Tightarses Trying to Beat down Already Cheap Price

Most of us have probably had experience with this. I have had items that I no longer need, so want to get rid of it with the minimal amount of hassle, so put a bargain price on it.

Then I have to deal with people who want to offer half that price again. This has happened to me in the past and is happening again. I bought two Neil Diamond concert tickets for $285 and can no longer attend. I am offering them for $200 and am getting the usual time wasters offering $100, etc. What do you people say to these bargain hunters/time wasters?

Don't worry about replying if you're going to ridicule an entertainer of his standing, or be a tightwad ozbargainer and say the price is too dear.

The concert is 75% sold and still 9 weeks away.

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      • I had a freezer on facebook for $150 and someone said sold straight away but then asked me to deliver it when the add said no delivery.

      • Yeah, I've found fb to be the opposite too. Within a few minutes of posting you get: "What's your lowest price." And that message sits there in full view so everyone reading now thinks: "Oh so the price isn't the price after all. Now I won't show any interest until I know the real price."

        I also had the item listed on Gumtree at the same time, said so any questions they have I've probably already answered in that ad, and gave the URL. Some twit kept asking the most basic questions that were - just like said - all answered in the gumtree ad. So I'd say: "The answer is xyz, but note that all the answers to your questions can be found in the gumtree ad."

        After saying this 3 times, he snapped back "Why do you keep directing me to Gumtree!? Are you trying to pull some kind of scam?" Pfft… Moron. What kind of scam can it be to just click and look at a webpage! He asked more - about 7 questions all up - and every one of them was answered in the Gumtree ad. He did eventually buy it. But when he whined for me to wait 3 days, whined when he turned up about the distance he had to drive, whined about the price, whined to the store (the item was a brand new ipad and I asked them to hold it so he'd the full warranty), asked them could it be upgraded to something else (no it couldn't because it was already part of my Optus contract - actually if he hadn't been such a fool I probably would have worked something out with him - found out the difference over the 24 months and he pays me and I pay them - but not after the way he'd behaved).

        Oh and he told me he found one cheaper, had bought that one too because he resells them, so I was lucky he was so honest or he wouldn't have turned up. I said if you don't want it that's fine - right after I said I'd hold it for 3 days, I had two other offers $20 higher. (Both from Gumtee - neither asking for a discount like he did and got, against my usual policy.)

  • +4

    I think half the stuff i see on my local facebook buy, swap & sell site is stolen

  • +5

    I have done Lots of buy and sale on Gumtree and below is the worst. Ninety percent were good but….

    It was a Samsung monitor, and I had full description on it. The person asked many questions before he came, include picture quality. It was a perfectly good one and I advertised only for $20. Just trying to declutter.

    The person turned up in office wear, didn’t look like a hardcore poor. Asked me to plug it to power, I did. Then turned it upside down, examined, and wanted to hook on internet and PC. By that stage more than 20 minutes had passed so I was furious. Asked him to take it and leave immediately. FOC.

    Hubby said I should have advertised for $200.

    • +2

      OTOH, you should list things with the expectation that at least a basic exposition of the functionality will be performed. 20 minutes for a monitor is annoyingly long, but still, some dodgy people sell shitty stuff that malfunctions after a minute or two, you know?

      • Yea, i don't get the internet part, but the hdmi cable/vga/ ports sounds valid

    • Had to google the FOC abbreviation. I thought O standard for ‘off’ and I’ll let you guess what F and C stood for.

    • +25

      it's knowing that a person of limited intellect is trying to engage me in their rigmarole and then the time wasting charade

      Not sure what gives you the moral high ground to call them idiots. They could equally call you a person of limited intellect asking too much for what they have.

      It's all relative. Just because you have a different valuation of something doesn't make them an idiot or you a genius. You're willing to pay $280 to see Neil Diamond, someone might only be willing to pay $100. You asked for offers, you got offers.

