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Did I say that all of the "savings" are fraud?
It seems to me like they are just cutting stuff and saying they are discovering fraud to trick the not so smart people.
@askbargain: No I am saying that they are cutting stuff (the purpose of DOGE) but they are also claiming they are discovering fraud to trick idiots. If they are discovering enormous fraud as claimed, there should be criminal charges.
I am replying to alx88 where they said:
Not sure if he is right about enormous frauds happening in government.
@Aureus: DOGE is uncovering inefficiency in government spending. Whether that is accidental oversight or fraud is up for debate.
@askbargain: Inefficient spending isn't fraud. If they discover kickbacks etc related to the inefficient spending then they can claim they are discovering fraud. No doubt they will eventually stumble over some fraud considering the size of the US government.
If they want to claim fraud then the onus of proof is on them
If they want to claim fraud then the onus of proof is on them
Excellent! Someone gets it.
Since you clearly understand burden of proof, you have made a bunch of claims in this thread, the onus of proof is now on you to support those claims.
DOGE is uncovering inefficiency in government spending
Typical trump trope.
WTF is inefficiency? How about hundreds of people in a room listening to an old guy repeat over and over again how great things will be like he forgot he just said it 5 seconds ago. That was Trump himself in Congress. So inefficient.
I actually brush my teeth whilst doing leg stretches whilst also listening to my morning news all at the same time. Is that efficiency? Is that the definition DOGE holds the government to?
Doge is just a name for Musk to do whatever he wants in government.
How about hundreds of people in a room listening to an old guy repeat over and over again how great things will be like he forgot he just said it 5 seconds ago. That was Trump himself in Congress. So inefficient.
That was clearly EFFECTIVE and EFFICIENT since you and everyone else are talking about it right now FOR FREE.
This is the stupidity of the left when they go on and on and on and on and on about Trump thinking they're showing him, when they're just playing into his hands. His #1 gimmick is to get people to talk about him for free, and the left fell into that trap 8 years ago and still haven't figured out that they're being played. The lack of self awareness here is off the charts….If you want to understand more about his tricks, I recommend Scott Adams (the Dilbert guy) book. Adams is a trained hypnotist and shows how Trump uses those same techniques to get people to pay attention to him. Because good or bad doesn't matter, every marketing pro knows that all publicity is good publicity. He's a master at it which is why I guarantee we'll all be talking about him for free, for the next 4 years at least.
@1st-Amendment: Are you on drugs? The hundreds of people are in congress have sit there coz it’s their jobs as congressmen and women to attend.
Unless you quoted me to then talk about something else you’re clearly high.
Unless you quoted me to then talk about something else
You claimed he was inefficient, so I just showed you how he got YOU talking about him for free which is a great example of efficiency.
you’re clearly high.
Either that or you can't read…
but they are also claiming they are discovering fraud to trick idiots.
Quote?
If they are discovering enormous fraud as claimed, there should be criminal charges.
There might be, how do you know there aren't? I saw something yesterday where referrals are being made to the attorney general (I didn't catch the detail). The legal process is not instant.
Not true. Watch the interview. He gives an example. Imagine you forget to cancel your membership and the gym keeps charging you for ever and you gyk membership is in billions. Is that fraud? Yes and no.
Your example is not fraud at all. Words have meaning.
It seems to me…
So maybe it's you?
and saying
Give us a quote so we can check it out.
to trick the not so smart people
Not so smart people are easy to trick. Let's see your evidence and see who that is.
it's all going to NDIS
Thanks but not thanks, I'll pass.
Australians we need to stand up to bullies, right wing fascists, liars, Swasticars.I'll be happy for Tesla to just leave Australia completely.
Sounds like you are bullying them to leave.
Sounds like you are bullying them to leave.
It's comedy isn't it. We'll stand up to perceived bullies by being actual bullies!
The clown show rolls on…I assume Mr "1st-Amendment" is all for supporting free expression and free choice, like for example choosing to voice criticism of a brand and making a choice to boycott it?
like for example choosing to voice criticism
No-one said you couldn't do it.
You are free to criticise, and I can do it too. See how easy that is? This is the beauty of free speech, we all get to voice our opinions on things.
You are free to criticise, and I can do it too.
Not in our country you don't. you should move to the USA even then there is a special group of people that will cancel you if criticise that group.
@1st-Amendment: So then its not bullying if its free speech then according to you. So why call it bullying…
So then its not bullying if its free speech then according to you
Where did I say that?
