Why Are Tesla's Hated So Much?

dylanando on 17/11/2024 - 15:21
Last edited 19/11/2024 - 21:57 by 1 other user

Teslas often seem to be a magnet for frustration and anger, which I find quite strange. By now, most people know that Teslas have Sentry Mode, constantly recording their surroundings, yet they still get targeted. It’s odd that a car can provoke such strong emotions.

I’ll admit it—I own one, and the number of ‘snarky’ comments I get from random strangers is unreal. Just the other day at a car wash, an older guy came up to me and asked, “Won’t you get electrocuted washing that thing?” Seriously, I had to laugh.

But it does make me wonder—why are Teslas hated so much?

This was uploaded yesterday with a girl throwing a glass bottle at one in Moolooaba, QLD.
https://www.carexplore.com.au/tesla-targeted-woman-throws-gl…

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I hate Tesla because of Elon
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I hate Tesla because im Old
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I hate Tesla because its an EV
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Tesla's are ok
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I hate Tesla because their owners bang on about them non stop.

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Comments

- Euphemistic on 20/11/2024 - 08:55
  
  +6
  
  Musk supports people who will increase hos net worth the most. Cutting unions, not increasing min wage, reducing taxes for the rich, corporate bailouts and incentives etc.
  
  Not supporting EVs is a minor inconvenience.
  - JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 09:32
    
    -4
    
    Musk supports people who will increase hos net worth the most. Cutting unions, not increasing min wage, reducing taxes for the rich, corporate bailouts and incentives etc.
    
    LOL did you read that on MSM?
    
    Musk isn't for cutting unions, he just doesn't want them in the first place as all the USA ones are corrupt! Look at the recent demands they had from the legacy OEMs. The unions will tank the legacy OEMs on their own.
    
    He pays above min wages for his factory workers. No one in the USA support increasing min wage as they are brain washed prices will go up.
    
    Musk paid the most tax of anyone in the world.
    
    Has said to remove all EV subsidies and never seen him support a corporate bailouts.
    
    Did you also read he drinks goat blood in the mornings and sleeps upside down at night?
    - Euphemistic on 20/11/2024 - 10:04
      
      +4
      
      Yeah sure. Musk might pay above min wage, but his history shows he does not care for workers. Unions arent just about getting more pay, but better conditions as well. Just because the existing ones are corrupt doesn't mean unions are bad. The whole USA has been conditioned to give money to the fatcats and keep themselves poor. Unchecked capitalism is not good for the population.
      
      No one in the USA support increasing min wage as they are brain washed prices will go up.
      
      Now who's been brainwashed?
      
      Paid the most tax in the world? Sure bro. Does he pay his fair share? I suspect not.
      
      Hes all talk.
      - JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 12:35
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        Musk might pay above min wage, but his history shows he does not care for workers
        
        Slightly contradictory statement, so doesn't care but pays above min wage?
        
        No CEO cares for workers, why should Musk be held any different? Your company will flick you in a heartbeat if they could. Do you think your CEO really cares about you?
        
        Unions arent just about getting more pay, but better conditions as well
        
        UAW demands a 40% pay increase, hours reduced to 32 hours and a few other things are not inline with the real world. Basically asking for $85/hour AUD to put cars together.
        
        Now who's been brainwashed?
        
        So why hasn't the min wage increased? Oh right because anyone middle class or above is brainwashed into thinking prices will go up if the poor are paid more. I mean you said so yourself "The whole USA has been conditioned to give money to the fatcats and keep themselves poor"
        
        Paid the most tax in the world? Sure bro. Does he pay his fair share? I suspect not.
        
        So who else has paid more than $12 billion USD in personal federal taxes like Musk? Pretty sure no one, hence why it was claimed as the pargest tax bill in history!
        
        https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/12/15/elon-musk-to-pay-recor…
        
        Before you claim blah blah blah Fair share? How does it compare to the other top 10 richest people in the world? He has paid more than all of them combined, so yeah pretty safe to say he has paid his fair share.
    - klaw81 on 20/11/2024 - 10:17
      
      +1
      
      Musk isn't for cutting unions, he just doesn't want them in the first place
      
      That's utterly contradictory.
      
      He pays above min wages for his factory workers.
      
