According to a few news articles like: https://www.9news.com.au/technology/nbn-plans-to-supercharge…
NBN propose to upgrade internet speeds at no extra cost to the retailer. What do you think this means for us consumers? At the moment, I am on a 50/20 plan for $75 / month. I am hoping we finally see a reduction in internet costs!
You clearly never upload to Youtube.
How often are you doing that?
Is that the best thing increased speeds are doing for you?
@PeelThis: Why make light of uploading to YouTube? If that's how @syousef wants to use their internet connection and would benefit from more speed, then that's up to them.
@PeelThis: I play a bit of Fortnite and for a while I was uploading all my wins. It got to be too much hassle so I only occasionally upload at the moment. But one reason for that is it takes hours to process an edit and then upload multiple videos. I was usually having to upload overnight so it didn't impact other stuff. There are 3 other people in my household.
@syousef: Yeah nice, I get it faster is faster.
I dunno I'm massive tech nerd and work in IT and by and large I don't see the need there.
I'm the same, live with a wife and kids but again we could all go hammer and tongs on what we normally do and never saturate the download and upload on a 50/20
I can say that I've never had complaints that the internet is slow (only that it's out) and I also download my fair share of stuff to Plex too.
That wasn't the case for 10 or 20Mbps household when I was younger.
@PeelThis: I left Telstra after 2 decades because they axed their 100/40 for residential. Now with Aussie Broadband, who does do 100/40.
I definitely want to be able to upload video quickly and I think it's disgraceful we have such slow upload in Australia. Most people just consume. The thing is if you do creative things, it's important.
@syousef: The split btw ppl who do creative things vs just consume for Australian is probably something like 5% creative to 95% consume.
@illusion99: Yes but the importance of the creatives is key to Australia not falling further and further behind the rest of the world. How well do you think those creatives will compete when they have to spend 6 times as long uploading 1/10th of the content their overseas counterparts do? If you just want Australia to become a nation of mindless consumers who'll take whatever they're given, great job with the NBN.
@syousef: I think it's great that people can get faster speeds if they want and have a need, even if it's one niche task that requires it. I'm trying to understand the mindset of the average household needing 100/40 and complaining that it's still not fast enough compared to other countries.
I feel most don't understand that going beyond 50Mbps today doesn't allow access to anything additional, it only speeds up a handful of background type activities like large downloads and uploads
Also as much fun as it is to shit on NBN it's been a better and more reliable experience when your options were more limited and Telstra was the only option for decent speeds.
They even endured the ultimate load test with covid lockdowns with no major outages or slowdowns, pretty impressive I think.
@PeelThis: If you experience any less than 4 outages an hour, your connection meets SLA and NBN won't look at it. That is much worse than prior to NBN.
You not needing speed doesn't mean others don't.
@syousef: Where is this 4 outages per hour SLA, I can't see anything about this.
My expereince on NBN has been rock solid, was on Optus HFC 30/1 for a year when we moved in and their support was terrible and defintely less reliable. Forget BYO router.
The switch over to NBN was more stable, I get faster speed for less money, I can pick my own provider with no lock in contract and can BYO router.
The one time I had an issue I contact my service provider (Australian based support) and they troubleshoot the issue from their end before raising the support cast with NBN Co and manage this with them directly, no futher involvement from me required.
There's more competition now and providers like ABB now exist as a result, not happy with their service then you can quickly and easily change. This is a good thing!
In another reality where NBN doesn't exist you would be continuing on with Telstra for a 3rd decade with their contracts and pricing, service, data caps (jeez remember those!), and speed (forget 100/40 unless you want to pay permium 'Telstra Business internet' money and the connection fee that comes with that).
We would still be beholden to Telstra's physical infrastructure and pricing structure which trickles down to all of the other providers using their network and there is no incentive for Telstra to upgrade it because they make good money regardless.
NBN Co is far from perfect, but they have done a good job and gotten us to where we are today.
