Melbourne: Car Theft Capital of Australia

mboy on 04/09/2025 - 22:10
Last edited 04/09/2025 - 22:17

The Insurance Council of Australia is the main industry body representing Australia’s general insurers, and an source for industry data and insights.

They issued a news release today about motor theft claims statistics, broken down by state & region for the first 6 months of 2025, compared to the first 6 months of 2024. Source.

Across both Metro & Country combined, every state recorded a modest decrease, except for Victoria which recorded an increase of 59%. The news release says Victoria "saw the largest annual increase on record", but they don't mention how far back that goes.

Melbourne alone, which was already the worst city for this statistic in the first half of 2024, has recorded an increase of 70% in the first half 2025.

State Region 2024 2025 Variance %
NSW Country 3,500 3,200 -9%
NSW Metro 2,500 2,600 4%
QLD Country 4,100 3,600 -12%
QLD Metro 3,000 2,700 -10%
SA Country 300 200 -33%
SA Metro 1,200 1,100 -8%
VIC Country 1,800 2,200 22%
VIC Metro 5,900 10,100 70%
WA Country 1,100 1,000 -9%
WA Metro 3,500 3,100 -11%

My motivation for this post is twofold:

Firstly, just to let fellow Melbournians know to be a bit more cautious since this is obviously a problem that is getting worse.

Secondly, to discuss why this is happening. It seems very odd to me that this is exclusively getting worse in Victoria, and especially Melbourne. What's the cause, and what needs to change?

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Comments

              • [Deactivated] on 05/09/2025 - 21:20

                @tenpercent: How many female circumcisions does it take before it is classified as a problem…?
                (I’d genuinely like to know… I don’t know numbers)

            • bargaino on 05/09/2025 - 12:36
              +3

              @freefall101:

              but they're a tiny part of the population. So they can't cause any kind of increase in crime like OP suggests.

              You'd be surprised. Here in WA we have one demographic only 2% of the population, but over 50% of some crimes including home burglaries.

              So why are men such crime ridden

              Males have greater variance in almost everything. So at the extremes, males dominate. That does not imply a big difference in rule following or aggression between the average man and average woman. The people who most strictly follow rules are likely also mostly men, but you don't notice them.

              Same with IQ - the smartest and dumbest people are mostly male. Race differences do not follow the same patterns as sex differences. But good on you for asking the question. Most people prefer to stick with their predetermined beliefs.

              • [Deactivated] on 05/09/2025 - 21:23

                @bargaino: I don’t know… I’ve met some pretty dumb people in WA (the majority).

                I don’t know if digging a hole in the ground is a predetermined belief but give them a shovel and a flight to the Pilbara to dig something out of the ground for someone else to profit off and you tell me that constitutes intelligence.

              • tenpercent on 06/09/2025 - 10:42
                +1

                @bargaino:

                Here in WA we have one demographic only 2% of the population

                You clearly know which demographic it is but you are reluctant to identify it.

                Everyone reading this knows which demographic it is too.

                Now (everyone) think about why he is reluctant to do so.

                Next imagine you're a cop or a magistrate and you have big career plans that could be destroyed if you offend some woke luvvos. Now ask: Can justice prevail in a culture like that?

            • JimmyF on 07/09/2025 - 18:39

              @freefall101:

              How about you supply us with those numbers then?

              Do the 50% of people in custody, make up 50% of the population? No they don't.

              https://theconversation.com/beyond-raising-the-age-of-crimin…

            • Muppet Detector on 09/09/2025 - 18:46

              @freefall101:

              Males commit far more crimes than females, regardless of race.

              Have you ever thought about why this may be true?

              If you really want to go into the numbers, it's not race that matters,

              Hmmm, whilst a lot of this is probably attributed to socioeconomic, culture and biopsychosocial factors, I do think it is safe to say that some types of crimes are more prevalent in or rather specific to certain races.

              Not necessarily because of their race but because of the cultural norms and intrapersonal variables most likely found within those racial profiles.

              and it's almost always men doing it.

