Sydney (via Tokyo) to Hiroshima Return Flights from $1049 (Fly May/Jun/Aug '24) @ All Nippon Airways

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  jv on 08/03/2024 - 23:29

  😲

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    Clear on 08/03/2024 - 23:39

    +14

    Don don don, donki!

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  laser on 08/03/2024 - 23:31

  +3

  I have been to 46 cities in last 8 years thanks to Ozb, and Hiroshma is one of them. I can still taste the Okonomiyaki I had there!

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    Clear on 08/03/2024 - 23:40

    Hiroshima style from Okonomimura!

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      laser on 09/03/2024 - 00:01

      Thanks for the memories that's where I went

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    Sirt on 09/03/2024 - 12:57

    12 bucks for a beer and more food than you can poke a stick at.
    lots of different versions of it too - unique to each chef.

    great city

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  Sleepycat3 on 09/03/2024 - 00:04

  Going in 2 weeks time, but not to Hiroshima. Want to go again, and I have not yet even left on my trip!

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    Clear on 09/03/2024 - 00:09

    +2

    I stayed in 8 cities late last year and that wasn't enough. So in a few weeks I'll be back to stay in 5 more.

    If the working conditions weren't so bad for foreigners I'd live there.

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      INFIDEL on 09/03/2024 - 00:49

      +1

      I enjoy life far outside of the cities - especially areas known for being the "Hidden Japan". Areas rich in traditional culture & few Foreigners.

      Travelled there so many times since 2005, from the islands North of Hokkaido to islands off Okinawa. So I've visited many cities in between.

      For me, cities are mainly convenient bases to explore a region. Not a destination.

      (Organised a celebration for a dying local in Kyoto, by taking him out with 14 Foreigners for his favourite - Okonomiyaki (Kansai style). Made him so happy.)

      Many locals have asked me to stay. There have been offers of marriage (to allow me to stay). Along with work - from graphic design to professionally performing Rakugo (traditional storytelling) - after I was shown on TV with both.
      And offers of very affordable housing to buy (eg with own hot spring near beautiful nature & golden beaches).

      ---

      But as with other favourite spots from decades of travels, I've found looking forward to returning outweighs staying long term.

      Staying can make things much more complex! I've talked to Foreigners who live there.

      Many I've met, stay in their "exotic" locations, hanging out only with other expats, doing what they do back home. Sort of defeats living somewhere different.
      And from what I've witnessed, some Japanese do laugh at them behind their backs!

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        jackspratt on 09/03/2024 - 02:01

        +1

        People can, and probably do, laugh behind your back in Oz.

        That's not a reason to avoid living in a different culture.

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          INFIDEL on 09/03/2024 - 02:07

          @jackspratt:

          People can, and probably do, laugh behind your back in Oz.

          Having performed on Japanese TV - I encouraged it😉
          As I have done here.

          Afterwards, Japanese approached me in the street saying I showed great respect & understanding.
          That is usually followed by ("but you'll never be Japanese")! I nod respectfully.

          ---

          That's not a reason to avoid living in a different culture.

          When staying outside a culture you are living in (as I described), as an expat - its very much NOT living in a different culture.

          It's living in the same culture they came from, just in a different country. A big difference it seems many don't understand!!

          They are oblivious to locals laughing about them as I've observed. As outsiders, who don't understand the complexities of the local culture.

          (e.g. Men who marry Japanese wives often learn the language from them. Not understanding the subtle differences in male & female speech.
          So they are laughingly referred to as "women". A common issue I've seen there. But unless you understand the differences, you don't understand why.)

          Even University trained Japanese language visitors can make social faux pas, that can cause great embarrassment for Japanese.

          ---

          I politely play with these cultural differences in countries, to better understand the culture.

          While volunteering in a tiny Myanmar village, was offered a flower by a young girl. I put it in my hair…
          Women stared at me, men laughed at me. I learnt the strong gender roles of the culture in minutes.

          My local friend told me wearing a flower in my hair MADE me a female. I pointed out his 'dress' (lungi / sarong ) might make him appear as a female in my culture. He couldn't believe that - "I tie it in the front - that makes me a MAN!" Tying to the side means you are a WOMAN!

