Why Are Tesla's Hated So Much?

dylanando on 17/11/2024 - 15:21
Last edited 19/11/2024 - 21:57 by 1 other user

Teslas often seem to be a magnet for frustration and anger, which I find quite strange. By now, most people know that Teslas have Sentry Mode, constantly recording their surroundings, yet they still get targeted. It’s odd that a car can provoke such strong emotions.

I’ll admit it—I own one, and the number of ‘snarky’ comments I get from random strangers is unreal. Just the other day at a car wash, an older guy came up to me and asked, “Won’t you get electrocuted washing that thing?” Seriously, I had to laugh.

But it does make me wonder—why are Teslas hated so much?

This was uploaded yesterday with a girl throwing a glass bottle at one in Moolooaba, QLD.
https://www.carexplore.com.au/tesla-targeted-woman-throws-gl…

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  • 563
    I hate Tesla because of Elon
  • 6
    I hate Tesla because im Old
  • 15
    I hate Tesla because its an EV
  • 431
    Tesla's are ok
  • 167
    I hate Tesla because their owners bang on about them non stop.
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Comments

  • jv on 18/11/2024 - 12:34
    -1

    Why Are Tesla's Hated So Much?

    Because they are dangerous…

  • Charity on 18/11/2024 - 12:37
    -1

    You hate him - because you are told to hate him.

    Same reason you hate Trump. You and Hollywood used to love him up until 2016. You and the media used to love Elon up until he bought Twitter.

    Be honest you can’t, or are reluctant, to think for yourself. Your Uni no longer endorses critical thinking. It hurts. It is ostracising. So you switch off your own brain to get along. Like so many other weak minded people.

    Why are you being told to hate him?

    • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 12:45
      +3

      Be honest you can’t, or are reluctant, to think for yourself.

      What a ridiculous assertion.

      Your Uni no longer endorses critical thinking

      Could you drip with more condescension? What makes you think everyone here is a Uni graduate? Or has been to Uni in the past decade or two?

      Like so many other weak minded people.

      Like the weak mind of people who hand out generalized insults to an entire userbase without knowing any of them, or having even vague justifications for them?

      There are plenty of tangible reasons to dislike Musk - you only have to read a collection of his latest tweets to see that he acts like a nasty, toxic a$$hole a lot of the time.

      • trapper on 18/11/2024 - 13:01
        +2

        There are plenty of tangible reasons to dislike Musk - you only have to read a collection of his latest tweets to see that he acts like a nasty, toxic a$$hole a lot of the time.

        Like what though? People make statements like this, but it is literally not true.

        Go and actually look at his latest tweets…

        • PiratePete1911 on 18/11/2024 - 16:25
          +2

          The two that come to mind immediately are him retweeting a great replacement theory post and saying "The actual truth" and the other after Taylor Swift said she was one of the childless cat ladies Elon Musk posted a gross tweet saying he would happily give her a child.

        • Brick Tamland on 18/11/2024 - 19:14

          Elon is objectively gross.

    • Beef jerky time on 18/11/2024 - 13:24
      +2

      This is so hilariously stupid.

  • jaimex2 on 18/11/2024 - 13:03
    +2

    Media tells us to hate Musk and Teslas because….

    Grrr!! Do we need a reason?!

    We just do ok. What else are going to hate? The government and media? I don't think so.

    • PiratePete1911 on 18/11/2024 - 16:28

      You can hate more than one thing, I hate the Government, the media and Elon.

      I am a big fan of 1790s France.

      • jaimex2 on 18/11/2024 - 20:05
        +1

        I'm down for a guillotine party.

  • Xistre on 18/11/2024 - 13:33
    +2

    I think its because its new, relatively expensive and owners like to rave on about the pros of owning one. Its easier to hate too since they are so distinct looking and I think its the anti-thesis of the aussie bogan car, loud, v8 petrol or turbo diesel, of which now that holden and ford have exited the market, there arent as many options.

    I also believe the merits for being green aren't quite there yet, and this has the people up in arms too since the supply chain and energy transition hasn't occured yet to be fully ESG credentialed. And aussies love to cut down the self-righteous!

    Source: Own a tesla, and am a car enthusiast and still own/love ICE cars.

  • Rako on 18/11/2024 - 13:35

    They are too quiet dangerous for pedestrians especially in shopping centre car parks.

    • changyang1230 on 18/11/2024 - 15:41

      This is now a moot point as all new EVs have legally mandated pedestrian warning system which emits droning / buzzing sounds when the EV is moving at low speed e.g. backing out from parking. Have you not come across them?

    • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 15:47
      +1

      They are too quiet dangerous for pedestrians especially in shopping centre car parks.