              Mmmm, almost always? Sure, men are typically responsible for more spontaneous violence than women, but "almost always", may be exaggerating things.

              Plenty of female criminals, they just tend to commit more covert and less violent types of crimes and because females are generally considered less dangerous to others, their treatment in the criminal justice system is usually more lenient than their male counterparts.

              So why are men such crime ridden (profanity)?

              Evolution is the short answer.

              Changes in social expectations and historical roles outpacing biological behavioural responses are foundations for exploring longer answers.

              If you want to decrease crime and you want to talk about the numbers, you target men,

              Whilst you're entitled to your opinions, don't get your opinions and facts confused, eh?

        • Sinnerator on 05/09/2025 - 07:36
          +7

          how can you solve problems if are not allowed to fully discuss them?

          • modiika on 05/09/2025 - 09:56
            +13

            @Sinnerator: Because people dont discuss it in good faith. Where is the evidence that this is driven by Sudanese migrants?

            The way people here are talking about the Sudanese, its as if its an inherent problem with the Sudanese as opposed to the age old issue of it being largely the lower socioeconomic groups of every race.

            It's not rocket science to see that you are not speaking 'truth' or trying to fully discuss them if you just jump straight to its the Sudanese simply based on what, feeling like you see them in news reports all the time?

            • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 10:30

              @modiika:

              The way people here are talking about the Sudanese, its as if its an inherent problem with the Sudanese as opposed to the age old issue of it being largely the lower socioeconomic groups of every race.

              You do realize that the OP of this sub thread said nothing about Sudanese people, and it was another poster who got a huffy and make the thread to be about Sudanese people when it wasn't.

              So maybe reflect on why freefall101 keeps making this about Sudanese people when no one else in the thread was/is?

            • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 10:36
              +1

              @modiika:

              Because people dont discuss it in good faith. Where is the evidence that this is driven by Sudanese migrants?

              The problem is as soon as you raise a non white person causing an issue, people scream racism. So it is impossible to have a discussion in good faith if you're not allowed to say anything about peoples bad behaviour.

              In my entire life I've never heard of a machete attack in Victoria. But yet today, we have machete bins because machete attacks have become an issue.

              So what caused this issue do you think?

              • modiika on 05/09/2025 - 11:16
                +7

                @JimmyF:

                The problem is as soon as you raise a non white person causing an issue, people scream racism.

                The reason people scream racism, or more likely quietly think its racist, is because often there is no relevance to the fact the offender was not white, just we dont go out of our way to identify when the attacker is white.

                It is appropriate to be cautious about blaming an entire race, particularly when there are more credible explanations to hand.

                In my entire life I've never heard of a machete attack in Victoria. But yet today, we have machete bins because machete attacks have become an issue.

                So what caused this issue do you think?

                Just because you havent heard about it doesnt mean it hasnt happend. About two decades a go a kid was severing limbs in street fights with a Samuari sword in Melbourne.

                People have been using knivies to commit crimes in Melbourne forever, i dont think its particularly surprising that at some point people were like lets get bigger knives and they end up with machetes.

                Here's some Machette attacks from over 10 years ago in Melbourne:

                https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-11-23/nightclub-machete-att…

                https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/machete-used-in-…

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDKXT_ouLDo

                https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/men-jailed-for-k…

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMZjozZzEE

                https://www.theage.com.au/national/two-jailed-over-gang-gay-…

                https://www.smh.com.au/national/teen-sentenced-for-role-in-t…

                I note that two of them happened at the Bubble nightclub. Maybe nightclubs are to blame, why cant we have an honest conversation about that!

                And some sword ones for good measure

                https://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-06-17/three-acquitted-in-sa…

                https://www.smh.com.au/national/private-school-eight-admit-s…
                (oh look some eastern private school boys got rowdy and cut a rivals arm off (well except for one tendon apparently). No no but its a Sudanese problem.)

                Why Machete Ban Now

                Mostly because they were being used in day time in public places like malls. But also because the media whipped up a frenzy about the violence. But make no mistake machete attacks are not new, but they are eye catch and useful for the media who wants to push a narrative, get clicks, or both.

              • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 12:31

                @JimmyF:

                But yet today, we have machete bins because machete attacks have become an issue.

                Have they actually become an issue though?
                Is there a statistically significant increase in machete related crime?
                Or is it just the dinosaur media and polticians putting focus on it to make it an issue so they can push for more police state powers?

                • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 15:44

                  @tenpercent:

                  Have they actually become an issue though?
                  Is there a statistically significant increase in machete related crime?

                  Well its gone from 0 attacks over the last decade to double digit attack this year. statistically speaking, that is a significant increase.

                  Or is it just the dinosaur media and polticians putting focus on it to make it an issue so they can push for more police state powers?

                  When we have multiple attacks this year in shopping centers, then yes, it is a problem.

                  What powers have they gotten? Seems like weak response to me, put a few bins out and say problem solved. Hardly a power grab like you think it is.

                  • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 20:30

                    @JimmyF: Thank you. I was just wanting to confirm (or not) the inherrent presumptions in this conversation.

            • bargaino on 05/09/2025 - 12:39
              +1

              @modiika:

              an inherent problem with the Sudanese as opposed to the age old issue of

              Ah! The old nature vs nurture question. Culture or genetics? Ah you really interested in knowing the evidence relevant to this difficult question? Correlation is not cause. There is no easy simple answer, but as usual some evidence for both.

              • modiika on 05/09/2025 - 15:56
                +1

                @bargaino: I'm familiar with some scientific literature on the topic, it certainly is interesting far beyond just aspects of crime, but not something i generally keep up on. All the social science stuff is fraught with issues, its a very difficult field.

                I dont think there is convincing evidence that ties violent crime specifically to race. It's a bit of a catch 22, because simply because more sudanese as a % of their population are arrested than say whites, even when you account for socioeconomic status (which few bother to do) doesnt rule out that they are just targeted by law enforcement more. That is to say you cant just rely on number of arrests and convictions. Certainly the strongest factor is gender, and after that socioeconomic status.

                These issues with youth crime are not new and happen in waves around the world from time to time. There is certainly a lot of angry young men out there who could be described as hopeless or lost. Breading grounds for gangs and violent crimes, regardless of the laws.

                I do note that some countries have had great success in focusing on rehabilitation of youth offenders rather than punishment. Though of course such an approach is not de jour in Australia and is seen as weak on crime. I think that's partly how you end up with Victoria having fairly light punishment and bail conditions but then also didnt seem like they were actively investing in rehabilitation. Kind of the worst of both worlds. But ultimately, there's only so much a government can do, short of very drastic measures few are likely to support, and its usually a matter of incremental changes and on going effort to change these things.

                • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 20:32

                  @modiika:

                  There is certainly a lot of angry young men out there who could be described as hopeless or lost.

                  Is there actually? Or is that just how post-feminist dinosaur media likes to opine?
                  IF there is, why is there?

            • [Deactivated] on 05/09/2025 - 21:26

              @modiika: Come on, it’s irrelevant. If you’re from Victoria or live there, regardless of your race, the rest of the country knows you’re trash.

              https://youtu.be/YP3W-E0OamU

      • coffeeinmyveins on 05/09/2025 - 07:43
        -3

        What's the shoe?

        Go on. Show us the data to back up your racist claims.

        I'll wait

        • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 07:50
          +3

          Go on. Show us the data to back up your racist claims.

          Sure… Show me the racist claim I made towards a group and I'll provide that data for you.

          • ThithLord on 05/09/2025 - 08:22
            +2

            @JimmyF: Man, you really thought that was a witty retort. But the proof is right here, using contextual clues:

            The racist comments are just sad. Always easy to blame a group you don't like.

            You replied:

            If the shoe fits…..

            Elaborate what you meant by this, if we are reading the obvious context incorrect?

            • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 08:34
              +5

              @ThithLord:

              Elaborate what you meant by this, if we are reading the obvious context incorrect?

              That's not racist. Its a simple statement about looking at the data, nothing more, nothing less.

