Why Are Tesla's Hated So Much?

dylanando on 17/11/2024 - 15:21
Last edited 19/11/2024 - 21:57 by 1 other user

Teslas often seem to be a magnet for frustration and anger, which I find quite strange. By now, most people know that Teslas have Sentry Mode, constantly recording their surroundings, yet they still get targeted. It’s odd that a car can provoke such strong emotions.

I’ll admit it—I own one, and the number of ‘snarky’ comments I get from random strangers is unreal. Just the other day at a car wash, an older guy came up to me and asked, “Won’t you get electrocuted washing that thing?” Seriously, I had to laugh.

But it does make me wonder—why are Teslas hated so much?

This was uploaded yesterday with a girl throwing a glass bottle at one in Moolooaba, QLD.
https://www.carexplore.com.au/tesla-targeted-woman-throws-gl…

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  • 563
    I hate Tesla because of Elon
  • 6
    I hate Tesla because im Old
  • 15
    I hate Tesla because its an EV
  • 431
    Tesla's are ok
  • 167
    I hate Tesla because their owners bang on about them non stop.
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Comments

      • JimmyF on 23/11/2024 - 10:00
        -2

        I find it interesting that RWNJ or right-wing supporters always point to MSM and misinformation. What media sources do you peruse: Twitter, Fox News, > > and Sky? They're blatantly propaganda - if you read research papers you'd conclude the same.

        LOL that was my entire point of the unwashed listen to MSM about how 'bad' Elon is, If you think Fox News or Sky outcomes are the same as 'real' research into the issues, then you''re doing it wrong.

        One point about Musk is the fact he harps on about freedom of speech on Twitter, however anything which contradicts with his thoughts, ie. mention Palestine, even when it's a legit topic with a genocide occuring, marks you for violation of some crap as we know Tesla can't oppose the Jewish lobby. He has little knowledge on this topic, like most people, and jumping on a side most RWNJ join for no reason other than "it's my side".

        Also another lie, you don't get flagged for disagreeing with Elon.

        Free speech on any platform or in real life doesn't mean people have to agree with you view. It means you get to have your say, they don't have to listen or agree.

        People are so used to having a single view shoved in their face, they don't know what to do now when two views are presented.

        • khomeini on 23/11/2024 - 10:35

          I don't mind your opinion or listening to both sides of any argument.

          But [and read my comment again as I mentioned it's specifically about Palestine] speaking from fact, people do get banned from Twitter if they post about Palestine, especially if reposting things happening there like child deaths, soldiers looting etc. It apparently "violates" their rules they have in place. Their rules are different on eg. Russia v Ukraine and Isreal v Palestine. So whilst people say it's free speech, it is infact not.

          This has happened to people around me who have been banned from his platform. Just that apparently they violate community rules they have in place. What those are, are subjective and controlled by the company (be it Twitter or Facebook etc)

          Agree that whilst diagreeing with him on everything might not be flagged but disagreeing with some topics like Palestine (which he's vocal about and supported by RW) is!

          I have one question for you (and anyone else who mentions MSM): What news outlets are you referring to?

          • JimmyF on 23/11/2024 - 11:20
            -2

            @khomeini:

            But [and read my comment again as I mentioned it's specifically about Palestine] speaking from fact, people do get banned from Twitter if they post about Palestine, especially if reposting things happening there like child deaths, soldiers looting etc. It apparently "violates" their rules they have in place.

            I'm not up with your Palestine Twitter/x removal issues you talk about. But a quick research into it seems to say the posts had violated policies aimed at stopping the spread of "violent and hateful content" and the platform removed posts which also included graphic content.

            So maybe they should try again without the graphic content and the content would be removed!

            It is a bit like this place, I can say I disagree with you and that isn't right, and the post will stay up.

            But if I called you a heap of names and said you're an idiot who doesn't know what you're talking about, the post gets removed.

            So is ozbargain any better? Its about the way you present the message.

            I have one question for you (and anyone else who mentions MSM): What news outlets are you referring to?

            Pick a 'news outlet' and I'll tell you if I class it as MSM or not, but pretty much any you pick, you'll find its loaded full of bait click crap that isn't news based on facts, it is all opinion pieces.

            Journalist are long gone, back in the day a journalist would present a unbiased article presenting both sides of the issue. Nowadays they are all opinion pieces drives to get clicks.

  • 0FoxGiven on 17/11/2024 - 17:59

    I used to be a big fan when they were leading the change and making EVs more mainstream but then:

    *The cars look positively plain/ugly compared to most EVs in a similar price range IMHO. The new Model 3 looks somewhat better though.
    *Except for maybe the self driving capability and Sentry mode, I don't feel like the Tesla's have anything that justifies their kinda premium prices.
    *Musk being highly associated with the brand doesn't help after going full mental
    * Tesla Fans acting like they bought a Merc equivalent or something and like it's a flawless car.

    • JimmyF on 17/11/2024 - 18:43
      -2

      when they were leading the change

      LOL They are still leading the change…. Who is doing it better? GM!

      The cars look

      The cars look like this for low drag. There is a reason the kWh/100kms is so low compared to 'others'. The Volvo SUV EV uses nearly twice the kWh at highway speeds to the MY!

