Ironbark Boneless Pork Leg Roast $5.99 Per kg (Was $7.99) @ ALDI
Ironbark Boneless Pork Leg Roast $5.99 Per kg (Was $7.99) @ ALDI
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Completely agreed.
Just as a note with respect to health; it is definitively better. Multiple studies (https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=v…) show this with significant reductions in risk of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, strokes, heart attacks, peripheral vascular disease, etc (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/155982761142576…)
It is only better if you know how to still maintain a diet that has the nutrients you require. Not everyone does that.
@Make it so: Well yeah… isn't that overtly necessary for every diet? Even omnivores and near carnivores need to maintain certain levels of nutrients in their diets. Why is thinking about what we eat, it's health implications and it's impact on the planet/animals a bad thing?
@blergmonkeys: What have all the above comments anything to do with this deal ? It's ozbargain, just tell us where to get cheaper pork. Take your comments to the forum.
@blergmonkeys: Farming for fruits and vegetables have their own environmental cost as well. Producing cheap fruits and vegetables will most likely have a higher environmental cost compared to doing it sustainably and ethically as well.
@Mucchan: Do you have a source? My brief research revealed this not to be true.
http://www.greeneatz.com/foods-carbon-footprint.html
"Livestock farming produces from 20% to 50% of all man-made greenhouse gas emissions.
Shrink That Footprint’s chart shows that a meat lover has the highest carbon footprint at 3.3 tons of greenhouse gas emissions. A vegan diet has the lowest carbon footprint at just 1.5 tons CO2e (Carbon Dioxide Equivalent). You can reduce your foodprint by a quarter just by cutting down on red meats such as beef and lamb.
The carbon footprint of a vegetarian diet is about half that of a meat-lover’s diet."
http://www.greeneatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/foods-ca…
@z28: It's of utmost importance to show the world how holy you are today, not only in your public life but in your private life as well. It's not enough to live on the dole so that you don't create any harmful emissions commuting to work like the capitalist slaves. No, you must chain yourself to the rails so that no one harms the trees by riding the train.
It's not enough to quietly put meat aside from your personal menu - you must throw blood on the patrons of steak restaurants.
It's not enough to make choices that you believe are beneficial to your life - you must use violence and coercion to help others make beneficial changes to their own lives. This is New Holiness. Bow your knee or bare your throat.@freakatronic: Your cognitive dissonance and projection is showing…
I don't know why you're projecting your fears onto all vegans/vegetarians here. I don't agree with the recent protests as they aren't productive and only do harm to the cause. I think people can be influenced in much kinder and understanding ways. Of course giving up meat is hard, and it is delicious, but the environmental and ethical costs are too high at the rates we consume it. Perhaps consider giving it up one or two days a week. Consider not purchasing meat when it is this cheap. No one is asking you to kill yourself or give up who you are. Just think about how and what you consume.
@freakatronic: What violence has been used?
Refer to practices considered humane in the killing of pigs from the RSPCA and see what violence actually looks like.
Pigs are lowered into a pit of C02 where they thrash and scream while they suffocate to death. It sounds intense because it is. A life is being taken at the detriment of the environment, health, and animal welfare for a sensory pleasure which can now be attained through a number of mock products which are becoming increasingly delicious.
I would challenge you to watch the process required to end up with this product, youtube humane pig slaughter and make up your own mind.
No one condones animal abuse, but buying this product is doing exactly that.
@Bargain Hunter 007: Prove these animals were abused. Prove that this isn't a loss leader that Aldi will make up after you've bought cereal, milk, bread, and eggs. And a pair of snow pants.
@freakatronic: You act as if this is a difficult task?
