Differing cultural norms - worldly insights

The recent baby formula discussion got me thinking about cultural differences.
One fascinating cultural difference I learned this year thanks to Tim Ferris and Derek Sivers is about addresses in Japan. In the Western world, the streets are named and houses are numbered in sequential order. In Japan, the blocks are named and the houses are numbered in the order they were built. For the Japanese, the streets are empty spaces and the blocks contain all the importance (i.e. the people in buildings).
I think this is a brilliant perspective which I've never given 2 seconds of thought to previously.
Started this topic in case others have discovered other fascinating differences and wanted to share or ask questions about.

Happy 2019 Everyone and thank you for the contributions. As a tldr, some I really liked;
dust super quick to comment and pointed out that in Asia, people say their family name first.
thevofa fired up the discussion around cruelty to animals in different countries.
Shadowsfury don't start eating before the elder at the table or drink whilst looking at the elder in Korean culture.
sqleonhart "no shoes inside" policy for many Asian households.
MissG gave insights to spraying yourself after going to the toilet rather than wiping with toilet paper.
chumlee shout out to our Kiwi friends and their delightful accent when prouncing sex - I believe they think it means six.
Wiede in the Middle East, you tear bread with your hands, not cut it using knives.
DiscoJango plenty of great examples, particularly around Japan.
Tripnfelt interesting fact on filler words (i.e. um, ah, you know).
p1 ama USA imperial system vs the rest of the world.
munecito Venezuela's street names!
zeoko German toilets. Possibly more funky than squat toilets.

Comments

  • +10

    In many Asian cultures you say your last name first.

    • +1

      Yes, another one I like. I remember being taught that it relates to the family being more important than the individual. Therefore, it is also cited as saying the "family" name first.

      • +1

        There are many positives with the emphasis on family in Asia but on the flip side there are also some negative aspects relating to dynamics within the family in some Asian cultures.

        • One of which is beautifully illustrated via this deal (those who haven't already seen it may find this comment - which deserves more plus votes - helpful).

        • +4

          but on the flip side there are also some negative aspects relating to dynamics within the family in some Asian cultures.

          99 % of which are caused by the mother in law.

        • +6

          Most asian cultures dont throw their elders into bad nursing homes and then winge how bad they are in hope of getting compensation for their own "suffering"

          • +5

            @HangryCakeStore:

            Most asian cultures dont throw their elders into bad nursing homes and then winge how bad they are in hope of getting compensation for their own "suffering"

            That's a pretty black and white way of looking at things. In many Asian countries, families do not break up and travel far and wide (e.g. one child in Melbourne, one child in Sydney, one child in LA, one child in Europe…etc.) and they also tend to have many more children. This means that the burden of looking after elders are spread amongst more people.

            Nursing homes are very common in Asian populations that are older and tend to have less children (e.g. Japan, where they have recently started to introduce robots to automate tasks performed by staff). So, I would say that this is more of a "having children" issue than an "Asian/non-Asian" issue.

            • @p1 ama: In case you were interested - this article below gave me a different perspective which I commented on.

    • And in many other asian cultures you don’t even have last name!

    • -2

      It's Family Name and Given Name. Calling it last name and first name is just stupid.

      • +2

        This is totally legit, Firstname and Lastname are obsoleted due to mix up of Western and Asian cultures, especially Eastern Asian would begin with Family name then their Given name.

    • +3

      In Vietnam particularly, people are called with their given names because surnames are not distinguishable there (given 40% of Vietnamese people have the surname Nguyen). The way to say someone's name formally is saying their full name.

    • You posted the comment as "In many Asian cultures" but This comment got translated by the OP as "In Asia…"

      Which sounds like an overgeneralisation…

      I come from one of the largely populated South East countries and we don't even have First Name-Last Name field!

      My passport only has "Name" and at some point immigration screwed up my name on the visa by putting my First Name-Last Name in repeat for both the First Name and Last Name fields.

