Differing cultural norms - worldly insights

The recent baby formula discussion got me thinking about cultural differences.
One fascinating cultural difference I learned this year thanks to Tim Ferris and Derek Sivers is about addresses in Japan. In the Western world, the streets are named and houses are numbered in sequential order. In Japan, the blocks are named and the houses are numbered in the order they were built. For the Japanese, the streets are empty spaces and the blocks contain all the importance (i.e. the people in buildings).
I think this is a brilliant perspective which I've never given 2 seconds of thought to previously.
Started this topic in case others have discovered other fascinating differences and wanted to share or ask questions about.

Happy 2019 Everyone and thank you for the contributions. As a tldr, some I really liked;
dust super quick to comment and pointed out that in Asia, people say their family name first.
thevofa fired up the discussion around cruelty to animals in different countries.
Shadowsfury don't start eating before the elder at the table or drink whilst looking at the elder in Korean culture.
sqleonhart "no shoes inside" policy for many Asian households.
MissG gave insights to spraying yourself after going to the toilet rather than wiping with toilet paper.
chumlee shout out to our Kiwi friends and their delightful accent when prouncing sex - I believe they think it means six.
Wiede in the Middle East, you tear bread with your hands, not cut it using knives.
DiscoJango plenty of great examples, particularly around Japan.
Tripnfelt interesting fact on filler words (i.e. um, ah, you know).
p1 ama USA imperial system vs the rest of the world.
munecito Venezuela's street names!
zeoko German toilets. Possibly more funky than squat toilets.

Comments

  • +4

    In most Asian cultures (Chinese, Indian etc), teenagers dont leave the house at 18. Most stay with their parents indefinitely or move out much later in life. Instead of moving their parents to a retirement home, the kids usually ask the parents to live with them later in life.

    • O lol watch me dad kick me out of the house as soon as I'm 18

    • I'm not aware of any culture where kids regularly move out at 18?

  • +4

    all males bulgarian surnames end with ov, and females ova

    all icelandic surnames end with "son" for male and "dottir" for women.

    • +1

      For Bulgarians it's actually just ov/ev and ova/eva, I'm Bulgarian and my surname ends with "ev".

      Another Bulgarian thing is shaking your head = yes, and nodding = no.

      • cool had it slightly wrong, sort of seams redundant. yes i have flwn into sofia AND tirana airports a few times, and the head shaking is confusing.

  • Russians generally never do or avoid doing the following:
    whistling in the house
    shaking hands over a threshold

    • add torture innocent civilians to that list!

  • -1

    What I learned is that in Australia, most of the bogans live in Queensland. Queen Victoria must be having conniptions in her grave.

    • Good on them for having the best weather

      • -1

        I don't like tropical-ish weather. reminds me of third world countries. prefer cooler, euro-like climate.

        • I grew up in Iceland and couldn’t think of anything more horrid to live in, day light swings r shocking , sun makes you happy

  • +1

    I also found Americans to be the most chatty people on earth.

  • +1

    In US most streets are numbered like 1st st, 2nd st, etc. also 1st N and 1st S or E/W. I think that is efficient.

  • In Brazil it's common:

    To say "excuse me" when entering someone's house, it shows respect.
    On a Family meal to wait until everyone finishes to leave the table
    To live with parents until getting married (up to 30s)
    To shake hands of friends and work colleagues on a daily basis. Friends often hug too.
    To have sex inside the car.
    To have massive lunch meals, much bigger than the average Australian sandwich or snack.

    • In Australia, it's normal to have sex outside the Star Casino in Pyrmont.

  • +2

    In Vietnam, do not refuse drinks when you got offered, they will find that offensive and might kill you.

    Also, do not make eyes contact with people from other tables while drinking, they will find that offensive and will kill you.

    • +3

      That escalated quickly =|

    • Can confirm this as a Vietnamese.

    • -1

      they will find that offensive and might kill you

      What? You joking right :-) Won't there be quite a few ignorant foreigners' death by now? Have never heard this in the news!

    • Same in China , turn down a drink makes them lose face…I hate this toxic culture

      • All you need to do is come up with a lame excuse for not accepting.

        They do not need to believe it, just pretending to believe it will save face.

        Also, as a foreigner, you can get away with a lot. Just don't ever criticise anything about China - even if they do it first, you must not agree.

  • +1

    In Indian & pakistani culture, an owl is considered a fool. Whereas in western culture an owl is considered wise.
    So when you call someone a fool in hindi or urdu then it's "Ullu" which is the word for owl.

