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Singapore Airlines Round-The-World Flights (Open Jaw) via Manchester & Houston: Ex PER, ADL, SYD, CNS, DRW, MEL, BNE from $1,809

7760

this is a bit of a niche and complicated "deal" but it could be useful for someone trying to book a round the world trip from any city Singapore Airlines flies to in Australia (PER, ADL, SYD, CNS, DRW, MEL, BNE)

this has been working for at least 6 months for me, probably longer but I found while playing around with multi-city flights that you can book a reasonably priced RTW ticket all with Singapore Airlines pretty much year round (although prices still increase in peak times). the main trick to this is the 2nd sector must always be between MAN (Manchester) and IAH (Houston).

you basically pick a destination you want to go in europe out of the following list (Manchester, London, Paris, Barcelona, Zurich, Milan, Rome, Munich, Frankfurt, Istanbul, Amsterdam, Copenhagen). then add a segment of Manchester to Houston (find your own way to Manchester but internal europe flights are pretty cheap). then for final flight choose one of the following cities in United States back to Australia (Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Houston*, New York**) once again you will need transport between Houston and whatever city you choose

the price generally comes out between $2000 and 2500 even in times where booking the transatlantic flight seperately would be $1500 on its own.

*a flight from Houston back to australia will go via both MAN and SIN
**if you choose to leave from JFK or Newark the price is more expensive as there are only premium economy seats on that route, I would still class this as a reasonably good deal though.

I couldnt find anything near as good value or as flexible as this even when going the cheapest airlines possible, allowed us to book a cheap family trip visiting rellies in both US and UK.

The cheapest I found was $1809 CNS-SIN-FRA ,MAN-IAH, SFO-SIN-CNS booking on Singapore Airlines directly using this search on Google Flights

additionally you can extend stopovers in singapore by booking them as seperate segments and it doesnt appear to change the price ie (4 segment multicity, PER-SIN, SIN-FRA, MAN-IAH, SFO-SIN-PER).

you can also start from one aus city and end in a different one and it still works, it also works in either direction.

EDIT: FRA-JFK also works for the middle segment, which is probably more useful

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  • +10

    Nice work!

    • +3

      One heck of a deal! If you can afford it and have timeeeeeeee!!

  • +57

    MVP for flight hacks this month

    • +18

      Buisness comes to around 10k on most of these itineraries, Premium Economy is around 4k. better than booking seperately but not really a deal

      • +2

        Yeah I reckon $4-$4.5k for PE around the world is pretty decent. I priced a random Christmas booking at ~$3k in Y and ~$4.3k in PE.

        • +7

          damn RTW at christmas for 4.3k in PE is pretty incredible tbh

          • @hugamuga: what dates are you using and what's the itinerary ?

      • +2

        You can get RTW Business Class with Finnair from $8160. Check Roundabout for deals.

      • yeah, but how many krisflyer miles to do it in J?
        think it's pretty reasonable.

        • +3

          RTW redemption for Krisflyer is 200k in economy, 280k in business and 405k in first.

    • +3

      THE POORS ARE NEGGING YOU

      LOOK AT THEM DISDAINFULLY FROM YOUR THRONE OF FINANCIAL SUPREMACY

      • +13

        bro we are on ozbargain.

        • +7

          ozbargains are rich man. they like deals but they still like lux lives

    • +9

      You travel the world in J? I would have looked upon you with pity as you walk to your J seat, but alas my F seat is in a totally different section with no through traffic. If you're only travelling J, you might as well stay home with the peasant masses

      • +1

        You travel the world on commercial airliners? I would have looked upon you with pity as you walk to the public terminal, but alas my private jet is in a totally different section of the airport…

      • You guys fly on commercial flights? Yuck! 🤢

    • +2

      Can somebody explain what J and Y mean here?

      J class price ? Otherwise not worth doing RTW in Y. Never is

      • +3

        J = business class
        Y = economy class

        It refers to common booking codes and is often used in frequent flyer forums when discussing fares.

        • +5

          Thank you!