      • Ive heard this happen in indo on purpose due to the indo vs chinese in the early 60s

        • +1

          Yeah, have worked with two Indonesians who had the same name twice. Eg John John

    • Same in Hungary; family name first, then given name and second given name (if any).

    • Also, the last (first, in this case) name is the persons fathers name, in certain Asian countries.

  • +12

    In Tokyo you stand on the left hand side of the escalator whereas in Osaka you stand on the right hand side of the escalator.

    • +7

      That'll confuse tourist. I remember being told off for standing on the left of an escalator in London. They stand on the right and walk on the left there.

      • +1

        Whats the driving like? I thought they'd be like here where you coast on the left and overtake on the right?

    • +2

      YES! I immediately noticed that as a tourist. That confused my wife and I but it was evident it's due to the location. I believe all southern cities follow Osaka, like Kagoshima, Nagasaki, etc.

    • +67

      In Australia people like to choose the middle

      • +6

        That's for roads of more than two lanes too.

        • +17

          Wrong. When there is more than 2 lanes in Australia there is a consensus that if we fill them all and pace each other at below the speed limit this will be most effective.

          • +8

            @Mike88: …then have a bitch on OzBargain about being tailgated…

  • +2

    In Bali, people use spoon & fork to eat, or just their (clean) bare hands. Makes sense, spoon is just more multi functional than a knife, and handier for eating with rice.

    Guess their way of doing is that if you need to cut up your food, its not 'prepared'/succulent enough!

    • +3

      Not just Bali. Common in Singapore and Malaysia too. I do it too.

      • +1

        And Thailand… People tend to eat Pad Thai with a chop stick when it should bave been with a spoon/fork too!

        Btw, Bali is IN Indonesia B-)

    • +1

      Find it strange that people eat rice with fork! Fork is to stab and pick up food, not to scoop rice.
      If I have to choose just one utensil, it would be spoon. Spoon is versatile; one can drink soup with it, scoop rice, eat pasta or even cut meat if needed.

    • -1

      Especially when eating someones's pet dog!
      https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/16/14/53/animal-cruelty-dog…

  • +9

    In Russia, you don't randomly smile to strangers like here in Aus when you walk on the footpath. You will be seen as crazy.

    • +3

      happy but crazy…ok :)

    • +6

      I am fascinated by Russian culture - maybe as result of all Cold War propaganda whilst growing up. Something counteracts propaganda in me.

    • +8

      this is literally the reason why most russians appear dull, lifeless and depressed to us westerners.

      smiling for them is equivalent to looking like a retard jumping around in public. its serious face, all the time.

    • +3

      I don't know how true this is, but a Russian friend of mine said that Russians also rarely hug or say they love their family members, because it's naturally assumed that they love each other so it doesn't need to be said. I thought that was interesting.

      • Russia is huge, so this depends on a region/family. My family have never been saying love and never gave hugs apart from farewells or if they haven’t seen each other for a long time. My wife’s family is different and they do it all the time. As you could imagine this can create tension in my family due to different expectations.

    • In Russia you don't smile to strangers, the strangers smile to you! Oh wait… It's the same

    • +50

      you must be fun at parties

    • +2

      Wow, what a comment. That's certainly one aspect of countries you can focus on.
      This is getting me all reminiscent; I remember a documentary about an African nation (sorry, I've forgotten which one) that collected tiny flies which appeared like an abundant pest using basic nets, then cooking them over an open camp fire to create a hamburger patty.

    • +3

      Damn!

      Thanks for the tips on which sports to do in each of the countries you mentioned. Will certainly take the offer up.

    • +1

      whys this getting downvoted? Its all true

      • +6

        I don’t think anybody down voted because they thought it was false.

    • -1

      Sad (profanity)

    • +12

      Vegan right?

    • +6

      Sounds delicious

    • +7

      In China they slaughter and eat dogs. In Canada they club seals to death. In Japan they round dolphins up into a cove and stab them. In America they breed turkeys in big sheds then kill them for Thanksgiving. In Australia we rip baby lambs from their mothers and eat their legs and ribs to celebrate the European invasion.