      This is absolutely not a car problem. It's a careless / inattentive pedestrian problem, and/or a poorly designed pedestrian access problem.

      Nobody should want a slow-moving car to make noise to warn the surrounding area of its presence. People are accustomed to using noise as a substitute for awareness in shared areas, not because it's a great idea for cars to make noise.

  • Kara-Murza on 18/11/2024 - 13:43
    +1

    Wouldn't stop me from buying at the right price (which it is not remotely near right now), but I think the key reasons are the CEO of the company is a chode plus they look really ugly plus perceived obnoxious behaviour from owners.

  • Drakesy on 18/11/2024 - 14:21
    +5

    I don't have an issue with Tesla, they're cars are simple and do a decent job of enabling reliable EV operations.

    I have an issue with Elon, yes he's conservative looney, but he did change the vehicle landscape by saying a big F U to GM and Ford and manufacturing a far better alternative.

  • PleasureMachine on 18/11/2024 - 14:34
    +2

    I do enjoy Musk's innovation and drive but his political influences are just leaving a bad taste in the mouth for now. Much less palatable now than initially.

  • Dc80 on 18/11/2024 - 14:49

    I don't mind them, but I despise that Tesla do not correctly align their headlights upon delivery to the customer. I am constantly dazzled by oncoming Tesla headlights when driving despite driving a high riding 4wd. It wouldn't surprise me if you picked a regular Tesla off the road that they do not meet ADR or whatever road rules dictate headlight spread.

    Same goes to an extent for the later years Prado 150 series.

  • Cusack on 18/11/2024 - 14:56
    +1

    Top reason is coz of Elon? Some care to explain why?

    • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 15:30
      +3

      He has a long and public history of lying, acting like a child, erratic descion-making, spreading misinformation, treaing his employees poorly and generally behaving like he's above criticism. I don't care if you're a billionare or a bus stop hobo; behave that way and I'll lose all respect for you.

      Elon showed his true colours years ago when he called that Thai cave rescue diver a pedo because they didn't want to use his submarine, lol.

      • Cusack on 18/11/2024 - 17:49

        What’s he lied abt? And what misinformation did he spread?

        • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 18:08
          +1

          Many examples, but here's a recent one that includes a nice combination of misinformation and lies: Fact check: Elon Musk spreads US election lies

          More reading here and here. Let me know if I can do any more googling for you!

          • arkie0 on 18/11/2024 - 19:12
            -1

            @Ozybargdias: Can you google a non far left source?

            • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 19:13

              @arkie0: The original source is Elon's own tweets. The articles are just providing links to the tweets, and some commentary to provide context

              Are you calling Elon "far left"?

              • Cusack on 18/11/2024 - 19:27
                -1

                @klaw81: Ummm. I just read some of those tweets. Nothing sinister abt them at all. Some of them even jokes yet taken seriously by those articles. Wtf?

              • arkie0 on 18/11/2024 - 19:32

                @klaw81: People can interpret his tweets a number of ways. Say - This one

                1. Interpret it as humour, though funny for some, not funny for others, but Musk's version of Humour.
                2. 935 days since Elon promised to make become a world leading drug smuggler to get all our kids addicted to Cocaine.

                First point on the DW article is even funnier considering the Latino/Hispanic vote went Trump's way.
                Anyone can see the Kamala tweet as a joke / anti joke response to her calling Trump a dictator.

                some commentary to provide context

                The context is interpreted from a "far left" view. I watch DW regularly, and also Sky, and also AJ… and DW is far left.

                • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 20:15

                  @arkie0: Here’s an article setting out some of Elon’s misleading nonsense from The Australian:

                  ‘Misinformation megaphone’: Musk stokes tension before US election https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/misinforma…

                  Guess you’ll be telling us The Oz is far-left now…

                  • arkie0 on 18/11/2024 - 21:01
                    -2

                    @Ozybargdias: Please don't spread misinformation. The source is the AFP, the AFP who is left leaning but more center than DW. It's just republished in the Australian.

                    Within the article, it references researchers from the Center for Countering Digital Hate which has "ties to the left-wing British Labour Party and British left-progressivism". It's main purpose is to deplatform misinformation - and surprise surprise all their targets are companies with conservative views. I'm all for stopping the spread of misinformation but not agreeing with someone else's views just because it's conservative isn't always misinformation.

