Why Are Tesla's Hated So Much?

dylanando on 17/11/2024 - 15:21
Last edited 19/11/2024 - 21:57 by 1 other user

Teslas often seem to be a magnet for frustration and anger, which I find quite strange. By now, most people know that Teslas have Sentry Mode, constantly recording their surroundings, yet they still get targeted. It’s odd that a car can provoke such strong emotions.

I’ll admit it—I own one, and the number of ‘snarky’ comments I get from random strangers is unreal. Just the other day at a car wash, an older guy came up to me and asked, “Won’t you get electrocuted washing that thing?” Seriously, I had to laugh.

But it does make me wonder—why are Teslas hated so much?

This was uploaded yesterday with a girl throwing a glass bottle at one in Moolooaba, QLD.
https://www.carexplore.com.au/tesla-targeted-woman-throws-gl…

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    I hate Tesla because of Elon
  • 6
    I hate Tesla because im Old
  • 15
    I hate Tesla because its an EV
  • 431
    Tesla's are ok
  • 167
    I hate Tesla because their owners bang on about them non stop.
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Comments

  • niknikniknik on 18/11/2024 - 23:19
    -3

    Don't hate any EVs as I think they're genuinely good to drive. Wouldn't buy one though because I prefer the handling and feel of a decent euro car. I'm also not sold on the climate benefits of EVs as by some metrics of pollution they are worse than comparable ICE cars. Each to their own but I think people should buy EVs if they genuinely like the car or its financially efficient - but not as an attempt to be environmentally responsible.

    • changyang1230 on 18/11/2024 - 23:31
      +4

      Any cradle to grave analysis of carbon emission for EV would have them significantly better than ICE over their lifetime, even for the relatively dirty grid today, and when the grid gets greener this advantage will only be more significant.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/comparing-electric-ca…

      • niknikniknik on 19/11/2024 - 00:22

        That's the standard analysis and operationally the CO2/GHG emissions argument definitely holds. The mining and manufacturing processes is more murky but sure LCA of carbon emissions may still be in favour of EVs. Particle pollution is quite bad though with EVs, particularly with tyres. All PM pollution is not ideal but tyre PM can be particularly bad. Tyre particle wear increases with weight and with the high torque created by electric motors. Tyres contain 6PPD which is a toxic compound that is sufficiently water soluble to enter rivers and streams and some studies have linked this to harmful effects on aquatic life. There's a lot of unknowns as to the total effect of EVs vs ICE across a range of metrics. That's why I don't think the environmental claims hold, and rather people should purchase them for the product in isolation if they like it.

        • changyang1230 on 19/11/2024 - 00:34
          +4

          Is there any proof that the tyre particle’s incremental increase in EV is worse than the particles and NOx from burning fossil fuel in inefficient combustion engines? Or is this merely a whataboutism narrative that is pushed by the fossil fuel industry?

          Also don’t forget that the regen braking helps reduce a lot of brake and tire wears too.

          As far as I can tell this tire particle issue is overblown, and I look forward to you showing me evidence suggesting otherwise.

          https://www.transportenvironment.org/articles/electric-vehic…

        • klaw81 on 19/11/2024 - 10:28
          +1

          The mining and manufacturing processes is more murky

          More murky than the oil industry which EVs are reducing our use of?

          Well over 10% of all shipping globally is dedicated to transporting oil. That alone is horrendous, not the mention the vast amount of energy used in extraction and refinement, and the transport from refinery to distribution, with all the associated environmental damage associated with wells, leaks, pilot fires, spills, off-gassing and any number of other by-products.

          And then when it's used, it's gone in an instant, a puff of toxic, greenhouse gases and nasty particulates and where most of the energy is wasted as noise, vibration and sound.

          And yet you're concerned about manufacturing a battery, that can be almost entirely recycled and the metals reused in an endless cycle?

          Tyre particle wear increases with weight and with the high torque created by electric motors.

          That's just bunkum. Accelerated tire wear on EVs is pretty much a myth - the extra weight of an EV is typically 15% or so, and vehicle weight is only a small component of the many factors contributing to tire wear as a whole - the most significant by far is driving style.