    • Now tell the truth how you scanned the tickets and barcode only to attend the venue first and block her tickets.

    • +1

      Did you actually receive the cash, or a screenshot of bank transfer..?!
      https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/354698

    • +4

      Grow up.

      I regularly give low offers for items I'd quite like but don't want enough to pay the asking price for (regardless of whether it's reasonable or not). On numerous occasions those low offers have been accepted…

      Likewise, when I sell I get tonnes of low offers. A simple "no thanks" or "that's too low, my minimum is $X" takes seconds…

      • I think he's more referring to fake bids like hey I'll give you 5 bucks

        • That would be more understandable but the example they specifically gave was for $100.

    • +8

      You aren't as intelligent as you think you are.

    • +6

      I'd say not knowing how to simply ignore low-ballers without getting so worked up is a sign of limited intellect.

    • +2

      it's knowing that a person of limited intellect is trying to engage me

      Yeah, how dare they talk to you, the enlightened one? LOL

      You sound like one of those stuck-up assholes who lists things for 96.5% of retail / RRP & wonder why offers are so low…

  • +3

    It's part of the game.

    There's plenty of reasons someone will low ball. Yes they may be taking the piss but as someone mentioned above it could be all they're willing to pay.

    Sometimes there'll be an event or show that I'll go see if it's $60 but would never pay $100 for, let alone RRP. So if someone's selling I'll try my luck. $60 is my cap. I'll go for that price and be happy but I'm not interested if it's 70.

    Sometimes ppl are just starting the bargain process. Someone might list at $200 and be prepared to accept $190. Buyer comes and says $100. You say no way, but i can do $190. Buyer comes back says OK OK how about $170. Now you accept that offer cos you know it's a sale if you agree and it's so much better than the $100 starting point.

    ..and especially on gumtree you're gonna get ppl looking for the cheapest possible. And ppl trying their luck for freebies, crazy prices. Just like there's lots of dumb buyers, there's lots of dumb sellers that will under value their product. Everyone's trying to take advantage of each other.

    On OzBargain we're much more "objective value" conscious when we buy and sell. We tend to have a similar understanding of the value of things and so the experience here is much more straight forward

  • +3

    Try selling an older model shoddy commodore, with detailed description on its fault. That really brings them out of the woodwork!

  • +2

    I message them afterward telling them I sold it for my asking price.

    I've found when I put PRICE NOT NEGOTIABLE on my ad description then I don't get any time wasters.

    • just do this! Its not hard people.

  • +9

    This is a very common practice especially on gumtree. The buyer is always going to want to negotiate a better price even if it's already cheap. My strategy is to always double my asking price for every ad in anticipation of the buyer offer. The buyer is happy because they think they bought it for a bargain and I got my asking price so it's a win-win for everyone.

    • And I think most people (except for OP) understand that this is what is happening a lot of the time.

      • +2

        And this perpetuates the problem. So everyone thinks they have to increase the price, and everyone else thinks they have to bargain you down. Just put five minutes research in on ebay expired auctions, minus the fees you would have had to pay them, and list it at the right price - saying not negotiable. Better to deal with only 5 people asking questions, than 20 all asking for a discount, sending multiple SMS's, only to have them all disappear.

        • someone with a brain! omg.

        • I did exactly this on an iPhone, I even discounted my eBay validation an extra $50. Got roughly 40 offers and only of those was for more than 75% of my asking price.

  • +8

    Tell them you've unfortunately already sold them for less than what they offered.

  • +1

    I normally put the price up a tiny bit more than what I really want. Then when they ask for the discount - I sell it at the original price I wanted to sell it for in the first place.

    Buyer ends up feeling special because they got a discount, I got my price. Win win.

  • I just keep increasing the price or agree, but ask them to throw in some obscure, expensive item as part of the deal.

  • +4

    I once had an item on for a super cheap price. Some tire kicker comes round and offers 50% off the price, by simply messaging me the price: $50. No text, no 'would you accept…?'