      The setup has promise but you've completely forgotten the punchline. Needs something like, "And in [country name] they blend them all up and call it breakfast!"

    • +3

      Haha oh no it's you again…

    • True, humans are very cruel to other animal species. But all human races are guilty of destroying the habitat that sustains animals. Even in Madigascar less than 10% of the natural habitat is intact.

      However, the examples above involved killing animals for food. Chinese will hunt animals to extinction for non-food products like ivory and rhino horn. Chinese are the world's leader at murdering Mother Nature.

      • +1

        I believe the rhino horn is consumed by the Chinese for some medicinal benefit. Should it not also be categorized as "killing animals for food"? Movies and TV have more often depicted the non-Asian as being more interested in ivory as an ornament.

    • +3

      Fun fact there are billions of bacteria we kill every day, even if you not eating anything and just drinking water.

      • -3

        Fun fact: the consensus of science indicates that bacteria are not sentient.

        Unfun fact: billions of wrongs don't make a right.

        • I didnt neg you, but please for the shake of mankind/you dont let's random scientist be the final author. It is a very stupid game to play, and stupid reward ought to follow … Btw your definition of right n wrong is a subjective one.

          Edit: Your immune system kills those billion bacteria, so you have no SAYS in it.

    • lol speaking the truth these days seems to make people mad. Dont worry i upvoted this comment because not only is it true but people here seem to think what we do in Australia is always 100% correct.

  • +1

    In Perth / W.A we have a summer time ritual when outside called the "Perth or W.A salute"

    Those bloody flies do not taste nice…gotta wave them away.

    • +1

      We should adopt that in other states

      • +7

        Also known as the Aussie salute throughout the rest of the country.

  • +20

    In China, Russia and the Philippines it is impolite to completely finish your meal - it implies your host hasn't provided enough food

    In Japan, Vietnam, India it is impolite if you don't completely finish your meal - it implies your host hasn't provided delicious food. There's also the culture of not wasting food.

    • +1

      Really, in Philippines? I didn't come across it there. Although so much food wastage and always way too much food prepared. Amazing to think in such a poor country.

      • I haven't been to the Philippines before, however, my limited interactions have typically shown an oversupply of food. This would tie in with the host wanting to ensure you can't completely finish your meal.

      • +6

        My in laws are from the Philippines, this is based on what I've been told about the culture.

        Every time they throw a party, there has to be enough food for everyone to be full plus enough so everyone / every family can take a plate home with them. I have like a week's worth of left overs every time they throw a party.

        • Ok, that makes sense. I thought by not finishing your meal you meant you should leave food on your plate that you have been eating from.

          But yeah, always so much food left over, what a waste.

        • +2

          I think this tradition dates back to life in the Philippines. Only the richer can afford to host gatherings, so they prepare extra to ensure that people have enough to eat and also can bring a plate home. My father-in-law has a smaller family so they even brought over neighbours to eat and take food home. The extra food is never meant for wasting and I can assure you that the locals are all grateful for it. I think this is a wonderful thing to do and very humbling to watch.

          • @ZippyRoo: Yes, I agree with your comments. But it is also to put on a show. In Philippines it is important to be 'seen' to be doing such things. Status and standing in the community is very important.

            I would say it is bit of both, there is much generosity to be witnessed but sometimes there is a selfish motive behind it.

    • +5

      100% sure that is not true for the part about China. You’d be considered a brat for not finishing your meal cause that’s wasting food

      • Google or youtube Chinese wasting food, you'll be surprised.

        • +3

          Yes. Seen many of these and often the aftermath is lots of wasted food. All for the apperance of prestige or face. Look at me. I can provide so much food.

          Years ago kfc had an all you can eat and these people would grab lots of food and only take a bite each of the chicken and thats it. Never finish it.

          Thats why plenty all you can eat food places charge extra if you leave too much uneaten food at your table because people are so wasteful.