          It sounds like what's actually needed is less toxic ingredients in tires, if these particulates are actually a real concern.

          That's why I don't think the environmental claims hold

          Perhaps you should think again. The evidence is highly compelling.

          • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 11:17

            @klaw81:

            Perhaps you should think again. The evidence is highly compelling.

            Unfortunately youtube videos aplear also to be highly compelling.

  • nushydude on 18/11/2024 - 23:28

    Looks like "I hate Tesla because of Elon" is winning.

    Why do people hate Elon?

    • Cusack on 19/11/2024 - 07:27
      -2

      MDS - Musk Derangement Syndrome

      When there’s no rational reason for their hate, the only other reason is they’ve been ‘conditioned’ to react that way.

      (see TDS for reference)

      • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 08:48
        +2

        Theres plenty of rational reasons to think hes turned into a right wing nut job.

        Yes, hes done some good things, but lately those good things are seriously outweighed by his god complex and compete lack of understanding of the common person.

        • Cusack on 19/11/2024 - 08:52
          +1

          Can you list out those rational reasons pls?

          • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 08:52
            +2

            @Cusack: Sure, but youll probably not agree so i wont bother.

            Getting trump elected is big one.

            • Cusack on 19/11/2024 - 10:21

              @Euphemistic: Don't be scared to list out the ‘facts’.
              So getting Trump elected then. How?

            • Brick Tamland on 19/11/2024 - 10:34

              @Euphemistic: til buying an election is a rational thing

            • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:15
              -1

              @Euphemistic:

              Getting trump elected is big one.

              So that is the last 6 months, what else do you have on your list?

              • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 16:18
                +1

                @JimmyF: Lego
                PS5
                New shirts
                Socks
                Golf clubs
                Mountain bike
                E scooter.

                • JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 09:25

                  @Euphemistic: So nothing then….. You just dislike him as the MSM told you to.

          • railspider on 19/11/2024 - 09:15

            @Cusack: Do your own homework and ask Grok

            • Cusack on 19/11/2024 - 20:53

              @railspider: What does Grok have to do with it?

              • railspider on 19/11/2024 - 21:42

                @Cusack: It will answer your insane questions instead of wasting another human's time.

                • Cusack on 19/11/2024 - 22:39

                  @railspider: Calling basic questions insane just coz you can’t answer them is a classic sign of…

                  MDS - Musk Derangement Syndrome
                  🤪

  • Sharknado88 on 19/11/2024 - 06:45
    -1

    I hate Teslas because people get them for tax benefit + it's the next "cool" thing and then don't even know how to drive them. They don't take into account the regen and hit the brakes harder. I often see Teslas making random hard stops for no apparent reason.

    • ihfree on 19/11/2024 - 07:27
      +2

      Do you also hate ford raptors and other trucks for the same reasons? Inability to drive and tax benefits.

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:16

      I didn't get any tax benefits when I got mine. So don't assume everyone gets them.

      But every tradie you see on the road in their 4x4 'work' ute, is getting tax benefits! Do you get angry at them?

  • snajper on 19/11/2024 - 07:24
    +5

    Didn’t think much of Teslas. My brother bought one (Model Y with dual motor). Drove it for few weeks while my brother was on holiday. Couldn’t fault it. Insanely fast, very comfortable, super quiet, handles well. Would easily consider buying one.

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:18
      +1

      Thanks for being honest. Honestly this is what most are like. They hate the car for reasons they don't know why. When you start to press them, they honestly can't come up with a reason why! But Elon is Bad, so Tesla must be Bad also.

  • notallthere on 19/11/2024 - 08:10

    My dads sons sister is a transsexual and Elon Musk spouts hate speech about her so I vandalise teslas regularly

    • ihfree on 19/11/2024 - 08:44
      +2

      so I vandalise teslas regularly

      Right. Username checks out.

      Hopefully, you suffer the consequences of your actions. If you're not happy with their situation, there are more meaningful ways to raise awareness or achieve your goals.

      • Ozybargdias on 19/11/2024 - 10:00
        +2

        Dude, don’t let yourself be trolled so easily.