Regarding the speed, it is what it is and the fact that people can get the speed they want to for a fair price is good.
I just don't like people being mislead and paying more for something that they aren't going to use based on some false BS marketing of a 250/22 plan as 'Best for larger households, ultra high-definition streaming and serious gaming' when a 50Mbps plan here fits the bill more than sufficiently.
@PeelThis: You are very fortunate you haven't had an issue. I misspoke it's 5 dropouts in 24 hours. My mistake. If you don't get that, your ISP won't be able to arrange an NBN technician. I've experienced this first hand. The length of the dropout isn't specified either. 1 minute. 1 hour, 4 hours…doesn't matter. Still I wouldn't call dropouts 4 times a day acceptable, even if they are short dropouts. That's a video call with a customer or employer interrupted, ticket sale missed, or you booted out of a game if you're a gamer.
Here's one example.
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2730618
"I've never had a problem so it's all great" is not a good attitude. You've had a good experience. That doesn't mean others have also had a good experience, or that you'll continue to have a good experience. Any small fault can put you on the other side of that, wishing you could get help.
@syousef: Agreed, any dropouts is less than ideal.
Local ISP support I've found are pretty decent and can see if there have been any dropouts from the NBN side to your router to quickly check if the issue is on the NBN side or local on the other side of the router.
I've seen some family and friends attribute 'bad internet' to poor performance from a cheap WiFi router/AP or using the range extenders beyond their capability.
That forum post is from 2018 so not really relevant I would say.
The inverse can be said about the point you're making; this one person is having a bad experience doesn't mean others also have a bad experience.
Totally understand and that's why leaning on a good ISP like ABB for support to get to the bottom of the issue itself can help.
We can only draw on our own expereinces and what we read online, by and large I don't have any family and friends with internet issues, and working in IT I would be one of the first to hear about it…
If you go looking online for problems with a particular product it's a bit of a leading question but is hard to quantify the actual % of people experiencing this one issue and can become a bit of an echo chamber.
Maybe in your case it is localized a bit to your area, do your neighbors and other families and friends in the area have the same issues with their NBN?
@PeelThis: Dude, you're in denial.
Pre-NBN you didn't need to see 5 dropouts a day to get a tech out. You didn't need to wait days to get a spare cable box sent out. Your voice service didn't depend on your Internet. Even the fact that so much of the infrastructure is old copper with no current plans to replace it should be enough to have you questioning whether or not the infrastructure is going to be kept in good working order. And if I can show there are people having a bad experience, it doesn't matter that others aren't. Complaints about the NBN are warranted. We use to be a leader in Internet technology 20-30 years ago, and now we're falling behind. "I don't need faster Internet nor fast upload, so NBN is good" is such a short-sighted point of view.
@syousef: I don't think so mate, I'm happy as can be here and I've got no issues and hear nothing from anyone else in my life that they've got dropouts and slowness with NBN.
I've got you and a thread you've linked from 6 years ago.
If you read the whirpool link it was an issue with the cabling on their property, hardly the core of the NBN network itself impacting heaps of people.
I'm not denying it happens but it doesn't look to be the expereince that the overwhelming majority of people in Australia are getting.
It's flawed logic what you are applying here because for any service or product there are going to be people with valid bad experiences, their complaints are warranted but are they the majority, a large % or an outlier making up <1%?
Hard to know (Maybe we need to start a poll here to guage it) but I feel like it would be low.
Aus was never a leader with internet access and I was in the industry 30 years ago, not sure why you think that.
The biggest strides have been since NBN co IMO with the influx of more providers, 5G, Starlink.
Speed is different to the above abount reliability
I believe NBN today is perfectly stable and sufficient speedwise and the infrastructure has room to grow with replacing more copper with fibre, we aren't falling behind by any means even if you believe it because your less than weekly YouTube uploads aren't instant.
If you really need more speed than what NBN offers you can get it, there's even 5G and Starlink options for those that want it and it's all cheaper than ever.