  • In India, there’s a caste system, where the family you’re born in determines how high up in society you are. You have to marry someone within your own level, otherwise you will be shunned. I travelled around Rajasthan early last year, I’d say the social implications were most evident in Jodhpur; so much politics there.

    In Varanasi, I’m pretty sure higher caste people are cremated before being dumped into the Ganges while lower caste people are thrown in whole.

  • In Vietnam, walk a steady pace to cross the road.

  • Not allowed to drink water (yes plain H2O) on Taiwan subways. WTF.

    • Do they have toilets in subways?

  • +2

    Central Europe:
    - Aussies seem to eat with forks facing down constantly - europeans tend to face forks up.
    - Hands above the table to be polite - having one hand on knee is impolite
    - In language, things are gendered. Dogs are males, cats are females, etc.
    - Age classes. Addressing random old person on street as 'auntie' etc.
    - No shoes in house. Slippers for indoors.
    - Greater passive collaboration with each other - extends to things such as driving manners, queuing, pleasantries.

    Japan:
    - Quiet in public. The only time you'll see people acting a fool is drunk salarymen on their way home.
    - Very conservative - lack of tattoos and obnoxious t-shirts, etc
    - Worker bee mentality. Everyone works pretty hard and almost everyone has a job. Things work very well in Japan a a consequence.

    Australia:
    - Socially, not as friendly as it seems. Friendliness is very surface-level and fake. In order to become one with the clique, you must be accepted as 'one of them' to quite a big extent. Hard to explain.
    - Insane levels of "she'll be right". Extends to all facets of life. Sucky roads? Eh whatever. Gov wants to do some ridiculous overarching law? Eh whatever.
    - Massively urbanised. Canberra and state capitals don't care about funding to regions. Everyone foreign thinks due to our distances we at least have dual-carriageway freeways everywhere - lolnope
    - The "she'll be right" chill attitude heavily permeates into the work culture. Everything sucks, but AU has some of the most relaxed work culture around - something which is rapidly changing, actually.

    • +1

      Some of what you say with Australia might be true but very superficial analysis. We actually have a reputation for hard workers who are willing to pitch in to get things done. Our workplaces are not rigidly stratified into who does what; unless you have jobs that actually need a specific skill. I also dispute your take on the friendliness - maybe you have encountered people like that but I've found most people are genuinely friendly and helpful.

      We do tend to be more laid back around our laws, however, given the level of insanity I've seen with some countries when it comes to their "individual freedoms" I say, more power to us in relation to things like seat belt laws, helmet laws, etc. Most of our laws actually make sense, as opposed to the ones based on strict religious guidelines etc.

      • +4

        Japanese are probably the worst for being fake and superficial. Highly xenophobic beneath their polite exterior.

        • +1

          Japanese are probably the worst for being fake and superficial. Highly xenophobic beneath their polite exterior.

          Perhaps, but as a tourist it's great bring treated so well everywhere :)

        • True, there is a difference between being polite vs friendly.

          A bit like the Americans being the Peach vs Continental Europeans being the coconuts in the soft/hardness if you get what I mean.

        • Hmm, sorta can confirm. There is a big us vs them sorta mentality generally - mostly in things relating to how foreigners can't possibly master the Japanese language/kanji - that often tarnishes half japanese kids through school too, even if they've grown up in Japan their whole lives (my niece and nephew have experienced this) but generally it's not the hatred that aussie racists tend to spit at foreigners. After living in Japan a year I only experienced one moment of what I would class racism which was from a really disrespectful like 10 year old… I was training karate at a gasshuku and he wasn't sparring with me. In Australia I'm a black belt, the style I trained with their gave me a green or blue belt to wear so initially I thought it was either because I was a girl or because I was a lower belt that he refused to participate but then I watched him helpfully train a white belt girl. Only thing I could put it down to was me not being Japanese.

          A lot of Japanese people I met have spent time studying overseas and I think that time away from the sometimes stilted culture (particularly around their crazy schooling habits) mellows the us/them mentality.

    • No obnoxious shirts is a weird and big call… Particularly when it comes to the engrish. I bought a shirt that said 'he gets excited' and had a white splodge pattern next to it…

    • I am very keen to understand the following part, as mentioned above. If someone can dumb it down for me and explain it, would be highly appreciated.

      Australia:
      - Socially, not as friendly as it seems. Friendliness is very surface-level and fake. In order to become one with the clique, you must be accepted as 'one …….

  • -3

    Only foreigners have culture. Something that is fake. What's real are the poor uneducated locals who've never set foot outside their own country. Ignoring foreign culture and instead seeking out and following these poor dum locals anyone can be a success in any country because unlike foreign culture, native law is genuine and universally the same wherever you are.