              Yes, certain groups do stand out to be casuing more crime than others. So while they say "Always easy to blame a group you don't like"

              It is nothing about blaming a group they don't like, its about calling out bad social behavior based on the data. Nothing to do with 'race' like you think, but more to do with the fact that certain groups are causing issues in our homogeneous society.

              So in your views if I call out a old white guy on the train for having his feet on the seats, no one would think that's racist, but if I call out a non white person for doing it, I'm being racist? LOL yeah no I'm not. I'm calling our BS behavior that isn't acceptable.

              • ThithLord on 05/09/2025 - 08:45

                @JimmyF: What point am I meant to take from your mindless dribble?

                a old white guy on the train for having his feet on the seats

                If someone comments "always the YT's", you'd have no issue with that, would ya?

                Even in your made up scenarios you can't make a salient point.

                • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 09:14
                  +3

                  @ThithLord:

                  What point am I meant to take from your mindless dribble?

                  Calling out bad behaviour isn't racist like you think it is. Ever notice how only white people are seen as racist? When non white people don't tolerate things, oddly that isn't racist.

                  Even in your made up scenarios you can't make a salient point.

                  I know reading is hard at times, but the seat scenario was based on a post here, posters called the person racist for telling a non white Australian off for having their feet on the seat. But we all know if it was a white person being told off, no issues.

                  Now that is racist! You are treating one race differently to another.

                  I've got no issues with the race or skin colour, I do have an issue with behaviour. Soif you do sh!t things, then yes you should be told off and pull your head in regardless of where you come from.

                  Is that racist? No.

          • freeb1e4me on 05/09/2025 - 08:31
            +2

            @JimmyF: Here is your racist comment

            If the shoe fits, it fits

            Yeah, but just because it fits you doesn’t mean everyone else wants to wear it - just stop stereotyping

            Now show us your data that you don’t have.

            • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 08:35
              +1

              @freeb1e4me:

              Here is your racist comment

              See comments above

              Yeah, but just because it fits you doesn’t mean everyone else wants to wear it - just stop stereotyping

              Agreed, but I never made it about a race, you did.

              Now show us your data that you don’t have.

              Show me the racist comment I made towards a race and I'll provide you that data.

              • Randolph Duke on 05/09/2025 - 10:00
                +1

                @JimmyF:

                Show me the racist comment I made towards a race and I'll provide you that data.

                Congrats on your dog whistling.

                • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 10:23
                  +1

                  @Randolph Duke:

                  Congrats on your dog whistling.

                  See my other comments, nothing to do with your race or where you came from, but all about behaviour. You made it into a racist slur that it wasn't. Its not racist to call out bad behaviour.

                  The solution for those that feel racially attacked is pretty simple, stop doing socially unacceptable behaviour for the country you live in, and the problem solves itself.

                  If I went to dubai and did things socially unacceptable for their country, they would lock me up no questions asked. Are they being racist or am I being insensitive to thier cultural?

                  Being a white person it would be seen as I'm being insensitive to thier cultural and no one would care that I was locked up, I should have known better. Now why is it any different for people living in Australia regardless of race or where you had been born?

                  • freefall101 on 05/09/2025 - 11:10
                    +1

                    @JimmyF: I went and looked up the numbers, most cars are stolen by people born in Australia. 100% are stolen by car thieves.

                    For someone who doesn't care about race, you seem to talk a hell of a lot about it. Why do you talk so much about it when the clear problem here is tackling car thieves?

                    If I went to dubai and did things socially unacceptable for their country, they would lock me up no questions asked.

                    So we should target criminals and ignore race or where someone was born?

                    What a novel idea. Let's get on that.

                    • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 15:51
                      +1

                      @freefall101:

                      For someone who doesn't care about race, you seem to talk a hell of a lot about it.

                      Have I really? My only comments on race are responsing to people like you, who seem to be one the who likes to drag race into it, not me.

                      Go back and review, I have not called out any race directly only responded to people like you who drag a certain race into it. I have called out bad behaviour and people not fitting into the countries norms as a problem, regardless of race or where they are born.