This is an extract from a paper prepared by the RSPCA in 2007 referring to the use of C02 for stunning pigs (https://kb.rspca.org.au/afile/118/53/1/)
"Conclusion
It is clear that, when exposed to high concentrations of CO2, most animals experience high levels of distress and discomfort prior to unconsciousness. However, most alternative methods for killing require animals to be handled individually which can also lead to suffering and distress before death. In considering the use of CO2 as a method for killing it is therefore a question of relative humaneness. What has become clear is that, whilst there are welfare concerns over the use of CO2 for killing, there is little evidence available to clearly recommend an alternative at the present time. The use of other gases or gas mixtures, or the addition of anaesthetic agents, such as halothane, to CO2 may provide a more humane solution, but more research on the effects of these alternatives on different species is needed to confirm this."Again, I welcome you to watch the process required to end up with this product, plenty of videos on youtube. I am not talking about a slaughterhouse worker kicking the pig or treating it with disrespect. I am talking of the process approved by the Australian government and endorsed by the RSPCA (which despite the above extract, do give their seal of approval for meat stunned in this fashion because it is now a question of 'relative humaneness' which is one of the most absurd ideas I've heard of).
I presume you would agree that cutting a dogs tail off without anaesthetic would be animal abuse? So why not so for a pig? It is a practise called docking, and again is an approved process used because pigs are kept in such confined spaces and are so stressed that they bite each others tails, they also cut out the pigs teeth without anaesthetic to stop this, rather than providing them with more space as it is a question of profit, not animal welfare.
These are just some of the processes that pigs and other animals are subject to that I would consider to be animal abuse, and is a necessity for the industry to continue in a profitable manner and sell their pork for $5.99 a kilo in what this community considers a bargain.@Bargain Hunter 007: You dodged the question, provide proof that this is happening at the same farms that Aldi sources it's meat from.
@magic8ballgag: Huh?
I'm saying the entire system is animal abuse and backed it up with standard Australian practise which is approved by the RSPCA.
To my knowledge all factory farms use C02 for pigs (https://aussiepigfarmers.com.au/pork/our-processing/abbatoir…) which is where 85% of pigs are slaughtered, the other 15% are smaller facilities which would be marketed as 'high welfare' and may still use C02.
The alternative method is a stun gun and having their throats slit, doesn't look very pleasant either (plenty of videos of this too), I wouldn't send my dog their to be euthanised..
Unfortunately it is generally quite difficult to track the exact farm the animal has come from, and Aldi is particularly deceptive on this front.
Here is what Aldi Australia has to say on Animal Welfare - https://corporate.aldi.com.au/en/corporate-responsibility/su…
Sounds pretty good right? As a consumer I think its pretty easy to rest on your laurels at this point and buy some of that humane pork.. or you could dig just a shade deeper.
- They are still selling caged eggs
- Aldi's words on their free range chicken line
"Willowton Free Range Chicken
Willowton Free Range Chickens are accredited to the Free Range Egg & Poultry Australia (FREPA) standards, meaning they are free to access outdoor pastures during daylight hours (age and weather permitting). They have access to natural food sources such as grass, bugs and grain, rather than the strict grain-only diets of conventional barn raised chickens. We believe that this results in a more enjoyable natural taste and meat texture."
What that actually means (https://www.choice.com.au/food-and-drink/meat-fish-and-eggs/…)..
"FREPA accredited free range chickens are only let outdoors when they're 'fully feathered'. There's no cap on the amount of chickens per metre in the outdoors, and in the shed they are stocked at up to 15 birds per square metre. There is also no specified limit on the amount of artificial light used.
Brands include: Woolworths Macro Free Range, Lilydale, Aldi's Willowton Free Range"- Have a look at what AAWCS accreditation means, I skimmed and saw a couple of things of note.
- maximum time off water during transport - 48 hours for 'adults'(>6months) for cattle, sheep alpacas, camels, deer goats, 28hrs for
lambs <4 months - .26-.42 m2 per pig of weight 30-50kg is an acceptable stocking density, .85-.97m2 for pigs of 160-200kg.
- http://aawcs.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/33024_MLA_ind…
- maximum time off water during transport - 48 hours for 'adults'(>6months) for cattle, sheep alpacas, camels, deer goats, 28hrs for
Huh? I'm saying the entire system is animal abuse
I would like some proof of this still occurring, and not some video from half a decade ago showing one particular farm.