          Foreigners seemed unaware of the local custom & didn't care. Chatted to many at a expat bar in Yangon. Left as the derogatory comments about the Myanmar people increased with the alcohol intake…
          Bloody Foreigners!

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            doobey1231 on 09/03/2024 - 16:00

            +1

            @INFIDEL: If you can deal with forever feeling like an outsider then you can survive in Japan just fine and live amongst the culture. I have friends there. One of which is Indian descent. 3 generations lived in Japan, he speaks fluent Japanese, has two children, a Japanese born wife. Until he talks people assume he is an outside and he still does not feel accepted in Japan, even though it is his home and he considers himself as Japanese as anyone else there, even though he may not present as Japanese.

            It’s quite a sad concept that he has to deal with every day in life. I suspect this is what you are referring too mainly? It hurts a lot but I think if you have a thick skin it is doable.

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              INFIDEL on 09/03/2024 - 17:50

              +1

              @doobey1231: If you look like a Foreigner - generally you will always be seen as an outsider in Japan.

              Koreans who have lived in Japan for generations, are picked on as outsiders. Despite the Royal family supposedly having Korean ancestry!

              But it plays very differently for the visitor. Older Japanese were taught to be respectful & polite to Foreigners.

              They allow mistakes by visitors - we just don't know how to behave in their culture! (I joke you could dance naked down the street. They're a Foreigner - what do you expect!!)

              It can be a delight to be so welcomed. Some may think that will continue if they move to Japan…

              Living there is a different matter for most. Especially for women.

              They expect more from people who have been there longer. Even down to food etiquette. (Half asleep, I added soy sauce to my bowl of rice at breakfast! The Japanese students at the table were in shock!!
              Apparently they were taught never to do that! Asked a PhD Japanese History student for an explanation - It breaks at least 2 ancient rules.
              The Japanese were too polite to point out my error beyond - "you like soy sauce…")

              Sadly, as much as we try - you'll never fit in. But it is worth trying. Learning aspects of the culture can be fascinating & personally rewarding.

              When I was shown on TV performing story telling in the traditional Japanese style of Rakugo, I was highly praised. My photo was on posters advertising a Rakugo event in Kobe.

              I later realised that praise was for the novelty of a European looking Foreigner attempting an ancient Japanese art form. Like a cute child performing their party piece in front of the adults. I felt patronised.
              As I observed in my Teacher's class for Japanese students- it takes years to master! Pupils are criticised until their performance is perfect! A very Japanese way, foreign to us.

              As I commented, even when praising your understanding & respect for their culture, you will likely be told "but you'll never be Japanese"!
              And that the Japanese culture is too difficult for a Foreigner to ever master!

              Unlike here, there are few support services. The obvious homeless are generally unseen. (Developed from closely living together in the Edo period. Personal privacy should be respected.)
              So I have distributed clothes & food in slum areas. Culturally, a rapport needs to be built up before that so there is no disrespect. And provided support (like the dinner for a dying man, above).

              Sadly, it can be a lonely place for Japanese & others living there. But Japan is not the only country like that.

              I prefer to keep Japan as a special treat, visiting for months at a time , rather than forge a new life there.

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              INFIDEL on 16/03/2024 - 17:26

              @doobey1231: Living in Japan may suit introverts more than extroverts…

              Getting to know Japanese people there, as friends can take a long time. Which can make for a lonely experience in Japan. Especially so for those used to easily meeting & enjoying the company of others here. (Like I do.)

              It took years (over many trips) for my rice farmer friend to open up & joke with me. Otherwise he only expressed himself openly when very drunk.

              When I met a Professor of Politics on a trip with his Uni students, I thought it was an opportunity to discuss the broad field of Japanese Politics. Was met with "We Japanese don't discuss such matters!"

              And as thoughts aren't discussed between Japanese, it may be assumed what one thinks is what everyone thinks!! Has led to some embarrassingly racist remarks😜

              Honne & Tatemae
              Japanese culture discourages sharing of personal thoughts, feelings & opinions (本音, hon'ne).
              Here, that is what we expect in close relationships. And very unlike open discussions on Ozbargain!!

              Rather, much more acceptable public opinions (建前, tatemae) are expressed - so as not to cause offense.