      Except for maybe the self driving capability and Sentry mode, I don't feel like the Tesla's have anything that justifies their kinda premium prices.

      Do you own one? The car just 'works', the app is great, the keyless entry is great, the profiles linked to the phone is great, the nav is great, the planning charging on route is great. The stereo is great, the space is great. The charging network is great!

      And when I say great, I mean great to use and great to what the other OEMs offer.

      Musk being highly associated with the brand doesn't help after going full mental

      Sure Musk is out spoken I'll give you take one, but as Steve Jobs Crazy ones speech said the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do. So you gotta be a little crazy to take these things on.

      After Steves passing, it came out he was a totally ahole to work for and was batshit crazy when not in the public. Elon is Elon, what you see is what you get. There is no public facing Elon that the people see, and a Elon behind doors.

      Tesla Fans acting like they bought a Merc equivalent or something and like it's a flawless car.

      Fans love the car as they get better over time, unlike other OEMs that to get a new feature you have to buy a new model!

      Merc or BWM are not what they used to be, I wouldn't be aiming for their build quality levels anymore. The tech is out dated.

      • DoctorCalculon on 17/11/2024 - 21:18
        +2

        Elon that the people see, and a Elon behind doors.

        Elon is not the genius behind the cars or the original tech. Sure, he owns the company but the actual work is done by their talented designers and engineers at Tesla.
        Hating on Tesla because of EM is simply idiotic.

        Fans love the car as they get better over time

        Spot on. Every aspect of the vehicle is software controlled, and by now they are so many third party accessories in the market if you are into customising your Tesla.

        • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 09:22
          -4

          Elon is not the genius behind the cars or the original tech

          If you have ever listened to him talk about the details, he knows the products inside and out, far more than any CEO.

          he owns the company but the actual work is done by their talented designers and engineers at Tesla.

          Yep, no different to any other car company in the world. The BYD CEO isn't out there installing windscreens and polishing your paint as it goes down the production line.

          Love him or hate him, Elon has been able to gather an amazing team of designers and engineers at all his companies, who he gives vision to and inspires them to do amazing things that most like wasn't possible, like catching a rocket with chop sticks or creating EVs when everyone in the world was saying he was crazy!

          • Randolph Duke on 18/11/2024 - 12:24
            +6

            @JimmyF:

            who he gives vision to and inspires them to do amazing things that most like wasn't possible, like catching a rocket with chop sticks or creating EVs

            Jesus this is some serious fawning.

            • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 17:11
              -4

              @Randolph Duke:

              Jesus this is some serious fawning.

              Tesla has 100k plus employees but everything is done by Elon and it is all his fault? Right, got it.

              So SpaceX didn't just catch a rocket with chopsticks and that wasn't Elons vision that he inspired the team to do?

      • 0FoxGiven on 17/11/2024 - 22:45
        +4

        Who does it better?

        • BYD has better battery tech
        • BYD, Hyundai, Kia, etc (look better inside and outside. But the outside is subjective)
        • BYD, Hyundai, others have similar real world kWh/100km power efficiency as those of Teslas

        It just works?

        • My Toyota just 'works' as well. Mates who have a BYD hybrid and EVs have not used a charging network yet. And Tesla's charging network is going to be extended to other brands as well. I don't own a Tesla and don't plan to either. I have driven a Model 3, a Hyundai Ioniq, A BYD sealion 6. I liked the Hyundai and BYD better overall. I felt the model 3 handled a bit better though.

        • Only new features that can be enabled in a Tesla are software enabled ones which I personally don't care about and wouldn't want to pay extra for. But I'll agree that it helps when any bugs or enhancements can be pushed OTA. And I'd be surprised if that other brands dont just do the same soon

        • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 09:16
          -2

          BYD has better battery tech

          Questionable, its good tech for sure, but it isn't miles ahead of anything else is on the market. The BYD LFP Blade batteries have their own set of issues, lots of them run out with 10% left. They have 'calibration' issues, that require regular draining to under 10% and back to 100% to get the calibration back in check.

          BYD, Hyundai, Kia, etc (look better inside and outside. But the outside is subjective)

          As you said, subjective. If you like the legacy look and a sea of buttons, you'll love those cars for sure.

          BYD, Hyundai, others have similar real world kWh/100km power efficiency as those of Teslas

          They don't. Those BYD seals can suck 20kwh/100km on the highway, the volvos even more!

          Tesla's charging network is going to be extended to other brands as well

          It already is opened up, selected sites are open to all, but not all supercharging sites will be open to all.

          And I'd be surprised if that other brands dont just do the same soon

          BYD are trying, but they are having issues with getting it right and unlike Tesla can't update all components of the car. Some need a dealer visit for an update :/

          At the end of the day, buy what you like. But the hate to Tesla is just MSM brain washing. But most are so brainwashed they don't know they have been brainwashed.

          • SlickMick on 18/11/2024 - 10:55
            +3

            @JimmyF: lol for you to call someone else brainwashed is rich.

            You sound very much like an elon fanboi.

            • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 11:55
              -2

              @SlickMick:

              lol for you to call someone else brainwashed is rich.

              Ok then, so do tell me, why is he so bad?

              You sound very much like an elon fanboi.