      There's a reason unions exist, and it isn't because employers are super generous and always treat their employees well.
      - JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 12:26
        
        -1
        
        @klaw81:
        
        That's utterly contradictory.
        
        Cutting means he would be removing them. Tesla just didn't have them in the first place to cut. Big difference my friend.
        
        There's a reason unions exist, and it isn't because employers are super generous and always treat their employees well.
        
        To a point, unions in the USA are going to bankrupt the legacy car makers. Go look at their demands and tell me if otherwise.
        
        UAW wanted a 40% payrise over 4 years with wages adjusted each year with inflation and a reduction to 32 hour week.
        
        They had been on at the time around $40 USD/hour.
        
        So you think $85/hr AUD the unions are asking for is valid?
        
        gakko on 20/11/2024 - 13:13
        
        +1
        
        @JimmyF: Pretty sure negotiations tend to start higher than the target price.
        
        JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 13:15
        
        @gakko: So what did they end up getting then?
        
        klaw81 on 20/11/2024 - 13:26
        
        -1
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        Cutting means he would be removing them. Tesla just didn't have them in the first place to cut. Big difference my friend.
        
        There's no difference in outcome for the workers.
        
        Tesla actively resisted and prevented unions from forming in their US operations. They have also strongly resisted unions in Europe with mixed success.
        
        The fact that employees wanted to unionize suggests that they didn't feel they were getting a good deal, and/or that management wasn't listening to their concerns.
        
        If you have to actively prevent your employees from unionizing, you're probably a bad employer.
        
        To a point, unions in the USA are going to bankrupt the legacy car makers.
        
        Are the legacy car makers consistently making solid profits? The remuneration of executives working for the big three car makers have seen their own remuneration grow by ~40% over the same 4 year period, which was the basis for the UAW's demands.
        
        The CEO of Ford received over US$26m last year, and the CEO of Stellantis received nearly $39m. Are you telling me they can't afford to pay their workers well when they can hand out this kind of cash to their executive teams?
        
        Obviously there's no point in financially crippling your employer and making their products more expensive and less appealing to buyers. But having a healthy, happy, productive and cooperative workforce is a huge factor in the success of a corporation, and should be prioritized over shareholder profits for long term company health.
        
        They had been on at the time around $40 USD/hour.
        
        Sounds like they're getting paid a lot better than they would be if they worked for Tesla - and a quick Google search suggests this is correct. Unions work.
        
        So you think $85/hr AUD the unions are asking for is valid?
        
        I have no idea what the going rate is elsewhere, nor how skilled or dangerous their work is, how valuable their experience is to the company and how hard they might be to replace. There are a lot of factors to consider, and I would be foolish to offer an opinion.
        
        Part of bargaining is that your initial demands are usually very high, and then each side compromises to a mutually agreeable position.
        
        Euphemistic on 20/11/2024 - 13:56
        
        +3
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        To a point, unions in the USA are going to bankrupt the legacy car makers. Go look at their demands and tell me if otherwise.
        
        If you cant afford to pay your workers a decent wage with good conditions you dont deserve to be in business.
        
        Its not just car makers, its the whole industry. Look at the wage growth of workers vs executives over the last decade or two. Its not the workers making life difficult for businesses. Its the business owners blaming high wages for i creasing their lrofits by shipping manhmufacturing to the cheapest available labour market.
        
        If you think that workers shouldnt be paid fairly for their labour anywhere in the world youre part of the problem.
        
        JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 14:47
        
        -1
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        If you cant afford to pay your workers a decent wage with good conditions you dont deserve to be in business.
        
        I agree, but what if they already got a decent wage and then wanted 40% more?
        
        Dunno about you, but $40/hour USD aka $62/hour AUD is a pretty good wage for someone putting a car together. Don't you?
        
        If you think that workers shouldnt be paid fairly for their labour anywhere in the world youre part of the problem.
        
        Fairly yes, but we already agreed that Tesla pays a decent wage, this was about unions good, Elon bad.
        
        Unions are not always good. Elons company generally pay very well and attract some amazing talent.
        
        Euphemistic on 20/11/2024 - 16:19
        
        +1
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        Unions are not always good.
        
        Corporations are equally not always good. Corporations headed by billionaires are more likely to be not good, espeically if those billionaires are openly against things like unions.
        
        JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 17:22
        
        -1
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        Corporations are equally not always good
        
        Corporations are equally evil and never good. See comments above, your corporate overlord will flick you in a heartbeat if they could.
        
        Corporations headed by billionaires are more likely to be not good, espeically if those billionaires are openly against things like unions.
        
        So Microsoft was evil when its billion CEOs ran it? Amazon must also be Evil? Facebook must be evil? (ok got me there, they're evil), do I need to go on?
        
        Oh how about twitter before it was sold? The owner was a billionaire back then before it was sold based on the sale price..
        
        So in your view, X is evil, so is Tesla and SpaceX and Starlink? Because someone worked hard and made them worth something.
        
        So how do you feel about only 10 Companies owning all the World’s Food Brands? You must be really against them!
        
        https://www.good.is/this-infographic-shows-how-only-10-compa…
        
        Euphemistic on 20/11/2024 - 18:14
        
        @JimmyF: Amazon is definitely evil.
        
        JimmyF on 20/11/2024 - 20:45
        
        -1
        
        @Euphemistic: So where is the hate? Don't see any "Why is Amazon hated so much" threads.
        
        You ok with 10 companies owning the food supply too? But fock Elon!
        
        Euphemistic on 20/11/2024 - 21:35
        
        @JimmyF: Theres plenty of amazon hate. If you haven't seen any, youre living under a rock.
        
        Megacorporations are bad. Having so few companies controlling anything is bad.
        
        So in your view, X is evil, so is Tesla and SpaceX and Starlink? Because someone worked hard and made them worth something.
        
        ExTwitter? Someone worked hard amd smashed what it was worth. Tesla? It's losing favour. SpaceX seems to be doing some good stuff. Haven't looked into Starlink, but if Elon is threatening to change the way it's avaiable on a whim (Ukraine) it doesn't seem awesome.
        
        Elon is still a douche. Ive no idea why you are defendin him so hard.
        
        smartazz104 on 21/11/2024 - 10:53
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        Elon is still a douche. Ive no idea why you are defendin him so hard.
        
        Oh that's easy, they share the same opinions.
DeeTrance on 20/11/2024 - 11:14

+2

Similarly, I don't hate Apple. It's the users that I find annoying, delusional and I can't stand them all as a whole.
nuttapillar on 20/11/2024 - 11:28

Because there's still too many stubborn old farts stuck in the past.
LSGH on 20/11/2024 - 11:33

+5

if there was an option of "I don't hate tesla but I do not like Elon", I reckon it would have had heaps of votes
quanticism on 20/11/2024 - 17:21

-4

Teslas are cool. Elon is also cool. It might take a while for the latter to become an acceptable thought in our Overton window but it's a matter of time.
shaybisc on 20/11/2024 - 17:25

Musk + lies

Google it. He is a super-spreader of lies and misinformation. Here is a start.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-musk-x-election-infl…
- blupool on 21/11/2024 - 09:21
  
  -5
  
  Did you know google funded democrats ?
  Did you try searching Trump vs Kamala Harris in google during election ?
  Did you know the search results were fabricated to only give you good news on Kamala ?
  Did you know who owns bloomberg and how He supported Kamala ?
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-10-31/michae…
  - misu p on 21/11/2024 - 09:49
    
    Did you know that aliens came to Earth and influenced the minds of people to vote for Trump to destabilize the earth's defense force to take over because they use our spinal fluid as drugs?
    
    I can do it too…
    - blupool on 21/11/2024 - 11:04
      
      -1
      
      I'm just providing @shaybisc information from google and web that there will always be stories from another side, not some random aliens comments.
      - Danstar on 21/11/2024 - 11:52
        
        -2
        
        @blupool: Literally proves the point that the 'left' is so easily manipulated.
        
        Google it! LOL
        
        Euphemistic on 21/11/2024 - 12:00
        
        +2
        
        @Danstar: And you think the 'right' isnt easily manipulated?
        
        blupool on 21/11/2024 - 12:04
        
        @Euphemistic: Elon was a left and moved to right, was he manipulated ?
        I'm just riding bitcoin to $100k
        
        Danstar on 21/11/2024 - 12:39
        
        @Euphemistic: From what I see; one side of politics is so heavily criticised and besmirched in the media compared to the other;
        
        klaw81 on 22/11/2024 - 11:40
        
        +4
        
        @Danstar:
        
        one side of politics is so heavily criticised and besmirched in the media compared to the other
        
        There's no need to "besmirch" the conservative media - they do it to themselves.
        