                  • Cusack on 19/11/2024 - 10:29

                    @Ozybargdias: Mate I’ve read them and it was a waste of my time. Things blown out of proportion, taken out of context, etc. Journalism really is dead nowadays. Instead of stating facts, they pick a side and write for it

  • Kavoth on 18/11/2024 - 15:19

    I bet people who are against Tesla because of Elon aren't aware of Mercedes-Benz, Merck, Shell, Siemens, Volkswagen, IBM, BMW, Bayer, Associated Press, Audi, Chase Bank, Deutsche Bank, Ford, Hugo Boss, IG Farben, ThyssenKrupp, and many more

    All collaborated with the Nazis. And not just that they happened to operate in Germany while the Nazis were in power. I mean directly supported the Nazi party, the Nazi war effort, and, in many cases (especially the pharmaceutical companies) the Holocaust.

    • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 15:36
      +2

      Everybody knows this, and nobody cares because the companies you've listed are no longer run by Nazis.

      Tesla, however, is still run by Elon. I suspect the people who hate Tesla just because of Elon would stop hating Tesla if somebody else took charge of the company. Can't see why you'd think that would be at all inconsistent or irrational.

    • HarleyQuinn888 on 18/11/2024 - 17:19
      -1

      You forgot that the Vatican City gave the Nazy Party more than $2 Billion
      But then again what happened to the jews is "Karma" the first recorded genocide in the bible was when "god" told King David to kill all the Cannaanites, Hittites Jebusites, which are races of people… so what goes around comes around

  • afah0447 on 18/11/2024 - 15:25

    They are alright but from all reports they have poor coachwork compared to legacy manufacturers. Panels not lining up and visible gaps. They are still too expensive in Australia as well. BYDs apparently are catching up pretty quickly in terms of quality.

    • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 15:33
      +1

      from all reports they have poor coachwork compared to legacy manufacturers. Panels not lining up and visible gaps

      This is an old issue relating to cars made in the original Fremont factory in the US.

      Australian delivered Teslas have been sourced from Shanghai for a few years now, and the panel gaps are as good as anything else out there.

      They are still too expensive in Australia as well

      They're pretty price competitive in Australia.

      Competing EV products from Hyundai, Kia and Polestar are substantially more expensive, and BYD's offerings are very similarly priced but have their own quirks.

  • JamesBingo on 18/11/2024 - 15:28
    +1

    Smart cars, stupid owners.

    The finishes on the cars are pretty average given the Australian price sticker. Much more affordable in the US.

  • R4 on 18/11/2024 - 15:38
    +4

    Most Tesla haters:
    I hate Teslas because of Elon

    but

    I love Chery, MG, BYD etc made by the truly evil CCP

    Bizarre, hypocritical and pathetic

    • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 15:49
      +2

      Most Tesla lovers:

      I love Teslas because Elon is such an epic free-thinker science dude.

      but

      I hate Chery, MG, BYD etc. because the media narrative fuelled by Pentagon / miltiary-industrial complex warhawks told me the CCP is bad.

      Bizarre, hypocritical and pathetic.

      In all seriousness, I'm no CCP apologist but what have they done to make you think Chinese car owners are brainwashed hypocrites? It's more hypocritical to hate on Chinese car brands while driving a Chinese-made Tesla IMO.

      • R4 on 18/11/2024 - 16:10
        +1

        'told me the CCP is bad'

        No one needs to tell you - they genuinely are bad. They oppress and silence their own people (and have killed tens of millions of them) and oppress and 're-educate' their ethnic and religious minorities etc. Read a book. I get that many people no longer like Musk but he operates in a free society where he can say and do what he wants. Don't buy his cars by all means but then buy a BYD as some kind of moral alternative. Buy an EV made by free people in Japan, South Korea, Germany etc. I never said that 'Chinese car owners are brainwashed hypocrites'. Personally, I don't own an EV and although I'll probably buy one eventually, it won't be for a while. For me, in 2024, EVs are not viable and won't be for a few more years yet. I'll get one when I can drive it on the beach, can charge it from 10% to 100% in 5 minutes or under, drive it for 700kms on one charge and pay under $60k. Right now, apart from a few very expensive models, they're milk float clown cars and are impractical for anything but daily commuting.

        • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 16:47
          +2

          Sorry, but why should China oppressing their people affect my decision to buy a car from them? Particularly when pretty much everything else is made in China, including Tesla and many components used by other car manufacturers.

          Some of the countries you've alluded to outsource their car assembly to countries like Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam, which have their own human rights issues and arguably worse standards for workers.

          Checking your voting history you've clearly supported a bunch of cheap products made in China and other dodgy regimes - so why draw the line at cars?

          I'm not criticising your purchasing choices (after all, it's VERY difficult to achieve truly ethical consumption under capitalism). I just think you're making a bad argumment against Chinese cars (not just EVs).

        • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 17:05
          +1

          Also, you seem to have quite a limited view of what consistutes freedom. Trump and Elon are conspiring to put massive taxes on imports to make inferior and more expensive domestic products artificially competetive. It's like in the Soviet Union, where people were forced to buy government approved goods (and of course paid massive premiums for the superior western stuff smugged across the border).

