GWM are currently offering an EOFY discount on all brand new 2023 models in stock.
Discounts are available on the Haval H6 & Jolion (and the discount amount will vary on the trim level of the car). Also there are smaller discounts available on new 2024 models as well.
This deal is hot hot hot
Who doesn't love a good pun.
hot garbage
You need a standing ovation
Definitely not garbage. I own a H6 Hybrid, it's been absolutely perfect so far. I paid $40K for mine and for that money you get a LOT of car. A comparable RAV4 model is over $50K.
It has a 7-year unlimited km warranty and an 8-year warranty on the hybrid battery, so you can see they stand behind their vehicles.
What's not to love?
She call me Mr. Boombastic, tell me fantastic…
Currently? Been going on for months now
This is the Heymix of cars.
Top of the line in utility sports,
unexplained fires are a matter for the courts,
HAVA-AL {WHIP CRACKS} HAVA-AL
Lol. That's a good one.. Hehehe
They had the same discount from 1st January to 31st March. Price went up a little bit (about $500) for about 3 days and the new price was meant to be in place until end of June. Guess they decided that they weren't going to make any more sales unless they dropped the price again.
yeah but it's Haval. no thanks.
Why's that?
You need a time machine to go back to the 70s to read it as "i'm not buying a japanese car".
I'm too young to know what the actual vibe was back then, but were Japanese cars actually pieces of shit early on, like Chinese cars are/were?
Because as someone born in 1990 I was under the impression the likes of Honda and Toyota pretty much always had a good reputation for reliability?
@Binchicken22: Japanese cars before 1970 are Jap crap. In the 1970's they dramatically improved. By 1980 Japanese cars were great.
@Binchicken22: @Binchicken22 Same was said about Japanese cars in the 60s/70s (Toyota, Datsun/Nissan), then the same about Korean cars in the 80s/90s (eg. Hyundai Excel, Kia). History repeats. The turn around from average quality to high(er) quality is much faster these days.
Samsung and LG (Former Lucky Goldstar companies) were poor quality companies that supplied the name brands parts before they went out on their own and lifted their game/quality.
That won't stop people and their biases. Sure there's lots of crap quality things made in China. There's plenty of top quality stuff made there too and they have all the IP for them now ;-) It's pretty naive to think they can't produce competitive products given their current knowledge and capability.
@daydream: Yeah, but i dont want to be the consumer guinea pig. I wanna see the reliability of these cars from chyna over 10-15 years first before i start huying them.
@daydream: The Hyundai Excel was actually a great car, stood up well enough to use as race cars. And those guys can't modify them much from the original spec.
@DannyBoy: So
Toyotas with DPF issues (massive class action), suspension prone to collapsing transmission problems
Hyundais with paint issues and engines that catch on fire
Kias with engines that catch on fire
But you're right they all have great build quality!
I'm sorry but once you take off the rose coloured glasses they're not the incredibly reliable brands that they once were.
@Drakesy: You forgot to add the death trap that is the LG chem batteries used on EVs and now home batteries.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/12/lg-chem-to-pay-up-to-1point9…
https://www.drive.com.au/news/the-1-13-billion-recall-hyunda…
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/proposed-compulsory-re…
@Drakesy: Yep and the same can be said for almost every manufacturer.
Have any of you had to go for a warranty claim on one of these so called great Chinese cars? On paper their so called 7yr warranty sounds great until you actually go down the path of using it
This isn't even a case of get what you pay for. The recently released MG5 looks great on paper until you find out it received 0 stars from ANCAP yep zero, nada nothing. Great result for a 2024 vehicle
And not to say they don't make a good one here and there. They definitely surpass the likes of Jeep, Chrysler and quite a few Volkswagens but overall they are a disposable vehicle.
And let's not forget the EVs are still young to the market, I have a strong feeling most will be subject to major faults down the line
@DannyBoy: Did you check the ANCAP ratings for GWM cars? You will be surprised. Many of them are rated based on recent ANCAP standards, not from 5+ years ago.
@3d3e3fae: Can't say I have sorry. We have 3x GWM 4wds at work, all varying in trim level and age and I can't say I would ever recommend one.