              Japan is a high uncertainty avoidance culture Australia is low on that scale.
              Few there risk stepping out of line or offending others. Unlike here.
              That can be misinterpreted by visitors as unusually "friendly" & helpful. It's simply polite & helping keep order.

              [With a degree in Social Psychology, (have designed & conducted an experiment in cross-cutural norms), am likely more aware of this than most visiting Japan.]

              Visitors to Japan may be approached by outliers in that culture, to discuss matters that normally can't be discussed in the culture. (I am regular approached. Such as the dying man I helped in Kyoto)

              Experiences with local Japanese, may seem very different for the visitor, than to those staying long term.

              So, Foreign introverts may more easily fit the Japanese culture. Where keeping to yourself & having rules & set behaviors in interactions are the norm.
              More spontaneous people may fit in at the margins of Japanese society… Possibly as novelties as I have experienced… Which may not be tolerated long term when living there.

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          INFIDEL on 09/03/2024 - 03:11

          +1

          @jackspratt: While in S Korea, I wore one of my travel t-shirts I am known for. (I print my name phonetically in the local language.)
          I had checked the phonetic use of characters with my long time friend - a former Vice Consul for SK here.

          What I didn't know was the Hangul also meant a slow intimate dance. Young women pointed at me & laughed, behind their hands. As if to say - "as if I'd dance with you like that!!"

          My local friend was concerned they were laughing at me. I just responded that I was glad to be a source of amusement - like a comedian. I laughed along with them😄

          Again, it helped me to better understand Hangul & the local culture.
          I kept wearing the t-shirt & people took selfies with me😊

          Very different to people being unaware of their cultural mistakes because they weren't part of the culture they are living in!

          Had a few words with the Diplomat - she knew what she was doing😉

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      INFIDEL on 09/03/2024 - 01:58

      Another perspective on work in Japan at the moment…

      Young people in Japan are leaving for Australia in droves, as the local economy enters recession and cost of living rises out of step with wages.

      And Karoshi - death by overwork!

      Japanese are usually shocked that I can afford to travel overseas for months a year, when they work long hours often 6 days a week, for short holidays.

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  shane23 on 09/03/2024 - 02:25

  +1

  Nice Hilton there brand new

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  BusaKaine on 09/03/2024 - 09:01

  Great deal, but title while adjusted is also incorrect. This is not a direct flight, you even state “via Tokyo”, that immediately precludes this from being a direct flight which is a single flight between two destinations.

  I can say went direct Brisbane to Honolulu (via Fiji)…

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    Clear on 09/03/2024 - 09:08

    +1

    You're right. Fixed.

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  Wiadro on 09/03/2024 - 09:17

  +3

  I’m in Japan now, it’s epic.
  Public transport is easy as
  The people are all lovely
  The food is amazing
  It’s nice and cold still
  The public toilets are spotless compared to Aussie standards.
  I will be coming back

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    ozilicious on 09/03/2024 - 12:54

    Went for the food, returned for the toilets

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      funeste on 09/03/2024 - 19:14

      Epic toilets

      https://www.instagram.com/p/CzWJ7Q_h6QG

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  hardya on 09/03/2024 - 09:17

  ANA are a good airline?

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    Clear on 09/03/2024 - 10:05

    +4

    One of the best and beats any Aussie airline. JAL is the best for economy seat room.

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      adam7070 on 09/03/2024 - 18:26

      eh, good airline but not necessarily better. I've flown all 3 to tokyo in economy, QF & ANA in business. In economy JAL takes the crown, easily. ANA and QF are both about equal for me but ANA runs the 787 on both slots which is nice.

      In business, ANA doesn't rank higher than Qantas business for me. Firstly the cabin is not as good looking, and the quality of service between ANA and QF business was noticeable. ANA biz didn't even offer me breakfast before landing in Tokyo after a red eye…just a few slices of watermelon. LOL. And the dinner meal after departing SYD was genuinely worse than their economy meal I've had before. One of the most mediocre business class travel experiences I've had to date, even Lufthansa was better. They need to learn from Qatar or Qantas, they feed you quality food till your belly explodes.

      People give qantas a lot of shit but their service is top notch, albeit not the most reliable.