              Sure if you want to call me that because I look past the oh Elon is rich, so must be bad views that people like you have.

              • SlickMick on 18/11/2024 - 14:11
                +1

                @JimmyF: When did I say he's bad?

                You don't sound neutral on him, you kinda sound like you feel the need to defend him from people you seem to assume would think he's bad.

                • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 17:09
                  -3

                  @SlickMick:

                  When did I say he's bad?

                  So is he bad or not then?

                  You don't sound neutral on him, you kinda sound like you feel the need to defend him from people you seem to assume would think he's bad.

                  You do understand that if one side presents a extreme view to one angle, posing any other view, its seen as showing a extreme view to the other way.

                  So because I don't agree with some peoples blanket statements and present different views, I'm defending him. Ok, next time I'll just say your wrong and move on. As you're wrong.

  • Gervais fanboy on 17/11/2024 - 19:23
    +2

    +32 - I hate Tesla because of Elon

    Appreciate these lot for being honest for once.

    • MS Paint on 17/11/2024 - 19:27
      +2

      +1 - I hate Tesla because im Old

      It was great that jv voted

  • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2024 - 19:38
    -3

    Only idiots hate Tesla, it's the best car and I love my Tesla.

    • cloudy on 18/11/2024 - 07:22
      -1

      Why Are Tesla's Hated So Much?

      ^

      Edit: I did not neg you hsbc

      • SlickMick on 18/11/2024 - 10:56

        did you run out of negs?

        • cloudy on 18/11/2024 - 12:31
          +2

          Nar, I just gave you one to prove it.

  • mirz on 17/11/2024 - 19:59
    -4

    People hate EVs just because they been pushed hard by government and throwing away tax payers money on EVs subsidies.

    It’s not just Tesla, every EV isn’t paying its fair share of taxes. So hate is obvious.

    • ihfree on 17/11/2024 - 20:17
      +8

      Do people hate raptors and other trucks for the same reason?

      • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 11:57
        +2

        People hate EVs just because they been pushed hard by government and throwing away tax payers money on EVs subsidies.

        What a load of crap, the EV subsidies are open to all companies who sell EVs.

        If you are upset over subsidies, lets talk about the ABN subsidies for Utes etc.

  • kool on 17/11/2024 - 20:10
    +5

    Tesla is the best EV when you consider the super charging network. Over the air software update makes up to date with feature enhancements.

    Of course novated lease is the icing in the cake which tipped me over to Tesla band wagon.

  • hasher22 on 17/11/2024 - 20:17
    +2

    Every Tesla owners I've met makes it their personality then goes on and on about their car and environment. They are so smug…..

    • netjock on 18/11/2024 - 09:59

      Then you find out they fly business class long haul like 3 times a year. Has a boat and maybe even a ute.

      • pav on 20/11/2024 - 07:20

        Maybe 5-10 years ago when Tesla were $150k+ but now you can get one a few years old for $30k -$50k they are much more mainstream I see them everywhere now.

    • McSquintus on 19/11/2024 - 11:11

      Because they are that good (jks, or am I)…

  • DoctorCalculon on 17/11/2024 - 21:11
    +3

    Poll Option > We love Tesla EVs.

  • sinizter on 17/11/2024 - 21:37
    +6

    I have one. A Model 3 Long Range.

    I have only experience one experience of someone being an arse on the road - a ute blocking both lanes of the freeway by driving in the middle and not allowing me to pass (I could have booted in past without any drama, but decided to just hang back and chill till he had enough). No verbal interchanges about it - positive or negative. No one has exposed themselves to my Tesla either.

    They are a mediocre car with a reliable battery and electric drive train.

    Their AutoPilot s****s a**. And the name is complete misnomer of what it is. It is not quiet inside it, unless you are on a PERFECT road surface - which makes it loud for a car without an engine.

    Handles decently enough for something this heavy.

    It's fast. I'll give it that one. Definitely the fastest new car I could get my hands on at that price.

    I still have it 3 years on, because of how cheap it is to run.

    It no longer goes on any runs requiring a charge during school holidays. I completely and utterly lack the patience to wait even 30 seconds for a charger to free up, should I need to recharge. I'll happily pay for petrol to avoid this. The fact that the other car is quieter inside (except when I make the engine make noise), feels better inside, drives better, and even has auto lane holding that I find superior in my preferences compared to the Tesla… all are simply genuinely appreciated bonuses.

    I sincerely doubt that my next car will be a Tesla. It may or may not be an EV.

    • noz on 17/11/2024 - 22:34
      +2

      I agree much with that you say, but what issue do you have with Autopilot (AP)? I find it to be quite good. Maybe you mean in built up areas, but wasn't designed for that. When I first got my Tesla RWD 1.5 yrs ago the AP was mainly good, but experienced a lot of phantom braking. With firmware updates over time it has become much better. Something that does really suck though is the auto wipers.
      What you said about it not being quiet inside .. true … but I drove a neighbour's Highland model 3, and it is much quieter, and the driving feel is a dream.

      • sinizter on 18/11/2024 - 17:20

        Honestly, I think it may just be how I use it.

