Differing cultural norms - worldly insights

The recent baby formula discussion got me thinking about cultural differences.
One fascinating cultural difference I learned this year thanks to Tim Ferris and Derek Sivers is about addresses in Japan. In the Western world, the streets are named and houses are numbered in sequential order. In Japan, the blocks are named and the houses are numbered in the order they were built. For the Japanese, the streets are empty spaces and the blocks contain all the importance (i.e. the people in buildings).
I think this is a brilliant perspective which I've never given 2 seconds of thought to previously.
Started this topic in case others have discovered other fascinating differences and wanted to share or ask questions about.

Happy 2019 Everyone and thank you for the contributions. As a tldr, some I really liked;
dust super quick to comment and pointed out that in Asia, people say their family name first.
thevofa fired up the discussion around cruelty to animals in different countries.
Shadowsfury don't start eating before the elder at the table or drink whilst looking at the elder in Korean culture.
sqleonhart "no shoes inside" policy for many Asian households.
MissG gave insights to spraying yourself after going to the toilet rather than wiping with toilet paper.
chumlee shout out to our Kiwi friends and their delightful accent when prouncing sex - I believe they think it means six.
Wiede in the Middle East, you tear bread with your hands, not cut it using knives.
DiscoJango plenty of great examples, particularly around Japan.
Tripnfelt interesting fact on filler words (i.e. um, ah, you know).
p1 ama USA imperial system vs the rest of the world.
munecito Venezuela's street names!
zeoko German toilets. Possibly more funky than squat toilets.

Comments

    • +4

      Yes, Canada is a heinous place indeed.

    • +6

      You must be a negative wife to only think negative of your husbands culture, given in too much by media influence?

    • +5

      Plenty good in every culture. You need to visit china

  • +29

    In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women.

    • +4

      Who is your daddy and what does he do?

  • +11

    In Switzerland, if someone returns something of yours, you're meant to give them a 10% finders fee/reward.

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/354557

  • +1

    That is a completely crazy way to number houses.

    https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/addresses-in-japan

    • This is a great article. I particularly like the section on the "Charm of Japanese Addresses". It would certainly help people living together get to know their neighbours.
      this suggested Asian's don't put the elderly into nursing homes because they historically had larger families that could handle the burden - something that has valid logic. This article has given me a different perspective that if neighbours have a connected sense of identity, they could all look after each other irrespective of how many kids each individual household had.

  • https://www.thekitchn.com/survey-using-your-knife-and-fork-1…

    In America the street address is often first digits (block number) last two digits (house number in this block). First time we visited our hotel address was 10031 and we thought "what?". Block 100 and then 31 for the hotel address in that block.

    Don't get me started on squat loos or places where the toilet paper is put in a basket at the side rather than down the loo.

    • +1

      In relation to the toilet paper in a basket, tonyzeus has some possibly related context. Did you use the hose first when face with that situation?

      • Sometimes there is no hose installed but toilet paper still goes in the basket.

        • In South Korea, all used toilet paper goes to the basket at the side.

          There are not many public rubbish bins, either bring your rubbish home or overfilled an occasional bin on some random place.

    • In some places the plumbing is so small it can't cope with the toilet paper.

  • +4

    In Sri Lanka if you wear thongs with the national flag printed on them, you’ll offend heaps of people and possibly get youself a jail cell.

    • Noted, I won't get those souvenirs.

  • +3

    No walking and eating in Japan.

    • +3

      Saw this on youtube recently too. They view walking whilst eating a sandwich like walking whilst eating a plate of spaghetti.

      • -1

        Have eaten many sandwiches while traveling in japan and no one has batted an eye.

        • +1

          They are too polite to say anything. Plus they probably realise you're a foreigner.

    • -1

      They must've loved it when I was wandering around eating convenience store soba noodles..

  • +2

    Korea - don't start eating until the eldest has started.

    Also don't have a swag of your drink looking at the same eldest person.

    • Also, make sure the eldest has a full cup! While pouring their drink, use two hands if you can reach, otherwise cross one hand across your chest.

  • +9

    People from Asia usually don't wear shoes inside the house.

    • +3

      I only thought Americans wore shoes indoors…

    • In Scandinavia, it's considered rude to wear your shoes inside the house.

      • You wouldn't want to anyway considering you'll be bringing in dirt, mud and moisture for 6 months of the year.