@PeelThis: Well, mate, I'm telling you I had a hell of a time getting someone out late last year and I had to prove I was seeing 5 dropouts in 24 hours before NBN would book a technician to come out. It took a couple of weeks to sort. And I'm with Aussie Broadband, who has actual humans you can reach on the phone 24/7, not some discount ISP. So the age of that thread does not matter, and none of it has changed since that thread.
If you don't need the upload speed I guarantee you're just consuming web and video and maybe playing the odd game, and generating nothing to put up, and you don't see the value in that. No wonder NBN can cut upload speeds in half on their plans without people blinking. It prompted me to move away from Telstra - who refused to provide me with more than 20Mbps upload unless I could give them an ABN.
I'm no longer interested in arguing with you. You're not going to change your mind and as far as I'm concerned you're flat out wrong. You'll learn when the infrastructure in your area gets old, or your NBN box dies. Enjoy your aging Internet falling apart and services degrading, all while you defend it.
@syousef: Sounds like you need a better provider then, I don't have expereince with ABB but can highly recommend Launtel and their support team. Have never been given the run around.
I use my upload speed, I host a Plex server that family and friends pull from regularly.
And also do nightly backups from my NAS, this runs overnight and not a large amount of data change from day to day so it can just chip away in the background.
And I WFH mostly and need to transfer files 5GB files regularly from my work laptop over my work VPN and join Zoom calls etc.
I tried 100/40 for a month but didn't really make any difference for me, the realtime uses are more than fine on 20Mbps, it's just background processing type jobs that a sped up and I'm not fussed about something like that taking 30mins instead of 15 to save some cash but appreciate that I can quickly change my speed if I so choose.
Sounds like you made the right move from Telstra after so many years then, they are crooks.
Cool mate, don't take it to heart just sharing my different expereince from yours.
All I can say is that since 2018 and moving over to NBN and away from the big telcos the speed, cost, reliability, and service have all improved for me so that can't be refuted as flat out wrong.
The expereince for 6 years has been consitent and based on current trend over the last 30 years I have nothing to worry about and not going to speculate with FUD on the sky falling
Sorry you haven't had the same expereince!
@PeelThis: Literally just troubleshooting new issues (possibly a dying router) and I've never had better tech support. I am no longer interested in discussing anything related to this with you as I don't find what you're saying to be worth my time.
@syousef: Seems unlikely to me, usually the hardware either is kaput or working as expected with very little in between but easy way to isolate that is to switch in a known working router from someone else.
All good mate, sounds like you have your hands full with it.
"Even 100/20 is overkill for the average person/household"
Mr Abbott, is that you again?
What do you do with 100Mbps+ that can't be done with 50Mbps?
@PeelThis: Ask me again in a years time, or two years or three.
Tony thought we'd only need 25Mbps and how did that work out?
If 100/20 is all we need why have so many other countries wasted money giving their citizens access to internet which frankly pisses all over what you think we need?
@shutuptakemymoney101: I'm asking you today though, what can you do on 100Mbps+ internet that you can't on 50Mbps?
What do see or anticipate in the next few years that will require 100Mbps? Because I would actually like to know myself.
There definitely will be a time when we'll have a need for faster speeds but if I had to take a stab it would be closer to 10 years where households will 'need' 100Mbps minimum and will be driven by some new type of service or content type.
As much as I don't like Tone 25Mbps would still be sufficient for most households and still support 4k streaming on Netflix. It's actually a realistic number even though if you go to an NBN provider and check on their site that you're a gamer that streams content and live in a household of 2 or more 100Mbps is recommended.
Most likely the affordability in those countries to provide that access to internet backbones in close proximity to them. It's way more costly to do so here than people realise. We have limited under sea cables in and out of Australia and geographically we are far away from other countries. On top of that we are quite spread out within our own country for our population. Compare that to Europe which its land mass can comfortably fit within Australias and has around 30x the population.