        I only use it on freeway or freeeway-esque stretches. Lane changes during that time is a complete ballache. I find the BMW way more in keeping with how I want it to work. I don’t have to disengage it partially and then engage when I’m done like the Tesla. Simply indicate, move, and it smoothly goes back on.

        I’m not willing to drop my speeds from the max legal to avoid the lane changes, nor am I’m willing to hog the right lane. So that ends up with me not using AP much.

        Others may find it more tolerable or more usable than me and I have no beef with that.

        • noz on 18/11/2024 - 18:28

          I do know what you mean, but myself I don't mind having to double pull the stalk to re-engage AP. I have the "s3xy knob" device, and that can automatically re-engage AP in such situations, but I haven't bothered enabling this feature.
          One thing I would like is a proper cruise control option instead of TACC.

    • netjock on 18/11/2024 - 10:01

      I am just here waiting for the doubters to refute your claims like you are some kind of outcaste

    • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 11:59
      +1

      I still have it 3 years on, because of how cheap it is to run.

      So a 2021 model? Yeah those suckers had been loud as fock…. The highlander version is heaps better!

  • BobLim on 17/11/2024 - 21:39
    +6

    I like:

    • Manual transmission
    • good steering feel
    • good styling (subjectively to me)
    • real handbrake
    • standard control layout
    • not very much "technology" to "help me" with the car
    • real buttons for all useful functions
    • lots of options for servicing
    • quick refuelling
    • good driving sound

    As best as I'm aware, Tesla generally offers none of these. For a time I liked that people were buying sedans again, but now they've got the Y that's dropped off too. At least the Y isn't enormous I guess. They all look like plastic toy cars to me (see also BMW iX with its full plastic fake grille - but at least they know it'd look even worse with no grille at all)

    There are plenty of other vehicles I dislike for many of the same reasons, but Tesla seems to cover the most of them, plus their fanboys in general (and especially when claiming they;re somehow not included in the "chinese EVs" category, or implying they've got a nice BMW M3 which I generally do like for the reasons above).

    One of the key Tesla selling points seems to be straight-line acceleration, and this also annoys me. I've seen how fast people prefer to drive, and the capabilities of the vehicle itself never seems like any significant part of the problem. If it was, there wouldn't be so many slow cars with even slower drivers.

    Speed is very clearly not a priority for the average Australian midrange buyer - it's just a back-rationalisation for their Tesla purchase if it's mentioned.

    • Brick Tamland on 18/11/2024 - 12:19
      +2

      Yep agree. Everything I like about a car in general has had that feature deleted by Tesla. Tesla is the anti-me car. I want the exact opposite of a Tesla.

    • pwnd on 18/11/2024 - 17:17

      So you state you like the BMW M3 for the reasons above yet:
      It does not have a real handbrake
      It does not have real buttons for all useful functions
      It does not have lots of options for servicing

      • sinizter on 18/11/2024 - 17:22

        You can set any of the 8 “radio” buttons to do pretty much anything useful you want.

      • BobLim on 18/11/2024 - 20:34

        Pretty sure the E30, E36, E46, and E90 had all of those? The newer ones I'm sure would've lost some of the formula, but are still probably doing better than most other models.

        Do any Tesla models (any generation) meet more of those criteria than any M3? I never said the BMW was my favourite car or number one pick either…

        If it makes any difference, the newest Ferrari I think is worth having is an F430, for the same reasons (mostly the gearbox and the engine though).

        • pwnd on 19/11/2024 - 08:24

          Ok, now this is getting out of hand. At first you were comparing the Tesla to an M3, which at double the price I thought was a bit of a reach. Now we are bringing up Ferrari?

          To be honest, the M3 is a nice car, but I would never own one because I like:

          Sea faring speed of at least 50knots
          At least two cabins, a main salon and a forward stateroom.
          Multihull design for improved stability and seaworthiness

          You just can’t get those features out of a BMW M3 which is why it would never be my pick.

          • BobLim on 19/11/2024 - 09:14

            @pwnd: The "M3" reference was only because that's what some Tesla owners claim to have.

            Plenty of options below the price of a Tesla.

            Most of the vehicles in that search, i.e. an actual M3 meet my preferences while a Tesla does not. Pretty straightforward.

  • Payne on 17/11/2024 - 21:50
    +1

    I always thought people hated them because they were seen as a status symbol more than a car.

    • AustriaBargain on 17/11/2024 - 22:36

      They have been fairly expensive for what they are since they came out. I understand they are going to get cheaper though.

  • Ryanek on 17/11/2024 - 21:54
    -1

    You need an All of the Above option.

  • noz on 17/11/2024 - 22:25
    +3

    My take: I have a Tesla Model 3 "povo pack" (RWD, white). There's things I like about the car, and things I dislike. I purchased it because (1) I had had an i30 for 13 years and it was time for a new car, (2) I already had a big PV system and was wasting a lot of potential electricity - an EV was the perfect thing for me to soak up the excess energy (3) also because of FBT-exemption and subsidies bringing the effective cost down greatly (4) in Nov 2022 when I ordered it, there wasn't much choice in EVs - I found Polestar 2 to be not as good, I wanted a Kia EV6 but had a waiting time of 18+ months (and ridiculous purchase conditions). I like the car, but am not evangelical about it, and never tell people I have one, but happy to have a convo with anyone that is curious about it and asks. I don't have a personalised number plate. I don't like Elon.

  • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2024 - 23:24
    +2

    No snarky comments, I've had the Coles/woolies employees comment on the frunk when I use it, but that's about it.

    They aren't anywhere near as hated as they were 5-6 years ago but Elon Musk has gone full turd sandwich. But most CEO's are total assholes, Musk is just extremely loud about it and now is basically buying the oval office, which is fun -.-

    • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 12:02
      -3

      But most CEO's are total assholes, Musk is just extremely loud about it

      THIS…. You don't get to the top by being nice.

      With Musk, what you see is what you get. There are not two faces like the other CEOs

      • lovafo on 18/11/2024 - 16:32
        +2

        Musk is not what you see is what you get, it's the opposite.

        When he was thinking of buying Twitter, he flipped flopped about it multiple times to a point that Twitter's board almost pulled out of the deal.
        He wanted to take Tesla private in 2018 then flipped flopped again and now it's still public
        He posted criticism on Trump a few years ago and pretty much said he should disappear from politics, now Musk is licking Trump's bottom to get himself into politics (same goes the other way around, Trump belittled Musk in a tweet and now saying Musk is the best genius in America)

        Musk has 2 faces like other CEOs

        • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 17:07
          -4

          Musk is not what you see is what you get, it's the opposite.

          Do go on.

          When he was thinking of buying Twitter, he flipped flopped about it multiple times to a point that Twitter's board almost pulled out of the deal.

          Funny, you saw all this out in the public, so what do you mean what you see is not what you get?

          He posted criticism on Trump a few years ago and pretty much said he should disappear from politics, now Musk is licking Trump's bottom to get himself into politics

          That's because of Biden, its sad when Trump is the lesser of the two evils isn't it!

          Musk has 2 faces like other CEOs

          You don't know what 2 faces really means if you think the above is a example of that.

          • lovafo on 18/11/2024 - 18:17

            @JimmyF: I may not know what 2 faces really means, and you sure don't know what a real debate is if that's what you came up with, nothing you said was fact, all opinions.

            And I am not even a fan of Biden or Dems, I think they can do way better than what they dished up in terms of candidates for the most important job in the country.

            I know who you are a fan of though ;)

            • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 18:39
              +1

              @lovafo:

              and you sure don't know what a real debate is if that's what you came up with, nothing you said was fact, all opinions.

              Vs your points of claiming two faces but it was all out in the public to see! aka one face ;)

              And I am not even a fan of Biden or Dems, I think they can do way better than what they dished up in terms of candidates for the most important job in the country.

              The USA is a cesspool, with both choices being terrible choices at the end of the day. As I said, its about backing the lesser of the two evils.

              Biden spent 4 years trying to slow down Elon and his companies as the man is a union puppet, then everyone is surprised that Elon jumped sides!

              Biden lost all credibility when he got up and said GM was leading the EV change at a EV summit that they didn't invite Tesla to it.

              But yet, people are shocked why Elon backed Trump, Gee maybe if Biden didn't ignore all Tesla and SpaceX milestones over the last 4 years Elon might feel slightly different!

              I know who you are a fan of though ;)

              I can see past the MSM dribble and know that Elon is doing great work at the companies. I also know all CEOs are batsh!t crazy.

              As for Trump or Biden, they are both passed their use by dates and need to be dumped like yesterday rotten lettuce.

  • [Deactivated] on 17/11/2024 - 23:49

    Model Y is the best selling car 🚗 .. love Elon and Tesla… Elon is the most inspiring , innovative and hope for humanity

  • THICKnSLOW on 18/11/2024 - 00:59
    +3

    OP should fire back with "As much chance as you set yourself on fire filling up a gas car", seriously some people need to get educated.

    If moreTesla drivers paid more attention to driving, their surrounds and learn how to drive then maybe they will get less flack. There is a certain demographic that loves Teslas as a status symbol and drive them around like gold chariots, oblivious to other road users and potential accidents they will cause by being timid and placid on the roads. Or maybe that's the AP taking over?

  • ForkSnorter on 18/11/2024 - 07:26
    +2

    Elon? Are you referring to Trump's new bed buddy? Or the guy who spent $44 billion to buy an app, then lost most of its revenue?

    Or is this the same guy?

    • PiratePete1911 on 18/11/2024 - 16:15
      +1

      If you consider the 44 billion as money spent to promote his side in the election it doesn't look like as dumb a purchase anymore.

      The reason the share price skyrocketed after the election is because everyone believes that he will use his new status as Trumps advisor to make laws favourable to his companies.

      • ForkSnorter on 18/11/2024 - 17:03
        +1

        Yes, "cost-cutting" head of "Department of Government Efficiency" is the perfect role for someone who spent $44 billion on an app and who encourages people to put their money into imaginary currencies that he owns.

  • Joey2scoops on 18/11/2024 - 07:44
    +6

    I don't hate Tesla but I do despise Elon and will not ever knowingly put 1 cent in that richard's pocket.

    • ForkSnorter on 18/11/2024 - 08:16
      +3

      Agree. Nobody has ever dropped so far in my estimation than Elon Musk.