    I send him a straight thumbs down emoji, and he gets all worked up about how rude I was! Some people are so self righteous!

    • +4

      To annoy him, I kept sending him thumbs down emojis for every reply he sent.

      • Should alternate between thumbs down and sad face

        • +10

          and an eggplant just to confuse him.

    • -6

      I know it is unethical to do this. But I am now actually thinking of doing it to teach these people. For low ball offers, simply ask them to collect the item from a far place and dont show up. hahah! Usually they would come back and say OH you are too far and ignore you.

  • +6

    Why not low ball? The amount of times ive asked for half price, paid in cash and pickup-with the seller accepting the offer-has saved me so much money.

    Literally no reason not to try "lowballing"- you never know when the seller will say yes.

    • Agree. There are plenty of sellers out there trying to "highball".

  • +2

    I usually just say at the bottom in my ad.

    Firm and NO Offers, already a great bargain. Thank you.

  • +2

    HOW I SELL:
    1. Check Ozbargain (& historical prices), Ebay, Gumtree, Facebook Marketplace, etc for average prices
    2. Determine how easy the transaction will be (delivery? easy to pay cash? needs to be inspected/tested? is it a common item or rare?)
    3. If you know you’re pricing something fairly (especially to get rid of it quickly), just reply only to the people who you want to deal with (i.e. ignore lowballs, ignore special considerations, etc).
    4. Pricing something a little higher (~10%-20% more) can help allow the buyer feel a greater sense of accomplishment when they successfully negotiate the fairer price.
    5. Overall, ignore rude, rough, cheap, ignorant people. You don’t need harassment.
    6. Can write a sentence at the end of the ad, explaining your price point (even including comparisons… e.g. price not negotiable as other bikes on sale do not have X feature.. or due to X, this reflects the increased price)

    HOW I BUY:
    1. Check Ozbargain (& historical prices), Ebay, Gumtree, Facebook Marketplace, etc for average prices
    2. Determine the price you are willing to pay for the item? and if any of those items are higher, ask for that discount, but don’t expect replies if you lowball. They probably receive so many offers like yours, they don't need to reply to you.
    3. Thank the seller for their time and leave if not making the deal.

  • -7

    Indians

    • +1

      Generalization but there's a hint of truth to it.

      • +1

        Ethnic jokes might be uncouth
        But you laugh because they're based on truth
        Don't take them as personal attacks
        Everyone enjoys them, so relax

        • I don't get the joke. I do nearly the same as above and I'm one of those DREADED WHITE MALES (according to that other certain group of losers and their soy boy supporters who everyone knows only act so, because they want into their burlap panties).

        • @Jake Elwood: White guy operating a black puppet singing about racism. LOL. Obviously that clip must be old because it wouldn't be tolerated today by the weak-minded without lots of REEEEEEEE screeching. Especially over in the USA.

      • meh Im comfortable with stereotypes, its how you use/apply it that's the problem…

  • +5

    When ever I sell something like you are, Selling at a decent price, that it wont take long to. I put on my ad, firm price will not accept other offers, do not offer any other price, and when I do get low balled. I just reply simply, please call 1300 655 506.

    Never had them contact me again.

    • +1

      I had to google that one, added to my list of replies to gumtree offers next time.

    • I remembered the jingle before your link opened :P

  • I've sold tons on gumtree. Almost every sales I've made has been to someone who hasn't even negotiated the price. Those with dodgy offers generally don't buy anything. You learn how to filter them out and not even waste time with 'inspections'. It also depends on where you live. Some scummy areas can't be helped.

    Being offered $100 for an $800 posted TV is pretty common.

  • +5

    I just reply with cat pictures

  • +1

    I hate it when the lowballers say that they will pay in Cash like that's going to tempt me to sell it to them for a ridiculous price!

