Thought this was a pretty good price for one of the best SSDs out there. Been very happy with my 500GB 850 Pro that I purchased a few months ago.
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To be fair mate, it is not even on the same planet as the best SSDs out there - it is the best of the cheap consumer models
Apparently at least 3 people have never heard of SLC and Enterprise SSDs that absolutely obliterate this cheapie
You would think even Samsung fanboys would prefer Samsungs high end gear
Compared to the statement of one of the best SSDs, saying SLC based SSDs and enterprise SSDs absolutely obliterate 850 Pro is actually more inaccurate (especially enterprise SSDs, as there are TLC based enterprise SSDs). Let's face it, all of the TLC drives use SLC cache to cheat and the SLC cache does not blow away the MLC SSDs.
Also, if 850 Pro is cheap to you, then you don't need to look at OZB deals.
P.S. I did not neg vote you.
Compared to the statement of one of the best SSDs, saying SLC based SSDs and enterprise SSDs absolutely obliterate 850 Pro is actually more inaccurate (especially enterprise SSDs, as there are TLC based enterprise SSDs)
no it is not, even the TLC based enterprise drives have VASTLY improved IOPS capability and write lifime, along with generally higher parallelism across FLASH chips.
Let's face it, all of the TLC drives use SLC cache to cheat and the SLC cache does not blow away the MLC SSDs.
No, they dont. only the absolute cheapest of them, all the decent ones use DRAM, including this one.
if 850 Pro is cheap to you, then you don't need to look at OZB deals.
being aware something is cheap has nothing to do with needing to buy cheapies. I am sure very few of us are buying brand new mercedes cars, despite the fact we know they are objectively better than ourt cheapies. But our cheapies serve our purpose and pocket. Personally i drive an old BMW, but there are always trade offs (like the once $1500 13yo model 8I 8O 24/9 6audio interface i am using that is a PITA on win7/10, but by god it sounds good)
@mycosys: So, a 128GB TLC enterprise SSD will blow away this 850 Pro 1TB SSD? Also, based on the specs I checked, in terms of performance, even on IOPs, 850 Pro does beat enterprise TLC SSDs released around the same time.
Now, if you intend to compare with the latest gen enterprise SSDs (most likely MLC ones), then compare it to Samsung 950 Pro (or the upcoming Samsung 960 Pro).
Enterprise SSDs are more about reliability and consistency. They won't blow away the same gen consumer SSDs (the reason is simply, if Samsung purposely crippled consumer SSDs so much, then other vendors like Micron and Toshiba shouldn't struggle to beat Samsung in raw performance right?).
As for DRAM making a huge difference. Consumer SSDs now have a "hack" to use some spare memory on the PC (i.e. RAM drive) to accelerate the performance. Yes, when using benchmark software, you get unbelievable results when using that hack, but deep down, when it comes to large data, those drives will need to write to the flash ROM eventually. With Rapid mode (I still prefer to think of it as a hack), 850 Pro gets 2X improvement on random IOPs and 10X improvement on sequential read/write (benchmark software). So, for normal consumers dealing with small work/project files, they might feel a big improvement (but to me, it is still a hack). Micron and other vendors have same feature as well. The same applies to enterprise SSDs. There is no way a vendor would include 256GB RAM cache. And, if you are saying the enterprise SSDs use DRAM to take advantage, that again is to trick benchmark software.
Most people don't run 20 VMs, and multiple databases on a PC/Mac. To you, 850 Pro is too slow. For most people, including myself, it is fast enough. I will be very happy if all my PCs/laptops each have this SSD in it.
@mycosys: There are people buying brand new Mercedes (they are cheaper than they used to be due to weak Euro). The reality is Mercedes also have their fair share of problems too (new ones too).
I am not so sure "mercedes" is perfectly good English. Also, your "Personally i drive an old BMW…" hm… yeah.. very good English indeed.
Im not sure if you have heard of e.e. cummings, among others who prefer not to stylise themselves with capitals. Actually - your english is abominable and your grammar woeful so i have little doubt you have not. Beyond which this is informal discourse, not a formal treatise, so utterly differnt rules apply. Even english academics think grammar nazis in informal discourse are complete W4|||<3R5
Oh - you do realise many new mercs are not german made?