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:19

      My dads sons sister

      So you?

  • neonlight on 19/11/2024 - 08:49
    -1

    I don't like enthusiast keep raving about it

    It's just car. No big deal. I'm not into EV all that much

    Its only viable if you got solar in home and enough charging points where ever you go

    Plenty of Chinese brands build better cars than Tesla. More features and cheaper

    Tesla battery is made by BYD and manufactured in China anyway. There's no difference

    • UltimateAI on 19/11/2024 - 16:45

      Rubbish comment. I own one of those GOOD Chinese EVs, but let's be honest they are NOT in the same league as a Tesla.
      If you pretend they are then you have NOT driven a Tesla.

  • newbiesh on 19/11/2024 - 09:53
    +1

    we (me and my friends) hate them because we have to pay almost $2/liter for petrol and these $#%@ drive for almost free!!
    UNFAIR.they should pay more on regos like VIC or petrol should be 50 cent a liter

    • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 10:01

      Thank the oil cartels for $2/L. Dropping the excise wouldnt get it back to 50c.

    • Brick Tamland on 19/11/2024 - 10:36
      -1

      They also pay no excise which goes towards keeping the roads maintained.

    • klaw81 on 19/11/2024 - 10:37
      -1

      The fuel excise is currently just under 50c per litre. The rest is the cost of buying the product itself.

      If you think about the vast amount of effort and processing that goes into making petrol and diesel available at your local servo, the price is impressively low - not that it's likely to give you any comfort.

      Realistically, you have three options:

      1. Buy a car that uses less fuel.
      2. Buy an EV and escape the excise altogether (for now). Obviously you need to pay for electricity instead, but it's way cheaper.
      3. Change nothing, and put up with the prices

      It's almost inevitable that a universal road user charge will be legislated at some point. But in the meantime, why not take advantage of the tax breaks that are available to you?

    • sonovolantis on 22/11/2024 - 09:15
      -1

      bait use to be believable 😔

  • Andard on 19/11/2024 - 10:29
    +1

    Elon. People hate Elon. It's the only reason, just some people don't admit it.
    Tesla was worshipped not too long ago as the perfect solution to offset carbon from fossil fuel cars. Governments fighting climate change bought fleets of Tesla's. Then it became cool to hate Elon so here we are.

    • Brick Tamland on 19/11/2024 - 10:37
      +1

      Elon was cool until he wasnt. Elon became uncool so he is uncool.

  • DMFD on 19/11/2024 - 10:58

    Overpriced inferior crap.

  • achew on 19/11/2024 - 11:18
    +4

    I certainly didn't buy mine to please anyone here. Just me. Suits my Syd-Bris commute very well. 71,000Kms on the first set of Michelin PS4T1's and still plenty left on them.

    Elon's a prat, always has been.

    If you don't like EV's, don't buy them. You'd be another problem owner to help out, and by gods I am sick of those fools charging to 100% on highway chargers.

  • McSquintus on 19/11/2024 - 11:37
    -1

    They are a luxury EV brand and iconic when it comes to EVs, just like iPhones are for smartphones. The car is miles ahead in software and full self driving is a game changer in the US.

    Politics don't matter to me at all. I like Elon Musk simply because he is changing the world for the better. Rockets that can land themselves, brought EVs to the masses, built a super charging network in many countries and making AI robots to help people.

    Seems like the toxic political behaviour is leaking from the US into Australia unfortunately. Bring back the days when people would hate each other over their sports team.

  • Alley Cat on 19/11/2024 - 11:56
    -2

    I felt funny when I first visited Sunshine Plaza Maroochydore (not far from Moolooaba) and saw a few Tesla parking spaces with what I presumed were the charging stations. If you have been to the Plaza, it's always very busy and hard to get a shaded parking spot. Those are prime locations and empty because apparently Tesla owners do not even shop in the Plaza lmao. If I had any distaste of Tesla, that'd be where it came from.

    • klaw81 on 19/11/2024 - 12:12
      +2

      saw a few Tesla parking spaces with what I presumed were the charging stations

      Tesla has leased this space from centre management to provide a charging facility for Tesla vehicles and other compatible EVs.

