Why Are Tesla's Hated So Much?

dylanando on 17/11/2024 - 15:21
Last edited 19/11/2024 - 21:57 by 1 other user

Teslas often seem to be a magnet for frustration and anger, which I find quite strange. By now, most people know that Teslas have Sentry Mode, constantly recording their surroundings, yet they still get targeted. It’s odd that a car can provoke such strong emotions.

I’ll admit it—I own one, and the number of ‘snarky’ comments I get from random strangers is unreal. Just the other day at a car wash, an older guy came up to me and asked, “Won’t you get electrocuted washing that thing?” Seriously, I had to laugh.

But it does make me wonder—why are Teslas hated so much?

This was uploaded yesterday with a girl throwing a glass bottle at one in Moolooaba, QLD.
https://www.carexplore.com.au/tesla-targeted-woman-throws-gl…

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    I hate Tesla because of Elon
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    I hate Tesla because im Old
  • 15
    I hate Tesla because its an EV
  • 431
    Tesla's are ok
  • 167
    I hate Tesla because their owners bang on about them non stop.
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Comments

      • Hvrd on 18/11/2024 - 14:37
        -8

        More him telling Disney to f themselves, the gov trying to get Boeing to replace him so he can’t be too cozy with them

        • TheBilly on 18/11/2024 - 16:16
          +5

          So you think he is a maverick because his corporations are fighting other corporations for market share. Got it. Savior of humanity.

  • Downvoter on 17/11/2024 - 15:54
    +2

    Generally the ones I’ve seen have people that drive like phuckwits behind the wheel, booting it off at sets of lights and merging dangerously.

    • contrafibularities on 17/11/2024 - 16:16
      +4

      That may be however dual cab Ute driver often do much worse and they are not the target of random vandalism. There is something else happening.

    • ihfree on 17/11/2024 - 16:24
      +3

      I think there are enough of them now that there is a big range of behaviours.

      I've noticed a lot of reasonably incompetent Tesla drivers that drive slowly, struggle to keep their vehicle between lane lines or change lanes unpredictably.

    • Hypermajoris on 22/11/2024 - 22:36

      To be fair, a lot of non-Tesla drivers drive like that as well. 4WDs and pick up trucks being the worst offenders in my experience.

  • leiiv on 17/11/2024 - 15:55
    +11

    Maybe because Tesla is the first one that sells direct to customers bypassing many greedy car dealers aka middleman and thus some people really hate it because their livelihood is under attack. For me though, it is Tesla's major selling point.

      • Dejy on 18/11/2024 - 14:12
        +2

        Where do you see negotiable deals posted on this site? You get everything here for a better price without negotiating..

      • leiiv on 18/11/2024 - 22:12
        +2

        Only few people are really good at haggling. The rest of us are getting ripped off, not to mention it takes more time and more mental efforts. Good riddance.

    • MisterQ on 17/11/2024 - 21:30

      Yeah, I have heard people having day zero problems with their teslas and having to go back to have things fixed that should have been picked up in a pre-delivery check.

      • leiiv on 18/11/2024 - 22:13
        +2

        They can still have collection and service centres without the dealers handling the sales. The are not technically depend on each other.

      • SerialExperience on 21/11/2024 - 17:35

        If you are picking the car up you can do this on the day. If the car is being delivered you can refuse delivery if the car isn't up to standard. The onus is as always on you the buyer. The seller of any car doesn't give a damn they just want you to take the car.

  • Some Human on 17/11/2024 - 16:01
    +6

    Their logo reminds me of my internal ladybits and it makes me uncomfortable

  • SpaceNinja on 17/11/2024 - 16:15
    +12

    Tesla are ok but I believe some of the design choice they make are purely to satisfy eccentric thoughts of their supreme leader rather than what's best from product, customer perspective.