        Fox News, the flagship of the Murdoch media empire, has been successfully sued a number of times for outright false reporting.
        
        In defending lawsuits, Fox's lawyers have stated in court that many of their programs are not news but entertainment, and that no reasonable person would believe that that statements made during their coverage was factual.
        
        One of their UK media outlets literally hacked into people's private phones, including people who had recently died, to get dirt for their newspaper.
        
        We see a similar degree of disinformation and blatantly partisan reporting from Australian Murdoch networks - the recent "documentary" from Sky News (ie Fox News for Australians) about net zero was less of a documentary and more of a collection of half-truths and conservative political commentary while being factually incorrect in multiple areas.
        
        Ironically, the hardcore conservatives and Trump supporters are the first to cry "fake news" at anything that doesn't suit their worldview, even when it's verifiable fact.
        
        I'm not going to pretend that the left have never been guilty of misinformation, but there's something about powerful conservatives (and their supporters) that they're totally okay with telling the most outrageously blatant lies to achieve their aims - the end somehow justifies the means.
        
        Danstar on 24/11/2024 - 18:18
        
        @klaw81: You bring up Murdoch networks; how many of those are in Aus. vs. left wing driven media outlets?
        
        Same in the USA. There's 1 main 'right wing' outlet vs. half a dozen 'left wing', so when 1 message gets spewed over the air ways so much more; it's easier for those lies to feel like truth for the rabble listening
        
        klaw81 on 24/11/2024 - 18:31
        
        @Danstar:
        
        how many of those are in Aus. vs. left wing driven media outlets?
        
        Murdoch is by far the largest, with considering newsprint, TV/cable and online, and also the most heavily biased. The combined penetration of the Australian, Daily Mail, Courier Mail, Sky News etc are roughly twice as large as any other outlet.
        
        Nine Entertainment, Seven West Media and Fairfax are varying shades of polically centre-right.
        
        ABC is centre-neutral by legislative requirement, and proven to be so by countless independent reviews over the past 2 decades.
        
        The only genuinely left-biased media in Australia is the Guardian, which is the 4th most read newspaper/online.
        
        Danstar on 24/11/2024 - 18:34
        
        -2
        
        @klaw81:
        
        Nine Entertainment, Seven West Media and Fairfax are varying shades of polically centre-right.
        
        ABC is centre-neutral by legislative requirement, and proven to be so by countless independent reviews over the past 2 decades.
        
        I can safely assume you never watch these services; or are in denial to keep up the argument on how the Murdoch media is the majority and controls the masses
Cyphar on 20/11/2024 - 21:16

+1

Tesla owners are like Cross Fit junkies. They will make sure you know they are one.

Case in point: This thread.

I don't actually have an issue with the cars themselves I just don't support Elon Musk's current stance so I cannot support his company.
kaleidoscope on 20/11/2024 - 22:37

+1

Really like the tech, but can’t stand elon’s bs influence attached to it.
misu p on 21/11/2024 - 09:46

+2

I do not like Elon, he is a twat, but I do not hate Teslas because of it (I voted that because it is the closest thing). I dislike that Elon is using them to say that he is trying to save the world meanwhile they are selling carbon credits to other companies so they may continue to produce an increased number of ICE vehicles. I do not like fanboys on any side and bias that people do not realize and cannot be honest about it.

I believe Tesla is a great gadget and I am sure I would enjoy it a lot. I am in the process of purchasing n EV (not a Tesla).

PS: @Tesla owners, you will never be able to use a Tesla as a robocab, not because of the technology but because Tesla will run its own robocabs before it gives you that option. A small player will come in the far future but your current cars will be too old.
- khomeini on 24/11/2024 - 12:04
  
  Thank you. Agree completely with your sentiments! Coming from a Tesla owner.
knk on 21/11/2024 - 11:21

I don't hate them, but they don't really appeal to me. It's not an electric car thing, hell I'm hanging out for plug in hybrid or fully electric dual cab utes to be the norm. (BYD Shark looks nice).