      • +1

        "Rude" is a mild expression, wear shoes beyond the entry and you'll get kicked out.

      • How come I've never seen them taking their shoes off at the door or being shoeless indoors in any of the Scandi-noir I've seen. Apart from the bedroom and shower scenes.

  • +8

    In Asian culture, calling someone fat is seen as socially acceptable and not impolite. It's supposed to be seen as a term of endearment or to say you are happy/healthy (since you get plenty to eat). Well I guess there could some negative connotation to it but it can also be seen as a positive connotation. The amount of times some elder relatives have called me fat (even though I'm quite a fit and athletic guy) I just laugh inside and think how offended the average Australian person would be if the same happened.

    • +2

      Lol try that with any young girl in any asian country

      • As a Gen Y, I'll just enjoy my popcorn while watching Gen X and Gen Z kill each other.

  • +3

    In Thailand instead of toilet paper they have a trigger operated hose that satisfyingly washes your bum instead. Works way better than toilet paper and apparently healthier too. Sewerage system can't take toilet paper so you're forced to use it. Apparently you can buy them in Bunnings now and I admit I'm tempted to get one.

    • +7

      Ok so you’ve sprayed your bum with the hose and now you have a wet bum, so you just pull up ur undies and that’s it with a wet bum?

      Or wait for bum to dry? I don’t get it…

      • +7

        Shake thrice

      • +3

        I am also waiting for an answer to this, it's like one of those mysteries of the universe.

      • +5

        You will have to use those 3 seashells to dry yourself up.

        • +1

          He doesn't know how to use the three seashells!

      • BYO towel!

      • Took me a while to get used to this after visiting my expat uncle a few times. After washing your arse, it's acceptable to use a sheet or three of toilet paper to dry yourself off.

        • +1

          Do you throw that paper into a basket nearby the toilet? You'd gross out try2bhelpful.

          • @S2: Where my uncle is staying (Chumphon), yes. The septic system can't deal with toilet paper at all. In Bangkok, no, you can flush the few sheets.

            • +2

              @fluffymurderball: Another mystery are sewerage systems that can cope with human solid waste but not a little toilet tissue?

              • @tranter: Organic waste breaks down in a day or two, even if it clumps together. If toilet paper clumps together, it can take a VERY long time for it to break down, and you can imagine what happens if it clogs up …

                Even worse are sanitary wipes. Putting those down the drain will (profanity) up some poor plumbers day even in Australia.

                • @fluffymurderball: Ok, fair enough.

                  There is also toilet paper that breaks down very easily, used for camping and others systems that can't handle normal paper. Some of the papers break down just sitting in a glass of water.

                  • +1

                    @tranter: This is true and they generally cost more than regular toilet paper. Most places in SEA are super-high density populations compared to Aus, and poverty is rampant. They don't care for spending more on toilet paper when their system works, they just don't want their excrement coming back up the pipes.

      • I guess they need some sort of air hose as well, to dry it off. Imagine a Dyson…

      • Just start twerking !!

    • This is a great one to get people thinking - as per the replies. It's also really easy to install it to your existing toilet set up.

    • That makes a lot of sense to me. If you stand in dog poo, you'd rather wash it off with a hose than simply wipe it with a piece of tissue. So it's pretty gross that we only wipe our butts with tissue to 'clean' ourselves.

      • Then again, if you want to be truly clean you need to take a shower.

    • India doesn't use toilet paper as well..

      Before this hose thingy was invented, we used to use left hand to clean up. that is why it is not allowed to use left hand for eating food since its considered unhygienic.

      https://www.quora.com/Is-it-OK-to-eat-using-your-left-hand-i…

  • In a lot of middle eastern country you never ever cut bread with knives. You have to tear the bread with your hand.

    In some SEA coontries you don’t use your left hand to pass objects to other people

    • I think it's because they use that hand for washing the bum after toilet use, and also why only the right hand is used for eating. If not using utensils.

    • Which countries are you referring to? From a mixed ME background I have never heard or observed this at all.

      • +1

        Morocco. I was also told the same thing by my friend when I was in Jedda

        • Morocco is North African and not really Middle Eastern, but cool to know nonetheless. I'm of Syrian descent with family/community from pretty much all neighbouring countries and had never heard of this custom, may be an Arabian thing I guess.

    • Not sure abt middle eastern countries, but we in India eat with our hands and no cutlery … so bread obviously also included

  • +14

    In NZ they ask for sex a lot, particularly when talking numbers

    • +1

      Sorry what?