    • +3

      I pay cash I come tonight

      • +3

        "Cash? For an item listed on fb/gumtree that you'll be picking up in person!? Gee, I was hoping we could work out a barter involving farm livestock."

        • Or gold bars..

  • Happens all the time. You list a fair price and the buyer makes a ridiculous offer for the sake of getting more out of it.

    Here's my experience.

    • I love that the OP of that thread tries to make it sound like the item is only worth $300 but in actual fact the value is $400 and $300 is already a bargain. People love to skew things so they look better.

  • +2

    Yeah lowballers suck, especially the sob story ones. I also dislike sellers who set their price near brand for a used item then are unwilling to negotiate, even when they stated 'negotiable' on the ad.

  • +3

    I can only admire your bravery in coming out as a Neil Diamond fan. Takes guts.

  • +1

    Two or three weeks ago I was selling an item cheap that I've advertised as not working and I don't know why. I haven't tried to get it repaired as I don't need it and the amount of people I've had message me asking why it isn't working is ridiculous.

    But my personal favourite was a guy who offered me my asking price (which was cheap because it would obviously need repairs or be used for parts.) LESS any repairs it needed which could have ranged from $80 - $500.

    The price of the item in working condition is around $1000 and I was only asking for $400. So basically he wanted me to foot the bill of repairs and he'd get a working item for under $400. I basically told him there was no way that would be happening and he seemed to think it was unreasonable and told me that no one would buy it for $400 so good luck with that.

    In the end a guy bought it off me for $400 and he spent $200 to fix it. So he was happy and so was I.

    • Sounds like the OP made you an offer :P

  • +1

    Get it all the time. I put up a smart watch for $200. Already 50+% off the RRP and less than a couple months old. Guy offered me $50. I was So tempted to say yes and then organise a meet up place and not turn up

  • It's normal especially with gumtree, just deal with it.

    Usually I send a polite msg telling them up the offer or they are wasting their time. The ones who agree on a price I always tell them to show up with the exact change or no dice.

    • +1

      ;-) "Sorry, but my neighbour heard about the item after I promised it to you. And he's already offered $20 more if it doesn't sell today." That usually fixes that problem. They usually ask where's the nearest ATM, return to their car, where their partner and four kids from as many different fathers miraculously finds another note in the glovebox. And I stay put in the house/yard so it saves them going through their pre-planned scam in an attempt to earn an Oscar.

      • i once went to purchase something off a gumtree seller many years ago, negotiated and agreed on a price through sms. when i met up, he fed me some sob story nonsense about how his kid was in hospital and could he please get it for the original price ($20 more). i just looked at him like wtf mate, we already agreed on a price, either take my money or im leaving, so then he said ok

        ill also mention i saw him get out of a brand new 4wd before we met, which is why i stuck to my price. sad that he would use his kids like that.

        • I'm reading all these comments of the lies some of the sociopaths say just to save $20 or another small amount of money. And I wonder if that's how they think they "win" in life, chipping piece by little piece from all the people they meet.

          I want to know why they do that. I have no doubt there are sociopaths on this website, but I doubt they'd answer.

  • +1

    Simple, just don’t reply to the silly offers, save ur breath and energy for bigger things

  • Yep it seems to be a thing here, then they can get rude or nasty when you don't accept their rediculous offer.

    I also get it the other way for items 'open to offers'…. I'll offer something perfectly reasonable like 10-15% less and they only want to sell at the full price. I've even had people asking for more after making an offer.

    Just time wasters in my opinion.

  • +1

    I've had luck with the phrase 'price firm'. So I would list my item, quote a decent price that I think will sell, and write clearly the "price is firm only contact me if you're ok with the price" and if I get lowballs I just reply "price firm" like a robot - takes alot of the stress away.

  • To those people I'd say "For you, special price! $300 :)"

  • I find that your advertisements need to take this last step bargaining into account. There are too many tightasses who do this, and it's never really about selling something for the price flat anymore.