They're just……boring to look at to me and don't make me want to pay a premium for them. I'd rather a cheap fully electric car and something else fun to baby / drive when I feel like it.
sunnyc on 21/11/2024 - 12:44

Tesla is pretty good. Come at me with your tall poppy syndrome. I'm selling all my petrol engine vehicles to buy a few more EV's.
How did you like Trumps win? Pretty demoralising for you
- Cluster on 21/11/2024 - 17:06
  
  -1
  
  Musk isn't a tall poppy. He's a noxious weed plugged directly into the US government.
  
  I wonder if his D.O.G.E. will immediately scrap the $7500 federal tax incentive for buying an EV? I bet it won't.
  
  "You…. yo-you see that… umm.. that the incentive…. tax incentive is is essential spending for… the government. Yeah, mm"
  - Euphemistic on 21/11/2024 - 17:25
    
    Hes just going to go in and cut out a bunch of middle management claim a win on the bottom line then punt the backlog of work down the line when its not his problem any more.
    
    Will also cut a bunch of regulation that is keeping the corporations a little bit honest in the claim of efficiency and again, punt the problems for consumers down the line. Corporations will get extra profit and consumers will suffer.
    - Protractor on 22/11/2024 - 10:58
      
      TLDR
      Musk doing Mafia Trumps 'dusting'. He's just like the rest of the obsequious sycophants who happily deploy themselves (on their knees) to satisfy his every need.
    - JimmyF on 25/11/2024 - 16:27
      
      Look at you, such an armchair expert on what Must will do before he even starts!
      - Euphemistic on 25/11/2024 - 19:10
        
        @JimmyF: You think hes gonna do good things for the country?
        
        I'm happy to be proven wrong on this, but not optimistic any 'government efficiency' implemented by someone who mass sacked half his twitter workforce and crashed its value. Mass sacked tesla supercharger workforce and held up roll outs and trashed their reliability. There's probably py other examples too.
        
        There's al long history of 'government efficiency' restructure and spending cuts that end up slowing down government efficiency quite quickly, then they end up ramping back up again after a few years pncs they get all the required employees back.
        
        JimmyF on 25/11/2024 - 20:40
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        You think hes gonna do good things for the country?
        
        You make it sound like he was worse than the ones before him or after him last time. Have any of them really done 'good' for their country?
        
        by someone who mass sacked half his twitter workforce and crashed its value
        
        It was 80% of the Twitter staff, as it is no longer a publicly traded company anymore, the 'value' these report claim is just someones opinion on what they think it is worth. Sure Its down as he overpaid by a sh!tload. Oddly Twitter is going just as good after getting rid of 80% of the staff, the site is still up and working.
        
        Mass sacked tesla supercharger workforce and held up roll outs and trashed their reliability. There's probably py other examples too.
        
        Funny how the supercharger network has been rolling out new sites just fine since then. Australia got 30 new sites this year, they are as reliable as ever. But guessing you have never used one, so wouldn't know that. The team changed as they had been crap, its what you do when terms don't perform well as a leader, fix them. In this case, it was to toss them all out and start again.
        
        https://thedriven.io/2024/09/15/tesla-to-add-30-new-supercha…
        
        There's al long history of 'government efficiency' restructure and spending cuts that end up slowing down government efficiency quite quickly, then they end up ramping back up again after a few years pncs they get all the required employees back.
        
        That's the big company efficiency cycle, this cycle has been going on since the start of time.
        
        I think this time it won't be a trimming of staff like the past, but more a trimming of departments that are much harder to return down the track, unlike trimmed head count from a department that magically appear.
        
        I've been in departments that trim 10 bodies, then hire 11 back over the next year, then trim 10, and the cycle repeats. But delete the department, and well things change, much harder to start a department than add a body to an existing one.
        
        Again, either of us know what will happen, find out next year!
        
        Danstar on 26/11/2024 - 08:40
        
        -2
        
        @JimmyF: Also something to consider is Musk isn’t in this for the money. Most Polly’s work for financial gain, which leads to corruption or “jobs for the boys”
        
        The way Musk carries himself about; he seems he cares more about his reputation/legacy
        
        JimmyF on 26/11/2024 - 09:09
        
        @Danstar:
        
        Also something to consider is Musk isn’t in this for the money
        
        100% agree, people seem to not realize he isn't worried about his net worth like other billionaires are who collect yachts now days. Money is only a means to do what he wants to do. The guy could have checked out years ago, brought a small country and did whatever he wanted without a care in the world.
        