                      So we should target criminals and ignore race or where someone was born?

                      100% yes.

                      What a novel idea. Let's get on that.

                      While you make fun of it, it isn't what is happening today which is 90% of the problem. Not everyone is held to the same standard, too many blind eyes which is the problem.

                    • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 20:38

                      @freefall101:

                      So we should target criminals and ignore race or where someone was born?

                      We should. But lots of cops and the judiciary go soft on certain demographics because they are fearful of being labelled racist and being cancelled, doxxed, attacked or having their career stagnate because not going soft would offend some woke luvvo whom their career progression relies on.

                      • Crow K on 06/09/2025 - 09:04
                        -1

                        @tenpercent: Yeah, that's the thing about the police and the judiciary, they're really worried about being cancelled by the public because they weren't woke enough.

      • Eeples on 05/09/2025 - 16:38

        Fits what evidence?

        • freeb1e4me on 05/09/2025 - 18:47
          -2

          There isn’t any. However, there is evidence for the contrary

  • askbargain on 04/09/2025 - 22:36
    +2

    Thanks, Da-

  • Far Cough on 04/09/2025 - 23:06
    -1

    i guess the cars in VIC are older.

    • JIMB0 on 04/09/2025 - 23:27
      +1

      Age doesn't matter, plenty of brand new cars are getting knocked off, the push button start cars are rediculouly easy to steal with cheap devices that plug into the obd port. They just smash the window and plug it in. The alarm doesn't even go off in most cases because they never open the door until the new key is programmed.

      • Far Cough on 04/09/2025 - 23:28

        yeah holdens, hyundais, and toyotas.

        • cloudy on 05/09/2025 - 08:26
          +2

          Had a neighbour who had their house broken into middle of the night just to steal the car keys to nick the car.

          The age of car doesnt matter when you have the key.

          • CharlieSheen on 05/09/2025 - 10:21
            +3

            @cloudy: I know a few people here who have had their cars stolen over the years, most of the thefts have been from burglaries just to steal car keys and nothing else. A few others have been stolen from public places like train stations.
            I don't drive (or own a car) but if I did i'd be very reluctant parking it somewhere dangerous overnight. If I lived somewhere dangerous I'd be very reluctant to park my car outside.

  • pegaxs on 04/09/2025 - 23:33
    +5

    I’m only here for the inevitable jv shit posting monthly numbers pumping comment about it being Dan Andrews or Jacinta Allen’s fault and then turn it into some correlation about machete amnesty bins being made in prisons…

    • Far Cough on 05/09/2025 - 00:15
      +1

      He wants more negs

    • JimmyF on 05/09/2025 - 08:07
      +2

      jv entered the block list a long time ago. So much nicer not seeing the dribble that comes out from jv for every post.

    • JIMB0 on 05/09/2025 - 09:35
      +3

      It's actually John Howard's fault. Most of the little pricks committing these crimes are the product of his baby bonus policy.

      • smartazz104 on 05/09/2025 - 13:22

        But some people got some sweet plasma TVs out of it so not all bad ey?

      • jv on 05/09/2025 - 17:54
        +1

        Most of the little pricks committing these crimes are the product of his baby bonus policy.

        I wasn't aware refugees living in Africa could apply for the baby bonus.

        • JIMB0 on 05/09/2025 - 22:47

          His Humanitarian Program let unprecedented numbers of them in as well. And sure, they might be over-represented in crime stats, but most of the trouble is still caused by the local baby bonus kids.

          • jv on 05/09/2025 - 23:46
            +1

            @JIMB0:

            but most of the trouble is still caused by the local baby bonus kids.

            I think you need to take a closer look at the video footage of who is commiting machete attacks, home break ins and car thefts.

  • Gunnar on 04/09/2025 - 23:37
    +4

    All I’m reading from this post is Melbourne (and Victoria in general) is responsible for my increased premiums.

    Screw you,l and your mate Dan Andrews 😉

    • mboy on 04/09/2025 - 23:48
      +2

      Yeah I wouldn't stress too much, it's mainly us Victorians who are going to get screwed by increased premiums.