  • Personally, I research price of similar/same item, look at cheapest price anyone else selling for, then i got to that price point (or usually I go a bit cheaper).
    Then I try to make sure I put every possible detail people might need, then state clearly "PRICE IS FIRM" "please do not make any offers as offers will be ignored" .
    Then if I receive a message asking for details of anything people want to know that is not already in the listing, I immediately add that detail, so nobody else asks the same question.
    I strongly suggest not giving your personal number out. Its best to use these free or very cheap mobile deals you can find on ozbargain. Eg. Optus $30 starter sim is often $5 and should be able to activate this for 6 months (probably enough of just using to reply to a few texts when trying to sell items) .
    I also write in listing TEX OR EMAIL ONLY, this saves having to talk to the time wasters and scammers. You can now just completely ignore them if you want :)

  • Got to love scumtree.

  • +2

    If someone agrees to $100 and rocks up to your house saying 'oops, I only have $50, is that okay?', stand your ground. Do no take it. Ever. You are not being unreasonable, they are. They knew the price, agreed to it, and are now trying to beat you down with a ridiculous sob story. If you fall for it you can bet the guy and his mates will be having a beer down at the pub later on that day laughing at you, the sucker, for taking less than agreed.

    Stand your ground. Be prepared to tell tightwads to f&*k off.

  • I can understand that you are frustrated when you offer what you consider to be a very reasonable price only to have people try to squeeze the price more.

    I used to work with a guy who had a saying, he'd always ask for discounts and deals and would say "it's free to ask". I was surprised at how often he got discounts on everything from parking to coffee and have adopted this approach myself.

    Hey…it's free to ask :)

    • do you really want to go through life being known as that tight ass scab who cant afford to pay for anything properly

  • -2

    Harden up you snowflake. There is nothing wrong with lowballing, heck a lot of bargains can be had this way.
    TLDR Get over it.

  • Don't even reply to low ballers. If they are interested they would reoffer a higher price.
    I have had a girl offer me $2 total for 100 items of clothing and required me to deliver to city. This is taking into consideration the fact that I rely on public transport to get places too

  • +2

    Depends exactly what you mean by lowballing. When does looking for a bargain become lowballing? When does lowballing become offensive?

    I think one of the problems sellers have is either an emotional attachment to the item and/or a failure to grasp some basics of consumer economics.

    On the one hand, the fact that the seller bought something for $500 (say) is completely irrelevant to the amount they may be able to sell it for. The seller might think a 30% discount is reasonable, but that view won't necessarily be shared by buyers.

    On the other hand, sellers need to understand there is a fairly steep discount applied to buying something through Gumtree (or whatever) vs. purchasing through a retail outlet. I recently had an instance where someone was selling stuff that was "brand new" (no reason to doubt this by the way) with an RRP of ~$350 for about ~$290. I offered $200 on the basis that the Boxing Day sales had basically got the retail price to ~$290 anyway and that I'd rather deal with an established retailer (all else being equal) should there be any issues with the product. The seller was only prepared to go to about $260. For what was basically a 10% discount vs. David Jones, I chose to go with DJs as the discount simply wasn't large enough to cover my perception of the risk in the transaction.

    • +1

      Ozbargain has definitely made me a low baller in the eyes of the common seller. Since I know how low of a price I can expect to buy something from at a retail store/online, I will always compare second hand goods to the price I would pay for it new. Never mind they paid $2000 for this laptop, if I could buy the same laptop new for $1200 then a reasonable second hand price (I consider 50% off purchase reasonable) for me would be $600, and I wouldn't ever consider it at $1000(even though that's 50% what the guy bought it for)

  • +2

    I know the story! The other day I sold an all in one DVD and set top box. Advertised for $25, lady offered $15. I said let’s do $20 as it’s in excellent conditions and it’s not just the set top but also DVD. Husband comes to collect and for those mere $20 wanted lots of things explained etccx. Then he asks if I wanted to lower price. I nearly threw him out

  • Just say 'no lowballers', 'lowballers will be blocked/ignored' or even 'not negotiable'. I usually get less lowballers this way.