      Talking numbers as in.. maths?

      Maths = sex?

      Hope to get some clarification before booking a ticket.

      • +7

        Straight over his head.

      • +6

        Sex as in one fewer than siven.

      • +2

        When you go over to NZ, make sure to ask about their dicks.

        https://youtu.be/i6c4Nupnup0

      • +2

        It's a joke about their accent. Also, "choice" gets thrown a lot too.

  • I love reading books about foreign cultural tradition. Other great books of fiction I like to read are religious texts and healthy vegan recipes.

  • +5

    the indian head shake can mean yes or no. saying yes can also mean no.

    japanese people are all about being super polite and not intruding on others. so much so that males no longer know how to interact with females and will have a huge population crisis in the coming future

    qld people are very laid back compared to nsw and vic. vic people are nicer than nsw people.

    natives of most countries (that are usually poor and live in the country side) are some of the nicest people you will meet

    americans inside voice is louder than our outside voices

    pushing, shoving and not lining up are normal in china.

    some hawain locals are so physically large they need to buy 2 airline seats for 1 person

    americans have been completely brainwashed against anyone that is muslim or looks ethnic and has a beard.

    • Funny how the Japanese are so polite and don’t intrude but are happy to push people into their trains like sardines.

      Or is that just some fake videos I see on the net? I’ve not actually been to Japan

      • Been twice and have never seen the pushing into trains thing happen.

      • +1

        I've seen it and been part of it in peak hour in Tokyo. Arms, bags, people, all getting pushed in by station staff to make sure the doors can close. Quite the experience.

        • Ok must be a peak hour thing. I never used the trains in the mornings. I like to sleep in!!!

        • +1

          I've been to Tokyo. The station platforms have where the train doors will end up painted on the platform so you know where to stand. People line up at these in an orderly fashion. Never saw anything of that kind where people push each other onto the train, people just normally wait for the next train since they are so frequent.

          • @Ghost47: It’s easy to find examples on YouTube, and, I was in the middle of it myself. 100% happens in peak hour. Most peak hour trains are over capacity, so waiting for the next one doesn’t do much good if you’re in the middle of the line.

      • It's a practical thing, those trains are like 110% capacity every rush hour, can't waste space, so everyone just accepts the weirdness.

        • +4

          I think an element of politeness is a part of it too. When I was in Japan, we were often packed pretty tightly onto the trains, but there were always still people trying to get in. So everybody lifted their bags and suitcases above their heads, allowing more space for people to fit into the train. It was uncomfortable, but also weirdly nice that people were willing to forgo their own comfort to allow people to get where they wanted to go.

          Contrast that to some of the trains in Melbourne, where you're desperately trying to get through the doors, but nobody wants to move aside to let you in, even though the entire middle of the carriage is completely empty of people. So frustrating.

      • It 100% happens. The look of shock on Westerners as they "AWMAGAWD MUH PERSONAL SPAYCE" is entertaining.

      • Ive witnessed and photographed the train pushing - the look on one woman's face was epic - it seems Japanese trains have disabled the 'if something gets in the way of the door it'll reopen' sensor to allow for the squeezing onto trains. Gloved Station workers instead guided the door closed while the train pushing happens. It's not too frequent where I lived at least (nagoya, Tokyo is probably worse) as I travelled along the main train line during peak hour morning for a whole year and it was a rarity.

      • +9

        not going to start a race argument here, however your answer literally is what i was talking about. "these people" refers to an entire religion, spread across the world. did you know a majority of people in indonesia and malaysia are muslims?

        however, as i mentioned, nearly all americans have been brainwashed into thinking "muslim" = osama bin laden.

        the same goes for the entire continent of the middle east. terrorists!

        some more fun facts about japan since its such a quirky culture:

        . no rubbish bins in public because they are scared people will use them to store bombs

        . besides the 7-11's, all restaurants are sit down and eat places. they dont walk and eat like we do, nor do they "snack". makes trying to get a quick snack during the day a difficult process!

        . a legal loop hole means you can drive a go kart as your regular vehicle. bit dangerous tho, you wouldnt want to

        . their trains arrive at the exact minute the sign board says they will

        . for such an advanced country, they arent all that much into air conditioning. makes summer interesting.