@mycosys: I do. I was referring to German made Mercedes. Also, you do realise German made products do break down too? A family friend bought a brand new Mercedes 3 years ago (German made), and he had to get 3 warranty repairs (engine, struts, mirrors) and 1 out of warranty repair (dashboard). He was disappointed with the whole experience.
@netsurfer:
Yes, and since i used to live with a Rolls Royce mechanic and have friends that Own Rolld Bentley and Daimler i can tell you they all break down too. Every device does. Though RR at the time would take the car away on a flatbead in the dead of night and return it fixed to the exact same spot to make it seem not.
All of this is still UTTERLY irrelevent to your pissing contest. The undeniable fact is that the TBW of comparable enterprise drives is 10+ times longer.
@mycosys: You are all about theoretical stuff. The quoted values (the benchmark results). For most consumers, there is no point getting an enterprise SSD.
Enterprise SSDs from 5 years ago (even the SLC ones) are pretty much worthless now - they cannot possibly be NVMe. New standards will come out. Also, a lot of PC motherboards don't have m2. Quite a number of laptops don't have m2 either. Don't quote a $1000 laptop or one of the top motherboards. The bottom line is that you still need to check before you buy (m2 is not ubiquitous). If I want something with a m2 (or multiple m2 slots), I definitely need to pay more. Then, you also need to check the PCIe speed/version supported (and some will even require a BIOS update to get full speed).
This SSD is fast enough for most people. In fact, most people don't even want to spend this much for an SSD. So, complaining about it being slow (from an enterprise point of view) doesn't help general public.
It would have been better to name other consumer SSDs which are just as fast, but much cheaper. That will help most people.
again - utterly irrelevant
Oh and my laptop is worth $3,000 - $1,000 laptops dont fit my usage needs.
High end/enterprise SSDs are mostly useless in a world where most laptops and desktops have SATA3. Most consumers just want a high-capacity, fast (by their standards) and cheap SSD. This is it. They just want quick boots, quick app launches, quick transfers, etc.
This does not change the fact it is nowhere near one of the best
@mycosys: Why don't you name some of the SATA3 based enterprise SSDs which are way better than this one?
What relevance does SATA3 have? Whatever interface it has it is NOT "one of the best SSDs out there" full stop, end of story. It is a great value vegment drive, one of the best, but not deserving of that hyperbole. That is an undebatable fact. Performance relative to some other thing in the value segment is utterly irrelevant and only a moron would be bringing it up to defend such a statement.
Why dont you try to telkl me that the 850 pro can compete with this http://www.storagereview.com/huawei_es3600_v3_nvme_ssd_revie… the first enterprise SSD i came across on StorageReview. Its only 6 times faster after all.
Oh and the SATA 6Gbps bus is ovbiously saturated by either drive, but check out the TBW rating ACTUAL (not rated) IOPS and from the 850 pro's enterprise big bro
http://www.storagereview.com/samsung_sm863_ssd_review
Of course nobody is releasing top performance drives for SATA anymore, on Enterprise went SAS long ago and both consumer and enterprise are now moving to NVMe at the least, large enterprise moving to NVMf or other fabric tech.
@mycosys: English, mate… SATA3. How much is that drive you mentioned? Also, why do normal people need such a drive?
You are taking advantage of loop holes in other people's sentences. OP was basically indicating it is one of the best consumer SATA3 SSDs out there. I can also pick an ancient SLC SSD made by Intel a few years ago with subpar IOPs. I don't think that SSD is any good in today's standard.
You know what OP meant. Your English is better than mine. Surely you can be nice and not pick on people.
I have not + voted this deal, nor recommend people to buy this. A person with good technical knowledge like yourself don't need to start by bashing people. Also, in SATA3 space, there hasn't been anything exciting for a long time (and you know why). Not saying buy this, but in the SATA3 space, there hasn't been a good challenger to this SSD (which is kinda sad for consumer - one reason why this drive is still pricey).
Christ you really do not understand english, or basic logic.
Whatever you feel he was 'basically' sying, what he said was utterly untrue, as i have demonstrated again and again.
