Although not the lowest price, with all 4090 models experiencing a price increase of around $500, it's challenging to find one under $3000. This might be the lowest price we've seen in the last two months.
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its $1000 more than a 4080 Super, are you going to get that in return for gaming or your use experience? If not stick with the Super, i went from a 6700XT to a 7900XTX and woah crazy good….but as for everything else i don't notice a difference that much.
Playing at 3440 x 1440 resolution. It's ok for most games, which is why I'm resitant.
Dont, it will be overkill for that resolution. Go for the 4080S and save the 1000$ instead for the 5090 (assuming your resolution changes by that time).
Its not too far off anyway.
@kehuehue: Agreed saved the $1k, you will still be happy with the 4080 Super and wont notice any difference.
As some who has this exact GPU and used to have 3440x1440p monitor last year the 4090 was/is a perfect combination for the monitor provided it's around 160hz monitor.
I say perfect cause it gets high fps in all games rather than just the easy to run games, it's absolutely not overkill for 3440x1440p
If you can wait, do it and save the money and wait for the 5090.
4080 will be fine
pretty much no games gonna go below 90fps at max
Lol, I have that res with my QD-OLED with a 4070ti and it's plays everything at max, if you want to flex and throw away money go for it..
@solidussnake: Notice the lack of FPS in his "plays everything at max" statement, it's almost like every single new GPU can play games at max graphical settings yet FPS is the varying factor these days.
The 4080 is good enough for gaming. However, if you need to do some AI computing, choosing the 4090 would be a no-brainer.
if you need to do some AI computing, choosing the 4090 would be a no-brainer
I work on ML/AI for a living, and this statement is wildly inaccurate.
A single 4090 is not a great choice for most tasks: most models will happily run on much less VRAM (think 4080 or even 4070), but most usable LLMs (if that's what you are referring to as "AI") will not fit into the (intentionally limited) memory of a single 3090/4090
If you need more VRAM on a budget, multiple used 3090s are better choice. If you occasionally need to train large models, renting GPUs are way more effective.
A single 4090 at home, given its price, is not a great choice for ML or gaming if budget is a concern at all.
How's the industry going here? The goldrush started?
It's quite coincidental, as I also use AI for at least 10 hours daily in my work. Currently, I have a 4060TI and 4070Ti, but their VRAM is too small, especially for some design tasks. With the rapid introduction of new technologies, I believe that by the end of this year, 20G of VRAM will become the minimum standard for some applications. For instance, in fields like stable diffusion, where SDXL was just released not long ago, followed by the launch of cascade last week, my 4070ti is nearly unable to run these applications. With version 3 coming soon and the recent announcement of an upscaler, plus upcoming video generation technologies, the barriers compared to last year are entirely different. Last year, the price of a 4070Ti was half that of a 4090, and now it's only a third, not because of the 4090's gaming capabilities, but because of its overwhelming power in the AI field. Moreover, new US laws prohibit selling 4090s to China.
I tend to agree. Most non-LLM models don't need 24gb. And LLMs don't fit on 24gb (unless you quantize your 70b model to like… 4bit).
i have no horse in this, and you sound like you know your stuff
is there a reason why 4090 prices are rising in response to supplies being cut off from China? wasn't it because the US wanted to restrict their ability to do AI tasks?
genuinely curious
@Pusheencat: This would be too hard for me to speculate, but if I had to guess, I would think this is a combination of these:
If you take any of these away, the card that is suitable is much cheaper. For gaming, I think AMD does an excellent job. It's a shame they fell asleep at the steering wheel with AI, but hopefully the new software / drivers will help them to get back on the horse.
@glade90: I've just looked at those workstation GPUs and those are some mad specs. How many 4090's would be the equal of a A100 or H100 workstation though?
Thanks for indulging my bystander curiousity
@Pusheencat: Ugh, that is a very tricky question and really just… "depends".
There are models that you cannot reasonably train on a distributed setup of 4090s, but there are plenty of models that benefit more from having more GPUs than having one that is very capable. I know, I'm getting a bit abstract here, sorry :)
Often, you want to run many smaller models with low latency to get you the estimates of what matters to you. While many these days think everything is about large models, most of the models that generate revenue are often rather small but very niece (think about price, utilisation, delay, bandwidth prediction models).
If you want to train very large models, such as LLMs, it is tricky to do on fragmented systems.
There will be people pointing out that a 4090 cannot do everything that a H100 can do, which is true (compute capability is not the same), but these are details that don't matter much mostly. If you are interested in this area, I can point you to questions / problems that where you start learning about how it all works, on a very high level.
@glade90: Thanks for the offer but I work with medicine not machines
Very fascinating stuff. I wonder if all those efforts will change China's trajectory on AI work. Time will tell (:
Plenty of cases where more VRAM of 3090/4090 allows to fit the model, especially outside of LLMs.
You need something like the H100 for AI compute:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/h100/
they go for US$30k each!
And try used to have a 8-12mo lead time. Recently dropped to 4-6mo I think.
Wouldn't bother with 4090 unless you've playing to go 4K and play on those new 32" OLEDs with 240hz
I disagree get it.
Better to be overkill then have to f around with graphics settings.
I've got one and in the odd game that doesn't run full graphics in 4k it hurts my soul…
5090 upgrade incoming.
This is almost twice the price of a ti super, or it can buy you an entire 4080 super PC, hows this not far off?
Unless you are weighed down by all your money and have to get rid of it….I wouldnt.
Spend 1/3-2/5 of the money on an 4070 or similar and if it starts getting slow with newer titles you can get a new card in 12 months for 1/3 the money and sell this one.