        The way Musk carries himself about; he seems he cares more about his reputation/legacy
        
        I think he cares more about his master plan than his reputation. He wants his legacy to be getting humans to Mars.
        
        Euphemistic on 26/11/2024 - 12:40
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        100% agree, people seem to not realize he isn't worried about his net worth like other billionaires are who collect yachts now days.
        
        Disagree with that, but its an opinion and everyone has one. You don't get to be that wealthy without being selfish in nature.
        
        If he isnt driven by 'more money', could be more dangerous than if he is just out to line his pockets. If hes there to increase the worth (financially and otherwise) and influence of his pet projects, then hes likely to be more ruthless.
        
        Tesla already 'self certified' the cybertruck, and we can see how thats not friendly to other parties such that it cant be sold in the EU. He will be keen to cut the certification processes for self driving which could literally endanger lives.
        
        JimmyF on 26/11/2024 - 13:42
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        Disagree with that, but its an opinion and everyone has one. You don't get to be that wealthy without being selfish in nature.
        
        Most of his wealth is locked up in shares/companies, but there is a point that it doesn't matter if you have $2b or $200b in your bank account. More money isn't what drives most of these people at the end of the day.
        
        Would you say Bill Gates was driven by money or just got lucky that MS share price boomed and he was a major holder?
        
        How about Steve Jobs? Was he just in it for the money?
        
        If he isnt driven by 'more money', could be more dangerous than if he is just out to line his pockets.
        
        That makes zero sense, so someone out to make only money using their business is less dangerous than someone who just wants their business to progress forward.
        
        Tesla already 'self certified' the cybertruck, and we can see how thats not friendly to other parties such that it cant be sold in the EU. He will be keen to cut the certification processes for self driving which could literally endanger lives.
        
        And yet we have cybertrucks already registered in the EU. https://www.teslarati.com/first-tesla-cybertrucks-registered…
        
        The issue the Cybertruck has, is the same issues most of the USA jumbo 'trucks' have. Not very people friendly.
        
        The Cybertruck was made for the USA market, I'm sure it can be adjusted for other markets as needed. As someone who has personally seen the CT, while cool, it is just too big for Australian roads, like all the other oversized yank tanks we get. So I don't really want to see it here.
        
        But I could entertain a CT Mini, that is about 3/4 of its size.
        
        Euphemistic on 26/11/2024 - 14:27
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        And yet we have cybertrucks already registered in the EU
        
        Did you even read the article? It clearly states that these are highly unlikely to have been registered through normal processes. More likely individual rego and registered as a truck, not a passenger vehicle so that means truck licences and probably higher rego fees and tolls etc.
        
        The issue the Cybertruck has, is the same issues most of the USA jumbo 'trucks' have. Not very people friendly.
        
        Its not just that. The article clearly atates that there is a minimum radius for edges on vehicle which the cybertruck will not meet without significant redesign plus theres no mention of crash safety standards that the cybertruck seens to have bypassed because the US system doesnt require it for trucks.
        
        Anyway, i see very few signs (lately) that hes in anything for more than himself. What happenend to the promise to solve world poverty? At least Bull Gates has a serious foundation set up to help some.
        
        JimmyF on 26/11/2024 - 14:54
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        Did you even read the article?
        
        I did, but doesn't change the fact, you said they can't be registered in the EU as they are illegal, but yet here they are.
        
        But you know I know this, as you replied to my comment about what the CT issue in the EU is all about.
        
        Its not just that. The article clearly atates that there is a minimum radius for edges on vehicle which the cybertruck will not meet without significant redesign
        
        Easy enough to fix considering the panels are just skins. As I said, not really interested in seeing a CT on our roads, far too big. So happy for them to stay in the land of the large.
        
        What happenend to the promise to solve world poverty?
        
        Musk is still waiting for a plan from the UN. He never said he would solve it, he said he would donate $6B to anyone who could solve it. The best the UN could do with $6b was save 42 million people across 43 countries from starvation. Far from solving it, so no money for them.
        