          I'm now picturing a mannered person at tea saying "It's never, never worth doing RTW in Y".

          • +1

            @pizzaguy: I mean, I could picture Donald J Trump saying this too

          • @pizzaguy: I just got back from LA and had a whole row to myself. So Y in this case was a much much better deal than W which cost twice as much. The fixed armrest is a deal breaker in W because you can never win seat lotto if the seat next to you is free.

            • @1st-Amendment: I see, we're now switching to that ticket code lingo. I looked up - W is Premium Economy.

              I've never flown anything better than the cheapest Economy. I don't remember having fixed armrests in any airlines from the standard "international tier", so in any national carriers that fly internationally. So above the usual cheap carriers like Jetstar or Tiger ✟

          • +1

            @pizzaguy: I would fly Y class.

            Although I am taken aback because when I board they do not address me by my name. But that's okay, when boarding I just introduce myself :/

  • +2

    You're a wizard Huga! ✨️

  • +3

    Have you tried other fifth freedom flights? Other than MAN-IAH ?

    • +5

      FRA-JFK appears to work as well, but you have to play around with dates a bit more. not sure about LAX-NRT (edit LAX-NRT works)

    • +10

      It's effectively just a round-trip fare from Australia to the US with stopovers (it works so well because Singapore fly to the US from both directions). Any Singapore flights that fit in that direction should therefore work - including the LAX-Tokyo flights (I just checked - that does work).

  • +28

    Frankfurt to New York (instead of Manchester to Houston) also works

    and its better cos its New York

    cheapest ive seen ex Perth (quick 2 min search) is $1734

    Horrible dates tho:

    PER -> MXP Friday 8 Nov
    FRA -> JFK Friday 15 Nov
    LAX -> PER Friday 22 Nov

    what a find OP!

    Ill have a look and see if I can find a way to stopover in Tokyo as well

    • +41

      Tokyo stopover works as well! PER-SIN-LGW, FRA-JFK, LAX-NRT, NRT-SIN-PER for $2075AUD wow

      • +2

        Can you provide google flights link I can't work it out cheers

      • +4

        Big love for the Tokyo option. Doubly brilliant.

      • How do you get so many multi city stopovers thru the SA website? If I replicate your post I can only get up to here:
        PER-SIN-LGW, FRA-JFK, LAX-NRT.
        The ADD FLIGHT button is now greyed out after adding LAX-NRT and won't let me add more flights.

        • skyscanner seems to work

          this isnt including the singapore and tokyo stopover but here's an example

          https://www.skyscanner.com.au/transport/d/per/2024-10-17/par…

          $1698

        • +9

          you have to do it through google flights (or another flight search engine) and then follow the link to book directly on singapore airlines

        • Have to call up to book, or use Google Flights / Aggregators that then book direct.

      • That is a very good price, indeed.

  • +1

    Are these official "RTW" flights through Star Alliance or faux RTW flights using only Singapore Airlines?
    https://www.staralliance.com/en/members

    • +8

      faux RTW flights using only singapore airlines

  • +2

    What a find!

  • +1

    Awesome deal thanks for sharing

  • +4

    Few know about this DIY RTW option. I first heard about it on WP https://whrl.pl/RgFVzT

    Incredible that the price is real and you can book it yourself, considering the cheap RTWs advertised by Flight Centre and Roundabout travel are unobtainable in my experience and their base fares have way fewer options than this SQ one.

  • +6

    Well that easier than saving 500,000 QFF to take the family with One world rtw, and the price probably what the taxes would be

  • +6

    Wow…. what a first post

    • +17

      The process isn't horrendous, it's a 5 minute online form… Nor are American airports much different to any others (easy to say as a white, non-muslim traveller though, granted).

      It's pretty unlikely that your ESTA would be rejected for no reason. While politically and socially it is a cesspit, it's a stunningly beautiful country. Unless you're boycotting on moral reasons (perfectly valid), you're missing out if you spend your life avoiding it.

