From Australian Conservation Foundation website.
We'll mail you these beautiful stickers
Let everyone know how proud you are to be part of this campaign! We’ve stopped more than 25 banks. We’ve stopped the $billion loan. Next we’ll stop the mine and we’ll stop coal.
Great, this post should be moved to the forums
I would have missed this deal in forums
@rob359: if you're not visiting the forums then you're not Ozbargaining to the best of your ability.
Valid argument..no from me too.
Agree'd. I can only assume the admin's are all at a Christmas work function or something, because this garbage belongs in the forums.
Great!!! I agree with OP. Adani in particular and mining in general are bad for the climate
Yes, mining is bad. Now go back to living in the Stone Age where the footprint of the human civilization on planet earth was miniscule and no mining took place. I'm afraid all other ages had some sort of mining
Would have preferred for the country to have real technical skills than just dig dirt and sell it
And lick the feet of the Chinese to buy the dirt. And then the Chinese get to kick turnvull on his ass
You dont think mining involves technical skills? How much do you think mining engineers make?
Mate, truck drivers in open cast mines in WA make more than university professors at Monash uni. Doesn't make the truckies more skilled than the professors
@rambokid: Probably makes them a lot smarter though (not saying much these days). And yes, it makes them WAY more skilled at driving trucks than most professors.
Why do you think Australia is such a fortunate country? We don't manufacture anything. We're far away from everyone. We have a tiny population. What is it that has enabled us to become a tier 1 society? Our massive national trade export revenue relative to our population.
National trade export revenue (top 10):
We simply wouldn't be a 1st world nation without our resources exports.
So you're saying we could just leave this dirt in the ground. Dirt which people need to progress into modern societies, and we can profit from this for the better of our nation. People NEED the dirt. Whether it comes from us or someone else they will still get it. We may as well profit from the demand.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart…
I'm OK with mining, as it can be done environmentally sustainably, and a significant portion of the profits can go to benefiting the citizens of the country being mined.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of mining companies and projects where that doesn't happen - where the citizens get little or nothing or even have to pay handouts from their taxes (while billions go to obscenely rich people overseas) and where massive environmental damage is done, costing far more to the world in the long term than all the profits made by everyone.
This Adani project is a perfect example of incompetent, corrupt, greedy mining.
@Viper8:
Your right about mining, without we're just a third world toilet.
But with this mine, there's quite a few issues, so take your pick.
1) The mine is not profitable by itself, it needs subsidies form tax payers. Why should you & I be not only help bank roll this, but also act as loan guarantor for the project? That's corporate welfare, people bang on about welfare cheats, but at least they tend to spend their money in the local economy, so all is not lost. OS companies tend not too, so the profit from this welfare is exported.
2) Australian Tax payers are expected to take upon much of the risk, but the company keeps the profit/rewards.
3) India is winding back imports of coal (not increasing it). China is winding back coal imports.
4) Flooding the market with coal, will further decrease the price (it's already 1/2 of what it was 10 yrs ago), means other coal mines (I'm looking at you Hunter Valley) will be less economical. But it will make the Adani mine less economical, But Adani don't cre as us tax payers are taking on the risk.
5) Lots of environmental reasons. long term damage to argicultural land & aquifers (it's very very difficult to depolute the under ground water table, let alone the exorbitant cost of doing so). There's the Great Barrier Reef (although IMHO it's already screwed).
The vocal crowd want to stop it for environmental reasons. But anyone who digs even a little into the financial side of the proposal can see it's a dud deal for Australia, both tax payers & businesses alike. And the fact they can't even get commercial funding, indicates that it's not even remotely financially viable. It's like investing in the horse & cart industry 100 years ago.
You can support mining without supporting this particular mine.
Would you endorse a foreign corporation with appalling record of environmental damage and corruption, setting up in your neighbourhood, drawing water from the source you depend on, risking the reef that drives your tourism, and requires substantial public investment subsidies?
Add to that the admission it won't bring many jobs (c. 1500) because it is all automated using imported mining equipment, that it will use the subsidies to undercut prices of existing NSW collieries to close adding to that unemployment (likely more than 1500) and it has negatives for climate change.
Even if you love mining, this mine is a poor one on many levels.
If you support this mine, I wonder if there is any level of poor decision making you would reject?
Everything you use in your life is dependent upon mining. Unless you live in a cave? But then how did you post this message? The ignorance is strong with this one…
This lot are little more than political lobbyists. This is not a deal, at best stick it on the forum (but lord knows where)
Political Lobbyists… what next free labor/liberal stickers at election time?
