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SANYO Eneloop (Made in Japan) AA 8 Pack $19.98 + Shipping at Dick Smith
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steff on 11/11/2014 - 10:08 dicksmith.com.au (1685 clicks)
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It says Made in Japan (last bullet point in description)
Times made in Japan
Yeah that's probably a typo from the previous line. Someone must have accidentally hit the return key
They are sending out Chinese ones regardless of what the product image or description might suggest, I got some last week. Inferior to the Japanese ones according to testing.
Couldn't you point that out to them? If you were after the Japanese ones (and the website specifically says Made in Japan), you would definitely be entitled to a refund
I'm sure you would have a valid case for a refund, but not being near a store and not wanting the ballache of dealing with someone on the phone I decided to keep them for low drain use.
Same for me, ordered tones, waited, complained, received chocolates.
Waste of effort to complain again.Yes, you would be entitled to a refund, but good luck getting that sorted with Dick Smith. They've been no help. Looks like I have to go through PayPal again to get my money back, which means I have to pay for return shipping. Still going to do it out of principle, as I'm sure Dick Smith is counting on people not going to bother.
@daerka: Yeah I emailed DS via their website last week and haven't received any correspondence back. These guys are useless.
Unfortunately, I didn't pay by PayPal so can't pursue that route as I used DS gift cards to pay, so good luck to me trying to get a refund. Fortunately, my consolation was that I got the gift cards at half price.
Edit: Negging deal as it won't be the Sanyo (made in Japan) product that will be received, but rather Panasonic (made in China) ones. DS really should update their site.
Same; Chromecast never showed up - no response from email/phone. Posted a message on Facebook and got a call back within a day saying it's been shipped
What testing is this?
My Chinese eneloops all hold about 1950mAh at 1A discharge on the MAHA C9000, that's exactly the same as my made in Japan eneloops.
This testing. Looks interesting. I might test mine to see if it's a batch issue.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/169214#comment-2358356@eug:
Interesting, thanks for the link.The Chinese eneloops look to be better until about 200 cycles but then you would throw them out at 400 cycles.
The 2A charge is harsh for any battery but you can see in the slow charge the Chinese ones hold up OK.
Also under devices used it appears that he's using 2 different versions of the same charger, it makes me wonder why they would be revised.
I'm not too concerned, I have 100s of Japanese eneloops and only a few Chinese ones. Most of them are still in the packaging.
Given all the deals for $10-$14 posted on the Chinese ones they are still good value.
I'd like to do my own long term testing but I don't want to tie up my charger for months or spend another $90 for a 2nd one.
@ezarc: 100s of eneloops? What do you use them for? I ended up with 40 from the recent COTD deals and am looking for applications. All remotes already have Eneloops in them, and so do the LED flashlights. What else?
The revision 1.07 charger is the more basic version without an LCD screen. The 2.04 charger has an LCD screen and is generally more advanced.
(I'm the one that did the testing BTW)
@team teri:
Not just eneloops (in various colour editions) but also quite a few more eneloops pros, Sanyo Harmolattice (same as eneloops pro), lots of Panasonic Evoltas (LSD) and special edition Evoltas as well. And a few Fujitsu and Turnigy LSD cell as as well, without counting I'd say over 100 eneloops and over 50 other brand LSD AAs.Most of the eneloops and Evoltas are unopened as they are special editions and quite a few regular ones are unopened as well.
I'm also a flashlight fan and have owned 100+ in the last few years although I have sold most of them off or given them away and only have about 20 of my favorites.
And I also have about 50+ AA lithium primary batteries and 50+ AA alkalines all new in packets.
To me its just normal but when tell other people I can see how it looks like I have a problem.
I probably don't use more than 20 AAs in devices at one given time.
@OnTheMark:
Thanks for the info.Did the slow charge Chinese cells die just before 500 charges? The sudden stop without dropping off like the fast charged Chinese cells has me wondering.
There were only 2 Chinese cells - each cell was put through a series of test cycle consisting of 49 cycles at fast charge/discharge rates, followed by a slow discharge. The process was then repeated until the cells failed.