They are still selling caged eggs
So do Coles and Woolworths, that doesn't mean you have to buy them, and it certainly isn't a reflection of the quality of their meat.
It's all fine and dandy to write things online in attempt to educate others, but what else are you doing to spark change if it is as big of an issue as you make it out to be?
@magic8ballgag: I've referenced all the current standards which Aldi claim to abide by, what more could you want? Dominion shows footage over the last 5 years if you haven't seen that. There are many videos of standard practises used in Australia on youtube, animal activists are constantly getting footage of what is happening on farms. If you refuse to watch that simply because animal activists took it, I have news for you, there is a reason why you can't find farmers releasing footage of slaughterhouses - hint - it would be bad for business.
How do you think these animals are treated and killed? Old age? Happiness? No, the pigs are suffocated with C02 for a minimum of 100 seconds while they scream and thrash - go to a place where this happens, you will hear there screams, then they are raised back up and have their throats slit. This is considered the most humane method.
The quality of their meet? I never suggested it did, all I am saying is that purchasing these products is akin to animal abuse.
I don't think that is something that I need to prove, and it doesn't have anything to do with the animal abuse we are discussing here, but I am trying to raise awareness of what the conditions are in these facilities which are being hidden from public view as best I can, which is not limited to spamming ozbargain on a slow day at the office.
@Bargain Hunter 007: And still your reply lacks proof of any of your claims.
How do you think these animals are treated and killed? Old age? Happiness?
There's no need to be condescending, I understand that these animals don't receive the most glorious end to their short lives, although to say that all pigs in abattoirs around Australia are subject to the same inhumane death is very speculative.
I don't think that is something that I need to prove
You really do unfortunately, as your claims are based on footage taken by an animal activist at a single farm on one occasion.
Let's say theoretically that what you're saying is correct, what are you actually doing to change it apart from spreading awareness?
@magic8ballgag: Awareness of a problem is the first step to a solution.
As for proof - you’d have to have your head in the sand to ignore that animal agriculture en masse as we do cannot be humane.
Humane, cheap, tasty.
Pick two.
Awareness of a problem is the first step to a solution.
What's the second step then? As so far all I've seen is the first step which isn't working.
Humane, cheap, tasty. Pick two.
That's not actually a thing, you just made it up.
@magic8ballgag: Yikes. Talk about apathy. There is a problem. Most of society refuses to acknowledge it and so we should ignore that it exists because you can’t be bothered thinking further than the first step? Ok…
And yes I did but it applies very well here.
There is a problem.
I never said there wasn't.
Most of society refuses to acknowledge it and so we should ignore that it exists because you can’t be bothered thinking further than the first step?
I didn't say nor mean that, either.
Perhaps instead of jumping on the bandwagon of people that are screeching "we need to do something!", how about, you know, actually doing something.
@magic8ballgag: What are you trying to achieve with this line of questioning? Making us better activists? I appreciate the half time speech but I'm a tad confused, what you you like is us to do? What do you consider 'actually doing something'?
I have boycotted the industry.
I attend rallies to raise awareness.
I donate 10% of my salary to charities that focus on animal welfare policy in Australia, while maintaining an absolute message to close all slaughterhouses.
I intend when I finish with my current role to create a website that provides information on where your produce comes from (animal and vegetables).
This line of yours "You really do unfortunately, as your claims are based on footage taken by an animal activist at a single farm on one occasion."
Surely the burden of proof lies with the people who pay for this industry, and to confirm that what they are supporting is ethical? I have asked countless farmers to provide me with slaughterhouse footage that they condone and approve of. I am still waiting.
I have boycotted the industry.
This is the first and most important action anyone can perform. It is the only form of activism based on ending existing malfeasance rather than performing acts of beneficence, which not everyone is capable of doing. Without first ending malfeasance any acts of beneficence are pure hypocrisy. Leo Tolstoy: "I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back."
Lorindor is the equivalent of a slave owner telling the abolitionists they should stop protesting and start "doing something" to free and/or better the treatment of slaves.