Requires registration so not free…
(profanity) Adani but this doesn't belong here.
Agreed. I have no love for mines but the idea of "free" stickers with a political message can set a precedent for this site.
Ditto — no love for mines, but politically-charged free stickers isn't a bargain.
don't think this is a deal, if political lobbyist are allowed to do this, what stops from labor or liberal to distribute stickers during the next election? I view this equivalent to such a sticker and of the opinion that it's not a deal!
FREE stickers
so if labor or liberal offered free stickers, you'd consider that as a deal too?
For FREE stickers, I sure would! 1000%
what stops from labor or liberal to distribute stickers during the next election?
They already do that so the sky has fallen in already. Not that you noticed!
my bad, are you telling me we are allowing that as a deal in OzB? well then, I don't think those are deals either, but hey, that's my opinion :)
Really? Please point to the deal/s.
So they can post deals on OZB linking to the free stickers.
Okay, next election should be interesting.
I agree - can you imagine what OzBargain will be during the next election with free bumper stickers and badges spamming up the site
too political
FREE Stickers.
Don't support mine, but also don't support this post. Just no.
Doesn't seem very environmentally friendly to waste paper like this.
Since when did OZB become political?
Not a deal.
Needs to be deleted
+1
nek minnit, GetUp, World Wildlife Fund, and others would be allowed to spam ozbargain by offering some cheap throwaway junk - open season!
Whether this is a deal or not, virtually none of the negative voters here meet the voting guidelines for a negative vote.
if such votes are permitted on the threads about caged-eggs, firearms, novelty Hillary toilet papers and others then to remove the negs here would be bias.
If the mining stopped then so would our biggest trade, but this should be in the forums. Not a Bargain.
You can support mining without supporting a poor mine.
Mining employs 1.9% of people (I wrote Australians, but realised there was a big 457 element).
It contributes 7% of GDP (reducing as record prices for iron ore and coal have fallen in recent years).
Mining is predominantly foreign owned, so profits disproportionately are delivered to foreign investors, not locals. Even more so in the Adani case.
The Adani mine is detrimental to Australia and detrimental to other Australian coal mines. Even if you support all existing Australian coal mines, this one will hurt them as it uses government subsidies to drive down the world price of coal.
A succinct summary from Ross Gittins on mining's overall contribution:
http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/minings-…
Great info. Thanks.
Political propaganda, no matter if the cause is just of not, is not a deal. Negging
Ozpolitics ? I don't think so
Adani, Hockey, Abbott, Gillard/Rudd and now even Turnbull - to name a few.
This is Australian politics. They don't give two shits about people. It's all their own selfish agendas.
We are waking up but need to revolt against these selfish, egotistical people.
Cut the text off and you're left with a free globe sticker and some nice fish stickers. I'm not sure if I'll put the text bits into landfill or recycling, but regardless, they'll keep the kids entertained for a few minutes and free is free.
Look out Q&A, OzB is taking over. ;)
Great deal OP. Free sticker!!!
Dont know why all the babies are crying and downvoting over a free sticker! Its a free world people get over it!!
Dont know why all the babies are crying and downvoting over a free sticker! Its a free world people get over it!!
So surely they are free to downvote too? :)
ummm pls no politics
So any other charity that has a sticker can post a deal?
Its against the deal guidelines.
political posts should be banned under posting guideline
Just like gun deals right??
/s ?
The fact that the item has a political message is no justification for a negative vote.
I highly suggest a lot of the negative voters visit the voting guidelines.
No vote: If the deal doesn't apply to you, you don't like the company or you want to leave a warning for people about the business or deal, you can leave a comment and then not vote.
Appropriate uses of negative vote: cheaper price elsewhere, defective product, major issue with retailer (eg. didn't receive previous purchase or shipping time exceeding expected wait - not personal/political conflicts)
I haven't seen any valid negative votes so far.
I think mod should revise their posting guidelines to exclude and ban political posts
Ban all guns posts too. Guns kill people.
Ok but as the current posting guidelines stand, there is no issue with it being here. Also the current voting guidelines provide no reason for you to neg this post.
Perhaps the poster should look at the deal posting guidelines.
ACF is a charity, and charity links are not permitted.
Incorrect. From the guidelines:
Just like free software and freeware, there are many great charities out there. Charity deals where the user receives nothing in return are not a bargain but feel free to post any charities or good causes on the forums.