    • Cybertruck's angular/raw design.
    • Removed radar sensors: Camera-only Autopilot issues.
    • 4680 battery focus: Unproven technology emphasis.
    • Self-driving timelines: Unmet autonomy promises.
    • Falcon Wing doors: Reliability concerns.
    • Minimalist interiors: User experience compromised.
    • Yoke steering wheel: Mixed user feedback.
    • No physical controls: Touchscreen reliance.
    • Electric door mechanism with in-accessible manual door release, straight-up safety issue.
    • Needlessly "pointy" rocket design for SpaceX, which he has openly admitted he preferred. "I thought it would be funny to make it more pointy, so we did."
    • MisterQ on 17/11/2024 - 21:33
      +4

      Yeah, the CYbertruck which is "bulletproof" but apparently rusts if put through a car wash.

      Door mechanism - know someone with a Tesla who has had his door handle replaced 5 times under warranty - he asked how much when it goes out of warranty - he was told a couple of thousand for a door handle.

    • WT on 18/11/2024 - 08:09
      +6

      self driving has been promised "next year, its really close" for years now

      • netjock on 18/11/2024 - 09:57

        There is always a next year.

        • Dejy on 18/11/2024 - 14:15
          -1

          I think they can self drive in certain parts of the world though? Not sure when that feature would be available here in Australia though.

          • Euphemistic on 18/11/2024 - 18:24

            @Dejy: Self drive a bit. They still arent in a losition to be able to do the lot without ANY intervention.

            • [Deactivated] on 20/11/2024 - 00:18

              @Euphemistic: Noone else can do it either. It's basically AI, but unlike GPT models which can easily be fed the entire internet to produce a model that can write text, a self driving AI model lacks easy access to data.

              • Euphemistic on 20/11/2024 - 05:22

                @[Deactivated]: it lacked access until tesla driver data started being uploaded

                • [Deactivated] on 20/11/2024 - 12:01

                  @Euphemistic: So it's only a matter of time then. Obviously you can see the difference between petabytes of text data and video data.

    • SlickMick on 18/11/2024 - 10:44
      +2

      absolutely this. Elon should work in R&D or something, but keep him far away from design.

      I appreciate that teslas have rattled the cage and got real car manufacturers into action.
      Normally I'd support the one with the original idea, but tesla would have to hire better designers for me to buy one.

      I really hope my next car will have built-in dashcam. I'm surprised noone else is doing that.

  • contrafibularities on 17/11/2024 - 16:21
    +9

    I’m not a fan of Teslas ( I have another brand ev) but they are the most recognisable brand of ev and therefore the lightening rod for every Neanderthal that feels their puny manhood is being threatened by ev technology. The average ev hater is a close relative of the climate change denier and anti vaxxer. They generally don’t like change but not intelligent enough to articulate the reasons for their anger and rage they have to express it in illogical notions and verbal and physical abuse.

    • cloudy on 18/11/2024 - 07:16
      +3

      So when you say you are not a fan of Tesla, where in the “ close relative of the climate change denier and anti vaxxer. They generally don’t like change but not intelligent enough to articulate the reasons for their anger and rage they have to express it in illogical notions and verbal and physical abuse.” do you sit?

      I am also not a fan of Tesla, and also drive another brand of EV, but I think you are describing a small section of Tesla dislike.

      • contrafibularities on 18/11/2024 - 12:36
        +1

        So my point is that Teslas are just a target for those that hate ev technology, I dislike Teslas for reasons not connected to technology but rather aesthetics and a deep dislike of Musk. I would never think of keying them but there continue to be reports of vandalism despite the sentry system. I don’t think anyone has done a study or research about the motivations of those that hate Teslas so it hard to be definitive one way or the other.

        • cloudy on 18/11/2024 - 21:11

          Yep, I get what you're saying, my reasons for my sentiment towards Tesla is the same as yours.