The TrailRider has been out of commission coming up 6 months now. With only 80,000ks the diff gave up after waiting months for the replacement part they fitted it and realised it was an incorrect part. Once it was all finished and repaired the clutch gave in only weeks later. And even worse the electronics are rubbish, head unit is absolute rubbish, power folding mirror issues, seats are guaranteed to put your back out amongst other issues. Surprisingly though it achieves decent fuel economy.
@DannyBoy: Oh my boy. why do you use a MG to compare with a GWM?
MG is a shit car in China, but no idea why it is so popular in Aus/ Oversea……
@Drakesy: Hilux has dpf issues but not sure about the new Hilux.
There is no perfect car under $120k. We have been going through cars to buy between $66k - 90k and they all have problems.
Considering an Isuzu dmax 2024 now but that has steering nuckle problems.
@altomic: My 19 years X-Trail did not have the issues. Once a tyre shop told me to book for CVT issues and I left it. Then I used it for more than 8 years and had tyres replaced twice and those shops did not say it needs any work on CVT. So probably it did not have any issues.
I thought I'd jump in as an actual Haval H6 owner (well it's my partner's car through a novated lease, but I drive it frequently).
We nearing 10,000km from new now and my initial thoughts are mostly positive.
We got the top of the range model which cost a little under $40k but comes with a lot of features you'll find for twice the price on some of the euro equivalents vehicles. Also got some options like roof racks etc, all very reasonable priced.
How it's handles.
It handles ok, it's quite punchy off the line and more than enough power to overtake with confidence, it's certainly no where near as refined as some of the better Japanese or euro stuff in the same class, but it's certainly good enough for the price point.
Comfort.
It's quite comfortable, we've done multiple 5 hour plus road trips in it and we just had our first child, plenty of room for car seats, car capsules etc. the adaptive cruise control and lane assist feature make longer road trips easy, though I've found that it's far too conservative on the safety side of things. It seems to brake to a much lower speed than needed when cornering on cruise and also it isn't very smooth in predictive driving to traffic ahead in terms of acceleration and brakes compared to other cars if driven.
Interior.
It actually feels quite luxurious inside, far more than is warranted for the price point. Headed and ventilated seats are great. Sunroof is adequate, plenty of leg room.
Tech
There some funny and annoying Chinese quirks to the car that might take some getting used to, like, like the access to the climate control is a pain on the ass sometimes, and the volume control for the sound can only be accessed on the steering wheel and not by passengers. Everything else is pretty good with android auto handling most things we need.
I could go on but it's late and I have a newborn. If anyone has any serious ownership questions I'm more than happy to answer them if I can. Please note this is only a relatively new car for us so take everything with a grain of salt as I have limited time to draw on as yet.
volume control for the sound can only be accessed on the steering wheel and not by passengers
That’s not true, volume can be changed through the infotainment by passengers.
Is it halal?
Yes if you pay with halal money
Lionel Richie: Halal! Is it meat you're looking for?
I use everything made in China. 😎
women ?
Any bargain?
Haha!
MG has reduced too
Build Quality ,
or lack there of .
Is Ora any good?
Is Oral any good?
Only where is no teeth involved.
I spent some time messing around with the Haval H6 Hybrid and non-Hybrid. The non-Hybrid is a bit of an awkward drive but not terrible. The Hybrid drives much better but still feels like the suspension and driving dynamics are a bit off.
The build quality is better than you would expect, but still feels lacking compared to the competitors. The synthetic leather feels fake. The "soft touch" areas feel like they've thrown thin pleather over concrete. Build wise I would put it in line with the current MG SUVs.
It's not terrible though. For the price, it's actually really decent. Seats are comfortable (but need more leg support), infotainment is excellent. And the 7 year warranty provides some peace of mind.
But there's still risks. Not just the risk of the company collapsing. There's also a bad resale value, and the risk that you'll have to fight to get them to recognise that a leaky sunroof or constantly restarting infotainment is an actual fault and not something you did. And the fact that the systems are so heavily powered/electrical, means there's more difficulty figuring out what failed.
If you want to save money, may still be worth it.
Sssshhhh, you will hurt many peoples feeling by talking about these cars as if they are actually reasonably priced for a reasonably quality vehicle.