You also dont know anything about the drives you are talking about - THIS VERY DRIVE uses a DRAM cache (UP to 1GB) ON BOARD, not software tricks.
Further SATA is already saturated by value segment drives - of course i cant show you a higher TRANSFER drive as the bus doesnt suppoprt it - faster drives in the value segment use NVMe/PCIe, by absolute necessity.
The price is utterly irrelevabt as to whether it is the best or not - it is the best cheapie - as i said, but it is nowhere on the planet of the best drives.
PLEASE get a clue what you are on about before you comment further
@mycosys: DRAM cache is a trick. If the flash ROM is so fast like you said, why use the DRAM cache? What is the purpose of a cache? If you are saying the biggest difference is the 1GB cache, are you indicating essentially people should buy enterprise SSDs for the 1GB cache?
You need to get a clue. Just because it is on-board, it doesn't mean there is zero delay writing to the flash ROM from cache. Zero delay means the flash ROM is just as fast as RAM, which defeats the purpose of having the DRAM cache.
What is the definition of enterprise? Why should consumers buy enterprise SSDs?
We are telling people to look past the cache (DRAM or SLC cache). A lot of these TLC SSDs get stellar performance figures (in benchmark software) due to the inbuilt cache. The same applies to enterprise SSDs too. I indicated that rapid mode (basically RAM drive + SSD combination) is not a good way to look at the performance of the SSDs (the figures look so much like enterprise SSDs - hint hint). The same applies to hardware cache. That's how manufacturers cheat. For Samsung TLC SSD deals posted, I often post a comment reminding people not to look at the benchmark figures too seriously because of the cache it uses does provide false impression. Same applies to enterprise SSDs. Once you start getting cache misses or overflow, that's where the real performance comes in.
I have NVMe SSDs. However, I am not going to recommend general public to get them. It is easy to look at those figures are get tricked. Most people don't need NVMe SSDs.
What on earth are you smoking? I have not said that the difference is the cache - merely that you hasd not clue wehat you were talking about. Clearly you have no clue what cache does and what it is for.
Once again THE SAMSUNG 850PRO COMES WITH UP TO 1GB OF ON BOARD DRAM CACHE - nothing to do with enterprise - just to do with you having no clue what you are on about.
Most writes are in very short bursts and the cache makes a MASSIVE diufference to that, particularlty on the faster busses. It is not a 'cheat', it is a standard performance optimisation used on every level of storage technology. From the CPU to your DVD drive. It enables consistent performance on an OS that does not reliably timeshare evenly.
Clearly you also know nothign abotu benchmarks - the EXPERTS doing them know A LOT more than you and deliberately write far mopre than the cache can handle at a given time showing both the raw performance and interface performance of the drive - they have done the same for many many years on spindle drives too. They also use uncompressible data so that the compression algorithms dont misprepresent then seped of the flash chips, and use the drives in a contaminated state to show performance over normal life.
I have also never said consumers shold use enterprise gear - i have said that this is not 'one of the best SSDs out there' referencing their vastly superior performance as obvious proof of this fact whiuch shoudol be utterly undebtable.
PLEASE get a clue -= or you can keep arguing with an engineering technician with decades of experience in their field in a language you dont undetand
Also you neglect the fact that most modern laptops and Desktops support PCIe NVMe over M.2. but it is still utterly irrelevant to whether or not this is 'one of the best ssds out there' - it just isnt
@mycosys: Cache is a way to cheat. A lot of reviews did not show the true performance of Samsung TLC SSDs after the cache is exhausted (but they did for another SSD - and they had to run the test slightly differently for that other SSD).
Name one of the enterprise SATA3 SSDs that can blow this SSD away. Using an interface weakness against this SSD is cheating too. Don't divert from naming a SATA3 enterprise SSD. Also, tell us the price of the Huawei Enterprise SSD.
Have a look at the following site:
http://www.fastestssd.com/featured/ssd-rankings-the-fastest-…
Get that site to change, will you? Name an enterprise SSD with the same form factor that blows 850 Pro away.