      Those are prime locations and empty

      If Tesla chooses to pay extra for a prime location for their facility, that's on them. It's not free parking either - Supercharging is pretty expensive compared to most other options, but it is fast and convenient.

      The potential fine for parking in an EV charging space without using the charger is over $3k in Queensland, so you'd better believe that people don't park there unless they need a charge.

      I've parked my Tesla in Sunshine Plaza a few times, but didn't needed a charge so I found a park elsewhere.

      If I had any distaste of Tesla, that'd be where it came from.

      Do you have similar feelings at shopping centres that have reserved parking for a carwash, or Coles pickup zones? Because it's exactly the same thing - the business is paying extra for that privilege.

      • Alley Cat on 19/11/2024 - 12:31
        -2

        Tesla has leased this space to provide charging for Tesla vehicles (and other compatible EVs).

        That makes sense. The thing is, when it comes to parking spaces on the coast, I am used to the disabled sign, the pregnant sign and the elderly sign, which leaves not that many options, to be honest. This one, however, has nothing to do with disability, but ability, which is kinda in line with buying a disabled permit in my mind.

        The fine for parking in an EV charging space without actually charging is over $3k in Queensland.

        That's even weirder. If the bay is empty, you ought to be able to utilise it — maybe make it 10 mins max or something.

        I understand why things have been set up the way it is from the owner's perspective, it's a business decision that makes sense, but if you look at it from the outside, you can see why it attracts the negative energies.

        • klaw81 on 19/11/2024 - 12:48
          +1

          That's even weirder. If the bay is empty, you ought to be able to utilise it — maybe make it 10 mins max or something.

          Would you feel the same way if people decided to just temporarily park in the servo forecourt next to the pumps while they popped into the local butcher and grabbed a coffee at the cafe next door? Of course not - common courtesy dictates that you only park at the pump while pumping and paying, and if you're planning to eat or shop you move your car first.

          This one, however, has nothing to do with disability, but ability

          It's nothing of the sort.

          The fact is that EV chargers are important public infrastructure, and blocking access to them for your own personal convenience (or even more sadly, as an act of rebellion against EVs, which is unfortunately a real thing) is absolutely a dick move.

          Placing EV chargers at shopping centres, where the general public can make use of charging facilities while shopping is a highly efficient use of time and space.

          if you look at it from the outside, you can see why it attracts the negative energies

          No, I don't see that at all. In fact, it's likely to become more and more common in public places because it's such a sensible initiative.

          Mind you, I'm not saying they need to be in prime locations; they're often tucked away at the back instead. Their location is usually dictated by the design of the shopping centre and where they can source adequate electricity supply.

          • Alley Cat on 19/11/2024 - 13:29
            -1

            @klaw81: Like I said, it's a business decision that makes sense from Tesla and the shopping centre's perspective. It's no different if they turned the parking space into a little coffee shop. Except it's not a coffee shop, and a car park carries a whole different set of social expectations, which you have brought up as well with the servo example. There are other things that Tesla has brought about that has clearly made a lot of people upset. I'm not sure what they might be, but social impact is not something you can afford to ignore as innovators. There have been a lot of studies done on Siri and even roomba, before they were introduced.

            I'm not saying the anti-ev movement is justified, just answering Op's question from my own experience. Whether they become the norm or not, and where everything lands, depends on the negotiations — some might be more violent than others.

  • datscheap on 19/11/2024 - 12:03
    +3

    I dunno why anyone would hate EVs.
    First year saved so much money for fuel that we bought a BIG solar and now get to drive 20k/year for free plus still make $200 month extra on our power bill.

    I hear QLD/NSW is catching up with other countries and soon we will be able to "dob in" excessive diesel smoke cars -
    IE submit dash cam of smoky cars with rego and get paid - like a easy side hustle.