  • In Russia you don’t talk loudly in public, e.g. train or bus. When tourists, esp. Americans talk very loudly you would think they don’t have any manners.

  • In Russia you always eat cake with tea/coffee. I’m shocked when on birthday parties cake is cut and given without tea.

    • +6

      in soviet russia, cake eats you

      • then you drive backwards in the snow up hill in your lada. salut.

  • In Kazakhstan eating horse meat is as normal as eating beef, or kangaroo here.

    • In Italy, horse meat is widely available in super market.

    • I ate horse meat in Japan too, bit of a delicacy because of course its raw ;p

  • In Russia you flash emergency light when you want to thank you on the road, I.e. for giving way.

    • Same in Brazil

    • In Poland, someone told me, that they always drive with their headlights on. It also helps others know that the car is going to move in case it is parked.

      • I heard they do the same in Nordic countries to increase visibility.

  • +1

    In Russia the price of your car determines who gives way on the road.

  • In Russia you never sit on the floor, esp. on a concrete one. Especially if you’re a girl, believed to lead to illness and infertility. Was shocked to see school kids sitting on concrete floor here.

    I guess makes sense with temperatures below zero for half a year.

  • +4

    In many Asian countries, parents never explicitly say "I love you" or "I miss you" to their children or even their partners. They show their love through actions or nagging instead.

    • +2

      I'm only being cruel to you because I love you ! :)

      • +1

        So painful, so true.

        My mother explained it and the tl;dr was basically this :,(

    • +1

      I love you too

    • I always thought it was because (most probably) due to the cultural and language differences it was accepted in the non English speaking environment that "love" = "sex". This is what I was told by my wife who had a family environment where the L word isn't used.

      So saying "I love you" wasn't really appropriate in sharing with the general family setting.
      Hence one of the reasons that "I love you" wasn't used as much.

      But to @junglichili I sex you too. ;)

  • -1

    Here we are celebrating different cultures and traditions
    but
    doesn't that go against the governments' agenda to make all countries multicultural and diverse so nobody can have any real identity or traditions so that anybody can't offend anyone? 🤔

  • +1

    I was shocked to see my (Western) boyfriend leave the soap suds on the dishes to dry on the rack when he was washing up the dishes. I had to wash them down again with warm water. I had only seen them do this on Home and Away :*D. He knows not to do that again anymore.

    • Lol.

    • Lulz

    • I heard this was a British thing to do.

    • I had the same problem with my ex' family! They were all quite happy with suds drying on the rack, I always had my reservations eating at their house…

    • I think this is just your boyfriend

    • +1

      yeh thats 1000000%%% a white ppl thing. they must enjoy that soapy taste with the bangers and mash.

    • I don't think this is a universally western thing but more an intra-cultural divide. I for example don't rinse the suds off because I'm not a maniac and have better things to do with my time and water (although I now have a dishwasher who does the job for me so problem solved). but I've seen this debate happen amongst people and on forums a lot. From memory, the rinsers are either in the majority or are most passionate and so seemed like they were the majority.

  • In some cultures it is normal to poop on the beach

  • In Middle East you won’t shake someone’s hand with your left hand ever. When sitting down and crossing your legs you will never direct the sole of your shoes to someone. When someone gives his business card you will never put it in your back pocket. (I think some Asian countries are the same?)

    • Never have I witnessed people shaking with their left hand unless in a urinal..

      I'd say that myth is busted

      • I do it all the time when I have my right hand busy holding something.

        • You do it all the time, how often do you u have your right hand full? It's a little awkward.

      • Shaking hands at a urinal? For real?

    • Thais are very particular about feet and clothing. Feet= the most disgusting things ever, and apparently people judge if if you wear shorts and tees, even in their ridiculous heat in the south

  • For some middle eastern. People stand up for greetings, shake hands (using the right hand) and follow that by putting the right hand on their hearts if they want to express respect. There are also rules for greetings. Younger must start greeting elder people. If you are walking you must greet people who are sitting..
    If you get coffee in a meeting, a guy will serve it, he gives one cup with a small sip, you drink and shake the cup to express that you had enough, if not he gives you more.

  • Even going to the cinemas in different countries can give you different experiences entirely:

    • Iceland, there's an interval in the middle of showing for people to take a break.
    • China, it's totally ok to talk during showing.
    • Myanmar, they'll play the national anthem before the movie starts and you have to stand up.
    • Japan, a lot of movies are dubbed instead of subtitled and that's why they take forever to be shown there. You can get pamphlet about the movie.
    • Indonesia, A is the row furthest from screen, not closest.
    • Taiwan, once I was in a cinema that's so small there's probably only 20-30 seats in there, I was impressed.
    • China, it's totally ok to talk during showing.