      • +1

        Fairly true. My time of living in China both N and S always resulted in the host ordering twice or three times the amount of food required to feed everyone. I had the joy of attending many different events, both upper government and general social and it was always the same. Most of it had to do with face etc…

    • +1

      In northern part of China this is definitely true. I remember every time I visited relatives they kept feeding me until I was about to explode and they still insisted on feeding me more unless I was very firm that I wasn't gonna eat anymore more. Most of the time it was awkward if I finished the food too quickly and the host had nothing more to offer. So I always took it slow. I always tried to avoid eating at friends or relatives because of this stressful feeling.

    • +1

      not in russia

    • Not in every parts of China, and it is a tradition not popular now, people are conscious of wastage quite a lot.

    • Not true these days in China. People are conscious about food wastage, most leftovers people package up for the guests to take home.

    • Not true about Russia. If you finish your plate, they just put more food on it, as they think you are still hungry. Not impolite at all. Means you like the food!

    • +2

      I travel to China for work and this irks me as I was brought up not to waste food.

      They always order 2-3 times as much as is needed, and if any dishes look like they are getting even remotely close to being finished they order another one, even if everyone has finished eating

      • I been brought up not to waste food also.

        This irks me too. So wasteful. All for what. For the face? The appearance? Why does what other people think if you finish all the food you order matter?

        That food was prepared to be eaten. Not to flex your status.

        If i ever order slightly more than what we could finish i have it bagged for take away.

    • it is impolite to completely finish your meal - it implies your host hasn't provided enough food

      Now thats what these colleagues of mine was doing. Always leaving a piece of food on the plate. Which i end up finishing so i can get the wait staff to take the plate away. And i can order more food for them. Hahahaha.

  • +12

    In Kazakhstan they don't like it when you act like Borat

    • -1

      I watched. borat on air an Astana flight

    • Borat for prime minister… we need a new PM

      • +1

        Intellect level about the same

  • +2

    So how the **** do you find where house 8 is, if the block is 1 hectare in size.

    In Bulgaria and Albania they shake their heads the opposite way

    • Japanese addresses are bloody impossible. Afaik they use landmarks

      • Same in Dubai. As they are constantly building new streets, apartments, etc your address is the area you live in, building name, maybe a street and the nearest landmark.

    • For Japanese GPS, the default input is phone number rather than address. Phone numbers are tied to the address and easier to work out.

    • I was managing a group of serviced apartments scattered throughout Tokyo, the address system is an absolute nightmare and Google maps can be very wrong. Late check in caused so many headaches when even the taxi driver would drop them at the wrong building

      • To try to solve the problem we provided PDFs with photo directions from the nearest station and pictures of the outside of the building. Didn't stop the abusive emails demanding compensation because they couldn't find the apartment at 3am and had no mobile to contact us.

        • Oh man I got caught out once. Didn't download the pdf instructions and thought old googly would be enough. Boy was i wrong. Stood just outside the apartment for a good hour completely oblivious to the whereabouts.

  • +2

    My husband is Chinese-Canadian, I've learnt a lot from him about Chinese culture, unfortunately it's all negative! If I was born in that petty, ignorant, conformist dystopia and didn't have the means to leave I'd probably die trying to!

    I don't remember which ones, but I do remember that in some cultures they don't kiss, can't imagine how that came about. To this day I've never learned of a more heinous cultural practice than genital mutilation/circumcision, it turns my stomach.

    Uh, I really need to find some more positive cultural differences lol.

    • +17

      When I lived in the UK I met some expat Aussies who found living in AU cringeworthy and would never return to the homophobic, racist, insular cultural wasteland.
      I don’t feel that is a fair representation of the important parts of Australia, but those people who left might not be able to reflect without bias on what is good and bad about the places they left behind.

      • +12

        Where do you think we got it from?

      • +2

        I have to agree with this. There are so many sad people in this world if they decide to hate something they can't (or refuse to) find anything positive about it.

      • +4

        Good of them to (profanity) off then. Hopefully they renounced citizenship as an act of defiance and can now enjoy the diverse acid in London.

        • -3

          "…now enjoy the diverse acid in London."

          Exactly the kind of world view they're probably trying to get away from.

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