Reading comprehension failure…
Says the paid CCP bot who has an obsession with Chinese websites and products. Funny how you don't have an issue with your own dictatorship government who commit widespread human rights abuse. Good little bot, President Xi will be so proud of you.
God you all so easily gulp up every media narrative. So many others did the same salute even that night but you all swallow it up. Sheep absolute sheep
So many others did the same salute even that night
For such a widely streamed event im sure you could easily provide a link or two to any number of these 'so many others' doing the same """"""salute""""" right?
quick, now show a clip with Taylor Swift doing it
pat on the head"critical thinkers" seem to only be doing half of their title these days.
you also couldnt find the numerous other people at the same event doing the same as Elon?
There's 5 hours of it from the Capital One arena stream portion of the day. No idea why it would be so hard to find all these examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Fur9RBnPI
(if you just want the highlights, or need a reference to find all these other 'examples' that went unjudged, its 1min into the elon highlight real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddzlVzc_ypE )
Glad we are not discussing how Australian gas is being sold for half the price of what we pay across the globe and are focussing over Nazi salutes
Feel free to post a deal related to that issue and we'll happily discuss it on ozb
Yeah, nah.
I’d be embarrassed to be seen driving around in a Tesla these days. Resale values are tanking and new sales are being cancelled left, right and centre. The extra billions that Felon and his cronies are rolling around in each night has come at the cost of all of humanity.
Even the media is full right now of news of Tesla owners who are actively trying to disguise their car’s pedigree
This timeline. I weep.
Even the media is
You believe the media. That explains everything.
And you…teleport yourself to every part of the world, ever, to see and observe your news first hand?
I get my news from a variety of sources- press footage and interviews, first hand accounts, my own observations, footage captured live etc. I don’t wait for it to be analysed by parties such as FOX and spat out for dissection by the lowest common denominator, trying to push an agenda.
Here’s a fact. As per my post and many others that you can find online if you have a shred of media literacy, owners ARE actively covering up Tesla logos right now, which has been documented numerous times, by multiple sources.
So take your ‘fake news’ and away you go.
teleport yourself to every part of the world, ever, to see and observe your news first hand?
Nah, I just don't worry about stories that 99.9% of the time don't concern me. I go outside and the sun is shining and people are generally happy.
Here's a test you can do at home. Switch off the media for a month, then come back and tell me how much difference not knowing about Elon Musk made to your life? How about the Israel/Gaza conflict or Ukraine/Russia? If you had never heard a single story about any of it, how much different would your life be? You'd be happier I guarantee it.
See it's a giant scam. We live in an attention economy and media are taking advantage of you and you think you are winning when you are losing
owners ARE actively covering up Tesla logos right now
And how did that affect your day? Winning or losing?
Nah, I just don't worry about stories that 99.9% of the time don't concern me. I go outside and the sun is shining and people are generally happy.
That's a plain lie. We all know you spend your days pushing far-right propaganda on Ozbargain 😂.
We all know you spend your days pushing far-right propaganda
Where 'far-right propaganda' simply means 'has a different opinion to me'.
Watch out for the bogey man!
It facts its the reverse, people love their Tesla.
Should I get the BYD Dolphin or wait for the Tesla Adolfin?
💯 🤣 please have an upvote.
Sounds like you prefer ccp cold slave labour
As far as I am aware Tesla models sold in Australia are made in china just like the Chinese brands, yet cost significantly more
They actually don't cost significantly more.. you can't compare a 3 or y to the sh1tboxes from mg … they cost a few thousand more than byd and xpeng equivalents. They are still much better cars than the Chinese competition. You'd be an idiot for prefering the Chinese over the tesla.
For every moron here who thinks it's ok to make Nazi jokes for a laugh, you really need to think deeply about that and look in the mirror.
Making Nazi jokes can be deeply offensive to Jewish people and others affected by those events.
Making Nazi jokes can be deeply offensive to…
You. And guess what your opinion counts for in the grand scheme of things?
Jewish people and others affected by those events.
When did they elect you their spokesperson?
https://www.cracked.com/article_35946_even-after-all-these-y…
No body needs to elect me. Do you really know what the First Amendment is?
Do you really know what the First Amendment is?
Yeah, do you?
I'm negging as I think there will be even further price cuts due to demand falling off a cliff. I'm not even touching the politics.
Even Apple sheep’s are more original
Does everyone who calls Elon a Nazi actually think he believes in Nazi ideology? Was there any actual discourse around this, or did everyone just see the hand gesture and jump on the bandwagon of bad puns?
Or is it a bit more nuanced than that and perhaps has something more to do with his recent affiliation with Trump, and the hand gesture is just a convenient way of tearing him down?