    • modiika on 05/09/2025 - 09:57
      +3

      We just wanted to spread back the insurance love after all the floods and storms in Queensland and NSW.

    • smartazz104 on 05/09/2025 - 13:23
      +1

      responsible for my increased premiums

      Weird your premiums probably never went down in the past…

  • falcine on 04/09/2025 - 23:57
    +9

    Hasn't the cause been widely reported in the news? E.g. Criminal gangs using key programming devices to steal cars at level not seen in Victoria in decades, police say

    First line in that article: "Police have revealed criminal gangs armed with new tech devices were behind the biggest surge in vehicle thefts in more than 20 years."

    The answer to why VIC is the car theft capital of Australia seems to be that there is a particularly bad organised crime problem there.

  • TheMindsetTraveller on 05/09/2025 - 02:24

    Go buy a car make, model and colour that nobody wants to steal and you do not need to worry. Let's give you an example, a pink coloured Toyota Yaris and I bet that your premiums are low af and that nobody would ever want to go near it.

    • geekcohen on 05/09/2025 - 05:47
      +2

      Toyotas are one of the makes hit list at the moment. There are a specific few models, but once a model is known about its vunerabilities, they get hit.

      Colour….. lol, they won't care. All they need is a set of wheels. Whether it is yellow, bright blue or pink, the theives won't care.

      • modiika on 05/09/2025 - 09:59
        +4

        Agree, i think people seem to be under the impression that these cars are being stolen for their value. But they seemingly are being stolen for 1) the thrill 2) their utility to get from a-b when maybe you are too young to have a licence and 3) to commit other crimes. So yes if purely stealing for (1), then the appearance of the car might matter a little, but plenty of thrill to be had in joy riding in a pink toyota at 2 am.

    • OzzyOzbourne on 05/09/2025 - 09:22

      Pontiac Aztek

      • mapax on 05/09/2025 - 09:22

        How many of those were sold in Australia?

    • smartazz104 on 05/09/2025 - 13:24
      +3

      Just need an old-school manual transmission and they will be left scratching their heads.

  • holdenmg on 05/09/2025 - 05:09
    +8

    How ironic is it that Victoria used to have Car Number Plates like:

    "The Garden State" or "The Place to Be"

    Now in 2025 a Victorian plate is likely to indicate a stolen car.

    • payton on 05/09/2025 - 07:02
      +7

      The Gangland State
      "The Place to Be Robbed"

    • reactor-au on 05/09/2025 - 07:41
      +2

      "The Place Not To Be"

  • holdenmg on 05/09/2025 - 05:12
    +5

    I figure that people going to firebomb tobacco shops have to get their cars somewhere…

  • geekcohen on 05/09/2025 - 05:43
    +4

    Firstly, just to let fellow Melbournians know to be a bit more cautious since this is obviously a problem that is getting worse.

    Do you live under a rock and not watch the news? Your profile says you live in Melbourne.

    Its been a problem for a very very very very long time.

    Secondly, to discuss why this is happening. It seems very odd to me that this is exclusively getting worse in Victoria, and especially Melbourne. What's the cause, and what needs to change?

    Again, living under a rock? Don't watch the news most nights? Or any news during the day?

    It's the lack of consequences for these youths, and they think it is fun. They get caught, get bailed, and then go do it again! They have no care about being caught.

    What needs to change is tougher laws for these offenders and also parents should be punished as well. These kids are 12, 13, 14 and are out stealing cars. As a parent, why do you not know where you kid is? and why are they out on their own?

    I could talk about this until I am blue in the face, its so frustrating to see.

    • mapax on 05/09/2025 - 07:28
      +7

      Again, living under a rock?

      I only watch ABC news and IMO they don’t mention how bad it really is.

      Also, there are plenty of liars that are trying to convince normal people that car thefts, home invasions and machete attacks aren’t an issue. They say nonsense like if you’re not in a gang or don’t have high end vehicles you have nothing to worry about.
      Meanwhile my former elderly neighbour was beaten to within an inch of their life for a few grand in jewelry.
      A girl a few hundred metres further along had thugs try to kick in her door and then her Mazda 3 stolen, my local Coles was robbed by scum with knives, multiples of my colleagues have been assaulted and just a couple of weeks ago I was threatened with assault.