    • saltypete on 19/11/2024 - 09:59
      +1

      I think this is a very large part of the issue. The USAus press has been fighting renewables in order to prolong the businesses of their advertisers. Tesla were the first with a viable market and theyve been a lightening rod for folk that are dragged along with the advertiser/lobbyists and the like.
      Add to that the lack of any advertising by Tesla - relying on press releases and word of mouth, Tesla owners have often become evangelists for the product.
      In many other countries its not really a thing.
      FWIW I own a Tesla, feel its a very good option for my family, CGAS (Couldnt Give A S@@t) what anyone decides to own, and certainly not interested in arguing about it. Got firm rules about not arguing with mugs…..👍

  • Nugs on 17/11/2024 - 16:27
    +1

    I like my powerwall (so far)
    No intention to buy a car though
    .

  • Seraphin7 on 17/11/2024 - 16:27
    -1

    There's something about Tesla drivers. Those that can't drive seem to be over-represented in the ownership group.

    • Roman Sandstorm on 19/11/2024 - 11:30
      +5

      There's something about Tesla drivers. Those that can't drive seem to be over-represented in the ownership group.

      Which is something one could say about…. Volvo drivers… BMW drivers… Dual-cab ute drivers… Toyota Crown drivers… Drivers who have a hat on their back shelf… One could go on forever.

      @Seraphin7, I recommend you look up 'confirmation bias', and be enlightened to the error of your ways.

      • khomeini on 23/11/2024 - 09:11
        +2

        "Drivers who have a hat on their back shelf"… whenever I see one of those in the fast lane I give a little sigh.

        Actually, I love fast cars, one of the reasons I have a Tesla M3P and think I can drive well (obviously subjective).

        A few points as a Tesla owner:

        • I detest ppl who drive slowly (or those who "can't drive") especially those in the fast lane and I can say the same for any brand car, but mostly Toyotas. If you're going at the speed limit and there's space, stay in the left lanes.
        • I dislike Musk (but I didn't buy the car because of him at all) - if I had to purchase another car today I would probably buy the BYD Seal
        • I don't brag about Tesla's, I don't care what someone drives. I know enough about cars and really whatever floats your boat. If you're happy with a "point a to b" then great. If you're after luxury great, if performance then you have options. Each to their own.
        • I hate people getting too into the "brand" of a car. I hear of (don't really see it) Tesla owners being like Apple owners - ie. You must love this car etc … who cares, it's just a car. Mind you this is what I hear from forums but realistically as a Tesla owner I don't partake or witness this.
        • the same goes for people who dislike a brand for whatever reason. You don't have to have such a visceral reaction to a car. I dislike Audi for what they did in the past but still think some of them are good models (RS*), especially as they own Lambo/Porsche.

        I've had people in my car who hate electric cars, I couldn't care less. It's just a car at the end of the day. /rant

  • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 17/11/2024 - 17:01
    -3

    I heard Electric vehicles are very unpopular in australia. like a low % sold compared to other countries. might have something to do with long drives with no towns between cities compared to america which means you are in trouble if you can't find a place to charge.

    anyway low % sold, but I have seen plenty of tesla's. so they aren't hated at all?

    I guess it helps I can't tell any other car is a Electric vehicle unless it obviously shows "Green Power" or something on the badge. oh one more way I found I can tell EV's is they have like a single long headlight and brakelight. fancy.

    • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 17/11/2024 - 21:44

      I think some users have too much invested in the meme value of this thread.

      seriously I’m not wrong am I? if you counted every single EV in Australia, 60% would probably be Tesla cars.

      at least until very recently. I noticed a lot of lower priced china EV threads so maybe it’s like 30% Tesla now. but probably beating the next most popular Chinese EV brand which might be around 25%.

      • ihfree on 18/11/2024 - 08:33

        I heard Electric vehicles are very unpopular in australia

        Those is more than likely a result of media consumption - either directly or indirectly.

        • Euphemistic on 18/11/2024 - 09:24
          +3

          Media spewing fossil fuel fan mail has a lot to answer for. There is a small portion of people whove been waiting for an affordable city EV since forever. The manufacturers havent brought them in in any decent numbers because they are easier to sell to other countries. So we couldnt buy them because they thought we wouldnt buy them as much as any other reason. Catch 22.

          • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 18/11/2024 - 16:40

            @Euphemistic:

            So we couldnt buy them because they thought we wouldnt buy them as much as any other reason.

            yeah that's what I heard too. like european countries and america already have had many EV models for awhile (I think smaller type EV cars). and those cars still aren't out yet here in Australia.

            • ihfree on 18/11/2024 - 18:02

              @n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Search news.com.au and have a read through their talking points on EVs. Depending on who you are discussing, you may notice those points of view come up in conversation.

              • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 18/11/2024 - 18:15

                @ihfree:

                Search news.com.au

                I stopped visiting that website because strangely it redirects you to some other address for a split second, and it's so fast I can't even read the address. did you notice this? it's been happening for awhile.

                • ihfree on 18/11/2024 - 18:17
                  +2

                  @n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: No, but if you're not using a ad-blocker, you should be. Anyway, you're not missing out on much. Like most things Murdoch media, IMO, it's pretty much pure trash.

                  • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 18/11/2024 - 18:19
                    +1

                    @ihfree:

                    it's pretty much pure trash.

                    yeah well I'm not exactly an expert on controversial stuff or any kind of politics so news in general is never on my list of "getting up to date". but I can honestly say the last time I scrolled down the home page of news.com, other than the big picture story at the top the rest was literally 80% boobs and yoga pants. this was during covid maybe it was when it was at it's worst. you know when journalists just copy pasted popular reddit posts and submitted them as articles. 😂

                    • ihfree on 18/11/2024 - 18:56
                      +3

                      @n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: If you're interested in learning more about media in Australia, the Senate Inquiry into Media Diversity is worth watching. Alternatively, going news sober is also great for your mental health.

        • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 18/11/2024 - 16:38

          not sure what your'e trying to say. is the media telling people EV's don't sell very well in australia? but it's not true?

          • [Deactivated] on 20/11/2024 - 00:31
            +1

            @n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Before Chinese competition was available (around 2022 to 2023) Teslas were often one of the top 5 selling cars each month. The model Y was the 6th highest selling vehicle in Australia in 2023.

            Number 1 and 2 are always trade vehicles which attract very generous tax incentives. A fair comparison would exclude them because they aren't competing with consumer vehicles.

            Considering that a large % of the population can't buy EVs (people who don't have a garage/live in an apartment) those are very impressive sales figures.

            Now that there is fierce competition from Chinese brands you see all these media articles about Teslas not selling.

            Ever seen an article about Mazda or Hyundai not selling? They are getting outsold by MG. Not in total units, because they have so many different products on the market, but individual models.

            The media is not objective, it writes articles that are friendly to its advertisers. The average person thinks EVs aren't selling while ICE vehicle manufacturers- who know the truth- are panicking and demanding tarrifs.

            • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 20/11/2024 - 17:04

              @[Deactivated]: thanks for the info.

              The media is not objective, it writes articles that are friendly to its advertisers.

              yup I'm aware everything has a agenda.

              The average person thinks EVs aren't selling while ICE vehicle manufacturers- who know the truth- are panicking and demanding tarrifs.

              I wasn't saying EV's aren't selling globally, just that australians aren't buying them as much as the rest of the world. especially because early models had small range and there are problems with charging stations available and different plugs. this was old info though like years ago. things might have changed since then.

            • khomeini on 23/11/2024 - 09:42

              @[Deactivated]: The media is not objective, it writes articles that are friendly to its advertisers.
              Underrated comment! well done.

      • neonlight on 19/11/2024 - 20:40

        From the recent motor show in Sydney I can tell you BYD, Deepal and Xpeng will be the main players.

        I don't hate Tesla as such. They are ok but it's not that crazy like some enthusiasts raving about it every day.

        I think the owners themselves just behave in a weird way

  • RotundPolarBear on 17/11/2024 - 17:09
    -2

    Elon Derangement Syndrome.

  • Danstar on 17/11/2024 - 17:16
    -5

    3 years ago lefties loved EVs and Elon.