For the record, I also quite dislike Elon, but primarily because he's an egomaniac with a messiah complex - something I feel applies to most of these tech billionaire "humanoids" - not because I think he's a Nazi.
or did everyone just see the hand gesture and jump on the bandwagon
Not 'everyone'. It's just a minority of emotionally fragile lefties who like to be offended about everything.
I wish more people took Ketamine, toughen up and move to the right like Hulk Hogan and Andrew Tate, those bunch of green DEI woke swiftards hey.
Does everyone who calls Elon a Nazi actually think he believes in Nazi ideology? Was there any actual discourse around this, or did everyone just see the hand gesture and jump on the bandwagon of bad puns?
He would had got away with the hand gesture, if he didn't address a far-right German party right after the hand gesture. Musk was actively campaigning for AfD in German elections.
Elon's got lots of very racist rants on Twitter about the superiority of the white race, how other races are are inferior, how white's are getting "genocided", etc… etc…
Don't want to go into too much detail, its disgusting / disturbing to read. The kind of content that he re-tweets is even more shocking (It's Nazi content)
He has all the Nazi talking points and is a huge racist.
Swasticar….? No, thank you.
Tesla was touted as something going to save the environment. And look now, he is great supporter and right hand of Mr.Dump who says there is nothing like Climate change and drill baby drill. Such a d***khead and opportunistic person.
Waiting for the Model X but feels like could be a long wait. Some of the new Chinese EVs look great.
I'm negging as I think there will be even further price cuts due to demand falling off a cliff. Xpeng and other cars launching soon too.
Source?
Trust
Oh yeah, of course, the old "trust me bro".
He said he thinks, you need a source for his thoughts?
(profanity) tesla
Don't like someone checking everyones's pay check and himself keep say Zero salary, but use expensive Air Force one to transport his own family members which involves 6 figures per hour cost of tax payer money, on the same time Ukrainian houses been destroyed everyday and citizen been killed everyday and their group cut off assistant one by one. Hardly put down hard earn money to support such mad cow ways.
Where was your indignation when the other team was wasting billions allowing illegals to enter, rape and kill the US citizens?
Why are you against a cease fire? I’m sure most Ukrainian civilians would prefer to be called a part of Russia rather than be dead.
Came here for the comments, boy was it worth it
No thanks! Nearly gave my money to Elon. But nah!
FreePalestine #DownWithNazis #DownWithZionism #FreeTheWorld
Are you pro or anti Jew?
DownWithNazis DownWithZionism
Pick a lane
i'm confused, what's worse, so-called modern era Nazis or the Israelis/Jews for their treatment of the Palestinians? Because Elon is apparently a supporter of both…
Elon should not be supporting full stop!
Huh why not if you can support the "one true narrative"
Swasticar. No deal.
I own a 24’ Tesla Model 3 Long Range. I wanted a sedan, I drove the BYD seal, it handles like a tank. The Hyundai Ionics and KIA simply weren’t as nice to drive and the software was clunky , MG was not even close. There was not alot of options to choose from in the price bracket and Tesla was the pick.
The iPhone analogy works well, it all just works and the user experience and drive is ahead of the competition. They are not worth the prices they used to be sold for but they represent good value for what you get now.
For me the Tesla was simply the better vehicle for the sticker price.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think Elon is an absolute fu**wit and a deplorable human being. I didn’t like him before I bought the car, he had sweet FA to do with product development or the end product. Just likes to talk a lot of shit and try to take credit for the hard work of others. I like him even less now with all his latest crap.
However I wasn’t shopping for a political ideology, i wasn’t doing it for the environment.
I was shopping for a car that I would enjoy driving on a daily basis.
Downvoted for being logical.
Lots of logical downvotes here, from all sides.
It's what you get with a Tesla, and its lucky its online as all you get is a -. In real life its worse.
Same goes for Chinese cars. They are now being targeted because of the warship situation. If you drive a Tesla or a Chinese car you better hope you don’t get downvoted in real life.
I'm also quite logical with my purchases and agree that buying the best product for the price is the best course of action. Unfortunately a certain person decided to loose his bloody mind and go all Dr Evil on the world. Would not surprise me if sharks with lasers come next.
I have wanted to buy a Tesla for a long time but now I have to worry about the car getting vandalised, getting flipped off while driving, and the eventual resale value of the vehicle plummeting to a ridiculous low all because someone has world domination issues.
I and I'm sure many others did not want to make vehicle ownership a political issue. I too just want to own and drive a nice car. I don't want to know what the CEO of Mazda or Toyota tweet everyday. It's one person who decided to make it all about himself.