The cells failed the fast discharge when their internal resistance climbed so high that they couldn't maintain over 0.9V as soon as the load was applied. At lower discharge currents, the cells were still able to maintain over 0.9V so they were still able to supply a reasonable capacity.
Let me know if you need further clarification on this!
@ezarc: Thanks a lot for the detailed reply. I don't see a problem, collecting batteries and flashlights will turn out much more useful when the Zombie apocalypse comes (or more likely WW III) than collecting stamps.
Didn't help me though with finding a use scenario for my 40, I guess there will be some Xmas eneloop presents this year :-)
Yes. At least the latest batches. Dick Smith is now sending out chinese made Tropicals. They've been made aware that they're advertising these incorrectly as Japanese made Sanyo and have done nothing so far to correct this. I wonder why.
I bet you receive made in China, that's what people are reporting receiving now. I doubt DS has two separate SKUs for them.
Then you'd return them.
Assuming they're local enough.
China made are 4th generation code 3MCC by Panasonic
Japan made are 3rd generation code 3UTG by Sanyo
Honestly i don't see any reasons buying older version electronicsThere is when the previous version is better. The Japanese ones seem to last, in all respects, better than the Chinese. Besides the Japanese economy needs all the help it can get.
"seem" means you never used them , how can you make a judgement?
Face it, the majority of Japanese manufacturer are outsourcing to overseas. Honda, Sony and Nikon have most of goods made in Thailand . Japanese economy will not be going up in next decades@cyruslol:
Hey cyruslol,
If you take the time to read the candlepower link Stevsie76 made above, you will see that the Eneloops produced by the Chinese plant are far inferior to the Japanese ones. The tested ones failed completely at 300 recharge/discharges (under heavy test conditions) whereas they are rated for 2100 cycles. The Japanese ones were still performing when the test was stopped.
Dont mistake this for a Chinese vs Japanese thing, it isn't. It is simply that the new Chinese version of a particular product blows compared to the older Japanese version when tested. Everyone knows China manufactures many excellent products.@King Tightarse: right, hope the batch i bought will last longer than 300 charges if it doesn't , i would just buy energizer instead
@cyruslol:
Yeah, well its early days with the testing. It could be a random sample anomaly (not a big enough sample group) but it doesn't auger well. The average user will almost certainly get more than 300 cycles from the Chinese Eneloops. The tests were "stress tests" designed to flog them under the worst conditions and see what happens. Some people such as pro photographers would use them this way though.
More testing is ongoing.
Keep discussion on topic please, any further personal attacks or inappropriate comments will result in penalties. Thanks
@King Tightarse: Do we have any other source besides the candle power forum link, or do people generally not test batteries?
@Jekyll:
The candlepower link is "the" one however we have Ozbargain member OnTheMark above in this thread he is the man that did the testing and actually wrote the firmware for the smart charger they were tested on.
@Stevesie76: Interesting test!
Someone or the same guy should redo the same test with another batches of batteries so can confirm once and for all these results.
(But seems to be correct as Panasonic has tried to ignore his/her results and did not reply after acknowledging his/her email/test/ methods…)Yep I'm the guy who ran the test - I'm planning to run another set of tests with a new batch of Chinese Eneloops to confirm the results.
Yep - I'll try to remember to do so.
I'm sure that others will post a link to the results on CandlePowerForums if I do forget!
So far, I've only completed testing on 2 Chinese Eneloops.
It is conceivable that they came from a bad batch and that they're normally better, but I doubt it. Even if they were from a bad batch, it's still a bad sign because Eneloops are known for their consistency - a bad batch would still be bad news…
How are you going to run your test? I.e. which charger/analyzer and what's your method going to be?
@OnTheMark: not me but ask a friend studying eletrical engineering in Uni see if she is interested，not everyone takes Eneloop so seriously
Its because some people do take eneloop and its associated testing seriously which is why we're taking OnTheMark's results seriously. Otherwise I might as well ask my 5 year old nephew who likes playing with batteries to do some random tests.