    • BuDWiZe on 19/11/2024 - 14:56
      +1

      there is alot of smoke bomb cars here that year shouldnt be on the road .because im out on the road for work what they paying. could be a good side gig lol

  • GooseHoward on 19/11/2024 - 14:56
    +2

    Where's the option for the people that won't buy them due to questionable design choices, reliability, etc.?
    Massive touch screen, no buttons, no lidar, shortcuts taken all over the place, bland and boring design, there are plenty of reasons why the product itself doesn't appeal to some.

  • SuperMid on 19/11/2024 - 15:05

    Like a fridge, you cant really hate an electrical appliance.

  • mustang87401 on 19/11/2024 - 15:42
    -3

    I bought a brand new model 3 and it’s hands down the best car I’ve ever owned. Far superior to rav4 I owned previously. I test drove a bunch of EVs and there is just no comparison although some are catching up. If you buy a Tesla you have to like using the tech that comes with it. The Elon hate is usually from lefties who can never not introduce their feelings and emotions into something. BYD is almost the same price and it’s super glitchy and cheap inside. Doesn’t even have most of the tech features yet people praise it like crazy here. Then there are those people that just hate on EV regardless. It might not make sense for everyone but I got solar + battery at home and I am saving so much money with my daily commute since I got it. I am not or never was a Tesla fan boy or Elon fan boy for that matter but I can say that it’s truly the best from a variety of EVs I’ve tried, especially the new model 3 it’s just so nice!

    • UltimateAI on 19/11/2024 - 16:42

      Really don't understand how anyone could neg this comment for 100% facts. The new model 3 is an amazing car, perhaps too small for many.
      The model Y is a MASSIVE car on the inside, and wait for it, lighter and SAFER than many SUVs in the same class. It's not a people mover, small car or a truck.
      Again EVs are NOT for everyone, but lets call out a frigging amazing car for what it is.

      • neonlight on 19/11/2024 - 18:10
        -1

        Rofl safer than many SUVs. I see Elon Musk brainwashed so many people.

        Next you going to tell me darkstar sr72 is the way to travel no need for airplane anymore

        BTW you might as well drop your NBN and sign up Starlink

        Because it's the best and safest internet ever

        • UltimateAI on 19/11/2024 - 19:24
          +3

          Just going by ancap reports same for euro. Model y remains the safest car ever tested.
          PS: I drive a Chinese ev, don’t own a Tesla or any Tesla shares. But I do lots of research and try and play a straight bat. Unlike most Aussies I also don’t do jealousy. “Tall Poppy Syndrome”

        • mustang87401 on 19/11/2024 - 20:10
          -3

          Judging by your comments you are likely Chinese so I understand you hate Tesla in favour of BYD

      • youfnc on 20/11/2024 - 11:01
        +1

        Possibly due to their uncomfortable comment history and dismissive tone in the above comment.

      • Brick Tamland on 21/11/2024 - 11:01
        -3

        Model Y has the highest fatality rate out of any car. Massive inside? come on, they are smaller than a Camry inside.

  • neonlight on 19/11/2024 - 16:15
    +1

    I also don't like people keep showing off thinking they got the best in the world of EV, like on top of the world especially Tesla.
    There's an issue people start becoming youtuber and hard sell EV tech and trends, to earn subscribers.

    IMO Tesla is not worth it.

  • UltimateAI on 19/11/2024 - 16:29
    +4

    As a new EV owner, can confirm EV owners are like Vegans.
    I didn't get a Tesla, I test drove many EVs but honestly the Tesla (3 and Y) were significantly better on all aspects than all the models I tested.
    I think the main reason people dislike them is;

    This entire commercialisation and corruption relating to climate change. As Elon regularly says EVs should NOT be incentivised, but incentives should also be remove from the petroleum industry.

    So take the grants away, would do a lot to remove some of the hate. We also need choice and they can't be forced on people just in the name of making money.

    I purchased an EV for the kids, mainly for the convenience. But both my wife and myself drive it the most. It's just convenient, constant torque, balance, low center of gravity and tech just makes driving an EV super simple and fun. Brain did have to adjust, like going from a phone to a smart phone. Drive a modern ICE car and there are too many buttons, the MG4 actually has a nice mix of Physical buttons and touch screens.

    If I had a boat, trailer, lived out in the country then I wouldn't consider an EV yet.

    • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 17:30
      +1

      if I had a boat, trailer, lived out in the country then I wouldn't consider an EV yet.

      Plenty of farmers are buying EVs. They can charge them on solar for free, and travel to and from town for a tiny cost compared to running a petrol car. As long as youre within a reasonable distance for the available range then travelling more kms can be better.

      As for boat and trailer, EVs can tow just fine with easy torque. Unfortunately the range does get shrunk a fair bit because of the extra aero drag. But if your towing doesnt involve large distances then why not? Sure, i wouldnt want to travel with a caravan but if your boating is in the local area itll work out fine.

      • klaw81 on 19/11/2024 - 17:40

        But if your towing doesn't involve large distances then why not?

        I have a friend who is contemplating exactly this. He has a small ski boat, and his longest tow to preferred river locations is less than 150km return, which means an EV with suitable towing capacity is absolutely fine and would be far more practical the rest of the time.

        But I absolutely agree that there are many people for whom an EV is not yet a sensible decision.

    • Brick Tamland on 21/11/2024 - 11:04
      +1

      lucky kids. Do they like driving it too?

      • UltimateAI on 21/11/2024 - 12:44

        Yes but they were sharing a 14 year old Mazda 3 so any modern car is a massive upgrade. In my case the EV was cheaper than a Corolla, that is before putting under a novated lease.

    • blupool on 21/11/2024 - 11:30

      EV is the best for kids. You can safely leave your kids continue sleeping in the garage with AC on without being afraid of CO2 suffocation.
      Sometimes at the red light, you can discreetly trigger people who ride "racing cars".
      It's fun to drive and yeah it's not for every one.

  • shaybisc on 19/11/2024 - 19:26
    +4

    Might as well be driving a giant red MAGA hat.

    • mustang87401 on 19/11/2024 - 20:11

      Cringe how one gets so upset at another continents politics they can’t independently look at a vehicle and say it’s the best out there. Super cringe.

      • Brick Tamland on 21/11/2024 - 11:04

        How can you say its the best unless you have driven every other car?

        • mustang87401 on 21/11/2024 - 12:00

          Ah stop it. It’s universally accepted. Which EV is acclaimed to be better than Tesla? Where? Show me?

          • Euphemistic on 21/11/2024 - 12:04

            @mustang87401: 'Best' is far to subjective. There is no 'best'. Tesla has advantges in many areas. Other vehicles will be better in others. Is one objectively better than the other because of a couple of features? No.

            • mustang87401 on 21/11/2024 - 13:13

              @Euphemistic: That’s your opinion which most don’t share. Watch a couple comparison videos on YouTube and most professional reviewers will say model 3 is ahead in almost everything.

              • Euphemistic on 21/11/2024 - 13:29

                @mustang87401: Sure, but they are still opinions. And what exactly os 'best'. Id argue that value for money is a big factor for many, and Tesla command a premium price.

                Of similar argument which is best: BMW 3 series or Camry? Mercedes G wagon or Land cruiser? Each very good product, different price bracket.

          • Brick Tamland on 21/11/2024 - 12:20

            @mustang87401: Lucid Air for one.

  • jakka on 19/11/2024 - 19:34
    +2

    Personally I do not like the look of Tesla’s, glad we don’t have the cyber truck here. I originally did not mind the model S but think each model has got uglier. They also look very dated, really need to refresh the look, but not like the cyber truck please.

  • TEER3X on 19/11/2024 - 19:56
    +3

    I don't hate Tesla's, they were pioneers in the EV world and a lot of the innovation and the market we have today is directly and indirectly related.

    I was somewhat indifferent about Elon, but, now definitely not a fan with his strong political stance and involvement, as well as the whole fiasco with destroying twitter and its employees.

    I'm a nobody, but I've deactivated my twitter account and gone elsewhere, currently checking out bluesky.

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 20:06
      -4

      as well as the whole fiasco with destroying twitter and its employees.

      LOL destroying Twitter and its employees? You mean the bottomless pit of a company that burned money every year with zero profit? Or that had 80% of the staff doing nothing!?