I have boycotted the industry.
While that may make you & others feel better, you may overestimate it's effect on a global meat industry.
While a small minority in affluent countries refuse to eat meat (& many more have reduced it's consumption), it has little to no effect due to the fast rate of growth of the affluent in emerging markets - who usually choose to eat meat.
Even if you could convince all Australians to stop eating meat, the meat industry would still flourish, with a growing export demand.
And pushing your case here - in a hidden for most off-topic discussion, will achieve little.
If you piss people off, they can easily Hide all your comments forever (Hide option found under comment) - you'll never know who tuned out. That would make this a very short Deal😱
And with the price of meat in this deal less than some vegetables & most meat alternatives, it's hard pushing your case on a bargain site😉
Successful campaigns need to be strategic. An understanding of behaviour modification & other principles of bringing about personal change are vital. Long entrenched habits like meat eating are very hard to completely change.
(That's why I prefer the carrot to the stick in changing food habits - give them a taste & show how to prepare nutritious tasty non-meat meals, & back that up with information, as I posted earlier. Total conversion isn't necessarily the best outcome in the short term. Slow change is often preferable for long term gain.)
Confrontation might feel good & can unite groups for a cause, but is rarely successful.
I see it as my duty to eat it…. because if you don't eat it then their death would be in vain.
nah
maybe it's cheaper because there are more vegans, leading to more supply for normal people.
So…that's a good thing )
$5.99 Per kg
I can buy chicken thighs with bone and skin for $5 kg.
Most of the price we pay for is just markup. Is a chicken really nearly double $10 kg in price less removal of the bone and a bit of the skin.
you can buy chicken merryland for 2-50 on specials in butchers / not supermarket
The difference would probably be how desirable the cut is and how much the guy gets paid to debone the carcass, presuming the other overheads are already factored in.
one also needs to understand the supply chain and where profits are made on products.
just because the retail price is cheaper doesn't mean that the input quality is diminished.
It could mean the margins have been slashed someone.So true, could be that Aldi wanted to go for the "sale volume" strategy to bring in customers. And whilst you're there, you might buy other things. Which is a win in their books.
At $5.99 per kg the margins are pretty tight all around. The farmer would have to feed that pig probably 20kgs of feed to get the 1kg of meat. Plus all other costs in the supply chain.
Exactly.
Aldi source their products different to Colesworth.
They buy what is excess on the market.
The farmers input most likely remain the same regardless if they are selling to Colesworth or Aldi.
Colesworth has a supply contract with that farmers / co-ops are required to meet with +/- for demand.
Aldi buys the excess a cheaper cost.
eg the expected demand farmers need to meet is 100kgs, farmers produce 120 kgs just in case +/- demand on actual order.
actual order comes through at 100kgs, supplier has excess 20kgs to go to waste…so a buyer steps in and procures the product at a cheaper price.
all other inputs remain the same.
some gross generalisations but, pigs generally are slaughtered at about 6 months of age. with a dressed weight 75kg. If you think they can eat on average 12kg a day in that period you are kidding yourself. you are looking at more like 2kg a day on average, even then it is based on the energy density of the food.
The mark up on red meats is honestly very high. At work, even reduced 50% there is a profit to be made.
Chicken is completely opposite.
can we ban vegans from commenting on meat posts? that would save the environment from my head hurting.
Downvote them and don't respond. It's more effective.
Where is the vegan post?
More like derpderpderp lol
They were removed like the protesters who annoyed many in the CBD.
Since veganism is a religion, yes it should be banned from the comments.
He must've scored a bargain on a good soapbox.
Mmmmm … meat. Cheap meat.
Once upon a time Also sold quality meat. Now I've gotten so many bad, chewy cuts I don't buy from them any more.
Don't say that too loud here. The Aldi lovers will come down on your so hard.
I bought a pork rib racks the other day from Aldi and although the price was decent, the quality was much worse than the ones I buy from Coles. A shame but for only a few dollars more the Coles ones are far superior.
