
@iminabrons: what's the rate per 100,000 now - the rate will keep dropping/normalising between the countries as time goes on. We'll be paying for covid restrictions for decades
@Churner: So it appears your strategy to prevent the spread of COVID-19 is to cull the herd.
In other words, let diseases like COVID-19 kill off as many people as possible. Especially if they are susceptible because they have another current illness, old age, physical weakness caused by accidents, or any other vulnerability that would increase their chances of dying from the disease
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Tell me something you don't have shares in a funeral home, mortuary, or crematorium by any chance, do you? It's either that or you are a dead-set psychopath.
@iminabrons: You need to look at overall deaths compared to previous years and time since then. Far too simplistic to look at just deaths attributed to Covid
@mlburnian: Thanks. But I started doing that with the US CDC in 2020 when the deaths in New York went through the roof.
I looked at the month of April from the years 2015 to 2019 and then compared those results to 2020. Deaths rose dramatically. By 6x for that month if I remember properly.
Later, I also began doing the same for the whole of the USA and some states.
Like you, I would from time to time suggest on different forums to check on deaths over a long period to get a fair comparison.
@iminabrons: Mate… have you not seen how big and dense their cities are. We are a farm land… that’s not a fair comparison at all. From memory they shut their borders to China even before we did….
@basketcase86: What you have to consider is this, once a disease like Covid-10, or any other highly infectious disease, has been introduced into a country, city, or town, it is what that country does after that to stop the disease from spreading that is the solution in keeping the death rate low.
Let's compare the states of Alabama in the USA to Queensland in Australia. Both have a similar population but the majority of QLD's population is in Brisbane whereas Alabama has a few small cities and is mostly scattered small towns. While most of QLD's population is mostly in a comparatively dense city.
According to your theory, re. farmland compared to dense cities QLD should have far more deaths than Alabama.
At the end of July 2021, Queensland had recorded the deaths of just 7 patients with COVID-19.
In the same period Alabama had almost 12,000 deaths!! Let that sink in.
QLD's total number of deaths from Covid up to today is 3,375.
On the other hand, Alabama's total deaths from COVID-19 up to today is approx 21,000.
Alabama's COVID-19 prevention strategy was obviously to "cull the herd" full stop. Because after Alabama reached nearly 18,000 or so the death rate flattened out to slowly get to 21,000.
Locking out citizens
That word "citizens" is a bit of a giveaway you have been deep in right-wing American internet!
Do you mean "people"? Do you think police checked for citizenship proof, anf treated visitors or those with PR visas differently?
@bargaino: The main problem with your argument here is that i am centre left. I just really didn't agree with our goverment's handling of Covid. A goverment which was centre right….
@morgs640: That's good. I'm just pointing out that you seem to be picking up some language from the extremists.
I have a test - arguing against lockdowns & masks, fine. But vaccines are the aspect that is solidly backed by empirical data, so those who are anti-vax must be scientifically illiterate, or blinded by partisan politics.
@bargaino: I myself opted into receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine so I could be vaccinated early so I am certainly no anti-vaxxer.
@bargaino: An extremist nowdays is anyone who questions anything the government tells them. "Immigration makes everyone richer." "The solution to everything is more government". "Freedom is dangerous". "Electricity bills will go down in price" "Renewables are the cheapest form of energy" "Nuclear energy is extremely dangerous and unsafe". "Capitalism is the only economic system that works"…
In my experience, the truth is the exact opposite of what the government tells you.
@Thaal Sinestro: So you are pro-nuclear, and think immigration is far too high? Sign me up for your newsletter :)
I don't see anything extremist there. There is some real crazy stuff online that is coming from the US, left and right. Sovereign citizens, conspiracy theorists etc.
@Thaal Sinestro: I'd love to see how you cross a road at a crossing.
The pedestrian light turns red. This of course stops pedestrians because the government tells us so.
But according to you, that is when you say people must cross. Brilliant.
@bargaino: The people who have been brainwashed here are the general public by the then (Centre right) Governent's propaganda. If you speak to people from European nations which are far more highly educated than our country, They cannot believe some of the policies we enacted.
They cannot believe some of the policies we enacted.
I'm surprised to hear that coming from somebody in WA. We achieved covid-zero, so carried on with a nearly normal lifestyle, barely affected by lockdowns, no masks needed.