You are going to CPU limited in almost all situation with the 4090. Unless you are going for 4k 120hz
Sorry, but a card that was overpriced to begin with, and is now MORE than the MSRP, is never a bargain.
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totally agree
Supply and demand, it is the most powerful card to buy at the moment.
all 4090 models experiencing a price increase of around $500
Damn that sucks. When did that happen?
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December-ish 2023, basically the US Government banned RTX 4090's and a couple other professional level or server grade cards that use AD102 or GH100 or GH200 from being sold in China as the US wants to maintain AI supremacy. As a result, before the ban went into effect, NVIDIA's partners shipped all their RTX 4090 stock to China to sell them before the ban stopped it, because there would be a mad rush for every card to be sold before the ban took place, creating a shortage across the world and massively increasing the price, even within China. In response, NVIDIA created a worse version of the 4090 called the 4090 D which is a China only product, they disabled overclocking and reduced the CUDA Core count to prevent it from being over the US's AI Performance ban.
As a result, 4090 stock has been massively reduced everywhere. I'm sure stock will rebuild over time, but it will take a little while and thats why the price is so high. It's already gone from $3299 to $2899 as the lowest price over the last few months, so I assume in a couple of months we will see $2599 once again, but by then Blackwell (the architectural successor to RTX 40 series) will be just around the corner, probably September announcement, October launch.
I wonder why do people buy the top range Nvidia cards over AMD which are almost half the cost? I have a 7900XTX and its been absolutely fantastic.
Dlss is better. Nvidia investment in r&d and getting game developers to integrate their tech is unrivalled.
For the investment! Mine has appreciated about $500 in 6 months!
But to be serious, I think it comes down to gaming performance vs total build cost.
The difference between a 7900XTX and an RTX4090 for me was like $4000 vs $5000 as a complete build. So for an extra 20% in total cost, I gained more than an extra 20% in gaming performance. Seemed worth it.
Let's say. As a car enthusiast, you are buying a house with double garage for $400k, would you pay $100k extra for 2 extra parking spaces in the garage? 25% more expensive .
The difference between 7900XTX vs RTX 4090 for most people is the same as 7900XTX whole PC build with the worlds fastest gaming processor vs 4090 card alone.
Features, performance,RT performance, re-sale value, CUDA etc. There's a variety of reasons. I will say if you're just a gamer who doesn't use RT and doesn't care for DLSS, it makes a lot of sense to buy AMD, you keep money in your pocket.
But if you use your graphics card for more than gaming like CUDA applications, or you care deeply about RT gaming, the best features, a better encoder for video production and want to re-sell your card after you use it, NVIDIA just makes more sense for that kind of buyer. Don't get me wrong, AMD makes a decent product but it does have shortcomings. Maybe one day they will be back, but NVIDIA's almost worth $2 trillion on the stock market now, so I don't know how AMD will ever compete again.
I know Intel's cards are a meme right now due to how bad the drivers and performance are, as well as Intel being behind NVIDIa and AMD's cadence, but I look forward to and buy their stuff purely just so we can hopefully have a serious third player in the industry because NVIDIA's going bananas with pricing and we desperately need more than a duopoly.
Did someone say Blackwell?
Wait till June/july
The entire stacks gonna see a price cut according to tech industry experts,in preparation for a q4 release of the XX80 blackwell card
The 4090 is still 500 bucks too much here
Thats what people said during the last release and the one before that. People sold thier 2080Ti to buy the 3080 and the drama was popcorn worthy.
With 40 series, instead of the 3080 price coming down, the 4080 was priced absurdly. With AI demand, I wouldnt be surprised if there is a further increase in 50xx pricing with AMD following in nvidias footsteps.
Not worth it, I was $2,500 last year June. Now might as well hold for 5080
I snagged one for $2564.05 almost a year ago.
It's a bit loud for my liking, but I have an aggressive fan curve and I wear open back headphones.
Will be attempting a deshroud soon and replacing the fans with 2x 120mm and 1x 92mm. Using this etsy listing as inspiration
And a "free" game.
Uh… Just use a custom fan curve on MSI Afterburner and you'll barely hear it running. You'll lose like 5% performance in the worst cases, but who cares, the PC becomes silent.
I use Fan Control for my curves. Any game that's got near 100% load will have 100% fan so it gets pretty loud.
I've done some modifications and already I'm seeing significant drops in temp and noise; this is dispite not having the correct gpu fan connectors so they're just plugged into the mobo, and I'm missing 1 fan.
I already had the 120mm fans, I 3D printed some parts, and I've ordered 3 GPU fan cables, so this project has only really cost me about $40.
how easy was it to deshroud the gigabyte gaming oc card?
@povogamer: Easy, but you need to commit to removing the heatsink. You will need to repaste and you may need to reapply pads.
The screws to the shroud are accessed from the underside of the heatsink and are near impossible to unscrew without first unscrewing the heatsink.
4090 shouldn't be higher than 2500.
Theyre aprice gouging. They blamed the price increase on COVID lockdowns. Everyone is now back at work but the prices remain the same. I think ill pass on this and go AMD.
As a millenial I will die on this hill of refusing to pay insane GPU prices
It's absurd. I am playing Cyberpunk in 4k on an ex mining card I got for like $450 on eBay and people are paying 3 grand for this thing.
2500 and then mr 4090 and bank account can talk.
What kind of idiot would pay $3k for a GPU?
Enough for NVIDIA to make it something normal…🙂
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Argh I'm keen, should I do it?
I'm on a 3070 and was really close to choosing between the 4070 ti super and 4080 super. This doesn't seem too far from that for the top of the line.