@PeelThis: You work in IT (so you say) and you're not advocating for faster internet speeds.
Maybe you do work in IT, I think it might be the policy department for NBN Co.
@shutuptakemymoney101: Yep that's right, and previously in an enterprise network gig now just cloud focused.
So are you going to answer my previous questions?
The need for more speed needs to follow the requirements and demand.
'Faster internet' for the sake of it is like plumbing in a bigger pipe when the existing one never comes close to reaching capacity, you aren't magically getting better performance unless you were already at the limit before.
The requirement for faster internet has been glacial IMO as there are not many resedential/small business use cases for it at all and the current speed offerings well and truly exceed the actual utilisation so I would say we are ahead at the moment and more FTTN is being rolled out.
Found this article over on https://eftm.com/ and have just picked bits out of it.
But they report NBN has proposed to RSP's a new wholesale rate for higher speeds to increase the speed ranking of Australia.
In terms of speed boosts the 100Mbps plan gets the biggest jump in available speed, lifting to 500Mbps downloads and an increase from 20 to 50Mbps in upload speed. The 250/25 plan will move to 750/50 and the fastest or “Ultrafast” NBN plan will go from being an offer between 500 and 1000Mbps down and 50Mbps up, to 750-1000 down and between 50 and 100Mbps uploads.
full read here: https://eftm.com/2024/03/mega-speed-boost-nbn-plans-to-multi…
NBN propose to upgrade internet speeds at no extra cost to the retailer. What do you think this means for us consumers? At the moment, I am on a 50/20 plan for $75 / month. I am hoping we finally see a reduction in internet costs!
LOL NBN increased the plan speeds but only starting from 100/20 plans.
So your 50/20 plan isn't getting a discount nor a speed bump.
But for a small amount extra a month, you could move from 50/20 to 500/50!
The people with 50 and below probably have no use for 500 so it will be the base offering. There is always a minimum cost to provide any form of service which makes up the bulk of the cost at the lowest tier.
Just look at how much electricity costs to be connected every day before you use anything. NBN just differs because they don't break down the supply cost on the bill to the RSP.
12/1 is equivalent to the senior / aged pensioner connection, 50/20 is the unemployed/ jobseeker connection.
The Australian Govt doesn't give a hoot about either of those two groups so they get less than zero, unless the Productivity Commission forces them to index their numbers.
12/1 is equivalent to the senior / aged pensioner connection, 50/20 is the unemployed/ jobseeker connection.
LOL But oddly there is hardly anything between any of those plans price wise and the 100/20 plans!
Superloop 50/20 plan is $6/m cheaper than the 100/20 plan.
The Australian Govt doesn't give a hoot about either of those two groups so they get less than zero, unless the Productivity Commission forces them to index their numbers.
Has nothing to do with that, and all about the wholesale costs. Those cheap two plans the companies are not making much if anything on. They are gateway plans to the higher more profitable plans. Hence why you don't see any 12/1 plans on superloop for example.
Giving those with the highest speed now even more speed at no extra cost is just a stunt by NBN to get people to pay extra for higher speed than they need. That's how it benefits NBN's income stream. Which is all NBN is interested in. Both sides of politics stuck us with an organisation that rather than serving Australians is focused on trying to find ways to extract more and more money from our pockets every year so it can pay back the money borrowed to build it.
You only get more for the same price by paying more.
All of the NBN's subsequent financial problems resulted from Labor getting conned into getting the wrong people to design and build it. They put a guy in charge whose background was in "enterprise" IT, and he surrounded himself with his previous colleagues. Everyone knows that the people who supply big businesses over-engineer and massively over-price their products. It should have been designed and built to consumer standards, with business having to pay more to get more. It doesn't need multiple redundant fibres to each premises. It doesn't need an NTU that allows the provision of multiple ISP accounts. No-one is using the features that made it expensive. And the expensiveness of the original FTTP solution was why we were stuck with cheap and nasty alternatives to get it finished without disasterous budget blowout.