If you in Victoria, I'd understand, but in WA? Be grateful! We got lucky.
My kids hardly missed any school. Meanwhile in Europe and America, kids were stuck at home for months on end, with lessons over zoom.
@bargaino: At the costs of thousands of human rights violations. It wasn't worth it in my opinion we went way too far.
@bargaino: @bargaino
arguing against lockdowns & masks, fine
Yes we all remember being told by the authorities that masks don't work, and then being told we have to wear them because they work. Interesting.
But vaccines are the aspect that is solidly backed by empirical data
Do we all remember hearing about the 95%+ efficacy of the pfizer vaccine as it was being tested before release? Is the expectation of the reasonable person on the street that it would mean that a vaccinated person would be 95% likely to not be infected by the virus? If so, how does this relate to the empirical data of infection levels once the virus spread in the eastern states?
so those who are anti-vax must be scientifically illiterate
If you'd like to improve your scientific literacy, I would suggest looking at WA Health's "Western Australia Vaccine Safety Surveillance Annual Report 2021", and the ABS' "Measuring Australia's excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic until the first quarter 2023". Make your own conclusions.
That word "citizens" is a bit of a giveaway you have been deep in right-wing American internet!
Please, what newspeak are we allowed to use instead of this term?
'Left' and 'right' wing have become meaningless in practical terms for regular people. It's very effective as a tool of division though which keeps us bickering with our neighbours. Instead of hating on people that aren't from the 'wing' you're in, how about talking to them and finding common ground?
The bad things in your life aren't because of 'right wingers'. The elite are the ones who affect your life negatively.
Ever wonder why banks donate to both Labor and Liberal parties? They don't care who's in government. Just that their needs are serviced. That's why we have banking institutions doing things like charging dead people for life insurance, and giving $1MM loans to first home buyers knowing that interest rates would never stay low for long, particularly after the amount of money printer goes brrrr we've had in the last 4 years.
The government loves to talk about helping out with the housing crisis. All the while they are allowing immigration to this country at unprecedented levels. To be clear - the immigrants themselves are not to blame, and we need immigration. Just not half a million per year. Why would the government allow this? One major benefit (not for you or I) is to keep wages low which helps big business, property demand sky high which also helps big business such as superannuation companies. Bonus on that last one - politicians are over represented as property owners. Jeez what a horrible coincidence.
@glennski: Bro how many times do I need to write that I'm pro vax and centre left for you to understand? I mostly use the ABC (Supposedly centrist but definitely a little left leaning IMO) for news. No sky news Murdoch BS in my house.
@vid_ghost: Is Covid an issue now? Suddenly it is just like a common flu, like he said.
Follow the money. Look up how much money the giant pharmaceutical companies made selling the so-called "vaccines" that do nothing.
@BashfulYak: Are you saying Trump did that? Cause under Biden they have open borders, given israel and Ukraine 100s of billions…. Trump had peace, great economy, low inflation, cheap petrol…
But the orange man is bad…
@hippyhippy: What are these "open borders"? The US hasn't had an open border since the 1920s. It's rhetoric spread by Republicans, and is a bald faced lie. Not to say that the US doesn't have an issue with illegal migrants, but Republicans are also blocking attempts to fix this, apparently at the behest of Trump.
When has the US given Israel and Ukraine 100s of billions? The US doesn't give Israel and Ukraine money. They give them military aid. The vast majority of funding Israel and Ukraine goes to the US military complex, paying US workers to manufacture weapons that they give to Israel and Ukraine, or to replace old weapons that they've given away. If you stop the funding, you stop these workers from being paid.
You can't blame Biden for Russia invading Ukraine, nor for Hamas attacking Israel. Utterly stupid to think that was the fault of the US. Biden has an even better economy than Trump, inflation is now under control again after covid stimulus (which was necessary to avoid recession), US oil production has hit a record under Biden (which isn't necessarily a good thing)
Hint, stop listening to what Republicans say, or to Fox/Sky News. They're pushing an agenda, and you're falling for it, hook, line, and sinker.
Yes, orange man is bad. He lies 100 time more than the worst politician, used rampant nepotism whilst in office, tried (and failed) to use the military to quell protests, and basically buried his head in the sand when the nation had a major health emergency, ignoring experts in the field. Oh, and there was that small thing of trying to overthrow democracy. He's not just bad. He's evil.