        Lots of people have claimed they want to solve world poverty, including Gates. How has that worked out for them? Gee we even had a PM of this country say something about No Australian child will be living in poverty by 1990, how did that work out?
        
        https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/stories/how-much-money-…
        
        At least Bull Gates has a serious foundation set up to help some.
        
        The Foundation has spent $80b USD so far, how did that work out for everyone?
        
        If you watch the doco about Bill Gates, he talks about the foundation and even Bill Gates himself said they are struggling to solve the issues they wanted to solve.
        
        So its funny that Musk is held to such higher standards than the other billionaires. Whats bezos done for us lately? Brought another yacht? Building some clock inside a mountain? Trying to play spaceman, but yet to get into orbit.
        
        Euphemistic on 26/11/2024 - 16:14
        
        @JimmyF:
        
        you said they can't be registered in the EU as they are illegal, but yet here they are.
        
        Go back and check. I said cant be SOLD in the EU.
        
        So elon offered $6b and they said they could save 42million people in 43 countries and he just decided to not do that? And ypure still defending him?
        
        JimmyF on 26/11/2024 - 16:28
        
        -1
        
        @Euphemistic:
        
        So elon offered $6b and they said they could save 42million people in 43 countries and he just decided to not do that? And ypure still defending him?
        
        No, Elon offered $6b towards solving world poverty. Saving 42m isn't solving world poverty now is it? Have you donated money to saving people from poverty or just expecting someone else to do it for you?
        
        Yeah I'm defending him, as your claim was Elon said he would solve world poverty. But you failed to fact check the cooker stuff you said as he said nothing of the sorts, he said he would put $6b towards a plan that solves world poverty. He is still waiting on that plan.
        
        But tell me more about what Bill Gates and his $80b have done? Surely Bill must have saved at least 500m from poverty with a spend like that!
idonotknowwhy on 21/11/2024 - 13:20

+1

TIL Tesla's are hated. I wouldn't buy personally, but I like it when other people do because they're quiet.
- Brick Tamland on 21/11/2024 - 13:43
  
  Too bad their owners aren’t as quiet.
  - whyisave on 21/11/2024 - 20:46
    
    +2
    
    Loud people are always loud, irrespective of whether they're vegan, jabbed, cross-fit, world-traveled, Apple fanbois or EV driving.
    It's just a type of personality (some kind of complex) that finds comfort, in a perceived "better person" than others.
    - idonotknowwhy on 26/11/2024 - 11:07
      
      +1
      
      Agreed. The people I know who drive Teslas don't seem to make a big deal about it.
      Except one guy who talks really passionately about it, but he does this with everything — crypto, torrents, his phone, double-glazed windows — whatever he's just discovered at the time lol
nobro25 on 21/11/2024 - 13:34

+1

Buy DOGECOIN and get a Tesla for free. :)
SerialExperience on 21/11/2024 - 17:31

+5

Complaints about the CEO are unfounded. I have yet to see a CEO of any company I liked on a personal level.
- Brick Tamland on 21/11/2024 - 21:02
  
  -3
  
  Maybe you need to mix in better social circles?
AccessMax on 21/11/2024 - 22:37

+6

I hate Teslas because I cant afford.
- sonovolantis on 22/11/2024 - 10:20
  
  -1
  
  true ozbargainer
gentlekoala5906 on 22/11/2024 - 07:25

I don't hate them, but I dislike that they have very poor build quality.
xeno85 on 22/11/2024 - 09:02

I won’t say I hate Tesla but the quality finish on them is horrible from the paint to misaligned panels.
It scares me to think what quality issues occur under the skin
- shaybisc on 22/11/2024 - 10:08
  
  +1
  
  Are they built in America? You know that the poor build quality of American cars is legendary - a long-running gag among Americans Why should Teslas be any any different.
  - brandt on 22/11/2024 - 15:53
    
    +1
    
    Model 3s are made in China and the quality has improved dramatically since the production moved there.
    - klaw81 on 22/11/2024 - 17:28
      
      +1
      
      Just to be clear - the ones sold into the US market are all made in the US, and they're the ones with the notorious panel gap issues.
      