And the expensiveness of the original FTTP solution was why we were stuck with cheap and nasty alternatives to get it finished without disasterous budget blowout.
So which is it? The original FTTP was too expensive or the alternatives were cheap and nasty? You're saying both are true. If both are true, what is your middle ground?
The whole point of nationwide-FTTP is to never have to upgrade the lines again. All we do is upgrade the switches and we get faster networks.
Yeah that sounds pretty correct, also what I was saying about them, NBNCo being focused on profit has been proven to be correct. The lower tier pricing has gone up with most ISPs so you won't save money going for a lower speed option.
The only statement I disagree with is not needing redundancy, I think the Fibre network needs some redundancy built in to try and prevent outages but yeah we don't need an NTD that connects to four ISPs at once what home users are doing that unless they are into IT as a hobby or something (the type of people that download movies all day etc.
Most home users just go with one provider for everything.
It's probably just cheaper to have 1 NTD to cover 99% of dwellings.
Also if they don't focus on making a profit they'll always make a loss and inflation will kill the ability to maintain the system. Then everyone suffers.
Yeah as a provider I don't really mind the NBN making a profit as it allows them to then spend some of that money on improving the network which then means us providers can make money as well.
Good deal, bought 10 internets
Thanks LNP for the crappy FTTN connection. 😭
You realize the bad speeds are mostly from LNP reusing the obsolete copper network?
@payless69: Think for yourself and know what you're talking about.
Labor, Rudd started NBN fttp, with the goal of getting it to all
Liberal, Tony Abbott came in to power and tried to decrease NBN infrastructure expenditure, and moved the roll out to shit house fttn, fttc technology, which has created the mess we are in today with terrible reliability and speeds.
Ironically, switching from FTTP to the mixed technology was technically a huge challenge, and the cost became greater than what it would of have been if they didn't (profanity) with the original Rudd FTTP roll out.
So we've paid to have good internet, but don't have it, and the Abbott LIBERAL government are to blame.
@JakeyJooJoo: I had a lucky chance to compare the NBN to several other countries: Mounting a toolbox as they call it with 4 WAN outlets in every home in a country so big attracted lots of laughs in many countries.
Latvia for example is supposed to lead the world. Haven't had a chance to go there.
Many European countries have councils that mandate every apartment to have a 5x5cm box with fibre. Tenants can then pick up a router of their choice and get on average 500 MBits/s unlimited data.
Home owners are considered richer and face extra cost. During Covid, affluent countries had their Netflix throttled to 1440 to ensure work from home users had all the data they needed. Abbott might have been narrow minded with the size of his home country but when you go to England your mobile speeds do rock. North Queensland had their 5G network compromised for 8 weeks now with average uploads below 2MBits/s and all Albo can do is create more henhouses that leak and fail and increase taxes.
@payless69: I'm not in the know re QLD outtages or issues, so won't comment on it beyond saying Gov is responsible for the policies on how telco companies operate. Telco companies themselves are responsible for the service you receive. Government can issue orders and fines if policies and shortcomings happen, EG the 1.5M fine for the Optus data breach.
I took umbrage with your comment blaming Albo for our current internet speeds. Putting boxes in houses doesn't do anything when you don't have the necessary fibre optic infrastructure in the streets. The random box shit we have in houses these days has a lot to dowith the mixed technology NBN roll out Abott created.
It takes a f'ing long time to roll out fibre across the whole country, many PM terms. We'd have it now if it weren't for onion eating Abott. To blame Albo, some bloke who has been in power 2 years is just silly. Abott is who you should be thanking for our dogshit internet, probably the worst PM we've ever had. Claiming it's Labor's shortcoming is just a complete untruth.
Think for yourself and know what you're talking about.
People don't like to do it these days. Easier to pick a side and go all in 100% and ignore any nuance.
Ironically, switching from FTTP to the mixed technology was technically a huge challenge, and the cost became greater than what it would of have been if they didn't (profanity) with the original Rudd FTTP roll out.