@deek: You’ve got to be kidding. USA have given Ukraine $72bn dollars for WEAPONS. Don’t be a Biden tongue twister, please. It’s sickening.
What are these "open borders"? The US hasn't had an open border since the 1920s. It's rhetoric spread by Republicans, and is a bald faced lie.
Perhaps you should keep up with the policy position of the current administration before making such bold claims.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/wrap-up-biden-administra…
Not to say that the US doesn't have an issue with illegal migrants,
Lol so you just said it was a 'bald faced lie' but now agree that it is real… Truly remarkable mental gymnastics on display… a perfect 10.
but Republicans are also blocking attempts to fix this, apparently at the behest of Trump.
Man that takes some good drugs to come to that conclusion. This is the same Trump that wanted to fix this by building a wall and Democrats spent 4 years blocking him?
They're pushing an agenda, and you're falling for it, hook, line, and sinker.
You remind of Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense. Completely oblivious to your own situation…
Yes, orange man is bad.
TDS is real…
@1st-Amendment: Oh man, here we go.
Firstly, you're weakening your argument with your ad hominem attacks. If you want to refute my points, it's more effective to provide facts and information. Argue from a calm state of mind.
Perhaps you should keep up with the policy position of the current administration before making such bold claims.
Yes, I've read that press release. Do you know the source? Republican house committee. It's full of propaganda and one-sided views. This is not a source of truth. A document from a neutral third party would be much better.
An "open border" is a border that allows the unrestricted movement of people and goods. This is not the US border, which is very much restricted.
Some facts for you:
* the US now has nearly 20,000 border patrol agents, up from around 5000 a few decades ago
* the border patrol agents regularly break arrest records
* Biden deported more than 142,000 immigrants for 2023
This is not an open border, by any definition. It is actually a "controlled border". But that correct term doesn't fit into the agenda that the Republicans are trying to push.
Lol so you just said it was a 'bald faced lie' but now agree that it is real… Truly remarkable mental gymnastics on display… a perfect 10.
sigh Ignoring your passive aggressiveness here, please educate yourself as to what an open border is. The knowledge shall free you from the mendacity and machinations of those who seek to manipulate.
I assume that you agree that US Republicans are actively trying to prevent the Biden administration from being able to improve the border situation?
I honestly feel sorry for Americans. Not because of illegal immigrants, which can be a benefit to a country. But because their political environment is so dysfunctional.
@deek: @deek
This is not the US border, which is very much restricted.
Please explain how 10,000 people per day coming across is restricted?
If I take the front door off of my house and tape a 10cm wide piece of tissue paper across the entry at chest height can I now claim entry to my house is 'restricted'?
Please explain how 10,000 people per day coming across is restricted?
Because it would likely be a lot more if it wasn't restricted.
If I take the front door off of my house and tape a 10cm wide piece of tissue paper across the entry at chest height can I now claim entry to my house is 'restricted'?
I'm surprised you didn't use a car analogy.
A better house analogy would be if you had an inspector at the front door, allowing and refusing entry, but they go and jump the side fence to get in the back way.
@deek: @deek
Because it would likely be a lot more if it wasn't restricted.
I agree, but I think the point I would make is that the lay person doesn't mean literally restricted/unrestricted when talking about this, but in a comparative way.
Apart from the infrastructure and economic impact this is having on their country, the human trafficking and organised crime parts are awful too.
@1st-Amendment: Perhaps you should keep up with the policy position of the current administration before making such bold claims.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/wrap-up-biden-administra…
You've shared a partisan website operated by the Republicans. The Democrats have a different view:
https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/news/press-releases/ove…
@deek: @deek
The US doesn't give Israel and Ukraine money. They give them military aid. The vast majority of funding Israel and Ukraine goes to the US military complex, paying US workers to manufacture weapons that they give to Israel and Ukraine
Are you implying that the factory workers that manufacture weapons are coming off best here? Could it be that the companies are the ones profiting heavily? Watch some US news channels and ask yourself "Why does Boeing, Raytheon etc. advertise/sponsor the news? Are regular people in the market for an F-16?". Or would this have to do with ensuring favourable coverage of war efforts?
You can't blame Biden for Russia invading Ukraine
No you can't but isn't it strange that Biden's son was on the board of an energy company in Ukraine? That a Ukrainian prosecutor that was investigating corruption on this was sacked after a phone call?
