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@gadget: Isn't that the entire point of running a business? You want to outcompete the competition. The EU and the United States also subsidise their industries. They just don't do it as good as the Chinese. Sounds like their problem.
The first step is to transfer all your money from the big 4 banks and deposit to your nearest Bank of China
VW didn't want import duties on Chinese cars as it will affect their sells in China. The stupid neocon government did it.
Should consumers care about who pays a portion of the car that otherwise they are supposed to pay? Thank you Chinese government. Lol
Just like many industries, if the subsidy results in competition leaving the market permanently, then prices rise later forever.
A huge range of examples in Australia from supermarkets to banks to airlines to telcos.
@mskeggs: That's valid when "protecting" local industries from free market. Chine competes in the world with many companies. If they bring better value why would we care? If businesses/people save on cars we can invest the money on other productivity. If you save on un-iPhone you can have better time/holiday. Simple economics ;)
@taki: I generally agree, but if Chinese makers are able to drive competition out globally - which seems possible as both some American and European makers look shaky, the companies left standing will be left with fewer reasons to be competitive.
Do you think Boeing and Airbus are unhappy if the average cost of planes rises?@taki: No, the principle is the same whether we are talking local or overseas businesses. Once your choice is curtailed then the inevitable price rises will occur. Simple economics.
People talk about China subsidising their car manufacturers as if no other countries do it - they all do!
America literally bailed out their car industry during the GFC to the tune of billions, and they still, for the most part, produce overpriced rubbish.
@ak hunter: Yes, Make Australia Better Again if we stop being their puppets ;) BRICS (9+13++) will solve his phantasies
@ak hunter: Lol trump only cares about himself. He's motivation to becomming president is to excuse himself and stay out of jail.
@lplau: Unfortunately, the more you attack trump, the more his supporters support him. Victim mentality is common in fragile masculinity.
@zubzub: It's possible to see that Trump only cares about himself, and by extension those who put money in his pockets.
The problem with this argument is that it's no longer apparent how he is different from the other side.
@[Deactivated]: Guy has enough money for a million lifetimes, so makes that a little hard to believe. I’m not saying he is a saint and there aren’t possibly other motives, but overall he wants to do what he says and make America great again.
The rhetoric about him is so ridiculous and over the top. I know I won’t convince anyone who has their beliefs set is stone already but 4 years will pass quick and hopefully people will wake up and realise he isn’t the devil. I mean that’s already been proved but maybe another 4 years will prove it further.
@zubzub: Trump is very hard for me to get behind. He's a bigget and divisive. That should be enough but… He distracts his followers by talking about sensational fictional incidents that aren't even strategically important if true - e.g. one fake incident of immigrants eating pets. There's a reason why he talks slowly and repeats himself - he ain't talking to the smartest folks in the country. They love the name calling. He's sensational and populist so I can see the attraction from that point of view but this is about running the most powerful country in the world (that we are partnered with}, not entertainment. He incites violence. He's a can't accept an election loss. Suggests injecting disinfectant. Yet people still listen.
That should be enough to dissuade people but there's plenty more.
Not sure how you look past all this stuff.
@reu: The people eating pets thing was incorrect, but it wasn’t a lie. A lady did eat a cat and people were reporting missing pets being taken by immigrants. He repeated wrong information but wasn’t lying. You may think Trump isn’t smart but we’ve had a decade of him being deliberately hunted for only really a handful of stupid examples. We have dozens for Kamala and she has only been in the spotlight for a few months. Give me some examples of how he is a bigot exactly?
Not sure how you look past all this stuff.
People aren't voting for Trump, they are voting against a party that hates their culture and doesn't care about them.
Instead of saying 'there are good reasons we need to allow abortion', they say ' life begins when we say it does and anyone who believes it begins at conception is stupid because your religion is stupid.
Instead of saying 'we need to manage illegal immigration while allowing legal immigration', they tell you that anyone who wants voter ID to be mandatory is a racist.
Put yourself in the shoes of one of the millions of people in middle America who is trapped in poverty since the rust belt collapsed, while being told 'you live in the richest country in the world', watching investment banks get billion dollar bailouts, and keep getting fed stories about corruption and government overreach by the billionaire class who are the biggest beneficiaries of 'small government'.
The left never addresses your concerns and constantly gasslights you, telling you that all your problems are because you are an uneducated stupid racist, even though you can see with your own eyes that your parents with less education were far more better off.
The right acknowledges ALL your problems AND promises to fix them.
Who would you vote for?
The culture war isn't just a meme, its real because both sides live it. There is a reason civil war isn't a joke anymore. It's because people simply refuse to empathise with the other side.
VW has collapsed because Germany stopped importing cheap RU gas and their industry crashed as a result - nothing to do with China
also add VW has INCREASED their prices while others have lowered them and you get to where they are now.MG was caned when they were a UK company for churning out mediocrity towards the end of their lifespan. Good to see nothing has changed, same crap, just cheaper now.