@Kenb0: 2 units test destroys millions hmm very statistic ! tell your nephew neither trooical nor choc eneloops are eatable
@OnTheMark: mate i do respect your work but 2 samples are RARELY making sense to average consumers, it is 2 out of millions chance.
I just suggest ppl unhappy with the latest eneloop move on to energizers to make their life easier
More samples are of course better, but considering how consistent Eneloops have been in the past, a sample of 2 that have performed significantly worse than they should is definitely significant in my opinion.
I am working on testing more Chinese Eneloops, so I'll be posting up the results of those tests as soon as I can.
In the mean time, I wouldn't go recommending Energizers… Energizer previously put out some horrendous rechargeables that performed extremely poorly - think self discharge rates measured in days or less! I can't really comment on the currently available Energizer rechargeables - presumably they are better than their previous attempts, but that's not exactly hard…
Energizer previously put out some horrendous rechargeables that performed extremely poorly - think self discharge rates measured in days or less!
I had a few sets of those. "Days" isn't an exaggeration. It was pretty disappointing - I bought them because they were made in Japan. I did read Energizer would replace them under warranty if you complained, at least in the US. I ended up just chucking mine away.
It's meant to be better now, but I switched to mainly Eneloops and have been pretty satisfied since.
While I agree that 2 unit sample size is very small, no one else seems to have tested(or if they have, they haven't posted their results somewhere) the new eneloops to the extent that OnTheMark has so in the absence of further evidence, we're taking those test results quite seriously.
If someone else is going to take the time and effort to test more new eneloops in a systematic and verifiable manner and the results show that perhaps his test may be from a bad batch, and chinese eneloops are just as good as the jap eneloops, then everyone's happy, cheaper eneloops for everyone. In the meantime, we can only go on the evidence we have….
Supporting the Japanese economy one eneloop at a time. Enelenomics?
Yeah well Sony isn't doing them any favours with their overpriced products and lack of innovation.
I was just taking a look at all the eneloop products on the DS website. There are two product pages for these tropical eneloops.
The product page for the $19.98 tropicals have the code Model #: BK-3MCCE/8PT.
The product page for the $49.98 tropicals have the code Model #: HR-3UTGB8TPT.
The pictures shown on both are of the Sanyo made version. Which means that these could well be the Chinese made version.BK-3MCCE/8PT will be the Chinese version. HR-3UTGB8TPT is the product code for the 3rd Gen Japanese Eneloops.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the actual product codes though - you'd probably end up with the Chinese version either way…
Because newer doesn't always mean better.
yeah like iphone 5s and bendable iphone 6 but which one would you buy?
hmmm, iPhone 6, lol
Can I do a pick up for these?
Doesn't look like it.
Last time I ordered these from Trickies at $20 shipped I was sent Chocolats instead. When I complained they tried to say I was sent an equivalent product. When I complained some more I decided to ask for $5 refund since the Chocolats had been selling at that price in the meantime (shipped). They agreed to this. So be aware if they run out of stock they may try to fob you off with Made in China.
Note that shipping is usually $5 for metro areas.
Click and collect not available?
Don't see any difference between made in Japan and made in China for these branded batteries.
So if you were in a Dick Smith and saw two packs of Eneloops side by side with the same specs, age, and design, but one is made in Japan and one is made in China, you really would pick the one that's made in China?
sorry mate but you are not getting any JP stock in future, the Energizer will suit your needs then
This is not buying a thousand dollor worth TV or Fridge, just 20 bucks batteries, why being so picky? You must hard to be pleased
You're in the land of Ozbargain, where even savings of a few cents is enough to create euphoria amongst participants.
Guys don't buy slippery dick will send you Chinese made. I'm still waiting for a reply from the previous $14.98 deal when it said Made in Japan but was Panasonic China
So Now I've got my AAA's on the way from the other day and these AA's.. but no charger.