          Is that your idea of freedom loving country, one that tells its citizens who to buy from and for how much?

      • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 17:16
        -1

        In all seriousness, I'm no CCP apologist but what have they done to make you think Chinese car owners are brainwashed hypocrites? It's more hypocritical to hate on Chinese car brands while driving a Chinese-made Tesla IMO.

        Oh God stop the earth, I wanna get off if you're serious!!

    • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 17:15
      -1

      Yep, CCP have never done anything wrong or mistreated its people or slaved them, or made people go missing.

      But Elon bad because MSM told me so.

  • Rockets84 on 18/11/2024 - 15:39

    If I bought a EV it's not likely to be a Tesla and that's more to do with the Tesla's too minimalist interior and that big screen being the focus for controlling far too much. I'm more a dials and switches kind of person so prefer a more traditional interior of the BYD Seal for example. And I'd prefer to have Apple CarPlay over a manufacturers software.

  • mrhugo on 18/11/2024 - 15:45

    IMO, the Model 3 and Model Y are too dated. A few small changes over the years….bored, com'on, lets have a new model already!

    The roadmap for Telsa is a cheap car, which will probably be a stripped down version from the Model 3 platform, and a Robotaxi which may be vaporware. Nothing in the way of a new platform/model.

    The BYD models and others are much more refreshing to look at.

    The antics of Elon don't help. A bit to unhinged for me, but he is a smart dude so these antics maybe how he wants to position himself publicly

  • AnotherRedLight on 18/11/2024 - 15:45

    Hate Elon leading with 44% from 511 votes.

    Teslas ok - 36% in not that close second.

    What a wild swing, i was a big fan of Elon when he dedicated himself to making all his business patents free to use to improve the planet.

    Drill baby drill.
    Deleted Shitter and got a Bluesky account :)

    • Cusack on 18/11/2024 - 17:51
      +2

      So what made you hate him now? Was it coz he bought twitter?

      • AnotherRedLight on 18/11/2024 - 18:18

        Well he committed a heap of crimes including labour & employment laws. That's not chill not paying staff what they are due.

        And hes thrown away any previous care for the environment he held.

        • Cusack on 18/11/2024 - 19:18

          I didn’t hear abt that. Was he found guilty?

          And thrown away previous care for environment, how so?

          • AnotherRedLight on 19/11/2024 - 11:18

            @Cusack: An obvious red herring reply. But ill bite.

            No he wasn't found guilty, he likely never will. Our "love" for these billionaires is weird.
            An employee steals $100 from the cash register and they are arrested and fired.

            A billionaire sacks 80% of the Twitter staff and refuses to pay contracted entitlements, 2 months pay + 1 week for each year of employment (quite reasonable yes?) and hes a "genius business man".

            Starlink has been ignoring FCC launch rules and EPA rules for a while now. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/spacex-polluted-…

            That and supporting Donald, who will sack all of the EPA, get rid any new green investment (solar panels steal the sunshine?) and drill for as much oil as possible.

            These increasingly destructive storms here in Aus will just keep becoming more frequent. Floods then bushfires then floods then bushfires forever.

            • Cusack on 19/11/2024 - 20:45

              @AnotherRedLight: Sacking twitter staff - if it was unfair dismissal according to each staff contract then he’ll end up paying eventually. No way around that.

              Starlink ignoring FCC - fair enough if true. Why haven’t they fined him?

              Supporting Trump - he’s not allowed to support Trump? Are you saying the vast majority of Americans who voted for him are now suddenly wrong and clueless?

              Drill as much oil as possible - not as much as possible but enough to no longer be dependent on other countries for oil.

              With environment stuff, have a look at data showing environmental impacts caused by US vs China. It’s nothing compared yet strange how people don’t have the same criticism/hate towards big polluters there. So are people really concerned ….or just acting virtuous?

              Seems like business as usual

              • AnotherRedLight on 20/11/2024 - 11:05

                @Cusack: An unintelligible reply, who could have expected from the obvious red herring question.
                A point by point breakdown below with facts for you to throw some more conspiracy theories at.

                then he’ll end up paying eventually. No way around that.

                No he won't, you think Billionaires are held to the same standard as the common folk?
                Murdochs. Rinehart, Musk etc etc all have direct access to the President/Prime Minister.
                Their Multiple millions in political donations are cheaper than paying their fair share of Royalties, taxes and entitlements. This is true for both the Left, Right & Green political parties.

                Starlink ignoring FCC - fair enough if true. Why haven’t they fined him?.

                https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-forcefully-r…

                Supporting Trump - he’s not allowed to support Trump? Are you saying the vast majority of Americans who voted for him are now suddenly wrong and clueless?