      Yeah poor things having to find a real job now. If you're sad for them, go watch some of those 'day in the life of a Twitter employee' videos and tell me if your heart still goes out to the free loaders getting 350k a year doing 10 mins of work a day, while they show you the free staff cafe or sit by the pool.

      I'm a nobody, but I've deactivated my twitter account and gone elsewhere, currently checking out bluesky.

      Twitter aka x seems to be doing just fine without account. Hardly destroyed! Its busier than ever!

      Enjoy bluesky, it will come and go like the rest…. threads, and whatever the Twitter knock off was before blue sky that everyone rushed to when musk took over Twitter, that I can't even remember its name now.

      • mustang87401 on 19/11/2024 - 20:14

        JimmyF spot on :)

      • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 20:22

        LOL destroying Twitter and its employees? You mean the bottomless pit of a company that burned money every year with zero profit? Or that had 80% of the staff doing nothing!?

        Hasnt it tanked in value as the advertisers have fled? Maybe it was due to cull a bit of the fat with excess employees, but doesnt seem to have improved much.

        • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 20:56
          -2

          Hasnt it tanked in value as the advertisers have fled? Maybe it was due to cull a bit of the fat with excess employees, but doesnt seem to have improved much.

          Hardly called that destroyed, the platform is running well without 80% of the deadwood.

          If you left, how would you know if it has improved or not!

          For me its busier than ever, works as good as ever. Has more ads than ever! So don't know if they have really fled after all!

      • smartazz104 on 21/11/2024 - 10:47
        -1

        Twitter aka x seems to be doing just fine without account. Hardly destroyed! Its busier than ever!

        Busy because it's full of right-wing twats.

        • JimmyF on 21/11/2024 - 11:43
          -2

          Busy because it's full of right-wing twats.

          Sounds just like ozbargain then, full of EV haters and twats! You should go join x!

          • nobro25 on 21/11/2024 - 13:39

            @JimmyF: He didn't join X..
            He went to truth social.

    • mustang87401 on 19/11/2024 - 20:14
      +2

      He fired people with orange hair that were taking censorship requests from companies and governments without a reason other than misinformation or disinformation. He is running X as successfully as twitter did with thousands of less staff. You dislike his political stance because it’s opposite to you that’s a hallmark of lefties they hate diversity of viewpoints. There are many billionaires who have a strong liberal viewpoint and don’t mind sharing that with the world yet they don’t get any flack. As you said nobody cares you left X it’s probably for the best as you seem quite ignorant.

      • Windows98 on 19/11/2024 - 22:25
        +3

        Twitter still takes censorship requests from governments and businesses and the funny part is they've done more censorship under musk

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/04/27/tw…

        Twitter is not some freedom of speech heaven. It's a social media platform that has to follow the same rules as the rest of them.

        • mustang87401 on 19/11/2024 - 23:26
          -1

          Wrong. Under twitter so many comments got blocked and deleted automatically or right after posting. Many people got banned for talking about pharmaceutical companies or Covid vaccine side effects and now these people are back and not banned anymore. Everyone knows X is more free now than ever before. Stop arguing something everyone agrees with.

          • Windows98 on 19/11/2024 - 23:46
            +2

            @mustang87401: Did you read that on x?

            I just gave you evidence that it still happens. All you have is "wrong".

            Good stuff

            • JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 09:30
              -1

              @Windows98:

              I just gave you evidence that it still happens. All you have is "wrong".

              Its 2024, not 2023….. So is that article that is 18 months old still valid?

              Also it doesn't make sense what you say, on one hand you're saying x takes censorship requests from governments and businesses and yet on the other hand, people are complaining that x is unchecked and people can say anything they want.

              Twitter used to be highly censored, people just didn't really know. Now its 'free speech' so they can say what they want.

              The thing with free speech, is it is only ok if they are saying stuff you agree with.

              • Windows98 on 20/11/2024 - 09:46
                +4

                @JimmyF: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/25/elon-mu…

                September 2024

                Twitter was taking down posts that breach laws before Elon (what you're calling censorship) and continues do so now because that's the law.