    • The principle is good, but SMS is free for most people. And because everyone says it they'll ask anyway. So I say it in sentence form leaving no doubt I mean exactly what I typed:

      "I've researched prices, so I know this is a bargain and will sell at this price. If you waste time trying to get a $5 discount you'll probably miss out by waiting for a reply that will never come."

      Oh and the newest note you have to add is: "YES - if this listing is still up, it's still available."

      • Hmm that'd work if your price is one of the lowest in the market for a popular item I suppose

        And that's very true. The number people asking "Is this still available?" without saying anything else is too damn high! Even when you reply they don't usually reply back..

  • Mate, I would happily buy these off you for $100ea. I am in Tsv. Contact me if they are still available.

  • +1

    i like messing with the gumtree low ballers

    q: would you consider $X?
    a: would not consider!

    q: would you accept $X (half my asking price)
    a: would you accept half the phone?

    q: i can offer $X and pickup tonight asap
    a: nope

    you also get the ones that keep messaging back and forth and then one day just stop. i also had one guy ask why i wanted to meet in a public place (in front of local police station) and not my house. it seemed to upset him. i wonder why.

    • Smart move on the public place thing, even if you do decide to let them pickup from your house, it weeds out those dodgy people.

      The ones messaging back and forth are probably people who were messaging multiple seller a about the same or similar item and bought it from another seller. I'm guilty of not closing all my threads all the time.

  • "what is the very lowest you'd be willing to accept?"

    • Dumbest question ever, and if the seller replies truthfully , the seller is even dumber.

      I ain't negotiating with myself (as a seller). Nor am I gonna negotiate for you.

      • I get this for basically every inquiry on Gumtree.

        • If they lead with this question, I ignore them. Some messages just don't even merit a response.

  • Should've advertised at full price 285 and someone would've offered the price you wanted

  • i'm guessing the op advertised these tickets on scumtree? opps i mean gumtree

    remember they are neil diamond tickets lol

    tell you what give me $200 and i'll take the neil diamond tickets

  • Annoying yes. I usually post the price 20-30% more to factor in people offering a lower price as their first bid. But I don't even respond to the timewasters who offer a bid which is just stupid. Infact I lie, sometimes I reply for my own entertainment "Why don't you come take it for free? :)"

  • The hassle of actually receiving tickets I didn't purchase myself, organising delivery and the risk involved in this is more than $85 imo, can't blame them for wanting it for less.

  • I received a $75 Flight Centre voucher as a gift and a month before its expiry, realised I wasn't going to use it. Listed it on Gumtree for $60, then lowered it to $50 once I realised everyone was making low-ball offers of $20 or $30 and I began to doubt whether I'd get my asking price. Was hesitant to mail interstate or send the voucher number via email etc as I didn't trust people on Gumtree.

    Popped it up on the OzB classifieds and traded someone my $75 voucher for $60 worth of Event Cinemas gift cards and $15 cash via Paypal. They emailed me the movie voucher numbers and I emailed them the number on the back of my FC gift card. Went smoothly.

    Moral of the story: Trust OzBargainers.

    • Sadly, not all of them.

      There is the Spotify guy trying to charge more for a Filipino account that an AU account, and I sort of remember another forum post about a classified post gone awry.

      • +1

        Yes! Certainly not all :(

        Although I was pleasantly surprised that the first person that made me an offer on here was quite fair, as opposed to the half a dozen people that offered me a fraction of the voucher price on Gumtree.

  • interesting mindset from some of the users of this forum. in their opinion, looking like a cheapskate and wasting the sellers time by offering ridiculous prices is completely normal. im assuming these users are the wierdos of the world. and that this post will get negged, mainly by them.

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