        . their vehicles are super advanced compared to ours. they had lcd gps/tv screens since the 80's. mid 2000 cars had the all digital screens

        . their mcdonalds teriyaki burger is awesome :D

        • +2

          That’s why London has barely any rubbish bins on the streets, particularly around tourist areas. IRA liked planting bombs in them back in the 80’s.

          Also why Southern Cross has very few.

          • @Randolph Duke: Central sydney station took all bins away years ago, post 9/11. Very frustrating for commuters that want to do the right thing and not leave rubish on train, but basically had no choice, as no bins anywhere.
            They bought back bins every platform, but transparent bins so can see whats inside. A good medium ground IMO.
            Shame with have to change things just due to a few arse holes doing the wrong thing. Apparently not allowed to step more than 1 metre from my bag while travelling on ferry, was approached by staff for complaint of unattended bag while I was standing at front of the boat enjoying sydney harbour views.
            A couple of idiots threw rocks at cars from bridges, now ever single bridge over road seems to have a big cage around it (who knows how many millions this costed, just to stop a few idiots doing the wrong thing).

            • @[Deactivated]: It doesn't take much for someone to pinch your bag when you aren't with it; I would've been grateful they gave me the warning. The problem with the bridges isn't just idiot rock throwers it is also people who try to commit suicide by jumping. I agree it is a pain, but it has probably saved a few people's lives along the way. They put up the tall fencing on Westgate bridge after the f-wit threw his kid off the bridge.

              • -1

                @try2bhelpful:

                now ever single bridge over road seems to have a big cage around it

                I was very clearly talking about bridges over roads not bridges over water with suicide prevention bridges.

                You seem to be just be arguing for the sake of arguement, and/or you failed to read my actual post.

                It doesn't take much for someone to pinch your bag when you aren't with it;

                It really does, since I was the only person at front of boat and was keeping an eye on my bag in front of me. Unless the theif was invisible, Im going to notice someone walk up to where my bag was and pinch it.

                • -1

                  @[Deactivated]: There are suicidal people who jump off bridges into the path of car traffic and trains.

                  People can have their bags pinched from under the feet or from seats next to them; let alone a few feet from where they are.

                  Not trying to argue just raising facts.

        • -2

          australia is the same, every young anglo 'aussie' ive met will say 'thats a terrorist beard' to any bearded individual.

          • @abuch47: Maybe you need to meet new people. I've never heard anyone say that. Maybe I know a more polite group.

            • @try2bhelpful: Nope I don't associate with these people. I work in a high turnover industry with many changing social interactions, this is the norm. Racist, homophobic, sexist male dominated industry where everything is hurtful jokes that people don't think is harmful yet won't try anything unaustralian.

              • @abuch47: Just saying this isn't the norm everywhere so you are generalising. It is a pity there are still areas where it is like this, but society is changing.

        • +2

          not going to start a race argument here

          Yet you made the first comment…

        • Any idea if they have eftpos yet or if the atm still charge outside of business hours? I found those two quirks seriously quirky for such a technologically advanced place… That was in 2007 though so not sure if they've changed. They did seem to be a very cash based society.

          Also I didn't notice the lack of air con - but again that was 2007 when I lived there - prior to the 2011 fukushima nuclear saga and to my understanding they've shut down more power plants since then so maybe that has a correlation?

    • +3

      Reads like you made most of these up based on generalizations.

      • -2

        Reads based on real life experiences, not sitting behind a keyboard.

    • japanese people are all about being super polite and not intruding on others. so much so that males no longer know how to interact with females and will have a huge population crisis in the coming future

      Another form of over "super politeness and not wanting to intrude on others" gone too far, that I've learnt recently, you see those people walking down the street with their faces buried in their phone. They are actually trying to respect your privacy, by not looking up and noticing you, means they have no saved un-consenting memories of you.

      Not to say that applies to all the people who do this, some are actually too into their mobiles.

    • +1

      Moving from Sydney to Melbourne and having previously lived in QLD, people in VIC have been the most rude and unwelcoming so far. Maybe its because I was previously from Sydney and there seems to be a lot of hate for that city? Unsure and a little confusing. Wife has come across the same thing, we now don't say we were from Sydney.
      Spending quite some time each year in the USA I've not come across any of your brainwashed Americans, most are more welcoming and friendly than I've encountered in Melbourne!

      • Which suburb in Melbourne if you don't mind me asking. I can see huge differences in demographics from one suburb to the next

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