Does anyone remember US spending hundreds of millions back in 2013 in Ukraine to help a US friendly government get elected? Imagine if another country spent that kind of money here influencing how people vote?
Hint, stop listening to what Republicans say, or to Fox/Sky News
Hint - Democrats and Republicans are by large the same. They go to work to serve their donors: military, pharmaceutical, health providers and wall street.
Are you implying that the factory workers that manufacture weapons are coming off best here? Could it be that the companies are the ones profiting heavily?
I guess I was trying to highlight that US employment is considerably affected by the funding. But yes, you're right, companies would be profiting left, right, and centre.
No you can't but isn't it strange that Biden's son was on the board of an energy company in Ukraine? That a Ukrainian prosecutor that was investigating corruption on this was sacked after a phone call?
Haven't really given it much thought. Sounds very much like conjecture and conspiracy. I'll wait for actual proof, thanks.
This wasn't the same Ukrainian prosecutor that failed to follow through in the corruption investigations of said energy company? And who was, himself, found guilty of sabotaging other corruption cases?
Hint - Democrats and Republicans are by large the same. They go to work to serve their donors: military, pharmaceutical, health providers and wall street.
Sure, they both do many things the same. But only one political party had tax cuts for companies and the rich as their only major legislation, whilst in term. Only one political party tried to circumvent democracy entirely to stay in power. Both parties lie, but only one does so on orders of magnitude compared to the other. Only one party is planning on dismantling separation of powers if they are next voted in.
They are the same, but they sure are different as well.
@deek: @deek
Sounds very much like conjecture and conspiracy. I'll wait for actual proof, thanks.
Fair enough, how do you prove this. But on the same topic:
Only one political party tried to circumvent democracy entirely to stay in power
Did 1 single person ever get charged with sedition/insurrection? Isn't it funny that a bunch of people who were allegedly trying to take power turned up at the capitol building and all forgot to bring their guns?
The public were sold a story which if anyone could be bothered to spend 5 minutes to look at has more holes than Swiss cheese.
but only one does so on orders of magnitude compared to the other. Only one party is planning on dismantling separation of powers if they are next voted in.
Conjecture and conspiracy right? Those sure are the talking points of MSNBC, CNN etc.
Democrats have been selling America out since the Clinton days, starting with deregulating the media. Republicans are no better, no worse.
@hippyhippy: Trump had a great economy? The only president since WW2 to leave the country with less employed people than he started with?
He did more drive strikes than Obama did in 8 years. That's peace?
Petrol was cheap because the economy was in the toilet, there's no policies he did that impacted that.
Do you actually believe what you're writing or are you just ignorant?
@greennick: You are feeling the after effect of his policy to print money for votes now sure it took 2 3 years but it happened. Petrol doesn't drive Western economies it drives middle East. What drives Western economies? Lemme help you. Microsoft Google uber etc do and they all hated him even though they love Republican party. But most voters don't get it they would rather be injected by disinfentact.
@greennick: Obama has the highest amount of strikes and associated civilian deaths than any other President. Google Kill List Tuesdays.
Do you actually believe what you're writing or are you just ignorant?
The irony..
there's no policies he did that impacted that.
Well apart from these ones you mean:
pharcyde on 09/02/2024 - 20:57 Comment score below threshold.