Anyone can link me to the best and cheapest charger that will do the job on these, I'm not exactly a battery connoisseur….You need a smart charger (not timed)
Like a La Crosse Technology BC-700
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RSOV50/ref=oh_aui_detai…
And its not really a bargain…. (would buy if original Japan enloops :D )
Mention the word Eneloop and out comes the fans votes. Realistically, there has been over a dozen deals at $14.98 + $2 p/h. Not a deal.
They're still a valid deal if its actually for Japanese made eneloops as recent testing is indicating the Japanese eneloops are better than the chinese made eneloops. The $14.98 deals have all been for chinese made eneloops, so if this deal is for a different product, then I reckon its still a deal.
We are now posting Eneloops simply because they are available. There is nothing special about these batteries. If you are so into getting "made in japan" go buy the energizers at Safeway
By the way, how are those those Energizers made in Japan compare to Eneloop are they made in the same factory?
Those who receive the Chinese Eneloops should go to a local DSE store and ask for a replacement (Sanyo) or refund. I got a replacement but I'm lucky to be working near a major DSE store and they had Japanese tropicals in stock. Store manager understood the situation and had no problem exchanging them.
Arnt all batteries made in China now days?
Older Sanyo-branded Eneloops were made in Japan and are far superior to current Chinese-made Panasonic-branded Eneloops it seems. Because of DS no one will buy these when they are selling for almost $50 a pack.
Energiser alkaline batteries vs Dick Smith branded alkaline batteries.
If you use smart charger for eneloop, you won't find anything different between the 2 eneloop in your entire lifetime.I bought these Eneloops in the last Dick Smith deal ($14.98 with $2 shipping). Same product code as this deal's: S4492.
Got sent Chinese-made Panasonic Eneloops, had to call and email twice to get them to pick them up. The rep said they would correct the error and send me Japanese ones, though I am a bit skeptical. If that happens, I would have to call them and request a refund.
It would seem many people are receiving the Chinese-mades ones, rather than the Japanese ones.
I don't really understand how the Japanese ones would be better " yes japanese do make great things" so does china. it could be a different product or it could also be another version of envelops. Things made in China do have strict quality control so shouldn't be problem for such big brands.
As far as I'm concerned, the main issue is that the product was advertised as Made in Japan and being Sanyo branded. Japanese made Eneloops have always been more expensive, getting a pack for $14.98 is a bargain. Chinese made Eneloops can be had for even less quite regularly these days. So, you think you got a bargain, but instead you ended up paying more than you'd be willing to pay. It's the exact opposite of getting a bargain and this is simply not acceptable.
Slightly different "chemistry" can make a HUGE difference in how batteries perform.
so what's the point?
people get pissed becase not getting <$20 Japnese batteries
Note to self: Ozbargainers take their Eneloops VERY seriously
lolz
Hopefully those take their Eneloops THAT seriously also take their charger very seriously.
They will have to use a ultra top-end charger to marry their Japanese eneloops.I, for one, got the Maha C9000.
Apart from possibly misleading claims (which IS an issue worth pursuing if you have the wherewithal and follow testing standards precisely), whether the Chinese Eneloops last "only" 400 or so recharges is hardly significant for many users. To put it into perspective, at one recharge per month your $2 battery will last 30 years, even at one a week you're closing in on 8 year lifetime. The two most important factors for me are retention of charge when not in use and capacity/discharge characteristics.
So, neggers, which part of my comment was "wrong" in your eyes? Don't be shy give us the benefit of your tri(currently)-wizard "wisdom".
I haven't given you a negative vote, but one thing I'd disagree with you is that just because the cells are capable of 400 or so cycles on a hard test, it doesn't mean that you'll even get that many cycles out of them.
I don't yet have any evidence that this is the case, but if the Chinese Eneloops are more fragile (i.e. easier to kill - perhaps by over/reverse charging them for example) then they may die a lot quicker than Japanese cells which might otherwise continue to perform relatively well. Just speculation on my part though at the moment until I've had a chance to run more tests!
scandalous ds
do they sell these in Japan?
Japan ALWAY sells its best goods domestically, cars, electronics, phones, etc we are not getting the best stuff.
From all reports, Chinese made Eneloops are not sold in Japan at all.
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tropicals are made in china ?