      Here's a short list of his hyperbole and lies: https://elonmusk.today

  • Skramit on 18/11/2024 - 07:48
    -7

    Its not just Tesla's, it's EV's in general. People who own them talk about them non stop, and how many KWH's their solar panels generated today as they flip out their phone app to show you the graph of sunlight hitting their roof so they can charge their car. Woop dee-doo nobody cares.

    • ForkSnorter on 18/11/2024 - 07:57
      +7

      Actually, most people get excited when they get any new tech item. Most of my friends will talk gushingly about their latest toy or tool.

      • Skramit on 18/11/2024 - 10:23
        -3

        Yeah but EV owners are just endlessly boring talking about charging their EVs. It never ends.

        Looks like I triggered some solar panel owners too :|

        • JimmyF on 18/11/2024 - 12:05
          +1

          You say it is boring, as it is boring to you as you're not interested.

          Its the same kind of boring I hear when you start to waffle about your new iPhone, I couldn't care less about it either.

  • FlyingMiffy on 18/11/2024 - 08:35
    +1

    I think Teslas are fine… just not the best cars at the best prices.

  • AShoeAffair on 18/11/2024 - 08:42
    +1

    Double yes to so many of the comments above, but also, it’s because they often can’t see an EV world past Tesla. Sometimes it’s like they can’t see past their own nose.
    As an EV owner who chose not to buy a Tesla (hated it on test drive, really didn’t find it nice to drive or sit in despite the price tag. Test drove several EVs before becoming an EV owner), I hate that every Tesla owner wanted to tell me to just buy one without thinking.
    “ oh you want an ev? Just buy a tesla and be done they’re the best”
    Did they even test drive anything else? No! So how would they know they have the best?
    It astounds me the number of times when talking randomly about cars and I say ‘oh I have an EV’ and they ask ‘how do you like your Tesla?’. Did I say I had a Tesla? No. They just assumed. It will (to Elon’s marketing savvy) soon be akin to the vernacular of ‘glad wrap’ when really it is cling wrap branded by Glad. Or Hoover in the UK.

  • apple2016 on 18/11/2024 - 08:45
    -1

    As much as I like Tesla it’s not a fun to drive car!

  • Brick Tamland on 18/11/2024 - 08:49
    +1

    So many reasons.
    Tesla drivers think they are better than everyone else but ironically their cars are quite dated now and ugly as sin.

    The fascination with Elon Musk and the fans are so fanatical that it’s so close to a cult it’s not funny. We are worried about you’se

    And, you Tesla guys take it soooo seriously. Lighten up.

    Also, it’s literally just a car. It does the same thing as my 2002 Corolla. It’s not the second coming of technology.

    And. Most you guys have only become car enthusiasts when you got the Tesla but pretend you know everything about cars and then rubbish other cars without knowing what you are talking about.

    Tesla fan groups are insufferable

    Oh it’s also hilarious that Tesla owners can’t comprehend people can dislike teslas but still like EVs. This poll is evidence of that too. Oh we must hate Tesla because it’s an ev.

    Tesla people think they are luxury cars. I’ve been in the back of a model Y. They ride horribly that it feels like they don’t even have suspension. My old XF falcon feels like a rolls Royce in comparison

    I could go on. I haven’t even stated on Musk.

  • surg3on on 18/11/2024 - 09:14
    +3

    No (profanity) behind the wheel speedo is the deal breaker for me.

  • rufus001 on 18/11/2024 - 09:19

    God, I love OZ Bargain! The most popular comment doesn't actually address the question but is a negative comment on its grammar.

    • ForkSnorter on 18/11/2024 - 09:22
      +1

      Early comments tend to get more upvotes (or downvotes), simply because they get read by more people.

  • MrThing on 18/11/2024 - 10:03
    +6

    I selected point one but it should be

    A: Elon the faker
    B: poor quality cars
    C: the Elon/ Tesla fanbois
    D: fixing stuff that was never broken - door handles, indicator stalks, knobs on aircon etc

    • Brick Tamland on 18/11/2024 - 10:48
      +1

      There are so many reasons why teslas are bad. But owners convince themselves they are good.

  • netjock on 18/11/2024 - 10:07
    +5

    I think it is because Tesla owners think it is one size fits all. If you don't buy a Tesla then you're a nobody.

    • They don't seem to understand concept of cash flow. It might be cheaper than a Kia Piccanto over 20 years but if you can't afford the upfront cost then all bets are off
    • The idea of "free" charging from roof top solar. It isn't free, it might be close to free when you amortise the cost over the years but it isn't free, it is a return on upfront investment
    • Performance for the price. You're only as fast as the slowest car blocking the lanes. Zipping across lanes fast and cutting in front of people may cause accidents and people to brake as result slowing everyone down
    • It is cheaper than a Camry (WA Tesla Owners Club) expecting residuals to hold up, understating the cost of tires (because you sell it at 3 years to a mug who will need new tires), no servicing costs (until something goes wrong and you realised you actually do need a service / inspection once every few years)
    • Brick Tamland on 18/11/2024 - 10:49

      I want to upvote this twice.