      • -4

        I got rejected from it but approved for Canada which was my actual destination. USA is special in that you need a visa waiver even to transit through. I then went online to TripAdvisor and whirlpool and there were so many other Aussies in my shoes. They also claim it'll be processed in "up to 72hrs" but turns out that's a fictional number. It can take 24 hrs or up to a week

        Also LAX is famously bad…everyone knows it

        • +1

          People have been rejected from every country on the planet… You being rejected means nothing - it's absolutely not the norm and isn't something the typical traveller even needs to be worrying about.

          I find it hard to believe that 72 hours is a "fictional number" - it will absolutely be based on something. Though regardless, they advise you to apply AT LEAST 72 hours before - they don't guarantee to process it within that time.

          A bunch of people yelling into an echo chamber "knows it", yes. In reality, it's perfectly adequate and you'd have to be insane to cancel a trip to the US because you can't bear the prospect of going to LAX…

          You clearly just have an agenda here. I have no great desire to keep arguing with you about it, just wanted to point out the ridiculousness so other people don't take on the advice.

          • +3

            @callum9999: The point is that you can't transit through the US to get to Canada or South America - you need a US visa waiver regardless. The US is pretty unique in this way.

            So for OP, they need to find another way to get to Canada just because of weird US requirements.

            • @BergzBargz: No that wasn't the point… It was later mentioned, but it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with their point, hence why I ignored it.

              • +6

                @callum9999: Sure, everyone go enjoy LAX lol
                You cannot find any list where LAX will be a top airport
                https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/12/23/5-o…
                Let's say you're just transiting through:
                "— A new survey finds Los Angeles International Airport is considered by business travelers to be among the worst airports for connecting flights." - https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/lax-ranked-among-wor…
                Personally, having to clear security and get my bags, just to cross a gate in the same airport to again clear security and fly internationally to Canada is madness!

                TSA are also a terrible border force to deal with. Here's just one reference: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/travel/2013….

                If your esta gets rejected, they won't really tell you why so you need to pay a bunch of money and wait to get your transit visa.

                And Wrt the esta wording, here it is from
                "ESTA applications may be submitted at any time prior to travel. The processing of an ESTA can take up to 72 hours." - https://dk.usembassy.gov/electronic-system-for-travel-author….
                This seems pretty clear cut to me. 72 hrs…
                Here's a press link from cbc
                https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-remi…
                Here's another govt link.
                "An update to your ESTA application will usually take place in no more than 72 hours." - https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/faq?lang=en&focusedTopic=About%20ES…
                This wording would lead the average person to believe that a case with no complications would be done within 72hrs. And yet in 2023-23 many applications took ~96 hours, so why even confuse applicants with that wording?! Just say it'll take 5 days!
                Now let's say you're rejected and you need a visit visa

                "There’s also a very small chance that your ESTA application may be declined. This doesn’t prevent you from travelling to the US entirely. But it does mean you’ll need to apply for a US visitor visa instead. Enjoy going through the process!

                The visa application is much lengthier than for ESTA. First-time applicants also need to visit a US Consulate for an interview and to have their fingerprints scanned. But that’s not the hardest part.

                Once you’ve done the paperwork, getting an appointment is what adds the biggest delay. In Sydney, appointment wait times for visitor visas (B1/B2) currently sit at 73 calendar days. In Melbourne, it’s 63 calendar days – although in Perth, it’s seven calendar days. That’s still anywhere from a week to more than two months spent waiting just to get an appointment!" - https://www.pointhacks.com.au/esta-usa/

                Wrt your statement" Nor are American airports much different to any others", that's what I'm saying! They are! Most other countries don't need a visa or a visa waiver just to transit through.

                It's not an agenda, it's called research and lived experiences. Dont be so quick to dismiss others points of view when they're not even such outlandish claims.

                " A bunch of people yelling into an echo chamber "knows it" "
                Callum, please understand that your own experiences and biases may be a factor in your response too.
                OK YOUR TURN. EVIDENCE PLEASE. I want to see proof for your claims against my claims. You've led many readers to believe your points, please make sure they're accurate to save people surprises. I'm sharing this information not for myself, but for others.