I should note that I'm really focusing on the negatives. There's professional comparisons out there from when the hybrid H6 was first released, that compared it to the Rav 4. The H6 won some things, the Rav 4 won others (mainly fuel economy), and the Rav 4 only won over all because they were similarly priced.
Since then the Rav 4 has increased in price by around $10k. The Haval H6 has dropped $2k. Even more if you get the older model. So it's not exactly terrible. It's just risky.
systems are so heavily powered/electrical
and more things that could fail
But there's still risks. Not just the risk of the company collapsing.
Given their sales trajectory i highly doubt GWM is going anywhere.
VW and the euro's however seem to be trending down and may be going the same way as nokia.
But i do agree their after sales service can be a bit hit and miss. (not that my LDV has had any issues in getting warranty repairs - when needed).
…just like fighting any car company if there's a problem ;-) At least they offer a 7 year warranty and fixed price servicing. Not everyone wants to resell a vehicle after a few years. I dare say many bargain shoppers on here (like me) would use a car like an appliance, till it gets too old or is too expensive to repair if it breaks down, rather than just turnover cars every 3-4 years for people that like to lose money with each changeover but want to be in new model cars. After 7+ years you're well ahead compared to the premium on equivalent models from other brands that resale value is much less of an issue.
The bigger brands seem to be having more quality issues these days and definitely plenty more recalls than GWM brands but everyone should do their own research in select a vehicle that suits their own needs/preferences.
Wait why company collapse? They are top 20 car manufacturer in the world. Larger than subaru and mazda
Local was what I meant. Much like Chery, GWM will keep going even though the Chinese market is struggling right now. They still have other big markets including a good foothold in South Africa.
The problem is if it starts costing GWM more than they make. If that happens then the Australian market loses viability and GWM leave the market. It has happened to many car companies in Australia.
Not that it's just a Chinese branded thing. Nissan has lost so much of the market share that many expected them to leave Australia soon. Fortunately the new models they released recently (X-Trail and Qashqai updates) have been decent sellers. Mainly 'cause people don't want to wait 18 months for a Rav 4
infotainment is excellent
Probably the easiest to achieve but least important when comparing to ride comfort and handling dynamics.
See lots in central metro area of sydney. Are they any good, reliable, fun to drive?
Good is debatable. Reliable… So far there hasn't been many issues. But they haven't been around long. Fun to drive? That's pretty subjective. They generally have decent torque. The Hybrids have masses of torque. More than you get from the Toyota competitor vehicles. But the suspension is too soft to be real sporty. And no one really buys an SUV for fun driving except if it's a off-roader, or something like the Cupra Atteca.
the real reliability will be seen when the mass amounts that are being sold for cheap go past their warranty periods and 150000+km
Yep. The one fortunate thing is that the warranty period is 7 years unlimited kms. I think the bigger risk is resale value.
If they all start developing problems then that 7 year warranty is going to cost GWM massively. The gremlins along with GWMs potential financial issues means that there's no chance of getting any more than scrap if the issues arise.
But on the flip side, we said the same about Kia and Hyundai 10 years back and now they're two of the most trusted brands in Australia.
@GunnerMcDagget: I wouldn't consider $51M market capitalisation and doubling their domestic dealership network in less than one year indicative of potential finance issues. They've also been building SUVs for 15+ years, selling huge numbers on the mainland, and GWM Australia is now factory backed, apparently.
I wouldnt buy new, but 1-3 years old in that range they look like good value assuming I dont have to deal with issues.
@jihape: This is the thing. New cars are great when everything works, when you buy used cars from less established brands, you run the risk of not having the parts when you want them, priced astronomically due to low volumes, or worse still, having no one left if they decide to exit the market completely.
This is not just for Chinese manufacturers. Take a look at Infiniti (Nissan), Ssangyong, Opel, or Proton.
See lots in central metro area of sydney.
Always some middle aged bogan who seems to think they’re super important rushing to their kids soccer game. BMW driver vibes, minus the nice car.