    Now they still love EVs but have been told to hate Elon

    • cashless on 17/11/2024 - 18:02
      +7

      Righties here in Aus. We have right hand drive cars I believe

    • icomeforthecomments on 18/11/2024 - 00:25
      +4

      Told to hate lol. I think you’ll find the sheep are on the right. Trump has no pushback from his supporters - he can do or say whatever he wants and his peeps will apologise or bend over backwards to justify his positions or statements. That’s not normal. All political leaders need to be held to account. I’m impressed people on the left or centrist are taking a stand and rejecting the Elon/Trump worldview. If only those on the right grew a spine.

      • Danstar on 18/11/2024 - 08:35
        -3

        Rejecting? You do realise they just won the election including the popular vote ?

      • saltypete on 19/11/2024 - 10:04
        +1

        There's plenty of sheep both sides. If thats not apparent to you perhaps you're not paying sufficient attention.

  • Ryk on 17/11/2024 - 17:21
    +5

    people don't like change, it scares them.

  • pegaxs on 17/11/2024 - 17:28
    +6

    Damn, how do I click on ALL in the survey?

    I dont hate "Telsa" as a car. They are fine. They get the job done and are just another vehicle to pick from. They were a little over priced there for a while due to being the only "decent" player in the market, but even now that is changing and they are becoming cheaper… They are a little quirky though… Pushing the envelope or just too left field for some… (I like my blinker and wiper stalks.)

    Reasons I hate "Tesla" is that the owners are usually insufferable turds. The whole… "How do you know someone owns a Tesla? Dont worry, they'll let you know." I dont think I even need to start in on the owner of the company…

    So, I guess I dont hate the "cars", but I wouldn't own one based solely on the perceived stereotype of the standard owner and on the fact that I do NOT want to give that shitbag douche canoe, Elon "Trump simp" Musk a single cent.

    • Randolph Duke on 18/11/2024 - 07:31
      +3

      Elon won’t let you hold him at night. Anyone can view his comments on X.

      • zubzub on 18/11/2024 - 17:34

        Which one his comments touched you inappropriately?

    • McSquintus on 19/11/2024 - 11:08

      It's more so because of politics now. I think the industry is moving to EV's now whether big oil or legacy car OEM's like it or not.

      • JimmyF on 19/11/2024 - 13:01
        -1

        It's more so because of politics now.

        Ok lets go with this then. At most this might explain the hate for the last 6-12 months, so what about all the hate before that then?

        Why would Elons USA political views make Australians so upset at him?

        Are they also angry at anyone else that supported Trump publicly? I bet they couldn't even name anyone else that supported Trump!

        • McSquintus on 19/11/2024 - 15:55
          +1

          The hate wasn’t as bad before. Remember, by making EVs mainstream it means ICE vehicles will not seem like a good purchase moving forward and that threatens a lot of ICE owners.

          Elon also didn’t switch political sides overnight, it was gradual and many noticed.

          • JimmyF on 23/11/2024 - 15:51
            -1

            @McSquintus:

            Elon also didn’t switch political sides overnight, it was gradual and many noticed.

            Agreed, but the switch all started with Biden making the choice to ignore Tesla/SpaceX/Elon. Biden standing up saying GM was leading the EV revolution all while ignoring Tesla was the start of it all. Biden kept doubling down, and well it is what it is.

            In a two horse race, you don't have many options. Biden was out for Elon, so it was Trump, or Trump or Trump. Most people don't really seem to understand that. So Elon got behind Trump and make sure the 4 years will be a lot smoother.

            it means ICE vehicles will not seem like a good purchase moving forward and that threatens a lot of ICE owners.

            Cars are not investments, you'll rarely ever make money on a car, and certainly not within the first 20 years of the model being released. So not sure why people are so threatened over it. Buy your ICE, no one is stopping you.

            • Euphemistic on 23/11/2024 - 16:44
              +1

              @JimmyF:

              So Elon got behind Trump and make sure the 4 years will be a lot smoother.