I'm an ALDI fan and I don't like their meat. Sliced meat, chicken, mince is all ok. It's just steaks etc that aren't that good. But I've had bad steaks from Coles when I used to shop there. You really need to buy from butchers
I'd agree on steaks at Coles. Generally not great.
The Woolworths ones are better (especially if it has the inhouse butchery where you can "pick from the window").
Still very hard to beat a good butcher though.
@Seraphin7: Depends where you are. In Melbourne, Coles meat seemed far better than Woolworths - but gippsland area, Woolworths meat is much better.
@Salmando: Interesting. I'm in Sydney, northside. Definitely a preference for Woolworths across all meat lines.
@Seraphin7: I work at Woolworths in Brisbane now, so get most of my meat here out of convenience - but both Cole's and Woolworths seem pretty decent here. Cole's have better thick cuts perhaps though.
@Salmando: Interesting … on the topic of thick cuts, exact opposite here. As you say, it must have something to do with the various localised suppliers. I guess I always thought the processing and distribution was more centralised than it obviously is.
Same here. Coles has some really good quality meat. However a few year ago I would have said buy all meat from Aldi's and avoid Coles.
I guess they change suppliers regularly to save money.
You are not wrong ! Bought their belly pork a few times over 4 months period at different stores, the very last one was last night and it was so tough like cutting a piece of thick leather. Seriously, Aldi's meat is really a hit and miss but I am confident to say steer clear of their belly pork.
I've also found their meat to be a bit hit and miss (as with all supermarkets really). Never had a problem with pork belly but had some average lamb chops. Bought a T-bone there on the weekend that was superb.
Maybe you should learn how to choose Meat if you're getting bad lots, I've been buying Pork Belly(among other Meats) from Aldi since they came to Australia & have only had 1 mediocre lot in that time where I chose simply on size only as we had dinner guests & it was fattier than usual.
Aldi sources their meat slightly differently from Coles and Woolworths.
They buy what is left on the market hence it can be hit and miss.
Coleworth generally have supply contracts with the same farms / coops so quality is slightly more controlled.Me I tend to buy not the cheapest brand meat products at Aldi, I buy the one up and I haven't noticed any differences.
Eg Highlands not Jindurra
Awesome, I use this to make sausages.
A big batch of pork and fennel on the way.
Cool! Hit us up with a recipe/method?
Do you have a mincer? If not you can ask your local butcher (if not busy) to mince you pretty much any cut of meat you like.
If anyone is in the market for a mincer/grinder, I reckon the Luvele machine is the best bang for buck - quality yet affordable
https://www.luvele.com.au/products/ultimate-meat-grinder
You can sometimes got it for around $160 on EBay offers
1kg minced pork - I mince my own - 0.2in plate, store bought won't work
200g pork fat minced
20g salt (Kosher salt if you can get it but it's hard to find and can be expensive)
2 tbsp ground fennel seeds (I like to add a bit more)
1tbsp ground pepper
1/2 cup white wineMix it all up by hand and stuff casings using sausage attachment
One of my favourites - simple yet really tasty
This is all assuming you have a grinder/mincer!
I didn't read your comment at all but I had to down vote you for using the phrase "trigger warning" - it's not a real thing.
(Crap! Now used it!!!!)
Meat eaters are very sensitive when standard industry practise is mentioned.
I'm a meat eater and not sensitive at all. Its just the non-meat eaters being sensitive. Especially the ones who say you cannot pick a fruit from the tree and you must wait for it to fall off before you can eat it.
@lplau: Is that actually a thing? Oh wow. Vegans. Just when you think they couldn’t get anymore pretentious..
@[Deactivated]: Yeah… no, it's not a thing. He's projecting his fears on some 'demon vegans dat gorna take mah meat away!'
@[Deactivated]: I think there are different classifications of extremities of vegetarianism. A quick search shows that what @Iplau is referring to are Fruitarian.
I feel like everyone should stop judging based off stereotypes right off the bat. I love my meat but I know it isn't doing the earth a favour, so the more vegetarians/vegans or fruitarians the better it is for meat eaters like me.
http://www.chewfo.com/vegetarian-types/
The quality of the pork however, is a different thing.