For the first time in nearly 70 years, the United States has become a net energy exporter
Natural gas production reached a record high of 34.9 quads in 2019, following record-high production in both 2018 and 2017
The United States has been a net natural gas exporter for three consecutive years and has an export capacity of nearly 10 billion cubic feet per day
Withdrew from Paris Climate Agreement
Canceled the previous administration’s Clean Power Plan, and replaced it with the new Affordable Clean Energy rule
Approved the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines
Opened up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in Alaska to oil and gas leasing
Repealed the last administration’s Federal Coal Leasing Moratorium, which prohibited coal leasing on Federal lands
Reformed permitting rules to eliminate unnecessary bureaucracy and speed approval for mines
Fixed the New Source Review permitting program, which punished companies for upgrading or repairing coal power plants
Fixed the EPA steam electric and coal ash rules
Reduced the time to approve drilling permits on public lands by half, increasing permit applications to drill on public lands by 300 percent
Expedited approval of the NuStar’s New Burgos pipeline to export American gasoline to Mexico
Streamlined liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal permitting and allowed long-term LNG export authorizations to be extended through 2050
Increased LNG exports five-fold since January 2017, reaching an all-time high in January 2020
Granted more than 20 new long-term approvals for LNG exports to non-free trade agreement countries
The development of natural gas and LNG infrastructure in the United States is providing tens of thousands of jobs and has led to the investment of tens of billions of dollars in infrastructure
The amount of nuclear energy production in 2019 was the highest on record, through a combination of increased capacity from power plant upgrades and shorter refueling and maintenance cycles
Issued the Presidential Permit for the A2A railroad between Canada and Alaska, providing energy resources to emerging markets
Renewable energy production and consumption both reached record highs in 2019
Enacted policies that helped double the amount of electricity generated by solar and helped increase the amount of wind generation by 32 percent from 2016 through 2019
Accelerated construction of energy infrastructure to ensure American energy producers can deliver their products to market
Cut red tape holding back the construction of new energy infrastructure
Authorized ethanol producers to sell E15 year-round and allowed higher-ethanol gasoline to be distributed from existing pumps at filling stations
Ensured greater transparency and certainty in the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) program
Negotiated leasing capacity in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to Australia, providing American taxpayers a return on this infrastructure investment
Signed an executive order directing Federal agencies to work together to diminish the capability of foreign adversaries to target our critical electric infrastructure
Reformed Section 401 of the Clean Water Act regulation to allow for the curation of interstate infrastructure
Resolved the OPEC oil crisis during COVID-19 by getting OPEC, Russia, and others to cut nearly 10 million barrels of production a day, stabilizing world oil prices
Directed the Department of Energy to use the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to mitigate the market volatility caused by COVID-19
TDS is a thing, you should seek help….
@1st-Amendment: Cute of you to cut and paste so much irrelevant drivel. How much of this actually impacted petrol prices? For example, you're quoting his approval of a pipeline that wasn't even built as impacting prices?
@greennick: Well, let's start with this "For the first time in nearly 70 years, the United States has become a net energy exporter". I think we're done here.
@greennick: Don't forget that when Trump was in office the were fewer earthquakes than when either Obama or Biden were presidents. What more proof do you need!!
@greennick: I think you are focusing on the wrong details there.
Never mind the economy, it has been surprisingly good under both presidents.
What matters is the attack on the institutions of democracy. The obstruction of congress, the insurrection, the ruthless grab for power at any cost.
@bargaino: I was just finding all the misinformation in the post funny, there's many reasons to not like most US presidents!
@bargaino: Anyone who call that literally mostly peaceful protest an insurrection needs their head checked - or preferably removed.
Also no wall
The wall was built decades ago. Trump merely proposed an extension of it to includes the areas that had gaps. Which part of this confuses you?
no measures to address demographic decline
What does this even mean?
Economically more Americans were better off under Trump than Obama or Biden
no reduction in foreign immigration
Legal immigration is not an issue. This seems to be a common confusion with TDS types. Illegal immigration was higher under both Obama and Biden.
no halting of Southern border invasion…
So you accept that there is currently an 'invasion' but can't figure out how that happened? Here's a clue look at the numbers during Trump's presidency and Biden's and see if you can see the problem.
He's going to throw all of his White voters under the bus again
By 'under the bus' do you mean boost the economy, strengthen the borders, and increase global peace? Because that's sounds like a better bus to be under than the current one.
Economically more Americans were better off under Trump than Obama or Biden
How do you figure this?
Trump had flat growth and limited wage growth. His tax cuts fuelled the share market, but most Americans don't own shares. Less Americans were employed at the end of his term than at the end of Obama's and right now in Biden's. Trump's tax cuts largely went straight to the deficit, he put on more deficit than any other president in history.
On what evidence backed basis was it better for most Americans?
Trump had flat growth
Lol…
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-…
Less Americans were employed at the end of his term than at the end of Obama's
A statistical anomaly due to Covid. Prior to that he had the lowest unemployment in 50 years.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/unem…
On what evidence backed basis was it better for most Americans?
Americans themselves:
https://www.ft.com/content/c17c35a3-e030-4e3b-9f49-c6bdf7d3d…
Biden is now polling worse than Trump was at the same point in his presidency, but you never hear that because the media cover for him:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/609188/biden-third-year-job-app…
You need to stop swallowing the media narrative.
@fordleg: He is the king of misinformation and disinformation. He preys on ignorant people. Lied to and continues to claim he won the 2020 election? He is on trial for so many crimes, many not even related to that lie. How could you want someone like that leading a country.