  • TheBilly on 18/11/2024 - 10:08
    +1

    I hate them because their styling is unnecessarily standout. I would buy a Tesla if it just looked like a normal car that you can buy from the other big manufacturers. But they try too hard to look unique. Bubble/round shape, glass roof, lack of handles, lack of dashboard among other things. Look at the Cyber truck :-/ what on earth is that, why couldn't they just do what Rivian did (a normal shaped ute).

    I like their innovation and I like the EV concept. But I don't want a car that just stands out so much. I'd happily take the EV innovation without the wild appearances.

    Almost all manufacturers EVs just look like normal cars that we are used too, why couldn't they just do the same. Be wild in your mechanical innovation but leave the appearances for when people are ready.

    • netjock on 18/11/2024 - 10:57

      styling is unnecessarily standout

      By design. To appear to those who want to stand out. But there is only so many of them.

      It is also on X why people who suggest to drive a Corolla paid off for 20 years gets people so worked up. It doesn't make you rich but it can tip you over the edge between well to do vs always just that little bit short of getting there.

    • ihfree on 18/11/2024 - 11:02
      +2

      I hate them because their styling is unnecessarily standout.

      I think this is already covered further up already. Styling is done to reduce drag and therefore be more energy efficient.

      Other EVs are built on ICE platforms which may result in more conventional styling but reduced efficiency.

  • JIMB0 on 18/11/2024 - 10:08

    ReDriven said Tesla owners groups were the worst.

  • motion2082 on 18/11/2024 - 10:12
    +4

    Where is the poll option, hate is such a strong emotion for a feeling that adds no value to your life

    • ihfree on 18/11/2024 - 10:55

      You're on the internet. Normal emotions don't exist here - only the extremes.

  • tasty-falafel on 18/11/2024 - 11:00
    +1

    Initially they were hated by right-leaning folk as they hate anything renewable, and EV's represent that. These days it's a combination of that, plus hating Elon.

    • MrThing on 18/11/2024 - 11:03
      +1

      Now Elon is far right

      That must be a total disaster for right wing folk now, must have "computer error" flashing up in their brains daily

  • TheOtherLeft on 18/11/2024 - 11:00

    If a vegan buys a tesla, what will they tell you about first?

  • Dack Smith on 18/11/2024 - 11:09
    -1

    Just another car that’s way overhyped and overpriced compared to BYD and Polestar

    • Logical on 18/11/2024 - 22:56
      +1

      please point me in the right direction with a cheaper car that can do 0 to 100km/hr in 3.8sec or less.

      • Euphemistic on 18/11/2024 - 23:06

        Why? Noone needs a car that wil do that. Uts a stupid meteic that the makers are in an arms race for bragging rights. Kinda like the biggest tow load. Pretty pointless for most.

  • Kiro on 18/11/2024 - 11:33

    everyone bangs on about how great the EV's are and how enviro friendly they are.

    these people are uneducated and dont understand the impacts these system have from their manufacture of batteries etc and towards the electrical system that will be heavily impacted on. the design of our aging network never catered for an EV overload and i can bet that there will be many brownouts during summers etc as more and more loads come on. also the fact that the government has completely killed out source of power and we will be reliant on systems that are NOT in this current state have such a high efficiency as coal or Nuclear.

    anyway.

    thats my rant, cant wait for summer.

    • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 12:18
      +5

      these people are uneducated and dont understand the impacts these system have from their manufacture of batteries etc

      Sounds like you're the uneducated one. Mining for materials and battery manufacture is no picnic, but nowhere near as bad as the oil industry. And there is plenty of data to prove that EVs are better for the environment in every aspect.

      the design of our aging network never catered for an EV overload and i can bet that there will be many brownouts during summers etc as more and more loads come on

      This is widely disproven. In 2023, the US added a million EVs to their roads and overall power usage in the nation declined.

      There will undoubtedly be some local challenges around neighborhood supply as more domestic chargers are added to homes and other facilities, but the added demand on our electrical systems will happen gradually, just as our electricity is gradually upgraded.

      There are several ways that EVs can play a part in helping to stabilize and optimize our electricity grid, and incentives are already in place to prevent spikes in demand from EV charging.

      TLDR: Your fears have some validity but are mostly unfounded.

      also the fact that the government has completely killed out source of power

      This is outright false. I bet you can't identify a single power station that the government has forced to close down.

      A few coal power stations have retired in recent years, but this has been for economic reasons - they are mostly very old, expensive to maintain and no longer profitable. In some cases, state governments that are actively paying for some power stations to remain open.

      cant wait for summer.

      Neither can I. My solar panels will pump all day long, and I will be able to run my AC all day long for $0 without touching the grid.

      The last time we had brownouts was when one of the local coal power stations had a massive outage, and that was over 3 years ago.

      • Kiro on 18/11/2024 - 12:41
        +1

        we dont live in America, in my neck of Sydney we have already seen brown outs and the data is showing that there are no new dwellings or large number of units being built that are impacting BUT the load demand from houses has increased dramatically, i do exercise and walk around the neighborhood and have noticed a large amount of leads thrown over the front yard to charge vehicles.

        im not a fan at all to the government backing away from a proven, practical and reliable source of power generation until another can take its place that is affordable, reliable.

        good for you and your solar panels, enjoy it. do you know the carbon footprint to make solar panels? batteries to store your generated power?
        remember, there are massively wide range of solar and batteries, and life spans of these product arent that long at all….. ive seen locally dwellings ripping old (maybe 5 - 7 year old) panels out batteries included due to failure or efficiency falling to low to sustain owners demands. this was evident back when the government was giving the funding for solar and the feed in tariff was almost 30c/kwh.
        customers that went to lead acid batteries have an approx 5 year life span, post 5 years efficiency drops like a rock….

        i can keep on going on, the idea and execution is ok but the tech isnt their to substantiate solar or batteries being the bees knees or dropping already proven plant.

        • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 15:12
          +3

          in my neck of Sydney we have already seen brown outs and the data is showing that there are no new dwellings or large number of units being built that are impacting BUT the load demand from houses has increased dramatically

          I can't find any records of significant brownouts in Sydney in the recent past.

          And you just assume that this is due to EVs because there can be no other cause? Not any number of other reasons, like the increased popularity of electric cooking appliances to replace gas ones, or large air conditioners, or any number of other things?

          i do exercise and walk around the neighborhood and have noticed a large amount of leads thrown over the front yard to charge vehicles

          If an EV is charging via an extension lead, they're charging at 15A max, drawing less power than a kettle and toaster being used simultaneously.

          im not a fan at all to the government backing away from a proven, practical and reliable source of power generation until another can take its place that is affordable, reliable.

          I'm not a fan of false information.

          The government is not "backing away" from coal, it's being phased out as it retires.

          Private companies are free to start building new coal power stations whenever they like, but nobody is even contemplating it because they're not cost competitive, and it would be a terrible investment which would lose money.

          Private companies are investing their own money into building solar, wind and battery storage. Why? Because it makes money - it's a profitable investment.

          do you know the carbon footprint to make solar panels?

          Solar panels negate their own carbon footprint and are carbon neutral in less than 2 years of operation. After which they are a net positive for the remainder of their operational life, which is typically 25-30 years.

          For modern lithium-based home batteries, the carbon footprint is offset after about 4 years of use, if it's used to store energy from solar panels.

          Also, the irony of you preaching about the carbon footprint of solar panels and batteries is not lost on me. Please don't pretend to care about carbon footprints while advocating for the extension of coal power, whose carbon footprints are absolutely massive and cannot ever be offset by anything.

          life spans of these product arent that long at all

          False. All solar panels come with an output guarantee covering them for 20-30 years depending on brand/quality.

          If they're being removed from a roof, they were almost certainly either faulty or damaged, and were probably replaced under warranty.

          customers that went to lead acid batteries have an approx 5 year life span

          Yes, lead acid batteries are not well suited to domestic storage and have a short lifespan at the best of times. This has been true for decades, and people only bought them because they were cheap.

          Lithium and sodium based batteries are far better for this application, but these have only recently become more affordable.

          the tech isnt their to substantiate solar or batteries

          Proven false by all the micro-grids operating in Australia already. Although a combination of wind and solar as generation is much better than solar alone.

          dropping already proven plant.

          Again, this is not happening. It just isn't.

          The narrative that coal power stations are being switched off because "the government" is forcing them to close for ideological is absolutely false.

          Australia's coal power stations are gradually being switched off one by one because they are very old - they typically have a design life of around 50 years and are old, worn out and becoming unreliable, and are generally not profitable anymore. Their owners want to shut them down before long because they're too expensive to maintain and they're losing money. However, they are required by regulation to give 3 years notice before they close, so they all have to run out the clock and keep them going.

          The NSW government is actually paying Origin to keep Eraring power station running for 2 more years beyond their proposed August 2025 closing date, while additional generation is getting built to replace it.

          I note that this thread is heading off on a tangent that's not well related to the topic at hand

    • noz on 18/11/2024 - 18:46
      +1

      I can't speak for other states, but here in SA total electricity consumption starting 2010 onwards each year has pretty much not changed, despite the onset of EVs.

  • mountaineer on 18/11/2024 - 11:37
    +3

    for those who hated Elon Musk, I am curious to know who are the billionaires and celebrities they love? Or they just hate them all lol?

    • Gervais fanboy on 18/11/2024 - 11:42
      -4

      The Democrat party paid celebrities millions to come pretend and read their lines of a teleprompter, endorsing the Democrats but you wouldn’t see the media or just the public in general ‘hating’ them.
      Elon will get the hate he gets mostly coz he supported the bad orange man and he wouldn’t censor people on Twitter.

      • klaw81 on 18/11/2024 - 12:07
        +2

        Elon will get the hate he gets mostly coz he supported the bad orange man and he wouldn’t censor people on Twitter.

        You must have a very short memory.

        The Elon hate started long before the orange gibbon started ramping up his election campaign. It was even before he started his bid to buy Twitter.

        • Gervais fanboy on 18/11/2024 - 12:10
          -3

          You must have a very selective interpretation of things

          Elon will get the hate he gets mostly

  • trapper on 18/11/2024 - 12:12
    -4

    Leftist's are farking crazy.

    They will hate you for owning a car made by a company that is run by a man who supports their political enemy in another country!

    • Gervais fanboy on 18/11/2024 - 13:31
      -5

      All that whilst thanking actual irl murderers like the Cheneys for endorsing the DEI hire.

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