                The average traveller should know their esta may be rejected, and that they should get it before buying these flights. That's also true for other strict visa countries, but with an Aussie passport we get to so many countries visa free.

                PS, I've lived in the US for months, I've flown there multiple times, I've been to multiple states. The things to see there were nice, the flights were often terrible experiences. The experience of a flight and a visa can definitely impact the enjoyment of a holiday.

                Not going to waste any more time on this thread. Everyone do your reading. Callum, you and everyone else, make your own decisions as individuals. Just don't down vote based on your "agenda" or "opinion" unless it's fact.

                • +3

                  @Ibz: Thanks, you are 100% right.
                  Even if you have ever rightfully challenged a parking ticket 20 years ago, the US might know and cause mega hassles.
                  Usually it ends up costing a fortune, missed flight connections, extra hotels, the discounted airfare becoming the cheapest part.
                  One bankrupt country milking tourists to finance another war.

                • +2

                  @Ibz: I've been through LAX probably 10+ times - I'm going to agree that it's a big hassle.

                  Doesn't feel like it can handle demand everytime I've been there with massive, stagnant queues and AC that can't cope in summer.

                  Unpleasant, but wouldn't stop me from going to the States though - just got to get through it.

                  • @reu: That's perfectly fair to say. That sounds similar to my experience. After knowing these things, people can consider whether it's worth it for them. There's a lot to see, grand canyon, Yosemite, Boston, etc. But it does impact the experience and I don't understand why the US can be so 'first world' and yet have so many insufferable processes.

                • -3

                  @Ibz: Urgh, when on Earth did I say that going to LAX is enjoyable? Pathetic.

                  Where did I say LAX was a "top airport"?

                  If that's "clear cut" to you then you need to brush up your English comprehension skills. Though you've quoted numerous times where it says "usually" and "not less than". I don't really care what you would imagine they mean when you read it - more fool you.

                  Transit is completely irrelevant. Your argument was that you shouldn't visit the US at all, not that you shouldn't transit there. If you want to change your argument to that then I'm not going to disagree, though you're being rather melodramatic. I've transited numerous times through the US and somehow managed to survive the horrific ordeal.

                  I'm well aware what the visa process is - I have one… Your rant about it taking a long time or being awkward to get has nothing whatsoever to do with what I argued against… Would I go through the visa process just to have a normal holiday over there (particularly if I don't live near a consulate)? Absolutely not. Did I say I would? No.

                  Oh, we're playing that game are we? I've lived there, I've entered the country dozens of times, I've transited through there numerous times, I've been to about 30 states. Do I win?

                  Your rant was so unhinged I lost track - what claims of mine do you want evidence for?

      • -1

        Nor are American airports much different to any others

        I've done a few of them and most of them are pretty good, the exception is LAX which is one of the worst I've ever been to. It's up there with Sydney for worst airports in the developed world.

        Unless you're boycotting on moral reasons (perfectly valid)

        IMO it's not sound reasoning to make a moral judgement based on second or third hand information you've heard online. That is lunacy. Go and check the world out for yourself, then make up your own mind.

        • -1

          I've been there countless times and yes, I still say it's perfectly reasonable to boycott that cess-pit of a country if you want to. I don't (though did during the Trump era and may do again during the potential round 2) and despite my disparaging remarks do enjoy going there, but regardless, "go and spend thousands of dollars in a country you're pretty sure that you want to boycott before deciding whether you do or not" is, quite frankly, moronic.

          I have no idea what you're classing as "second or third hand information online", but it's not particularly hard to find accurate information about gun laws/healthcare/foreign policy/whatever other reason you dislike the country online. In fact, that would be far more reliable than just showing up and investigating it for yourself.

          • -2

            @callum9999:

            I have no idea what you're classing as "second or third hand information online"

            First hand means you've experienced yourself. Second hand you heard from someone else. Third hand means you heard from someone who heard it from someone. The further you get from your own experience the less reliable the information becomes. This is taught in high school, maybe you were sick that day.

            though did during the Trump era

            So brave. So courageous. You showed him…

            but it's not particularly hard to find an echo chamber about gun laws/healthcare/foreign policy/whatever other reason you dislike the country online

            FTFY.