      Weird part is how many of the liars that I have met fully support the BS machete ban and then claim that there is hardly any machete crime or shitheads attacking people.

      • modiika on 05/09/2025 - 10:05
        -1

        Crime overall is pretty low still in Melbourne. But there has been a worrying rise in youth crime in Australia, with car thefts a particular issue for Victoria. But that still does not mean these crimes are particularly common.

        So you give an example of a bunch of crimes in close proximity to you in recent times. Thats distressing for sure but that anecdote doesnt give much of a picture. I live in Melbourne, me, my parents, my wife, our kid, my close friends have not experienced any crimes. Wait, 7 years ago I had a bike stolen, but I could have been more careful with where i left it.

        So its not that people are 'liars' it is that we have different experiences, and that overall to get a sense of how bad crime is you need to look at statistic in detail, compare them to the past, compare them to comparable cities. None of that is to say we shoudlnt want to do more, but it is to say that its probably not as big a problem as you think. The people raising the alarm about youth crime often have their own axe to grind and policies to push that arent necessarily about solving the issue but about benefiting themselves.

        Weird part is how many of the liars that I have met fully support the BS machete ban and then claim that there is hardly any machete crime or shitheads attacking people.

        Not really weird, they just think people dont need machetes so a machete ban is fair game even if it only stops a few attacks.

    • coffeeinmyveins on 05/09/2025 - 07:44
      +8

      Again, living under a rock? Don't watch the news most nights? Or any news during the day?

      Not everyone watches bias mainstream news at 6pm every night like a drone

      • ThithLord on 05/09/2025 - 08:25
        +2

        Don't you mean Mainscheme media

      • geekcohen on 05/09/2025 - 09:10

        I am not specifically talking about 6pm news. There is the Midday News, Morning News, 4pm/5pm News. Like, there is news throughout the day!

        Let alone all the other online news available.

        • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 11:53
          -1

          6pm news. There is the Midday News, Morning News, 4pm/5pm News. Like, there is news throughout the day!

          So much bubble to live inside of.
          So much propaganda to consume.

      • smartazz104 on 05/09/2025 - 13:25
        +1

        I guess what's left is to watch the news that doesn't think it's an issue…

    • mboy on 05/09/2025 - 10:44
      +1

      Do you live under a rock and not watch the news? Your profile says you live in Melbourne.

      Its been a problem for a very very very very long time.

      Again, living under a rock? Don't watch the news most nights? Or any news during the day?

      Throttle it back, will you. Yes, I've seen stuff about car thefts on the news. I suppose the extent of the issue wasn't completely apparent until I saw these statistics, which I'm still struggling to wrap my head around.

      The data seems to heavily suggest that only Victoria/Melbourne is dealing with this issue. Were you aware of that too?

      • geekcohen on 05/09/2025 - 12:57

        Throttle it back, will you. Yes, I've seen stuff about car thefts on the news. I suppose the extent of the issue wasn't completely apparent until I saw these statistics, which I'm still struggling to wrap my head around.

        It just seemed as if you were completely mind boggled that it was such an issue! Yes, the stats are high but its on the news night after night, some are worst then others.

        The data seems to heavily suggest that only Victoria/Melbourne is dealing with this issue. Were you aware of that too?

        Yes, it's mainly Metro Melbourne. Although not limited to that area, it appears most prominent in the metro area. I would assume that it is mostly due to the high value vehicles or quick movement to new areas.

    • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 11:52
      -1

      Do you live under a rock

      Yes, we all live under a rock.

      and not watch the news?

      Of course not. There's far better entartainment options today. But you do you.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/09/2025 - 21:30
      -1

      Too busy smoking meth off the back of another Labor handout?
      Or maybe they’re in a state sponsored injecting room?
      Take your pick.

  • Nutrino on 05/09/2025 - 05:43
    +4

    Ima go buy a steering lock.