@mycosys: Gosh, if I have to buy a latest gen laptop or PC, just because I want to buy an SSD that's great in benchmark (which doesn't fit my usage pattern at all), it is going to be expensive. I am sure everyone replaces their PC every year. But wait, I thought enterprise devices are about long lasting. Obviously, enterprise SSDs from 5-6 years ago are so fast, even 850 Pro cannot compete.
Also, what am I going to use to write to the SSD that fast? Wait, hold on, you said most write are small files.. so let me copy loads of small files back and forth (wait, I'd better get two of them so the speed won't be hampered). Oh, and the IOPs, I probably should have some automation software which opens applications non-stop and simulate thousands of user requests.
Why? the interface is IRRELEVANT to the statement 'one of the best ssds around'. It just isnt. Full stop. you have not presented a single piece oif evidence otherwise - even explaining that youy HAVE a better drive.
Cache is not a 'cheat' - it makes a HUGE difference to performance - go learn SOMETHING before you talk - you know NOTHING
@mycosys: You cannot name an Enterprise SATA3 SSD that blows it away, can you?
Well, at least a site agree with OP and most of us.
http://www.fastestssd.com/featured/ssd-rankings-the-fastest-…
All you can do is quote a SSD that costs so much more and most people cannot even take advantage of it. Don't claim that everyone has a PC or laptop that has a m2.
@netsurfer:
And how awful that updating computers costs money - we should have all stuck with 486s. Why even have an SSD at all. My Maxtor 8051A 42MB drive worked just fine on my 8088. For that matter the Tape drive on my Amstrad 64 worked fine too - maybe we should have stuck with those.
Again - leartn english - yet again you have claimed somethign i did not. If your laptop is from LAST DECADE you are out of luck
And yet again - interface IS IRRELEVANT.
Is your IQ<Age?
@mycosys: Yeah, you are right. Let's all get the fastest PC and enterprise SSD EVERY YEAR like you. So, I expect your Huawei enterprise SSD won't be the fastest SSD next year so you will upgrade that SSD and whatever PC/laptop to the latest and greatest. Good on you.
@mycosys: Interface is relevant. You cannot name an SSD that's on the same interface which blows it away so it IS relevant. If it is not, then get a converter for your Huawai and make it run on SATA3 (because it is irrelevant).
What interface does your Huawei SSD use? It fits all current gen laptop / PC, even one of those $75 cheapy motherboards?
Interface may be relevant to the bee in youur bonnet but is in no way relevant to the unequivocal statement
"one of the best SSDs out there"
It just isnt. We both know that. Stop arguing whether it is appropriate for some job or other - that is also utterly irrelevant. Yes it is probably the best drive in the value segment. I have said that repeatedly But it is still in that segment. It is still limited by SATA and has nowhere near the number of flash channels nor the size of cache that the TRUE high performance drives has - and when one talks best that generally involves quality and longevity and enterprise drives will last several times as long.
You know it, I know it - quit arguing nothing kid
@mycosys: Yes it is probably the best drive in the value segment. You said so many times.
OP's statement: Thought this was a pretty good price for one of the best SSDs out there
He did not mention anything about being the fastest. What's the big deal about enterprise SSDs? Honestly, for consumers, do you expect them to keep SSDs for 10 years? If so, are you sure in 10 years time, your Huawei SSD will still be super duper fast?
Reliability… honestly, if every 850 Pro can last till the quoted figure, every buyer should be laughing. I had a few SSD failures… You cannot rely on SSDs.
Can you really not get the point that it just isnt one of the best out there, full stop? Why tell people there arent better drives? There are. Why assume a usage case anyway? If you have a need for a better or faster drive then get one, if this is for you then you likely know so already, and if you dont then a chedaper drive is likely a vetter idea.
Look me up on my old whirlpool posts dude - same username, 11,000 post count virtually all in desktops, ran the desktops IRC channel, and that was 20 years after i statered fixing PCs for work at 15. I started using unix about the same time when i got busted hacking the library multi terminal server and they gave me 2 options - help them or get busted hard - easy choice.By '94 i was a VJ on a very hacked up 486DX2-100 that was faster than early pentiums. We had the first pentium 120 in the ACT for a while, courtesy of my job as head tech of an IS9001 PC building company. Organisation i co-organised was running long distance wifi broadbad in '98. providing free wifi and internet cafe from there even. We had Redhat servers and Suse, windows, and macOSX 'cafe' machines. We also ran long distance WiFi links for festivals back to base as it was MUCH faster than modems (2Mbit vs 32k). Another i worked for and with, a sister organisation was running one of the first open pubnlishing systems amoing other sites distributed in servers across the world, in '99. Our first AMD64 machine blew us away. I am possibly the most experienced person in the config and build of PCs contibuting here.