            • @1st-Amendment: So your argument is that if I disapprove of, for example, the American healthcare system, I shouldn't research what it actually is online - I have to travel to the country and find out "first hand"? So, I need to arrange meetings with the Health Department?

              What on earth is wrong with you? When did I remotely hint that it was "brave" or "courageous"? When did I claim I'm "showing" him anything?

              Ah, I see. You're incompetent so naturally assume everyone else is too. It's a shame you weren't taught how to do basic research while in high school. And you can drop your smarmy attitude - I know you think you're being smart, but I didn't say I don't know what those terms mean, I said I don't know what YOU mean by them. I'm surprised you weren't taught basic English comprehension at high school… The idea that you should only trust "in-person first hand information" is very obviously moronic, and while you set an incredibly low bar, it seemed too much even for you…

              • @callum9999:

                So your argument is

                No.

                What on earth is wrong with you?

                What is wrong is that you created a strawman then argued against it. It's not a great way to start an argument.

                Ah, I see. You're incompetent so

                So you'll add an ad hominem to your strawman… And you thought this would make you look superior?

                The idea that you should only trust "in-person first hand information" is very obviously moronic

                And another strawman…

                it seemed too much

                If it seems that way to you then maybe it's you… did that possibility ever occur to you?

                • @1st-Amendment: I didn't knowingly create a strawman. You specifically stated "IMO it's not sound reasoning to make a moral judgement based on second or third hand information you've heard online. That is lunacy. Go and check the world out for yourself". You then defined first hand information as being "experienced yourself". How on earth am I meant to experience it myself without going there?

                  I can't say that I've ever been concerned about whether I "look superior" in any interaction I've ever had with you… Leaving aside that I generally don't care regardless, you regularly come across as being unhinged.

                  Again, it's not a strawman as it's EXACTLY what you said. You haven't even bothered to try and take it back…

                  "If it seems that way to you then maybe it's you…" No idea what that's meant to mean…

                  You're just doing your standard "don't bother engaging the actual points, just make thinly veiled insults while whining about being insulted" nonsense. Even writing this post was a complete waste of time so… Bye.

                  • @callum9999:

                    How on earth am I meant to experience it myself without going there?

                    You can't, that is the point. That's what first hand experience is. It means you yourself experienced, you haven't just taken someone else word for it. You haven't just entered some echo chamber then gone off all angry based on what the chamber told to you believe.

                    I generally don't care

                    Yet here you are, putting the effort in to tell me how much you don't care…

                    it's not a strawman as it's EXACTLY what you said.

                    Nope.
                    Here' what you said:
                    "So your argument is that if I disapprove of, for example, the American healthcare system, I shouldn't research what it actually is online".

                    Here's what I said:
                    "IMO it's not sound reasoning to make a moral judgement based on second or third hand information you've heard online. That is lunacy. Go and check the world out for yourself, then make up your own mind"

                    These are different arguments, ie strawman.

                    No idea what that's meant to mean…

                    Whenever you perceive a problem, the problem could be external or it could be internal. Sometimes the problem is with the universe, sometimes it's with the person observing the universe. The question for the observer is how can they be truly sure which it is.

                    "You're just doing your standard "don't bother engaging the actual points"

                    I made point, you just failed to recognise it and argued something different.

                    just make thinly veiled insults while whining about being insulted

                    No insults, nor am I insulted. I merely observed flaws in your argument and called them out. Remember offence is always taken, not given. So if you feel offended then maybe it's you (see my point above).

                    Even writing this post was a complete waste of time

                    So you admit that it's a waste of time but still did it anyway? It sounds like you're insulting yourself here. But then based on your emotional rant above this is entirely expected.

    • +4

      We forgot to get a US visa waiver. Luckily we flew Air Canada and had to change planes in Vancouver and arrive into Newark domestic (best thing ever). It took less than 5mins to get visa waiver at US customs and the place was empty. No queues. The best way to enter US. Also you get a free stopover in Vancouver. Whistler 🏂 is 1hr by bus from airport.