              Smoother for who exactly? Elon backed dump because elon knew he could be manipulated to line elons pockets more. Ddump chops and changes to try to please people he thinks are strongmen or who can help increase his wealth.

              A trump administration will be anything but smooth sailing.

              • JimmyF on 23/11/2024 - 17:20

                @Euphemistic:

                Smoother for who exactly?

                Reading is hard, but it was listed in the comment you're replying to. Biden was a jerk to Elon.

                A trump administration will be anything but smooth sailing.

                Everyone said that last time and it wasn't that bad. See what happens this time.

                • Euphemistic on 23/11/2024 - 19:01

                  @JimmyF: Everyone said that last time and it wasn't that bad.

                  Yeah. Only a million peopke died and trillions added to debt and record unemployment. Not that bad really.

                  Be interesting to see what happens once there arent any people left with real knowledge and experience to try to guide him.

                  • JimmyF on 23/11/2024 - 20:26
                    -3

                    @Euphemistic:

                    Yeah. Only a million peopke died and trillions added to debt and record unemployment. Not that bad really.

                    And how did that compare with the rest of the world at the time after you adjust for population size?

                    Australia wasn't really any better, sure we didn't suffer the death as we had been island, but we got all the debt and unemployment issues.

                    • Euphemistic on 23/11/2024 - 22:18

                      @JimmyF: ** sigh **

                      • JimmyF on 24/11/2024 - 07:58
                        -1

                        @Euphemistic: Oh so we didn't get the high gov debt or the employment issues from covid?

                        Thank f#ck we didn't get the inflation issues from the gov printing money like no tomorrow like Trump!

                        Oh wait we did. So not much better than Trump.

                        The only thing we did better was the death, and that was because we are an island and closed up shop early.

                        So yes 1m dead is a lot, but then the USA has 300m people. They didn't contain it or try to stop it like a lot of countries did. So you also need to adjust that figure for countries population. They have 10x the people of Australia.

                        • Euphemistic on 24/11/2024 - 08:17

                          @JimmyF: Dont worry mate. Your heroes are gonna run the US for the next little while. Im sure itll all be rosy. What could possibly go wrong with an corrupt narcissist at the helm. I'm sure building a stupid wall, deporting all the labourers and raising tariffs on everything will work out just fine.

                          • JimmyF on 24/11/2024 - 15:53

                            @Euphemistic:

                            Your heroes are gonna run the US for the next little while. Im sure itll all be rosy

                            That's your view on how it will play out, history would say otherwise based on his earlier term.

                            What could possibly go wrong with an corrupt narcissist at the helm

                            Trump? Already been at the helm and the best you could claim he did wrong, was what happened to every other country in the world at the time. Australia has piled on the debt, Australia has employment issues, Australia had lots of death once we 'let it rip'. Just the same as the USA.

                            I'm sure building a stupid wall, deporting all the labourers and raising tariffs on everything will work out just fine.

                            Raised tariffs on imported goods to the USA has zero impact on your costs. So not sure why you're so upset over it!

                            Is it stupid, sure, but they voted for him, so let them eat their cake!

                            • Euphemistic on 24/11/2024 - 16:25
                              -1

                              @JimmyF: Can i get some of the rose coloured glasses you are wearing?

                              • JimmyF on 24/11/2024 - 18:53
                                -1

                                @Euphemistic:

                                Can i get some of the rose coloured glasses you are wearing?

                                So which bit is wrong!?

                                Did all countries not pile on the debt around the world?

                                Did all countries not suffer from employment issues?

                                Did all countries not suffer from death once COVID was let 'rip?

                                Did the world end last time Trump ran the show?

                                Does the USA import tariffs directly impact you living in Australia? Sure they are silly, but they don't impact us.

                                Seems like you might have forgotten what really happened.

                                Find out who is right or wrong in the next 4 years.

                                • Euphemistic on 24/11/2024 - 20:20
                                  -1

                                  @JimmyF: America suffered a lot more than Australia. It had pretty much the worst rate of death in the developed world. Australia was orders of magnitude lower.