@mycosys:
It is the fact that you mentioned your experience and technical expertise which makes people more upset. NVMe drives, to most people, are waste of money. It is not about getting the fastest SSD for most people. This is OZBargain, not OZBest or OZFastestIT. Someone with so much technical experience should know that. The point I am trying to get across to you is this:
Telling people that NVMe drives are far better and go get them right now is NOT someone with so much technical knowledge should do. You need to use a RAM drive or another NVMe drive just to test a NVMe SSD properly. Also, I pointed out rapid mode, which does provide 2X IOPs and overcome the SATA3 limitation with some mind blowing figures when running benchmark software. What does that tell you? Don't just look at the benchmark figures. Again, for day to day, it is unrealistic for most people to have the usage pattern the benchmark software is doing. Reliability… honestly, name an IT product that you are still using that's from 10 years ago that is considered fast in today's standard. Do you actively use files you produced 10 years ago? How about those UNIX scripts or C program you wrote years ago. Do you still use them every day?
How much of this need to tell people about NVMe SSD drives is due to you have one of the enterprise SSDs? My advice to people regarding SSDs is don't count on the endurance rating quoted by manufacturers.
The reality is people looking at this deal know they are looking at SATA3 based SSDs. I believe my fellow OZBers know their stuff. This assumption that you are the best and you know everything is interesting. My first job involved fixing laptops (also fixing desktops, desktops are easier to fix). Can you fix a broken TV?
Also, let me give all the IT people a wake up call. We have OZBers which are doctors. Let's not kid ourselves, we are not the smartest.
WTF is wrong with you you complete plonker. The thread is long dead, you are the only one watching and the onlyt one who wills ee or care. I didnt mention the Electrronic trade i did at quadruple speed topping most classes, nor my HDs in my engineering bachelors, Nor 2 Unit electronics in hisgh school, nor being one of the first double helix gold members - and to be honest most doctors are thick as t2 short planks - my current doctor was the personal physician to the current king of saudi arabia - he is smarter than i - impressive when your IQ is measured at a 1 in 10,000 level. I have run tech for over 10,000 people at a time, I have done installs at the passposrts office international secure gateway to their mainfram from the embassies, at Government House (ordering pizza was awesome - the poor guy couldnt believe it was for real), in defense secure areas etc etc.
If facts piss you off, you are a fool. Not just ignorant but wilfully so, and you deserve the donald trumps and nigerian scams of this world.
@mycosys: I am glad someone as smart as you is still going with this.
You do know the reason OP mentioned it is one of the best is the same reason why you insist on telling people about enterprise SSDs right? The reason is not really technical at all.
Don't get the part about installs. What's so special about installs? Don't you have some automated process to do those type of things nowadays? When I was fixing PCs and laptops, the install people (assembly group) were already doing bulk installs. Installing PC 1 by 1 manually for hundreds or thousands of PCs back in old days was already too painful. Back then, it was already automated.
With cloud computing, my team can spin up a new server instance with a click of a button. For non-production servers, they are scheduled to be turned off automatically after hours.
You do realise wrong is wrong, dont you?
It was a simple attempt to put in clear context that it is one of the best in this low end segment, and that even in the consumer segment there are better drives, on ANY desktop and any recent notebook (though obviously not netbooks that cant even take a drive like this). Even on a 6yo laptop adding an mSATA is likely to be a better option than replacing the spinner alone.
On any desktop from the last 10 years ytou can add a PCIe drive, which will be a 'better' drive.
It isnt about enterprise drives - hence the AND in the original statement (again - learn english). It is about the simple fact that there are a hell of a lot of drives that are objectively better drives by any measure but price - not normally how anyone would measure any type of better apart from better value. It was just easier to point to enterprise NVMe as a drive that would obliterate it as it required no effort or research.