      • +1

        That's pretty fortunate! Generally they ask the airline in Australia to check that before you even give your bags in so watch out for that!

      • +1

        It's 3 hours by bus (or 2hrs15 on a limited number of express buses), but it's a nice bus and definitely worth it.

    • -1

      Contact @jw he would love to assist you.

  • +16

    So many options:
    - reverse direction ( N America then Europe or vice versa )
    - via Seattle gets you on the doorstep of Canada
    - use a LCC to add S America inbetween the west and east coast of the USA

    Useful SQ route map
    https://www.flightconnections.com/route-map-singapore-airlin…

  • +7

    Using a Virgin velocity FF, would you get all the points and SC for all those legs? If so thats huge as well!

    • +4

      yeah absolutely, the amount will depend on the booking class

  • +1

    Awesome deal. OP - any way to somehow weave Cape Town or Johannesburg into this?

    • +1

      not really, you could book seperate tickets between europe and south africa return but there arent many super cheap flights to south africa so thats an additional $1000aud

    • +1

      Not into this deal, but using my velocity points to convert to krisflyer, I found some good options like GRU (sao Paolo) to Johannesburg for 34,500 krisflyer which is awesome for a continent hopping flight that has very few options between continents.

      Then capte town to Melbourne for 54,00 miles (JNB is waitlist, CPT is not)

  • +6

    Great deal!

    I miss pre-covid prices, I booked a RTW flight for MEL>HKG>LHR>MAN>LAX>MEL with Virgin Airlines, around $1k in 2019.

    • Link please!

      • +3

        Does @Kelbyyy own a Delorian with flux capacitor

    • Me too, MEL-HK-London-LA-MEL, $999

  • does it work starting in SE Asia at all?? want to do something like DAD (danang vietnam but anywhere SE Asia fine) - MXP (milan)
    then athens to Houston
    houston to las vegas
    las vegas to sydney
    sydney back to SE Asia (optional sector)
    or anything thats kinda like this..any tips??

    • +3

      it works starting in SE Asia but it wont include a flight to sydney, and in general seems less flexible. so something like DAD-SIN-FRA, FRA-JFK, LAX-SIN-DAD would work. looks like you can do it but the Europe section cant be open jaw, you have to arrive and depart in either Frankfurt or Manchester https://www.google.com/travel/flights/booking?tfs=CBwQAhpgEg…

      • +5

        I have noticed DAD is LAX with SIN.
        I'll see myself out…

  • +1

    Epic itinerary. Some great ideas here!

  • Wow. Good job OP

  • Nice work and first post OP

  • +2

    You deserve a medal !
    Would love to know if you can get any Business Class special fares RTW with SQ or any other Star Alliance member with your calculations.
    You did an amazing amount of work and should be congratulated.
    Well Done OP !!!

    • +3

      Try it out yourself with Star Alliance's RTW planner. See if you can hit the 35k miles limit :)

      https://roundtheworld.staralliance.com/staralliance/en/round-the-world
      It's also a great tool to use to check itineraries for SQ's own RTW redemption tickets as they're pretty strict on backtracking. Award availability on the other hand, is a whole different ballgame.

  • +1

    Upvoted for the effort! Great stuff OP!

  • +4

    Amazing deal/find, thank so much for sharing OP. Thinking of booking a trip for our family of 4.

    By the way it looks it's costing us AU$7100 for a trip in September.

    So tempting.

    • what's your itinerary?

    • that cant be right <2k pp?

      • Maybe 1 of the kid less than 2yrs

      • +4

        This is my trip:

        Mel-Sin 13 Sep
        Sin-Frankfurt 18 Sep
        Manchester-Houston 05 Oct
        San Francisco-Melbourne 13 Oct
        If you want to extend your stay in the US, you can choose 20 Oct, and price stays the same.

        2 adults, 2 kids age 2-11yo.

        $7131 total cost from Google Flight

        • +3

          OMG, even cheaper on Singapore Airline website: AUD6678

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