                                  Aside from covid issues what did trump actually achieve in his last term?

                                  • JimmyF on 24/11/2024 - 21:19
                                    -3

                                    @Euphemistic:

                                    Aside from covid issues what did trump actually achieve in his last term?

                                    Nothing, but that inline with just about everyone else. What did Biden do?

                                    What's our PM done? Nothing, but push ID verification for all internet users. Lovely.

                                    • Euphemistic on 25/11/2024 - 05:41
                                      -1

                                      @JimmyF: You need to start getting your news elsewhere.

                                      • JimmyF on 25/11/2024 - 06:55
                                        -1

                                        @Euphemistic: LOL So I need to start getting me news elsewhere and yet you couldn't say I was wrong on any of the above?

                                        So if you have great news sources, then do enlightening me!

                                        • Euphemistic on 25/11/2024 - 07:32

                                          @JimmyF: Sorry. You are wrong on much of the above.

                                          Previous attempts to refutes your claims have fallen on deaf ears. You refuse to accept any facts.

                                          • JimmyF on 25/11/2024 - 10:04
                                            -2

                                            @Euphemistic:

                                            Previous attempts to refutes your claims have fallen on deaf ears. You refuse to accept any facts.

                                            What facts? All I've seen is opinions, no facts to back up your claims.

                                            Regardless, the same could be said for you. I'm so glad Australia didn't pile on the gov debt, have unemployment issues or suffer large amounts of death once we let it rip like the US had!

                                          • JimmyF on 25/11/2024 - 14:21
                                            -2

                                            @Euphemistic: yeah thought as much.

                                          • JimmyF on 25/11/2024 - 16:22
                                            -1

                                            @Euphemistic: Still waiting on your 'facts'.

                                            Looking at your posts, you can certainly dish out the neg comments, but certainly can't back them up!

            • McSquintus on 23/11/2024 - 18:20

              @JimmyF: I actually like what Musk is doing and hope to get a Tesla if something happens to my car. I know cars are not really investments but if EVs are considered more modern and the future, ICE vehicles may be harder to sell and this could make ICE vehicle owners upset.

              • JimmyF on 23/11/2024 - 20:30

                @McSquintus:

                ICE vehicles may be harder to sell and this could make ICE vehicle owners upset.

                Its been an age old issue for cars in general. Every year a new updated model rolls out and people want the older model less and less, as the years go on, the price keeps falling. I honestly don't know why ICE owners are upset. Even without EVs being a thing, buying a new car today, will mean it's next to worthless in 15 years time. I know, I've had a few cars.

                EVs or not, cars are not investments! They are money pits. Cost money to buy, cost money to hold (rego/insurance), cost money to use, cost money to service/repair.

                I actually like what Musk is doing and hope to get a Tesla if something happens to my car.

                Musk is trying to do something, which is more than other billionaires are doing. Bezos is just collect yachts at this point.

                When the time comes, take a Tesla for a drive and see for yourself.

    • khomeini on 23/11/2024 - 09:35

      @JimmyF - I dislike Elon Musk. I think he's an insufferable person with no morals, similar to Trump. These types of people, whilst successful in business, are not people you can trust or be friends with. [Morals being defined as someone who cheats and lies in their personal or professional lives]

      I own a Telsa btw. :)

      I find it interesting that RWNJ or right-wing supporters always point to MSM and misinformation. What media sources do you peruse: Twitter, Fox News, and Sky? They're blatantly propaganda - if you read research papers you'd conclude the same.

      One point about Musk is the fact he harps on about freedom of speech on Twitter, however anything which contradicts with his thoughts, ie. mention Palestine, even when it's a legit topic with a genocide occuring, marks you for violation of some crap as we know Tesla can't oppose the Jewish lobby. He has little knowledge on this topic, like most people, and jumping on a side most RWNJ join for no reason other than "it's my side".

      Don't conflate the two issues - dislike of Musk is not the same as dislike for Tesla's.

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