@BH1: Biden win 2020 because he wasn't Trump. I agree, Biden has some serious issues and I support an age cutoff for candidates. It's a shame that the only two options are a criminal and a guy on his way out who has some mental performance issues.
The Dems likely could've had this in the bag if they put forward a good candidate. I won't be surprised if Trump wins as a result. Sleepy Jo, as you put it at least appears to have a moral compass and code of ethics.
@WallybR: It's now widely understood that Ronald Raegan was showing the signs of dementia in his second term and he was the poster child for Republican conservatism for decades… until teflon Don came along.
Donald Trump also shows his own signs of mental decline… It really is a shame guys like Cornell West or even Bernie Sanders (old yes but sharp as a whip) don't get more support.
How could you want someone like that leading a country.
Because I can look past the personality flaws and focus more about policies.
And things were objectively better under Trump's policies than Biden's.
@1st-Amendment: Knowingly lying to his entire voter base and inciting so much division in his country with some of the most inflammatory comments a president has every said is what you define as personality flaws?
He is a criminal that uses his power to his advantage. He is a immature child who wouldn't accept defeat and instead told the country that the election was fraudulent and encouraged backlash by his hardcore voters.
These are not personality flaws. This man is mentally ill, unpredictable and dangerous to have in office. If he wins, it'll be a very sad day. Even if you like his politics, a system that allows a person with his history of disregard for the law both professionally as president and personally with his Trump business dealings, is very alarming. People who vote for our support him are brainwashed or ignorant.
@fordleg: Especially when he recognised (against international law) Jerusalem as the capital of israel and emboldened the apartheid leader netanyahu so he could later start an open ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians…
@fordleg: Yes inflation happened due to his stupid policy of printing money. You know he is the best economist, he ever had. He would scream on top his voice to keep interest rate low. All For his own personal benefit. I guess you haven't figured that out yet. Well most voters didn't so meh.
@fordleg: You realise all those things exist outside of the USA? China (for example) has all of those issues too. There's no way you can convince me that China's issues are caused by the sitting president in the USA.
@fordleg: Cool story bro. There was no Vietnam War or invasion of Carthage either. You want to give Trump any more irrational undeserved credit.
@fordleg: And look at the mess he left behind, nothing more than a con man, a compulsive liar and dictator.
@fordleg: What the hell you going on about?? There was still the middle east conflict, high inflation, high rent costs, high fuel costs, high food costs, high unemployment, increased taxes, absolutely nothing about your rose-coloured past was "smooth sailing".
@Jaxy: he was getting them to sign peace accords. Inncorrect about inflation? where did you dream that? high rent costs isnt high interest rates… fuel costs were half what they are today in australia. Food is also at an all time high, unemployment was way less during trumps time in office. Increased taxes? where lmao you lefty demorats just make this stuff up being you dont like someone hahahaha get a hug and cry in the shower son.
@fordleg: It's amazing the way you Stan for this man. You deserve the gold for your display of mental gymnastics.
no wars, no inflation, no housing crisis, no fuel crisis, no food price hike, everything was relatively smooth sailing when trump was in power.
Yes there was no global event that could have caused all those things.
@fordleg: My favourite part was how he encouraged thousands of Republicans to die from Covid, and hundreds to get locked up for trying to overthrow the government.
He certainly will. 1000%
Master jedi trump will drain Yoda's dagobah swamp and baby Yoda will become a republican. This is the way.
Nah, you obviously haven’t read Biden: The Art of The Steal
Sequel is coming on the 5th of November, lol
Yes, Biden's DOJ just released their report today saying Biden did steal classified documents and that they were not going to charge him because he's not fit to go to trial. Yet he's fit to be President and control the nuclear codes. Very appropriate title for Biden.
Only in the US “dumbocracy”, where the biggest, greediest, thickest pieces of dead wood float to the top!
You’re saying Biden had requests from the FBI to return classified documents, refused, hid them and got his lawyer to lie about handing all of them over?
Or did he find he had documents and return them?
@NuttyGoodness: Read the report yourself it's on the internet. First page of the report from Biden's own DOJ said "Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private
citizen"
He had documents in his possession which by law he was not supposed to have.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-…
@unity1: Evidence that doesn’t establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, you forgot that part.