                First, the current vast majority margin is 1.7%. Biden beat Donald by 4.5%.
                Second, i said he has gone back on his Eco friendly views by supporting Donald, focus on that and that alone. Do you feel that Elon cares about the environment by supporting someone who will decimate the environment? If you dont have Children it probably doesn't matter to you.

                Drill as much oil as possible - not as much as possible but enough to no longer be dependent on other countries for oil.

                More nonsense, USA exports more oil than they import. They are not reliant on anyone.
                https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc…

                total petroleum exports were about 9.52 million barrels per day (b/d) and total petroleum imports were about 8.33 million b/d, making the United States an annual net total petroleum exporter for the third year in a row.

                With environment stuff, have a look at data showing environmental impacts caused by US vs China. It’s nothing compared yet strange how people don’t have the same criticism/hate towards big polluters there. So are people really concerned ….or just acting virtuous?

                What does China have to do with any of the points i made? please provide a source of my post indicting China.

                • Cusack on 21/11/2024 - 17:44
                  -3

                  @AnotherRedLight: So selling oil to other countries? Damn that’s even better!
                  Mate I’m not wasting anymore time reading heavily biased news articles that word things to suit the side they’re on.

                  Be honest with yourself. You don’t really care for the environment do you. You’re just really scared coz you’ve fallen for the climate fear mongering

                  Anyway have a good one. And don’t be so scared. ….its so beta 🥹

                  • AnotherRedLight on 21/11/2024 - 18:21

                    @Cusack:

                    And don’t be so scared. ….its so beta 🥹

                    Hahahaha, going to go fight the sun are you big macho strong alpha man?
                    ooh yeah big boy, probably beat your mrs after to make yourself feel more alpha.

                    • Cusack on 22/11/2024 - 09:31
                      -3

                      @AnotherRedLight: Your idea of alpha is completely off. …Way off.

                      Take care buddy.

  • Windows98 on 18/11/2024 - 15:46

    The comment you got at the car wash was probably a joke?

    And I think the videos that go around of people keying Tesla's or throwing shit at them are more so due to the fact that Tesla's are the only cars that have sentry mode so they're going to record these sorts of events where other cars don't. So there are thousands more non tesla cars being keyed but we don't have any footage of it. So it inflated the feeling that Tesla's are being targetted, when there's actually no data to compare it.

    People online will say Elon is a dick. And he is. But everyday people don't follow politics or even know who he is. Most people who don't follow news (which is a lot) still think he's a forward thinking entrepreneur who wants to save the world.

    Online and Reddit hate doesn't match the real world.

  • Speckled Jim on 18/11/2024 - 16:36

    From the poll, I voted 1. 3 and 5 would also be chosen if we could.
    2 is true, but not why I hate them.

  • pogichinoy on 18/11/2024 - 17:07
    +1

    Teslas are fine, and so is Elon.

    Most owners are annoying af. They’re like the new vegan.

    • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 17:14
      -1

      Owners of all new cars regardless of the brand are annoying AF, they are excited to share their new toys and bore you with the details.

  • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 17:13
    -2

    I hate Tesla because of Elon

    So the 200+ that voted, what has Elon done to piss you off. Give examples, not just random I don't like him statements.

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:02
      -2

      As I thought, you are all mad at Elon but no idea why other than MSM said he was bad!

  • muchape on 18/11/2024 - 17:16
    -1

    I hate them because of the bad build quality

    • Windows98 on 18/11/2024 - 17:49
      +1

      What quality issues have you had with your tesla?

      • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:02

        MSM said it was bad, so must be!!

  • HarleyQuinn888 on 18/11/2024 - 17:21

    WRT other companies contributing to the NAzis
    You forgot that the Vatican City gave the Nazy Party more than $2 Billion during WW2
    But then again what happened to the jews is "Karma" the first recorded genocide in the bible was when "god" told King David to kill all the Cannaanites, Hittites Jebusites, which are races of people… so what goes around comes around - Eye 4 an eye and all are blinded

  • fubariam2 on 18/11/2024 - 17:47
    +2

    I hate everything about Tesla because Not only Elon Being the Bigest Hypocrite Liar "Frredom of speech absolutist " yeah RIGHT try saying anything he doesnt like about what you say about Trump BANG your Banned on X/twitter (worlds Toilet cubicle ) and as such id Rather Buy a Cheap electric car that Blows up on me than BUY anything From Tesla

    Ps ….You Take My V8 Out of my DEAD HANDS before i Buy a Electric Car

    I do have solar pannels etcc JUST NOT HIS XXXXX

    • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 18:42
      -2

      Ps ….You Take My V8 Out of my DEAD HANDS before i Buy a Electric Car

      No one is taking your V8 or forcing you to buy a EV.