      All Model 3's since 2021(?) and all Model Ys delivered to Australia are made in Shanghai, and the quality of those vehicles is significantly higher.
Croshema on 22/11/2024 - 09:35

I wonder if it is the iPhone effect? People often rebel against things as they become popular.

That said I do think it’s the noisy minority of tools making noise, most couldn’t care if you were terminally ill
let alone what car you drive.
- shaybisc on 22/11/2024 - 10:10
  
  +1
  
  If Tim Apple started acting like Musk he would be sacked by the end of the week.
Protractor on 22/11/2024 - 10:32

Musk was born into privilege, where oppression ,slavery,exploitation etc delivered big time, to one side of the ledger.

Don't underestimate the power of that kick-start (universally)
Maybe many people see that when they see his Teslas?
Do Telslas come in an 'emerald' colour?
duluxe2000 on 22/11/2024 - 14:21

Haters (of anything) are always vocal, it does not mean they are majority. Like in this post, I guess most of them voted, the rest of Ozbargain just does not care.

If you like n afford the car, just buy it.
brandt on 22/11/2024 - 15:52

+1

I don't hate Tesla, I just wouldn't never buy one because I don't think its the best value for money. The people who hate Tesla are either ones who hate EVs and think its a part of "woke" agenda or those who think that liking internal combustion engines is an identity.
Shane043 on 23/11/2024 - 12:59

Poll needs an option "I hate Teslas because of the types of people that drive them".
changyang1230 on 23/11/2024 - 13:11

+3

I’m a doctor and plenty of my colleagues drive a Tesla.

I’m surprised that so many people have formed the impression that “a lot of Tesla drivers are (profanity)” as I’m sure both myself and my colleagues aren’t one of those. Personally I bought one as when I went in the market for one, the price-to-performance was among the best and Elon Musk wasn’t as nasty as he currently is. But we don’t behave high and mighty or talk about it all day unlike how people described here; I mostly got it for the good car it was.

So I do wonder what kinds of people that you guys truly hang out with.
- Brick Tamland on 24/11/2024 - 11:56
  
  I think a lot of people buy Tesla as a status symbol. Not to stereotype to much but they seem very popular amongst a certain 2 demographics
  - khomeini on 24/11/2024 - 11:57
    
    +1
    
    Brick - which demographics are those? Please clarify.
    
    PS. As noted in my previous comments, I also have a Tesla (and don't associate with other Tesla drivers) and I only got it because of the performance/cost. If there was something cheaper with the same performance I'd consider it (this from someone who wanted a Nissan GTR but got shot down by my significant other).
    - Brick Tamland on 24/11/2024 - 12:12
      
      +1
      
      Anecdotally and possibly skewed by my location of outer suburbia, young Indian subcontinent and Asian.
      
      I would have said boomers too but they seem to be getting into the MG and BYD a lot more than Tesla now.
      - Euphemistic on 24/11/2024 - 14:29
        
        -1
        
        @Brick Tamland: Tesla was the way to get into low carbon transport for those with a decent budget and a bit of environmental awareness. Now there are more options and mkre bidhet friendly. If you dont need a big car and dont need to rush longer trips indont see good reasons to not by a BYD or MG.
        
        Brick Tamland on 24/11/2024 - 16:40
        
        @Euphemistic: It’s not for me. I like my sports cars. There is nothing in the EV sphere for me.
        
        shaybisc on 25/11/2024 - 08:49
        
        @Brick Tamland: "It’s not for me. I like my sports cars. There is nothing in the EV sphere for me."
        
        EV sports car is an oxymoron with the batteries in use today. Sure you can get sensational acceleration but it takes a massively heavy battery which means a very heavy car which is the opposite of what you want.
        
        Brick Tamland on 25/11/2024 - 09:50
        
        +1
        
        @shaybisc: Yep. I have a BRZ at the moment. It’s a hilariously fun car because it’s light, handles well with direct steering and is low to the ground. I don’t think EVs will get close to this type of car until a revolutionary battery tech is introduced. I don’t really care for outright acceleration or speed, it’s too dangerous to your licence and isn’t that fun when you get over the novelty.
- Andard on 21/12/2024 - 07:37
  
  -1
  
  I’m sure both myself and my colleagues aren’t one of those.
  
  How sure ?

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