    • geekcohen on 05/09/2025 - 05:44
      +8

      According to a guy on the news, that is one of the best deterants. Also, apparently owning a manual car! Hardly anyone knows how to drive them.

      • BadGiraffe on 08/09/2025 - 17:15
        +1

        Father in law bought steering locks for the whole family. That was his Christmas sorted last year.

        • geekcohen on 08/09/2025 - 17:16

          Brilliant idea for an Xmas gift.

          • BadGiraffe on 08/09/2025 - 17:20

            @geekcohen: I'd like to think there's no sarcasm there. They don't have to be fancy locks. Just obvious enough for thugs to just walk away from.

  • Fredfloresjr on 05/09/2025 - 06:59
    +9

    Melbourne is SH**….

    • BadGiraffe on 08/09/2025 - 17:17
      +1

      … is SHOCKED at how bad things are. They call us the Nanny State, but the one thing they need to hard on is severely lacking.

  • Checkmate3023 on 05/09/2025 - 07:03
    +10

    the criminal justice system is a joke thanks to Allan and Comrade Andrews but people voted for it so what do you expect

    Police have been asking for more power against these thugs breaking into houses, stabbing people and stealing cars for years the state government reponse was to put a few 350k bins out….

    • gyrex on 05/09/2025 - 07:29
      +11

      The rest of the country looks on in disbelief as Victorians, especially Melbournites, suffer acute Stockholm syndrome by continuously voting in these clowns who keep rewarding criminals and piling on record levels of unsustainable debt.

      • Randolph Duke on 05/09/2025 - 10:04
        +6

        The rest of the country looks on in disbelief as Victorians, especially Melbournites, suffer acute Stockholm syndrome by continuously voting in these clowns who keep rewarding criminals and piling on record levels of unsustainable debt.

        If Victoria had credible opposition we'd have something to choose at the election. The state Libs have been highjacked by the religious nuffies & far-right, dragging them further away from any chance of winning here.

        • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 12:04
          +4

          Can you give some examples of far-right policy positions that justify applying that label?

      • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 12:02
        +1

        Barely a third of Victorians voted for Labor at the last, 2022, state election.

        In the lower house:

        • Only 36.66% first preferences to ALP.
        • Yet 63.4% of seats went to Labor (the error is almost double the first preferences).

        In the upper house:

        • Just 33% of first preferences went to Labor (very similar to lower house)
        • And 37.5% of seats went to Labor (which is a much smaller error and likely statistically insignificant).

        Conclusions:

        • Most Victorians prefer candidates other than Labor.
        • The lack of multi-member electorates in the lower house skews representation away from the democratic will of the people.
        • Multi-member electorates for the upper house results in a far more diverse membership which much better represents the will of the people; unfortunately the government is formed by the lower house.
        • Eeples on 05/09/2025 - 16:45
          +2

          There is no ‘error’. It isn’t about a gerrymander if thats the point your are failing to make.

          It is about the election system: Preferential

          • tenpercent on 05/09/2025 - 16:56

            @Eeples: It's got nothing to do with preferential voting vs other methods.
            Are you suggesting the upper house, which has multi-member electorates, doesn't use preferential voting? FYI, It does.

            • Eeples on 05/09/2025 - 21:44

              @tenpercent: I’m suggesting second preferences are counted.

              What was the libs first preference percentage?

              • tenpercent on 06/09/2025 - 10:04

                @Eeples: Then are you suggesting second preferences are not counted in the upper house?

                Both the upper house and lower house use preferential voting. So why is there a huge difference between first preferences and seats in the lower house but a much smaller difference in the upper house? It's because of multi-member electorates in the upper house. Preferential voting is a commonality so it's not the cause.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/09/2025 - 21:34

      Pretty sure the state Labor government is just incompetent.
      What do police have to do with it? What additional powers are police going to be granted to apprehend thieves?
      I’m pretty sure the majority are simply incompetent.
      And before you say they’re not - there’s a cop killer on the loose that they have hundreds of resources on… and spoiler - he’s evaded them.

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