      Elon Being the Bigest Hypocrite Liar "Frredom of speech absolutist " yeah RIGHT try saying anything he doesnt like about what you say about Trump BANG your Banned on X/twitter

      How would you know if it was all banned? Surely it would only be glowing views of Elon then 🤔

      • fubariam2 on 19/11/2024 - 17:49

        By Unbanning only those of your POLITICAL persuasions SHOWS what a Hypocrite HE really is and only BOUGHT twitter for your OWN ends and if you do not understand that Logic i am sorry ….Control of Information ( so NO ONE can post how BAD and Dangerous EVS are…. eaven worse to the environment than Normal cars (to make ).
        I got Banned for telling something to Australian prime minister what he could do with himself
        Eaven though during the "Australian Royal commission " it was SPOT ON what i said about him … did i get unbanned even though i explained this to Twitter NOPE … But someone like Trump Bringing a insurrection and trying to illegally overturn a election …yep NP yeah your sweet Buddy Because if Trump gets in Im gona Get to be in charge of certain sections of government for my OWN benefit ……. (watch That SPACE )
        If i ever was Forced to buy a EV i sure as hell aint buying a SH…..T box Tesla Thats for sure

        Look at WHO got Unbanned ….. Only the ones that were PRO TRUMP

        • klaw81 on 19/11/2024 - 18:05
          +1

          I'd ban you just for your writing style.

          Geez dude, do you have any idea how hard that is to read? It's like your brain just vomited thoughts onto a keyboard.

          • fubariam2 on 19/11/2024 - 18:16
            -2

            @klaw81: lol yeah Grama Police…but thats a you problem isnt it, if you dont understand my writing style thats what i call a "woke Triggered reactionary" thats offended at Everything they hear and see because it doesnt suit their Palet or taste …And doesnt READ and then READ again and then Think oooh Thats what he means Ok i see that …. BUT NOOOOOOO not you your Just offended at Being offended arent ya .

            Grow Up your type is whats wrong with society today seriously … i bet you got to comedy shows just to be Triggered and walk
            out with making sure everyone's night is just craped on .

            • Euphemistic on 19/11/2024 - 20:13
              +1

              @fubariam2:

              if you dont understand my writing style thats what i call a "woke Triggered reactionary" thats offended at Everything they hear and see

              Nah dude. Its just very hard to read.

              From my experience those that cry 'woke' tend to be the ones that have been triggered.

        • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 20:01

          I got Banned for telling something to Australian prime minister what he could do with himself

          First you said he was banning people for Trump stuff, now you're saying it wasn't Trump by our PM? Make your mind up.

          Honestly looking at your rant, it seems you had been banned for not being able to use the English language at all.

          If i ever was Forced to buy a EV i sure as hell aint buying a SH…..T box Tesla Thats for sure

          No one cares what you want to buy, so buy what you like and move one. No one is stopping you buying a V8 or a BYD EV or whatever you want.

  • djathome on 18/11/2024 - 18:09

    $6000 a year for insurance just cause the might catch fire… Ill pass.
    https://www.finder.com.au/car-insurance/tesla-insurance-cost…

    • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 18:23
      +4

      Not a Tesla fan but those figures are rubbish. Average cost of insuring a Model Y is well under $3,000 according to youi. The ridculous $6,000 p.a. figures for Models S and X aren't relevant as these models probably make up <1% of Teslas on the road in Australia.

      Reddit has plenty of examples of people with clean insurance records getting premiums under $2,000 p.a.

      Also, Electric vehicle fires are very rare. The risk for petrol and diesel vehicles is at least 20 times higher. But don't let the truth get in the way of some nonsense fearmongering you read on Facebook.

      • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 19:19
        +1

        My annual premium was just over $1k on agreed value of $65k last year. This year's renewal is a bit higher.

      • R4 on 18/11/2024 - 22:45

        Still too expensive. I've just got a new Triton and for a $58k agreed value and a $600 excess my annual premium is under $800 with the RAC.

        • Ozybargdias on 19/11/2024 - 12:17

          So you might (generously) save $1,500 p.a. on insurance, but I can guarantee your annual fuel and maintenance bills are several times higher than that.

          There are plenty of understandable reasons a Triton might better suit of your needs than currently available EVs, but lower running costs is not one of them.

  • 2esc on 18/11/2024 - 18:30

    I think EV cars are a fantastic vehicle the problem isnt generally with the cars if you gave me a EV tomorrow it would work for 80% of my driving needs in my regional location but for the other 20% in both towing, rural trips and camping it just can't i can fill those requirements with a ICE vehicle I'm happy to have 2 vehicles.