                The difference now is there are more right wing people and people who believe in conspiracy theories or spreading and saying things that are illegal so now there's more "censorship" needed than before

                X is not free speech, I have little faith you understand what free speech even is. I suggest you look it up.
                Saying things that break the laws is still illegal and X even under musk has to remove them and has been in droves

                The difference you're seeing now on X is more "legal" right wing, conservative, cooker theories and discussions than before because that's what twitter has become, a home for them. And believe this means it's a freedom haven. It's not, there's just more of those people. People are still being banned, posts are being deleted because laws still exist.

                • JimmyF on 21/11/2024 - 15:10
                  -3

                  @Windows98:

                  Twitter was taking down posts that breach laws before Elon (what you're calling censorship) and continues do so now because that's the law.

                  X is now following the law, where before twitter would take any content they had been asked no questions asked. Very different as one was the gov censorship twitter based on what they thought, vs what the law really says. X now pushes back on request that don't meet the law.

                  It is basically what Australia is walking into with the u16 social media ban and the misinformation bill. Anything the gov doesn't like can be removed. 'freedom' it is not.

          • smartazz104 on 21/11/2024 - 10:50

            @mustang87401:

            and now these people are back and not banned anymore

            A cookers paradise now.

  • wimphrel on 19/11/2024 - 23:00
    +3

    I dislike Elon, but don't hate Teslas nor people who own Teslas. They're OK cars.

    What irks me more is all the bait & politicising around it, and thinking that somehow owning or not owning a EV means you're aligned to a specific side that is at war with another side.

    For me, they're the new whitegood car -> in fact, ironically closer to an actual Fridge than a Camry. But that's a good thing cos it means they're dependable. I would consider one if there were any 2nd hand ones less than 5.y.o. for ~$30K.

    It's social media amplifying things & having the algorithms constantly bother us with articles that pit the small percentage of Tesla / Musk fanbois against the small percentage of petrol heads (In fact most of the older petrol heads at work in the US office have converted to EVs & only talk about EVs now). The media need clicks to make money, so they publish click-bait that gets you easily emotionally riled up & it warps our sense of what is 'normal'.

    95% of the world does not hate you for driving a Tesla -> move on with life & enjoy your car. You are just noticing the 2.5% who need to ridicule others publicly to make themselves feel happy. (The other 2.5% may hate your car but have the decency to not disturb you about it :D)

    • mustang87401 on 19/11/2024 - 23:27
      -3

      They are not OK cars they are some of the best if not the best EV you can buy. What’s better than Tesla? BYD? Come on..

      • wimphrel on 20/11/2024 - 23:40
        +1

        It's subjective. When I say it's an OK car - it means it's good enough & I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to my friends wanting to spend ~50K on a car to save fuel.

        For me, personally, I'd happily take a lexus LFA over a Tesla :P (stay calm - respect the right of others to have differing opinions. I'm an older millenial petrol-head)

        For my wife, she'd happily take a GWM Ora cos it's cute.

        My boss went for a Polestar cos he didn't like the Tesla

        Richer (well, more disposable income) ex-petrol-head colleagues in the US are rotating through EVs every 6 months & they're not all stuck on Teslas & agree there are negatives with the ride quality (they have shitty roads in the US). All say the german brands are much more luxurious & comfortable & a better A->B car, but they wouldn't own one for maintenance costs, unknown reliability & long term support, etc…. They all support Tesla & hope they make better cars, as do I … although they still hate Musk :D

    • JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 09:36
      -2

      The media need clicks to make money, so they publish click-bait that gets you easily emotionally riled up & it warps our sense of what is 'normal'.

      Its sad that most people can't see what is happening to the world thanks to MSM and its endless lies and click bait to get a few cents of ad revenue.

  • kevkay on 20/11/2024 - 06:05
    +1

    I hate them because I'm old and don't want an IoT device in my garage

  • shaybisc on 20/11/2024 - 08:35
    +3

    It's a very odd situation. The raison d'etre for the Tesla and all EVs is to reduce carbon emissions from fossil fuels, but Musk supports people who will do everything they can to increase carbon emissions from fossil fuels.

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