Yep, and experts were warning about this at the time! The costs associated with maintaining the 3 different technologies concurrently. What's more, I read an article back then about us actually rolling out NEW COPPER LINES after LNP got in :(
the Abbott LIBERAL government are to blame.
And it's worth pointing out that Malcolm Turnbull was communications minister at the time. He was tech savvy and still went along with it.
Every time my HFC drops out (several times per week), I think of the LNP in general lol.
If you voted liberal you got what you deserve. shit copper
What if we didn't, and ended up with shit copper anyway :(
how it will work like in NZ, all 100mbps plan will be upgraded to either 300 or 500mbps, upload rates are what are needed being a cloud age. it costs nbn and rsp's nothing for faster upload speeds
What's the time frame for these upgrades to take place?
Only proposal at this time. There is a consultation process running to mid April. Any changes wont be implemented until afer six months after that. Source Leaptel rep Whirlpool. Some time in 2025 ???
If leaptel jumps on it first they will gain a lot more customers. But knowing RSP's they will increase their hardware and shape traffic and then offset those costs to customers. There is no honest bones in this industry
They need consultants to tell them whether speeds should increase? I'll tell them for free.
It could be anywhere from late April to 12 months away.
nbn is proposing to introduce the accelerated speeds within the next 12 months and today issued an industry consultation paper and, in addition to canvassing a number of implementation considerations, it is seeking retailer input on the potential to introduce the changes even sooner.
It'll be a while yet.
It took them many months to negotiate rates with ISP's for the current deal that only came into effect in December and which includes a price bump in July… You can guarantee that this is intended to be implemented following the already agreed to price increase.
Maybe fix the slowest service they offer first???FTTN pricing keeps going up for crappy slow service
FTTN at least has an upgrade path to FTTP. Those of us on HFC will be stuck on HFC until the end of time thanks to the LNP.
They're doing it slowly.
Username does not check out lol
Why not symmetrical as in pretty much in all developed countries? 100/100 seems to be the cheapest and the lowest in Europe. Example: KPN (national provider in the Netherlands) 1000/1000 (yes, it's 1/1G) is 52 EUR = $87. They offer 4/4GB plans for 15EUR more.
We're soooo behind and yet NBN is announcing plans to keep us behind :(
announcing plans to keep us behind
Not even a plan … is a proposal …
Sounds soooooo far away …
HFC is highly asymetric. Download bandwidth is 5-10x higher than upload bandwidth. FttP gets put in the same bucket unfortunately, even though it's symmetrical.
We were on HFC cable pre NBN on 100/5, which really struggled with uploads but was otherwise blisteringly fast compared to our previous 4/1 ADSL connection in the previous property. With only 5Mbps up it wasn't hard to flood the upload and hobble the connection.
When NBN was finally rolled out we were first provided with FTTC and immediately jumped to 100/40 as the fastest option and while it wasn't any faster to download, but that upload made everything work that little bit better but more importantly opened the door to using online data backups or transferring large files while WFH without flooding and killing the connection for everyone. It worked pretty flawlessly through COVID with 5 people learning/working from home.
On that upload, yes for backups it's typically only the first backup that is going to provide a headache because most people aren't creating huge amounts of data every day. But doubling speeds from 10 to 20 or again to 40 makes a real impact with just how long it takes to upload something. Just downloaded 25GB of photos from your camera/phone? 5.5 hours to upload those to your backup if you maxed out the 10Mbps line, a shade under 1.5 hours on 40Mbps or 33 minutes on 100Mbps. For those on slower speeds, it's back to the good old days of leaving the computer running overnight to upload those files. Not impossible, but clearly a quality of life improvement with higher speeds.