    Its the blind delusional belief EV owners have that EVs are the answer for everything that annoys a lot of people because ICE owners are worried they will be forced to use a unsuitable vehicle.

    4x4 owners dont have any viable alternatives in EV form example my next door neighbour has his set up for a 1700 klm range because he can wander the bush for days exploring.

    The secondhand car market is the only way a lot of Australians can afford a car $5000 to $15000 they are worried about having to fork out bigger money than they can afford.

    I have a mate whos a tow truck driver every single weekend he has to go to Tamboritha which is only 286klms from Melbourne to pick up at least 1 EV with a flat battery. Two weeks ago it was 4 in the weekend. They dont understand how quickly hilly country can draw extra power especially a fully loaded one and this place is actually relatively close to many charging points unlike a lot of regional Victoria.

    Let EV vehicles evolve to fill society's need with further technology improvements it will happen just dont disadvantage people rushing ahead before the tech is actually here.

    • Ozybargdias on 18/11/2024 - 19:53
      +5

      Nobody is "coming for 4WDs" or trying to "end the weekend" - these are just Sky News talking points to boost engagement among outraged boomers. EVs are the future, but ICE cars will continue to be available as long as there's a market for them (which is likely to be at least a couple of decades for serious offroad / long distance goods transportation).

      Above said, I think we're within 5 years of a major inflection point. Once a critical mass of drivers adopt EVs (perhaps 20-30%), it will become unprofitable for many service stations to operate, and many local stations (particularly in suburbs / large towns) will go out of business, accellerating the adoption of EVs and further reducing the profitability of fuel sales in a perpetuating cycle.

      Stations at highway stops and regional towns will continue to operate, but the cost of fuel will increase as the massive economies of scale that support our current refuelling infrastructure start to break down. This will be a problem for those who can't afford to upgrade to an EV, those who can't charge at home, and those who regularly travel long distances between areas without public charging infrastructure.

      I expect the Federal Government will have to step in with an NBN-style inftrastructure program to provide charging infrastrure in areas where private companies won't take the initative, and to force commercial and housing developers (particularly apartment buildings) to include charge points as standard. It will be a big job, but far from impossible (and will actually help address the problem of excess solar generation during the day).

      Those who have concerns about the feasability of rolling out widespread charging infrastructure would do well to consider how mind-bogglingly complicated and expensive the world's existing refuelling / oil extraction / refinery infrastructure is by comparison.

      To vastly oversimplify, we spend trillions of dollars to build enourmous machines that suck black sluge from the earth - often from places that require us to spend trillions more on security and endless wars. We then spend countless more on the transport and refinement of that sludge into an end product that happens to be toxic and extremely flammable, requiring special infrastructure to be transported, stored and secured. Then, we need to build tens of thousands of unsightly refuelling stations across our cities and towns, often in prime locations that could otherwise be used for commercial or residential development. After all that, you still need to drive your car to the pump and pay a premium for the privilege - and do that every week for as long as you drive a petrol car.

      Meanwhile, I have some blue rectanges on my roof that push electrons straight into my car's battery for free :-)

      Appreciate that it's not as simple for everyone, but with a little leadership and investment it should be trivial to get 80% of Australians in an EV that meets all of their current needs (and more) within a decade.

    • achew on 19/11/2024 - 11:12
      +1

      People run out of fuel, or battery, or brains every day.

      Question is, how many of these EVs towed were Teslas?

  • Choc0 on 18/11/2024 - 19:51

    Right wingers hate Tesla for a perceived existential threat to their enormous ute/performance vehicle/weekend. This is the group most likely to road rage/scratch one on sight.
    Left wingers hate Tesla mainly because of the Owner, and will refuse to buy one on that basis.

  • VW-Kombi on 18/11/2024 - 20:18
    +2

    Wife needs heated seats which pushes us into top end levels or any car. I did a spreadsheet for staying with our current one (Subaru but had dealer issues), new rav4 hybrid and Tesla Y. After qld gov rebates, Tesla was 2k cheaper. I detailed everything for our situation. Tesla saving money but only as we charge at home at 8c. Went in each of the Chinese options and we found chalk and cheese with Tesla. I just wish Elon would quit!

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:06

      I just wish Elon would quit!

      Says the person with a profile name of VW Kombi…. Better not look into the roots of your VW or maybe you are a Hilter support after all!

  • PleasureMe on 18/11/2024 - 20:19

    Tesla's have no soul. They are ugly on the outside and bland on the inside. Take away the computer screen and you are left with something that is not enjoyable to sit in. Even if there were no other cars to buy in the world, I'd rather take public transport than buy a Tesla.

    • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 20:59
      +3

      Tesla's have no soul.

      I hate to break it to you, but no cars have a soul. Everything is perception and subjective bias.

  • Guerilla89 on 18/11/2024 - 20:56

    People hate Tesla's/ the people who drive them for a few reasons:
    1. They aren't actually environmentally friendly because of size/weight.
    2. People are jealous.
    3. Something about Tesla's reminds bullies about those people with super "punchable" faces.
    4. Generally speaking if someone thinks they are better than you, Australian's love to put them in their place, i.e. tall poppy syndrome.

    I think if we actually cared the environment, we could just price rego according to:
    1. Weight of the vehicle/wear the vehicle causes on the road.
    2. High rego for first few years (i.e. discourage buying a new car every 3 years), low rego for next 15 years, then high rego again to get old junkers/inefficient polluters off the road.

    Rego for small electric scooters should be free and they should be allowed on trains, we would have way less cars on the road. Yeah I wouldn't want to drive one, but that's only because everyone else drives cars. If there are people willing to make the switch first, they should be rewarded for it.

    • niknikniknik on 18/11/2024 - 23:20
      +1

      WA still has a component of Rego costs based on vehicle weight. Those RAM 1500 drivers deserve to pay up.

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:12
      +1
      1. They aren't actually environmentally friendly because of size/weight.

      The funny thing is, people claim this dribble without looking anything up. EV are not that heavy compared to lots of other cars on the road!

      Model 3 weight comes in at 1,761 to 1,854 kg, many cars on the road are heavy than this. Ford Ranger Raptor is nearly 2500kgs!

      The Model Y doesn't even break 2000kgs!

      I think if we actually cared the environment, we could just price rego according to:
      1. Weight of the vehicle/wear the vehicle causes on the road.

      Some states do this already. But rego doesn't go to roads, so don't really do much.

      1. High rego for first few years (i.e. discourage buying a new car every 3 years), low rego for next 15 years, then high rego again to get old junkers/inefficient polluters off the road.

      Should be the other way around. Older cars are WORST for the environment, have less safety system. Your 15 year old worn out engine blowing smoke isn't as great for the environment as you think.

      • Guerilla89 on 19/11/2024 - 21:22

        I'll leave the cost and age rankings up to the big wigs with the science degrees but you get the idea.

    • UltimateAI on 19/11/2024 - 16:51
      1. Is a Myth, many Tesla's standard ranges (which are by far the most popular and sold) are comparable in weight to their ICE counterparts. Infact the model Y comes in at 1.8T that's lighter than many traditional SUVs.
        The weight is more due to the safety aspect, have you seen how heavy Toyota's have become just to maintain\keep 5 star ratings combined with the Hybrid crap.
        Now trucks \ utes in EVs or EVs with massive range will weigh a lot.
      • Guerilla89 on 19/11/2024 - 21:24

        Anything bigger than a small car is what I'm talking about. Think Toyota Yaris.

  • Cusack on 18/11/2024 - 22:31
    +2

    Based on comments it appears ozbargainers suffer from MDS (Musk Derangement Syndrome)

    • R4 on 18/11/2024 - 23:54

      I love that he lives rent free in the heads of people who cannot accept the reality of the World and the direction the West is heading.

      MDS=TDS

      • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:13
        -1

        The west is f#cked, Australia is f#cked as well with all the imported crap labour we have coming here with no homes and no jobs.

        The west will end up being worst than 3rd world countries in the next 20 years.

        • R4 on 19/11/2024 - 13:44
          -1

          If nothing is done then that's what will happen but it looks to me at the moment that the Western World is changing. It's like turning a super tanker, but the West is moving to the right. People are getting sick of unchecked inward 3rd World migration and are agitating for change. The woke nonsense that dominated our societies for the last 10 years is now being challenged. etc. Immigration is going to be a massive factor in our next election and I see a race between the major parties about who can cut it the most. Personally, I'll vote for the party that proposes the biggest cuts to migration. For me, that's the main issue.

          • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 14:06
            -1

            @R4: Nothing is going to be done, it is 100% what will happen as it is too late to stop the unchecked inward rush of cheap imported labour from these countries.

            As the numbers are too great, no polly is going to go into an election saying stop immigration or depot people! Sure worked for Trump, but he was lucky! Won't work here.

            Instead we have stupid things like both sides supporting a national ID to use the internet, so they can track down posters of comments they don't like. God might as well roll over and hand Australia to the CCP now and save them having to invade us!

  • HangryCakeStore on 18/11/2024 - 23:05
    -1

    Just like any losers that scared and hate the china is winning electric car market, sucks in that teslas is losing ay? 😂

    • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:14
      +1

      CCP thanks you for your comment.

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