This isn't the forum.
I think you are wrong. It is a political charity group which creating propaganda messages.. read and research about adani
If that is the case then you should report the post and allow the moderators to deal with it appropriately. That's not what the negative vote is for.
Also on the posting guidelines: 'Just like free software and freeware, there are many great charities out there. Charity deals where the user receives nothing in return are not a bargain but feel free to post any charities or good causes on the forums.'
This seems to be referring to posts involving donations only, not posts where a sticker is given as a freebie.
I've got a major issue with the "retailer". Wasting tax payer money on bs campaigns. Base load power > greenie agenda.
Like I mentioned, it provided examples of major issues with the retailer as 'didn't receive previous purchase' and 'shipping time exceeding expected wait'. This clause is clearly referring to order fulfilment issues, not any personal or political issues you may have with the retailer.
In the voting guidelines currently, it refers to "Deals" (ie if the 'deal' doesn't apply to you etc etc…)
I don't think this is a 'deal' as you can't purchase these stickers from a retailer anywhere which would normally imply a deal (and saving). It's is political spin.
This is a place to exchange bargains not express political opinions - Should be placed in forums if anyone wants to read it there.
Can we talk about Eneloops now?
This is not a deal, Ozbargain should not be used for political messaging
@moderator please remove
Free stickers are freebies.
Thanks.
none of them is related to political opinion.
So what. Ban guns too!!!
None of the above are political messaging
You are allowing this site to be used for propaganda
Shame!!
Just get over it - what a bunch of cry babies…geeze..
cuteduck, Jet_k. etc.
If you feel that stickers with certain messages shouldn't be allowed, please feel free to start a thread in the site discussion forum.
Keep in mind "political messaging" and "opinions" can include blocking stickers for popular deals such as the Free Myki Sticker from The Greens (lobbying the government to spend money on public transport vs. roads) or Animals Australia (animal free Australia). RACV, RACQ and other road organisations while providing road side service also are lobbyists for the road transport projects. Just things to keep in mind as blanket political messaging may end up including a lot of inadvertent consequences if things are specifically included/excluded.
@neil: Neil I agree with all of the above, BUT(big but here) this is a political message targeting an individual, creating animosity, hate & negativity, so I don't see your point in this being a bargain.
I feel this is just to stir up some conversation and "hopefully" get some short-term attention, which is not a good thing to encourage. Example
No.
Simply no.
What if someone post a free stickers promoting violence or ISIS!!
Is it ok?
Think before you say being a moderator.
"What if someone post a free stickers promoting violence or ISIS!!"
Or religion ….
If Moderator has bias opinion , we should allow to vote on his / her comment. To me he doesn't want to see that there is problem with this so called "deal" as it is propaganda , comparing with above deal doesn't justify anything
If he/she can't moderate without bias he should put disclaimer about his/her opinion.
My 2c.
Please consider this as negative vote for moderator & his/her comment.
I haven't given any opinion on the subject matter other than encouraging people to start a thread so the community can decide the guidelines. Guidelines need to be made thoroughly and consistently and not on a pick and choose basis so staff can all action things in a similar manner. This is why I mention the examples.
As before:
If you feel that stickers with certain messages shouldn't be allowed, please feel free to start a thread in the site discussion forum.
Just get this damn mine built already
It's a free world BTW
No it isn't btw.
In the context of supporting the development of a coal mine it is
So you're saying that's it's a free world only for those who have enough money?
If this kinds of deals are allowed then do I have an offer for you.
Eternal salvation.
It might not be a bargain though. “Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.”
If this is ok then
What is next..!!
Anti GAY FREE stickers!!
Or
Anti Christian or Muslim FREE stickers!!
Is it ok?
You forgot free ANTI GUN stickers
ALL GUN POSTS SHOULD BE BANED ON OZBARGIN
JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION 😊
Sure, why not?
Do you have some?
Blueberry is on the right track. You never see this many downvotes for a gun deal (rarely any actually), but it is obvious that a lot of upvotes for those gun deals are because of the implicit political message — i.e. sticking it in the face of progressive, anti-gun, people — not because they actually care about the "deal."
Guess some people on the political spectrum are more sensitive (if downvotes are any indication).
I need to start a freebie for WWJVD stickers.
WWJVD - What Would JV Do.
JV sticker #1
I eat Negs for breakfast
I want these stickers for free.