      Oh he'll no. Is what I have to say about that.

      Taiwan, once I was in a cinema that's so small there's probably only 20-30 seats in there, I was impressed.

      Blacktown (nsw) westpoints old cinema was this big before the shopping centre expansion.

    • Indian cinemas have most of all the above. Times are now changing and adapting more western practices.

  • +1

    Hmmm, how about this: China is a large country with quite differing and sometimes totally opposite cultures in different parts of China. Some traits are shared pretty much across the country, but others are profoundly local to a particular area/ethnicity/province.

    For example, many still enjoy dog meat as cuisine, while many others organize into dog protection groups to cross the highway to rescue dogs sent to the slaughterhouse.

    • For example, many still enjoy dog meat as cuisine,

      And some French like snails or frogs. But these are local specialities, not common national tastes like pork for Chinese, or wine & cheese for French.

  • "Different nationalities really have different personalities

    Several large international studies have now documented cross-cultural differences in average personality. One of the most extensive was published in 2005 by Robert McCrae and 79 collaborators around the world, who profiled more than 12,000 college students from 51 cultures. Based on averaging these personality profiles, the researchers were able to present an “aggregate” trait score for each of the cultures.

    The highest scoring cultural groups for Extraversion on average were Brazilians, French Swiss and the Maltese, while the lowest scoring were Nigerians, Moroccans and Indonesians. The highest scoring for Openness to Experience were German-speaking Swiss, Danes and Germans, while the lowest scoring on average were Hong Kong Chinese, Northern Irish and Kuwaitis. The study also uncovered variation between countries in the three other main personality traits of Neuroticism, Conscientiousness and Agreeableness."

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170413-different-nationali…

  • In Turkmenistan ballet, makeup, and lip synching is illegal

  • many people in Japan still use yahoo as their primary search engine

  • In Italy every hotel/ house has a ceramic bidet. When you are eating you say “buon appetito/enjoy your meal”. If someone walks in while you are eating you invite them to join you (even if you don’t mean it) and person responds “enjoy your meal. People greet by kissing on both cheeks. Man seat at the head of the table. Churches ring bells every hour.

    • In Egypt the traffic is organised chaos, cars are constantly honking to signal various things, not necessarily in anger.
    • In Finland saunas (unless private ones) are separated by sex and are usually done naked, socially with friends. Same for onsens in Japan.
    • In Morocco (and probably other ME cultures) you attend the hamam regularly with your family and bond over washing each other. (should I be alarmed over my knowledge of other cultures' naked bathing cultures?)
    • In the UK, do not be alarmed that you look like you need help when they ask "Are you alright?", they really mean to say "How are you?"
    • In the US, especially in the workplace calling groups of people boys or girls can be condescending, it means that they are not mature enough to be called men and women.
    • In Chinese culture for a month after birth the mother and baby do their 'confinement' where the mother avoids getting wet as they believe pores open up and you can "catch wind". There is usually a 'confinement lady' (usually the grandmother, or some other hired help) to look after the mother. They also celebrate the full moon (a month after birth) and/or 100 days and give red dyed eggs to friends and family.
    • Also in Chinese culture attending another wedding within 3 months before your own will bring you bad luck to your own marriage.
    • Don't tip in Japan! You are implying that they don't pay their staff enough. And don't rub your disposable wooden chopsticks, you're implying that they provide cheap splintery chopsticks.
    • When eating sushi at a good sushi restaurant (especially at the sushi bar) avoid dipping your sushi in soy sauce, and if you must only dip the fish. The sushi chef has already seasoned the rice, applied a small amount of wasabi and the fish should be fresh enough that you don't need soy sauce and may be insulted otherwise.
    • In some European countries if you don't tell them you don't want the bread at a restaurant they will charge you for it.
  • In most of the countries parents are called mum (mam, mama) and dad (papa).
    Georgia is the only country where dad is called "mama" and mum is called "dada"

  • Muslims, a lot of Middle Easterns, and old school Filipinos wash when going to the toilet, everytime. Water in the right hand and wash with your left, then clean your hands with soap under running water. It feels great. Not sure how many other cultures do this.

    • I'm unsure what you mean. I wash my hands after going to the toilet everytime.

      • +1

        They meant that after doing number two the bottom is washed with water rather than just toilet paper…

        The analogy being rubbing chocolate into the floor or carpet, you really should get water to get all that chocolate off.

        • Pretty much what Rehbar said^

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