And OF COURSE a better drive would have a better bus - the SATA 6Gbps bus is EOL, SAS has long been many times that and even it is becomming outdated. I honestly dont get what your knickers are in a twist over - clearly we agree on th base issue, though you really should stop giving advice you know nothing about, like cache being a 'cheat' or benchmarks not showing the performance of the flash. Maybe be a little more selective in what you believe - storage review is reliable, as are jonnyguru and hardwaresecrets (what tech doesnt like power supplies?), guru3d is good for their field. etc
Installs didnt always work that way for one. For 2, you are assuming this is average systems - the Passports system for instance was a gatewaty between a bank of asyhcronous modems and their X.25 mainframe system, translating between asychronous and syncronous signalling, using their own proprietary software and some very bespoke cards.
I'll leave to your imagining what might be in the governor generals offices, or under the fenced off areas in Barton, ACT.
oh and yes - ANY recent motherboard can support NVMe NGFF http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-0-x4-Lane-Host-Adapter-Converte…
@mycosys: You don't get it. People didn't neg your initial comment for technical reasons. They neg your initial comment because you are being cheeky (and I am being nice).
You might have lots of devices which can use NVMe (but even that is a bit of mess. We have PCIe, m.2, and several other formats. Not a good thing for consumers. There is also the BIOS issue. Even the latest PC needs BIOS updates for NVMe SSDs sometimes. With SATA3, at least you won't have that issue. mSATA, don't get me started on that (no performance benefit over SATA3 and cost more).
Be consistent. If we are talking about latest and greatest, don't bother mentioning mainframe. That's so old school, something a big company managed to hook big organisations into using. Besides, there is always a way to automate it.
@mycosys: How much is the Huawei SSD? Is it a sensible choice for everyone? Come on.
How about ITX? I have several ITX and older NUCs. Can I use one of those? No. How about my 3 years old i7 HP laptop without m2? Can I put that PCIe converter in?
Come on, be realistic. Even this Samsung SSD is an overkill for most people.
@netsurfer:
LMFAO - clearly you dont even know what a mainframe is.
You do get that M.2 is just PCIe and ssd lines on a different connector right? Same with msata and miniPCIe? My i7 is using a miniPCIe wireless card atm. You only need updates for the bootloader to be off SATA btw - you can leave that on the spinner. The advantage of m.2 and msata (apart from teh obvious weight and size) is that you can add one WITHOUT removing the spinner on most laptops, or run one with 2 other 2.5s on a unit like mine.
And thankfully you are very wrong about 'always a way to automate it' - otherwise tehre would be no need for techs or consultants etc
how much it is is STILL irrelevant - it is better. You dont say Kia is the best out there and then say - oh i meant for cheapo cars. It just isnt.
I already posted the link for PCIe that will support your ITX, here is one for your laptop to use PCIe NGFF M.2 http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/M2MP1-M-2-NGFF-to-Mini-PCI-E-PCIe… - easy - why - ITS JUST PCIE!!! So yes - if they have a bloody miniPCIe you can.
And who cares what is for 'most people' - it still isnt 'one of the best out there' ffs. Its not even one of the best in the consumer segment. It is one of the best on an end of life bus that nobody will release new performance drives for, sure.
@mycosys: My i7 desktop uses wired connections. ITX and NUC boxes have wifi in built already, but some don't have m.2. Why do I want NVMe SSDs on every PC and laptop?
This is the whole point. Not everyone has the same PCs, laptops like you. More importantly, what's the point having NVMe SSDs in all those devices? Most of the people are using PCs / laptops less and less at home and the devices they use have even inferior storage solution.
What does ANY of this babbl,e have to do with whtrher it is or is not 'one of the best SSDs out there'. Clearly we both agree it is not, so why can this conversation not end?
8 montrhs old, and the enterprise and pcie sections are 'update pending' and it doesnt even mention NVMe
nice choice for demonstrating the sort of crap sources you are trusting
@mycosys: Are you able to stop using NVMe, PCIe or whatever alternative standard or bring up an enterprise equipment?