I have a H6 Lux 2022. LOVE IT!! only 3 things that I don't like are : 1. ACC. On Bends it's positively dangerous. This has been reported to Haval and the relevant Government Authority. 2. ELK, it's just stupid on country roads, I turn it off EVERY time. 3. Too much touch screen, give me back some buttons!!!. Apart from that I love my H6, price point is awesome, features are awesome, warranty is awesome. comfortable, quiet, drives nice, great country MPG. 360 cameras are awesome. Would I buy another Haval.. Hell yeah!!
I have the h6 Ultra - or whatever the top end is…the ELK is (profanity) horrible. A dash mounted volume control would be huge - changing the volume as a passenger is a chore - we just get the driver to use the steering wheel control as it's easier.
I think they are value for money - the sound system definitely trumped a lot of competitors.
Also the assisted parking is dogshit - but I find them all to be useless - just park your own car.
Also the auto clutch system took some getting used to - ensure the auto hold is on or you will roll backwards.
Yeah this was my take,
The adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist on many chinese SUV's is trash. Mine will brake around corners.
Other than that they're fantastic value for money and mine's been reliable to boot.
Mine will brake around corners.
The 2023 models have the option to turn this off, the setting is called “smart cornering”.
@WoodYouLikeSomeCash: Dont you have to turn this off every time you start the car though? I did see some youtube test videos where they mentioned that the setting didnt remain after restart.
@MangoMadness: Yes you have to turn it off each time its annoying and ridiculous.
I was turning off all the front driving assist options because it will detect grasses and blown objects and brake.
The ACC (Automatic Cruise Control) and ELK are downright dangerous. The ACC literally brakes IN CORNERS scaring other drivers and making me think I was about to crash on cold/wet roads.
@Telios: The ELK has to turn on every time you start the vehicle, it’s a mandatory rule now to achieve a 5 star ANCAP.
@MangoMadness: Nope, not in the 2023 H6 Ultra Hybrid model. It was off by default for me and you never have to turn it off. Based on all the bad reviews about the smart cornering, I have never tried to turn it on.
@MangoMadness: Nope, you only need to turn it off once those reviewers must have confused it with ELK.
@WoodYouLikeSomeCash: Actually looks like either a software update or 2023 models fixed it.
2021/22 were still an issue (drove one a few weeks ago)
The 2023 H6 Ultra Hybrid model definitely has this fixed, I actually find the reverse true now which is annoying as I bought the car for it's safety features and they are all too subtle, the ELK is so weak! Might need to crank it up from normal to max sensitivity and see how it goes. I like how lane centering automatically turns on at 60km/h+ (only if you want it) unlike in the RAV4 which will only turn on if you've got cruise control on.
Smart cornering is turned off by default for me so it doesn't slow down on the corners at all unless it goes outside the line because it's too sharp/fast. This is basically the same in all the other similar cars, they just can't beat a human.
100% agree my god the ACC is so dangerous I was joking that the CCCP is trying to assassinate me when I was driving around the alpine areas and it would accelerate into negative camber blind corners and brake on wide, long, open corners.
ELK is just terrible no matter what setting you pick for it.
Ridiculous that air con has no physical buttons for fan/temp but has 2 for defog.
Also hated the stupid 360 camera and model, but you can turn it off/modify it.
I had a rental for two days, couldn't wait to give it back. Horrible, with the over the top electronics/controls.
Yup looks like most of the rental fleet are 2021/2022 models.
But absolutely poisoned my view of the brand and models.
Having to drive long distances and mixed sealed/unsealed roads really started to annoy me.
might be due to clearing stock for the new model coming later this year
https://www.drive.com.au/news/new-haval-h6-coming-to-austral…
Ngl
Could whack a lexus badge on it and wouldn't know the difference
Yeah you could have told me that was a Hyundai too. They really nailed the "Bland SUV" styling.
Just the end of year plate clearance I think. Most companies do it. For example, 2023 plate Hyundai Tucson's are currently $1,500 off.
I was actually going to buy a 2024 H6 ultra hydrid this month. Should I wait for the new one guys?
Yes, wait for another year for plugin hybrid, I have heard that it's Pure EV 200km range
Based on the vote, there is a clawn that everyone on this bargain site is trying to avoid :-)
Sorry, I don't know what that means?
Sorry, I think we were all unaware of your cognitive impairment symptoms, and we should not have laughed at you.
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Haval backwards is lavaH