We were then fortunate enough to be eligible for a FTTP upgrade, which we took up and jumped to a 1000/50 connection. For most things, most of the time it makes zero difference. WFH is about the same with files syncing in the background anyway and uploads are barely faster, but downloading that latest PlayBox games that's 100GB goes from hours to minutes. 20GB update… no problems! For everything else it's more of a luxury, but damn if it isn't nice.
On uploads, it's a real shame that it's not at least 1000/100 to give real uplift to the upload side when you step up in cost. I'd argue that it's not going to change what I use it for, but it's going to make it that much nicer. I know there is business offerings, but to get faster than 50Mbps upload I have to spend more and also achieve massively reduced download speeds (250/100)… Or massively more to maintain 1000 down (1000/400). Yes, faster uploads on retail plans would likely impact some businesses' decisions, but then the provider has to sell the greater support or access to QOS speed or something to differentiate and make those plans more attractive.
They won't increase the upload speed as it'll show how limited the HFC network is
I don't think symmetrical speeds will happen on residential NBN as its just not a priority for NBN Co I mean they don't even offer priority assistance on the network for people with security alarms etc or elderly people who need a working phone service aren't even supported. All the priority from NBN co goes to business customers.
I mean sure as RSPs we can offer 4G and 5G backup solutions but during serious storm activity or even just in the peak of summer when small regional towns are full of holiday makers the mobile networks are just over congested. Also they have limited backup power so proper fibre connectivity for residential customers would be a good thing even if the speeds were say 1000/400 instead of just 50Mbps it would be better then the current setup.
everyone has a mobile with 4g 5g no issue
Oh I was refering to having 4G or 5G built into the router without the user having to plug anything else in or do anything for instant backup for their NBN connection.
This is generally only available on business plans with a static IP.
But a few do offer some sort of backup for residential NBN.
most modems have sim car input of a USB dongle you can add to have redundant wan
Prefer them to just stop rising prices. Its getting harder and harder to find affordable plans. I dont need mega speeds. Just a reliable 50 Mbit plan, maybe max 100 Mbit but even thats overkill for me. Unless you keep hoping between providers, you are paying upwards of $80/month now. Was only $60-65 2-3 years ago. Only a hand full of providers doing those 6 months deal nows and wonder how longer they will continue.
Won't happen particularly with things like electricity and gas continuing to rise.
Not to mention all the Datacentres still use Diesel powered generators for when mains power goes out.
NBN cost will keep going up sadly. Government is simply a failure and waste so much tax payer money
Liberal Government
FTFY
High speed porn cams, perfect
In other developed countries that also build submarines:
https://boutique.orange.fr/internet/offres-fibre
Cheapest and slowest speed from not a cheap telco from France: 400Mbit/s↓ 400 Mbit/s↑ for €39.99 that is $66.66
Decent symmetrical speeds for a decent price. On fibre.
P.S.
BTW, according to https://theconversation.com/nbn-upgrade-what-a-free-speed-in…
NBN Co has indicated it would like to start providing the new higher speed products later this year, or early next year.
They probably wait for other developed countries to get rid of sub Gigabit symmetrical Internet from their offer such the announcement to offer more entertainment overseas.
We are on FTTP iiNet's 1000/50 or 1000/40 or whatever iiNet offer.
$149.99 / month
On Monday this week I got an email from iiNet saying that from March 2024 the monthly cost would reduce to $109.99
still expensive it should be costing $89 for 1000mbps in this country
Can suggest that we have symmetrical upload and download speeds?
The RSP's have gotta be loving this, they're going to get handed this cost free to them but will no doubt spin it in such a way that they'll need to pass on costs of handling more traffic etc to the consumers.
It's not really "cost free" to them though.
To support the full speed, their backhaul costs will increase, as will their CVC buy, cause NBN have to make their money..
The retailers will be able to start getting a bit creative though.
They could promote a 100/50, or 200/40 plan (which would be the 500/50 NBN plan in NBN's accounting, but maybe with ISP applied throttling and no additional CVC buy). Or perhaps throttled speeds in peak times, but unthrottled in off-peak.