Just to clarify, he didn’t hide them, move them, lie about having them to the FBI, tell his employees to delete video of them being moved and have his lawyer lie about it, right?
Edit: Nevermind I just read your claim that he’s “not fit for trial” which is an outright lie and not the reason given in the report you directed me to. I’m not confident you won’t lie again.
@NuttyGoodness: It's not a matter of hiding them. He was not supposed to have the documents in his possession in the first place. Not only did he know he had them but he also shared the contents of those documents to his ghost writer who didn't have a security clearance.
There are also rules how classified documents must be stored. He had them sitting in an open cardboard box in his garage. Not very secure.
@unity1: I imagine they’d need to prove state of mind to convict which may be hard. Unless there’s a voice recording of Biden telling someone that he has classified documents that he could have declassified, but didn’t, then it may be hard for them. Biden should have stored them in his bathroom like any sane person would.
The report plainly says that even if he wasn’t president, they wouldn’t push for a conviction. Seems like you’re inflating this an awful lot.
Notice that I haven’t had to lie or jump to my own conclusions. I wish you would do the same
@NuttyGoodness: Quote from page 11 of the report;" Mr. Biden sometimes skipped over presumptively classified material and warned his ghostwriter the entries might be classified, but at least three times Mr. Biden read from classified entries aloud to his ghostwriter nearly verbatim."
There were recordings but they were destroyed. Search "Zwonitzer destroyed recordings" on google if you want to find out more. The simple fact is if you are a Democrat you get much more lenient treatment than if you are a Republican. Justice is supposed to be blind, but that's not the case in America. We should be glad we live here in Australia.
@unity1: No, I mean are there recordings of Biden admitting to having classified documents that he confirms weren’t declassified by him, that he would later (when he was caught lying to the FBI) try to claim WERE declassified.
I feel like you have trouble weighing quality of evidence and you seem to use the least amount of detail possible to equate the actions of two people. I personally, think it’s lying by omission.
The simple fact is, if he had have returned the documents (like Biden did), they couldn’t charge him for it.
@NuttyGoodness: I think you have an issue with reading and comprehension. Read the quote above "warned his ghostwriter the entries might be classified" Plain and simple English. If the enteries were declassified then you don't have to warn someone they may be classified. If the entries were declassified he could have just made a photocopy and handed his ghostwriter the whole document.
Also, Biden had in his possession documents from when he was a Senator. He had no declassification powers when he was a Senator. He stole those documents from a SCIF.
Again it doesn't matter if you return the documents. The crime is having classified documents you are not supposed to have in your possession in the first place.
@unity1: I don’t have an issue with reading comprehension, you edited that as I was replying to your original comment.
I had read the page numbered 11 and not the 11th page in the document (minus the edits listed the start). The page numbered 11 is a doozy, “With one exception, there is no record of the Department of Justice prosecuting a former president or vice president for mishandling classified documents from his own administration. The exception is former President Trump. It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts. Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified
documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview, and in other ways cooperated with the investigation. In reaching our decision, we did not consider every circumstance in which criminal charges against a former president or vice president for mishandling classified information may be warranted. But on the facts of this case, "the fundamental interests of society" do not "require" criminal charges against Mr.
Biden. 4 For this additional reason, applying the Principles of Federal Prosecution set forth in the Justice Manual, we decline prosecution.”
The crime isn’t having the documents in the first place, you’re wrong again
@NuttyGoodness: Bad choice of words on my behalf. Really should say allegedly a crime as it's not a crime until proven in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. But Biden did do wrong. The Prosecutor wasn't confident he'd get a conviction in court, hence no charges.
@unity1: No, I mean they aren’t charging Trump with simply having a classified document. Read from page 28 the listings of each count against Trump. If one was, “Having a classified document” it would be listed here. If it IS illegal and republicans are so hard done by, why isn’t it here?
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-i…
@NuttyGoodness: I'm not defending Trump for anything he did. His case is in court and he's been charged with a whole lot of process crimes. Let's wait and see what happens.
@unity1: I’m not saying you are, I’m saying that either of them having classified documents isn’t illegal. Withholding them after a request for them back is, but having them in the first place isn’t.
@NuttyGoodness: Well that's what is going to be tested in court. Trump thinks he had a right to the documents he retained under the "Presidential Records Act". It's not something that has really been litigated in the past other than the Bill Clinton Socks case. So let's see what happens.