SATA3, OP's statement is reasonable.
@mycosys: Install guru, you do know people use ITX because it is compact right? The converter you pointed out will defeat the whole point of using ITX in the first place. I am using the smallest ITX case and unless the ITX board has m.2, the case simply won't fit.
Also, a NVMe SSD with a feeBay converter… not so sure about that one.
@mycosys: There are reviews which point out certain TLC SSDs do take advantage of caching (so don't look at the benchmark results as is). They did that to some of the newer drives, but not to certain TLC SSDs (which ended up getting bling bling reviews).
We don't use PCs to run benchmark tests 24x7. You know how benchmark tests work. Also, a manufacturer can design SSDs in certain ways to run better in benchmark software. That's why there are review sites with their own custom benchmark setup. Also, a drive which performs really well in super heavy load may perform quite average in light load. No SSD tops every benchmark software.
The review sites cannot test everything. A few SSDs actually have serious read issues with old files. Users found those issues, not review sites.
All the review sites you mentioned gave positive reviews to this drive. They also used the term "best" a few times. Are you now going to say they are wrong and those review sites are not worth reading?
@netsurfer:
then use a pcie riser cable
And just how hard to you think it is to etch wires in a board and wire on a connector? thats ALL they are - a simple plug converter, like a HDMI to DVI adaptor, but less complex
@mycosys: Are those review sites you mentioned wrong? They used the word "best" to describe this SSD.
Are you seriousy so thick that you dont know the difference between benchmarking and lifetime testing? Not even the most thorough testing of thousands of drives can iron out all bugs, how could one sample? Did you notice the date on the review? Did you even bother to look at the test methods specifically designed to overcome every issue you have mentioned apart from testing them to death? Do you expect drive magazine to start doing crash tests and waiting to the end of the warranty period before they publish a review on a new product?
or are you just eing deliberately obtuse because you dont have a point?
@mycosys:
When those sites reviewed this particular SSDs, there were enterprise SSDs. They did not hesitate to use the word best. We, general public, know the context those review sites are referring to. One of your highly rated review sites is recommending this SSD (as one of the best in 2016). Interesting, they did not use the word "cheap" to describe the drive.
It is all about the context. We know those review sites and the OP are referring to SATA SSDs. You are trying to use a loophole in the OP's statement to bring up NVMe, which nobody, other than you is interested in bringing it up repeatedly for this particular deal.
Just be more open minded and don't assume most people don't know anything.
Most of the review sites, when recommending SSDs, don't mix NVMe with SATA3 (because that is simply an unfair comparison) and they know most of the readers only need SATA drives. For their tech savy readers, they know which sections to read. Same is applicable here.
People buying new PCs with the new interface to support NVMe drives know NVMe drives. The issue I had with my NVMe drive is that the PC I bought have m2 and yet the first thing I need to do is a BIOS upgrade for it to even detect the m2 drive properly and then there is this full recovery BIOS upgrade needed to get the full speed. There is also another PC with m2 which has crippled PCIe speed and honestly, buying anything NVMe for that PC is a waste. The one needing BIOS upgrade is a Skylake based PC so don't tell me that's too old. Some of the older PCs will struggle to boot from PCIe based SSD (since there is no more BIOS update for them). Same goes for miniPCIe. Some of the miniPCIe ports are simply for wifi cards only. A lot of ITX boards don't even have miniPCIe (and don't go on and mention those ones are bad because not every PC needs to be fastest - why do I want a NVMe SSD for a PC that's for general media consumption only?). You go and recommend NVMe SSDs for 5-6 years old PCs and your friends won't be too happy when the PCs won't boot from that NVMe SSD on PCIe.
@mycosys: The review sites you mentioned put a lot of emphasis on value for money when considering the best SSD for consumers. They often tell people:
Droidyy tried to tell you the same thing. Review sites agree with OP and most people agree with OP.
@mycosys: From work, I have experienced 4 enterprise SSDs failed. One of the major banks bought some devices from a world famous company because:
One of the departments in the bank bought 3 of the generation 1 devices years ago, all 3 failed within 5 years (first one failed within 2 years). Gen 1 devices have SLC enterprise SSDs inside. The bank actually bought all available stock in Australia when this company stopped producing gen 1 devices (which turned out to be a good decision for the bank).