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        Clear on 09/03/2024 - 18:41

        This is a deal on economy and not business. Straight up ANA beats Qantas in economy when it comes to luggage. Plus better toilets and service.

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          adam7070 on 09/03/2024 - 23:49

          @Clear: No yeah I completely agree with that. For economy, I'd pick ANA over QF too. +1 on reliability, +1 on more modern planes and +1 on a very efficient online check-in system, +1 on free seat selection throughout the whole plane, even exit row - and finally the extra bag. I've never had to wait in line at ANA bag drops either.

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      Wiadro on 09/03/2024 - 23:13

      JAL eco is like old school business class
      Tbh

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  BatmanAU on 09/03/2024 - 10:31

  If anyone has the time and wants to help a fellow OzB out, I’m looking at taking the kids over in Aug/Sept and have never organised a holiday in my life (insert divorce certificate here), we are looking at Osaka, so need help with accommodation for 6 and things to do, happy for pm’s

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    koakun on 09/03/2024 - 11:24

    +1

    I do not recommend to travel between middle August and early October.
    It is typhoon season.

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      BatmanAU on 09/03/2024 - 12:18

      Unfortunately due to work/study commitments, we can all only go in September:(

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  davidinho on 09/03/2024 - 10:39

  -2

  I'm in Hiroshima right now. Not worth coming here, but everywhere else in Japan is awesome so far!

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    circusmonkii on 09/03/2024 - 11:04

    +2

    Mate, I have to disagree.
    It's a good get away from all the touristy cities like Osaka or Tokyo. Definitely a good change of scenary.

    On top of that the costs are not bloated like the other cities. Hotels are value for money. Food and anime stuff are also cheaper compared to Tokyo.

    3 days is enough to see all the main attractions

    Top attractions:
    Hiroshima atomic bomb dome/museum - right in the city within walking distance.

    Miyajima - great place to chill. Best if you stay for a night at one of the hotels there. World heritage site. Remember to head to the top for some more shrines and sky rope

    Hiroshima Castle - even though it is rebuilt, still a nice visit as it is next to the CBD

    Hondori - in the CBD, shops during the day and some nice bars at night. I always hit up Ken's Bar which is owned by this nice fella who is fluent in Japanese English and Spanish. 500yen for all the drinks.

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      Clear on 09/03/2024 - 11:46

      Don't forget ground zero behind a 7/11. No one goes there 😅

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        laser on 09/03/2024 - 18:08

        It was just a stone plaque in front of a hospital

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    Clear on 09/03/2024 - 11:40

    Hiroshima is good for a first timer who wants to see the touristy cities. Osaka, Tokyo and Kyoto. Repeated visits? Nah far better ones.

    Still a good gateway to other cities now that the JR pass is a rip off.

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  shane23 on 09/03/2024 - 11:27

  +3

  Hiroshima is definitely worth going there. I been there three times and going back again in may with five kids . Go to the dfo it’s very cheap there I brought Nike tech fleece shorts there for 15 bucks. The atom bomb site is a good visit and the building that still standing .

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    Sirt on 09/03/2024 - 13:01

    +1

    Don't forget Miyajima

    Hiroshima castle.

    And, if you are into cars, you can visit the Mazda Museum.

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  hdus002 on 09/03/2024 - 18:45

  How do you avail of the free domestic flights? I tried a sample itinerary in the 01/08 - 09/08 date range:
  Leave Sydney on 01/08 to Hiroshima
  Leave Hiroshima on 04/08 to Tokyo (domestic)
  Leave Osaka on 08/08 to Hiroshima (domestic)
  Leave Hiroshima on 09/08 to Sydney

  However, the price quoted was $2583, which suggests the domestic legs weren't free?

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    Clear on 09/03/2024 - 18:48

    You've added a whole lot of extra flights there. It should be:

    Sydney to Haneda
    Haneda to Hiroshima
    Haneda to Sydney.

    The search on the bottom of the link will give you these flights.

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      hdus002 on 09/03/2024 - 22:58

      Thanks!

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  callmekev on 13/03/2024 - 12:47

  Just checked with SYD -> HND with flights to osaka. Works with same price, except it routes us through
  SYD->HANEDA
  HANEDA -> KOBE
  ITAMI -> HANEDA
  HANEDA -> SYD