Im in the same boat, have an aging 2012 craptiva that I want to get rid of in six months time, but Teslas image is in the gutter and im worried about it being damaged and hurled abuse on the roads..
Worried about purple haired bowl cut Leftist clowns being offended by your choice in automobile? Please. Road rage is almost part of the culture here now. Ignore or salute them back. Most people here couldn't care less what SpaceMan says or does, let alone risk getting their head punched in because they want to be rude with no reason.
Same. Generally speaking I don't dabble much in politics and such. But having to worry about damages to my car and potential depreciation is a bit much. For this reason I have cancelled my Juniper Model Y preorder… may look into offerings from Korean brands later this year.
Stop watching US Tiktok, as above, most people couldn't care less what car you drive.
Let's disagree to agree ;) Multinational Swiss UBS engineers: BYD Seal has top engineering & 15% better value than Tesla, 30% better than the EU brands. Their BYD Seagull cost au$13-21k incl. sodium batt for top model (Lenght of Yaris & inside of Corolla)
IPhone is best in iMarketing. Xiaomi (even their top EV that the Ford CEO enjoys), Huawei, Samsung have much better products/value. I use smartphones since 2001.
Not sure anyone has better phone products than apple when you consider the reliability, longevity and attention to detail. Some are close but no one is at the same level. Now whether that is worth the premium price determines the value proposition. For me the price/quality ratio is better for Samsung flagship phones as they can be bought substantially cheaper than the iPhone equivalent. My last 3 flagship phones were basically half the price of the equivalent iPhone even at launch due to promotions
I still love my Tesla and I think it's a bloody brilliant car.
But I will also never buy another Tesla again as long as any business is in any way benefiting Elon Musk's wealth and power.
It is not a reaction but a forward-looking decision: This guy right here is actively engaging in steering the world into the next chapter of hate-ideology. When / if the world turns into a fascist world in twenty years time, I do NOT want to live knowing that I have helped financed it.
Many people talk about the shame or repulsion; however for me it's more about "I don't want to contribute to this man's future power".
It is a shame. The car is still amazing. The car, the charging network, and surely all the engineers and designers who are behind the great product. My intention to rebuke Elon Musk is however stronger than my empathy for these innocent collateral damage.
Tesla = Nazi is the association people have at this point
It’s like driving a Volkswagen during ww2
Not buying the CCP mobiles either
He really is slowly eroding his brand and his wealth at the same time. In 4 years time when the political landscape changes again over there i wonder what will happen.
Chinese EVs are great, they have improved massively over the past few years.
But the best selling EV in China is still Tesla Model Y.EVs are great, but Tesla is in a different level.
Agree I own a Chinese EV (MG4) and absolutely love it, but I have also driven a Tesla and many other makes\models of EVs.
And absolutely no-one (especially the Chinese) can do software the way Tesla does. European software is slow, lacks features. Chinese is full of features, but buggy as hell. BYD has come a long way, but you still need to deal with the software bugs.
I bet most people in here never even sat in one, this is a really nice car both Model Y and Model 3
No point buying an expensive car when most people will think worse of you for doing so.
Would rather buy a Polestar if I had to go EV.Polestar is 2 is nice to drive, but Polestar 4 is actually an even better experience to drive.
Except on the Polestar 4, they removed the rear-window and blocked it with a cover.
Then, they replaced the rear-view mirror with an OLED (?) screen displaying a live camera's projection of the rear, and this really is not pleasant on the eyes.I have yet to try it myself, would love to test drive a Polestar 4.
In my current car that is a 6 year old Kia, I have never turned around to look out the back window. So if the OLED mirror works, i am happy with that.
When I turn my head, to check my blind spot, I catch a glimpse of the car in the back window too, and on the Polestar 4, you cannot see through the back window at all because it's 'sealed'.
@whyisave: Interesting! I don't love the no-back window "feature" but i think the Polestar 4 is one of the best EVs on the market at the moment. I usually don't turn my head that far when doing blind spot checks. I'll want to test a Polestar 4 regardless.
I don't want a car that rides super high like most other SUV EVs. So the polestar 4 seems good as long as i can resell it for decent value in 2-3 years.
Currently also considering buying an 3-4 year BMW 3 series while EV prices are still going up and down.
"Combination of asset sales, contract/lease cancellations and renegotiations, fraud and improper payment deletion, grant cancellations, interest savings, programmatic changes, regulatory savings, and workforce reductions."
Not all "savings" are fraud.