The department migrated to gen 2 devices (MLC enterprise SSDs) about 3 years ago. Out of the 3 devices, 1 has recently died. These are USA military grade machines, not your average business servers. I am 100% positive that this vendor quoted stellar reliability figures for these devices.
I also have personal experience with consumer grade SSDs failed as well. Also, my current work PC has 2 enterprise SSDs (one m2 NVMe, one SATA3). From experience:
Review sites are recommending general public to buy SSD sensibly. Also, review sites review these SSDs generally for days, maybe weeks, but not years. These review sites (generally good) do remind people that they cannot tell you the reliability of the SSDs as they tend to review newly released SSDs.
@mycosys: About technical specs of enterprise SSDs and why they don't matter to normal consumers.
SSD Maker: Our enterprise SSDs have 10 times more TBW than our consumer SSDs.
Consumer: So, does that mean you will offer 50 years warranty for all your enterprise SSDs (coz. 850 Pro has 5 years so 10 times of that is 50 years).
SSD Maker: Um, no, still 5 years.
Consumer: I don't get it.
SSD Maker: You can have 10 times your normal usage per year.
Consumer: Very funny, so instead of copying a file once, copy each file 10 times and delete 9 of the copies.
SSD Maker: Our enterprise SSDs are 6 times faster than our consumer SSDs under heavy load.
Consumer: How about for my general usage. How much faster is it really?
SSD Maker: Probably about 5%. Maybe less.
People in IT should offer their technical expertise based on the target audience, rather than product specs alone. General public can easily look past technical specs and reach a more sensible conclusion.
all of which is utterly irrelevant to the statement 'one iof the bvest ssds areound. And you are deliberately avoiding the fact hat these drives spernt their entire lives writing, and that the M in MTBW means MEAN - AVERAGE - it is not an SLA. And of course they fail - ALLL systems fail - thats why systems like NonStop exist - and why banks should be using these MAINFRAME syytems for data transactions systems, and why 75% of banks were using NonStop by 2000. Anyone telling banks to use commodity suystems shoudl resign.
You are utterly right it is horses for courses. Which is why i reguarly recommend the samsung 850s, but i dont pretrend they are the best. Only a moron would argue that point.
but the 2 deals ssd below has a better bang for buck?
lmao no it doesnt, its slow as hell
is this a local stock with au warranty? if yes, this is a good deal.!!!!!!!!!!
or grey import which provide the warranty by the seller ?
If this is grey import, I would buy from amazon.
Code expires at midnight tonight, so be quick!
OP, the code expires tomorrow, not tonight. 😉
Just replace "code" with "stock" :D
Thanks! Updated post :)
No way must resist
Won't buy from them again. Ordered a Synology NAS, they forgot to fulfill the order, price dropped while I was waiting, chased up order after excessive time and they discovered they made a mistake, then they fulfilled it at the original price, finally refused to credit the difference for their mistake.
Them admitting they made a mistake but not allowing a cancellation or no match of price difference is not professional in any sense I don't see why you are trying to defend them :-P
Not allowing cancellation I didn't see mentioned in the story, only not allowing a refund of the difference. If he was entitled to a refund for them failing to deliver I don't know, but it isn't apparent they asked for one.
I'm trying to defend them I guess to point out the difference between what might be common practice and what's actually required of the store under law. Just because one store might refund the difference doesn't mean everyone has to. (I am not a lawyer though of course)
EDIT: though yeah, this isn't a question of law and it was a bad experience. My bad, I take back what I said.
@Alzori Not sure what is hard to understand about them making extra profit from their mistake at customers expense.
Gone.
Wow, >2hours to sellout.
Is that what you call a flash in the pan?
I thought I missed it at around 12:10. Just placed order at 12:21am Sydney time.
Yay!
Picked up a 750 EVO 500gb SSD along with other bits and pieces from china. Benchmarks show it very very close in performance in all benchmarks to the 850 EVO.
EDIT: Thought I was commenting on the post for the CODE15 dealio… this is for a specific product. Comment still stands tho :D
Perfect timing!