China is not mediocre UK. They learn fast how to produce better than even Japan ;)
@taki: The MG3 is the worst car I’ve ever driven. It even managed to be worse than the Chevrolet Malibu i drove for a week and that’s saying something.
3 star ANCAP rating too, pretty scary considering the MG3 barely accelerates, so you’re completely cooked if you need to get out of the way quickly.
Nice one
VW's sales have collapsed in China
Oh so selling VWs in Australia at luxury car prices isn't propping them up? What a shame.
what are you talking about? You give yourself too much credit lol, the Chinese gov does not subsidise Aussie consumers. Like, seriously, why do people believe in this crap?
The Chinese government is an investor in MG. Investor money subsidised Uber and other ride share services for years. Is it such a surprise that investor money gets used in the same way in another industry?
Factory closures and the German de-industrialisation in general is happening because there is no cheap energy anymore. Someone blew up their gas pipe.
So the company that gave us Dieselgate is reaping the crop from its shonkies and lack of innovation.
Oh dear, how sad, lets move along now……
Cooldog's post history is interesting. Basically all his posts are pro-China propaganda.
wow you weren't kidding
I guess that is what makes them cool to the CCP.
Social credit farming…
They exist… Eg, People who are "sponsored" to post pro China stuff. On the other hand, there seems to be people who are paid/make their living posting anti China stuff as well.
Wait for Peter Dutton to take over the PM role and charge the Chinese cars on 100% tariff.
Protecting the non-existent AU industry? We only sell rocks, lobsters & wine (~ opium wars ;)
Canada has a non-existent CA car industry as well.
They just followed the master.
PD will do the same.
@salin: Canada makes a heap of vehicles in Ontario. One of the biggest employers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Canad…@mskeggs: Canada mostly assembles cars which China can do much cheaper. If they tariff the better value cars, they will be left with inferior products & their businesses/people will suffer. Just like the US in the longer term.
@taki: I don't disagree with economic competitiveness, but I can also see why the Canadians don't want half a million people unemployed in the short term.
There is every reason to believe Chinese labour advantages will be lesser in future, and having an industry able to take advantage then will be useful.
North American makers have old factories and high labour costs. In 15 years China will have old factories and higher labour costs and be more vulnerable to competition if any remains.
@mskeggs: Good to know. However, it’s clear that the Canadian car industry heavily relies on the U.S. car industry.
Ahh well, time to ride my lobster to work
Yup, Trump will say "jump" and Dutton will say "how high?"
Good news if you're in the market for a Ford or GM though
Every time I've driven a hire MG though, the cars feel absolutely terrible. Definitely cheap and nasty, but are certainly cheap
For someone in the $20k bracket that's all they want/need. 10 year warranty means the car effectively can depreciate to zero in 10 years and it'll only cost $2k a year.
Plus rego, insurance, servicing and consumables.
Isn't that the same as when MG was still British owned?
The irony is that they're probably more reliable since then as well
Two social points for you.
Keep it up and you might be able to send money overseas.Made by workers who earn 10 percent of German workers without any protections. It’s not as simple as you make it out to be
why isn't India making them cars lol, don't be stupid, they have better factories and better robot than the rest of the world.
It's called economy of scale, go look it up in the dictionary.Don’t be stupid? India has mahindra and most cars in India are from their own manufacturers. I’ve seen them everywhere here driving around since they brought them in a year or so ago. You sound foreign. Probably a China chill, a Winnie the pooh fan. Go look up mahindra smartypants
without justification
the justification, especially in the case of Toyota, is: people keep buying them anyway
what will happen to all these cars in 5 years if they start breaking down ? I hope warranty isnt like aliexpress..
And even if you don't like the idea of Chinese vehicles, competition is good for consumers and prices.
also the cheapest feeling and driving car on the market. worst car i ever drove (hire car)
I thought 'Excite' was a bit of an ambitious title.
I have had several as hire cars and they are truly awful. Cheap feeling, finnicky entertainment unit, and bordering on dangerously slow.
Exciting to see if you survive!
Was a passenger in an MG ZS ride-share vehicle in Thailand that had well over 200k km on the odometer. I found it perfectly comfortable - infinitely more comfortable than beat-up taxi's in Australia. Looked fine to me as well. Obviously there's a degree of getting what you pay for, but as long as it lasts and gets the job done….
I drove one and while the power was lacking in the base model, it was feature packed. This is the base spec, quite a few versions depending on what you require.
Its $20k…
Got my popcorn ready. This shit is gonna get wild.
Throw one of these on the back window for the ultimate popcorn grab.
Interesting their ANCAP rating has gone down from 5 to 4 in the last couple of years.