As a consumer, it's going to get harder to compare like for like… a bit like ADSL2+ days.
CVC has been removed from the 100Mbps and above speed tiers.
This is a joke on NBN. Bare minimal speed increase and call it supercharged bst!!!
The upper limit for FTTP should be 10G not 1G. But that's never going to happen in this backward country
I'm the backwards man, the backwards man, I can walk backwards as fast as you can, I can walk backwards as fast as you can.
Oh you can buy 10GBPS fibre connectivity right now as a business customer. Not on NBN though, Telstra and TPG wholesale both offer it.
The price is not cheap though.
But if you have an ABN number and want 10GBPS connectivity to work from home that can be arranged.
Glad to see these faster upload speeds. Anyone know when these changes kick in?
Looking forward to having 100 upload
does this mean people who are on the 100mbps plan will auto upgrade to the 500/50 at the same price or slightly increase in price?
and also give option for people to remain on 100mbps at a lower price?
It will still be bottlenecked by backhaul, which for a lot of providers cant even acheive 100mbit during evening peak.
So you might see the higher speeds at 3am, but peak on a budget provider will be even worse than now.
And any premium provider guaranteeing the 500mbit evenings would need to increase prices a lot to buy more backhaul since that is seperate from the home cable speed cap.
This is incorrect as most providers have 10Gbps fibre back hall links now, some of our network providers have 40Gbps available.
So the new speeds won't be an issue maybe if you go with some backyard opperation with a 1Gbps link or below but yeah the standard ISPs won't be a problem.
The final details haven't been announced.
For those who want a political discussion.
Labor came into power in 2007 with a completely privatized Telstra holding the country to ransom.
They owned the copper, the conduit and the exchanges.
Labors only real option was to completely replace the Telstra network and devalue their asset. The best way to do that was to replace it with fibre. Labor held onto gov in 2010 and created NBNco.
Getting started wasn't going to be easy especially with an opposition determined to blow it all up. They did manage to get agreements with Telstra and Optus that meant it would continue when the libs got into power but management was replaced and the goal was to aim low. Recycle ptsn and cable, giving Optus and Telstra more money.
In the meantime countries took Labor's model and forged ahead while labor now has to fix the messs.
Quite an accurate summary. I still remember the blasé Telstra submission at the time
From what I remember, another factor was that Fibre NBN was a threat to Foxtel (Murdoch) because streaming services were popular in proper developed countries, which is why News Corp suddenly started smearing the government of the time.
Just get rid of the speed tiers at NBN level and make them all top supported line speed.
Plan performance then comes from the ISP backhaul congestion performance guarantees.
Hopefully it gets expanded to the lower tiers. I moved from a house with fttn to one with fttp but kept my 25Mbps with multiple ongoing monthly discounts due to my crap fttn experience. Can't bring myself to pay significantly more for any higher tiers yet
and yet we still get the same heavily capped upload bs
First they need to upgrade shitty FTTN, then talk about more speed
NBN should it one hope keep more people on 5g get fast mobile data get cheaper
My area was one of the last to be connected via fiber in 2014 before FTTN was rolled out. I initially signed up for 100/40, but then I realized I never came close to using full speed yet was paying $20 more per month for it. So I downgraded to 50/20. I could have gigabit connectivity for the last several years, but it just doesn't interest me. I would rather have a lower price, which isn't possible with NBN's strict pricing policies.
I doubt faster speeds will mean reduced costs. Chances are we'll see improved speed with a bump up in price.
A step in the right direction, Aussie internet is pitiful in comparison worldwide, even to our neighbours in SEA that started out with shittier internet but quicky leapfrogged us to 500Mbps to 2Gbps offered speeds.
Meanwhile we have 25Mbps to 50Mbps as a base speed. What a joke.
100/40 creaks at the seams when 4 people are using it to video conference and/or download.
Heck without QoS a fast download can bring everything else to its knees until you get to speeds that exceed what the upstream and source is capable of..