What about their "AH, CRAP" rating?
what about it
ANCAP criteria has changed over the years
Unlike the ZST with their pilot system, this has no safety suite hence why they lost a point
ANCAP contains a lot of bollocks anyways. Only use it as a rough guide.
https://youtu.be/aQ2Imisb3s4"nooo don't follow the organisation relied upon by government & the insurance industry to provide advice on automotive safety, believe this random Youtuber instead".
LOL rightio mate.
If you watch the clip you might understand why.
To achieve 5 stars these days, you need a swathe of 'driver assist' systems.
There's little to no evaluation of the effectiveness of each manufacturer's driver assist systems by ANCAP - merely a checkbox (has system/ does not have system).
The implementation, effectiveness (therefore actual safety) of driver assist systems varies wildly between manufacturers.
@Captain Yobbo: "No offence Sir Isaac Newton, but if your theory on gravity was more popular, I might start believing it".
—- First guy Newton tried to explain his theory to
Don't believe me then, go to the ANCAP website and read their systems evaluation guidelines. They aren't all that comprehensive, and prone to system misdetections / malfunctions etc. Also, manufacturers updating firmware to 're-tune' them after the ANCAP test is done on the car, aren't captured by retesting.
@Captain Yobbo: There is a lot of industry criticism weather the technical gizmos are actually making cars safer.
eg. ANCAP doesn't test if the lane keep assist works effectively. It just ticks a box that it has it, pushing up or down star ratings when the priority should be crash test performance.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/opinion/ancap-has-lost-relevanc…
https://drive.com.au/news/mitsubishi-five-star-safety-compro…
https://www.carexpert.com.au/opinion/why-ancap-has-run-off-t…
https://www.drive.com.au/news/chery-says-brands-complain-ins…
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/hidden-dangers-why-som…@happydude: OK 2 opinion pieces and a dude with a youtube channel say otherwise. I'm not defending ANCAP, only pointing out it's the current accepted standard & guide for layperson consumers on how to assess the (relative) safety of a vehicle. Not sure why people get so butthurt because a) I don't share the opinion that ANCAP is literally the devil and b) I don't have time or inclination to watch a 19 minute video with f**k all views…
@Captain Yobbo: Little ironic to see you call out others for being bullhurt.. You got defensive the moment creditable information and citation was laid out in front of you.
@youfnc: Defensive? I commented "interesting their ANCAP rating changed" and got hit with a tidal wave of negativity and rants about ANCAP being flawed, so it was worth clarifying I don't have skin in the game, all I did was note that I wasn't defending it. Two of the "credible information and citation" literally have "opinion" in the URL…
@Captain Yobbo: Nobody was negative. They responded to your comment with a video and further articles and you immediately got on the back foot. Would you rather people just ignore you?
John Cadogan is an ass but is hardly some random Youtuber. He's likely somewhat influential given he has 400k subscribers
ANCAP has become a laughing stock.
Requiring "assistance" packages that are more of a distraction than anything.
ANCAP now requires a lot of extra safety that in theory is good, but has been implemented poorly and they don't consider that…. BUT, the fundamentals of testing car crash worthiness is still there with ANCAP.
Active crash protection for occupants is always getting stricter and cars have become substantially safer in the last 10-15 years as a result of ANCAP / EUROCNAP etc etc. being around.
Sure if a car gets really good results in everything except by not having a driver attention monitoring system, that is BS, but if a car is fundamentally unsafe (and many cars don't come here because they would be shitcanned by ANCAP) it will show up in the ANCAP results and that is a massive NET benefit.
I suspect pressure will be pit onto ANCAP to eventually assess how well tech is implemented / how annoying it is to the driver because it doesn't function property.
Better buy than EVs and overpriced ICE cars from Japan and Europe!
have you driven one?
I tried the EV one which has a sad range.
Then spend more for longer range or buy PHEV with 2000 km range ;)
any bargain of explosive car insurance ?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/luxury-ev-explodes-into-f…They have ten year warranty which means you get a new one when the car explodes.
10 years !!!!
Shut up and take your moneyDon’t have to look far to see a bunch of people having issues with MG warranty
If you're alarmed at the rate of EV fires, you're going to be terrified at the rate petrol cars catch fire. https://www.drive.com.au/news/do-electric-cars-actually-pres…
it's the severity of the fires that are the issue (im pro EV and have used this exact comparison historically to push back on the electric fire fud - but there's definitely something to it from a severity perspective, just not frequency)
@Lawsuit: The bad fires, the impossible to extinguish thermal runaway ones, are extremely rare. "In Australia, there have only been six verified fires where the car went into thermal runaway, with EV FireSafe also investigating two further incidents involving a Volvo XC40 in New South Wales and Mazda CX-60 plug-in hybrid (PHEV) in Queensland."
@salem: yep, absolutely. they are edge case for sure - but a non-dismissible edge case/valid critique imho
@rawm: The big difference is that the Chinese government creates this subsidies with the overt intention to encourage its manufacturers to flood and dominate the marketplace.