@lplau: Who has, in all seriousness, ever said that?
Why do you project so hard? Why is being humane and empathetic to the plight of animals considered a bad thing?
As already mentioned I didn't read your post. Any one who starts with the 'T' word and 'warning' I immediately ignore everything they have to say because there's a 100% chance it's total nonsense.
I used to think the same as you, then something happened, and now I am happy for trigger warnings for a certain topic. Even if you're a tough middle aged bloke and have seen a lot of ups and downs in your life, certain topics can trigger emotions in you which you would rather avoid. It might not be a real thing to you, but it is to a lot of people. Hopefully you will never have to suffer something that makes you change your mind.
Cry more
Watch a video of a pig being slaughtered and I'll leave the crying for you.
I did and I didn't cry for them, so…
Unfortunately to get this far in the thread most of the users commenting here are closed minded bigots that you will have absolutely no luck in preaching to mate!
I personally can't understand the mentality of Vegan bashing. Is it really that bad to opt out of violence against animals?
I guess it just helps people feel better about themselves by putting someone else down and burying their head in the sand about the unfortunate truths of the meat industry.
Neg away!@John Dough: It's cognitive dissonance, through and through. They don't like the idea that harming animals is required to produce something they love so much (meat). And so they lash out at those that point it out. They then project and make up anecdotes about how intrusive vegans are into their lives when, really, the harm comes from their own consumption. 100 years from now, if humanity is still here, we will look back on these agricultural processes with absolute disgust.
@blergmonkeys: Great insight there blerg. I understand some actions by extreme vegans might be seen as an act of war by some (for whatever reason) but seriously people, you don't have to be a vegan activist to start making good ethical choices and at least aim to reduce your impact on the planet and other sentient beings that inhabit it.
I understand some actions by extreme vegans might be seen as an act of war by some
Acts of war:
- Harboring a Jew in Germany 1930/40s .
- Rosa Parkes refusing to move on a bus 1955.
- Homosexuals marching in Sydney 1978.
End outcome:
- 1948 international conventions of most basic human rights established
- 1964 black people in USA can finally piss in the same spot as white people
- 1994 people in Australia can finally have homosexual sex without being locked up
Nonviolent wars can be a great thing.
@afoveht: You do know that your posting on the comments section of a bargain website which is about cheap pork right?
@blergmonkeys: It's obvious meat come from animals and they are killed so we can eat them. I'm fine with that. Never gonna change.
It's vegans are just annoying pointing it out all the time.
@Aliastar: Perhaps, maybe, just maybe, it makes you uncomfortable to think about where meat comes from and that’s why it annoys you. Yes yes I get it, you don’t care and you’ll gladly kill an animal blah blah blah. I have heard it all but just have a serious think some time about whether all that suffering is worth it. I’m not trying to convert you, most vegos arent, the point is to bring it into the forefront of your mind so that eating meat is uncomfortable. It should be. It should cause one to think about what sacrifices went into making it. It should not be as casual as it is now. That is why vegans protest and remind people about animal cruelty. Because we need to recognize the harm we are doing.
@blergmonkeys: My childhood friend lived on a farm. I've help him and his dad skin goats and sheep then eat them that day for dinner. We mince some of it too. It's obvious where it comes from.
Give up meat? Nope. Better farming practices, yep.
@Aliastar: I’m not suggesting we should give up meat entirely (although that would not be a bad thing). I’m suggesting people need to reduce (drastically) their meat consumption and to recognize where it comes from. You’re in the vast minority with your experiences and understanding on this. Most do not have this awareness. They are blissfully ignorant and do not want to think about it. This is where that cognitive dissonance and purposeful ignorance comes in.
And of course, no vego would be upset if we improved farming practices, huge step forward if that occurs.
@John Dough: Hah, well to be fair most of us were on the other side of the fence at one point in time.
I understand the uncomfortable truth that being against animal abuse and paying for an animal to be stabbed in the neck doesn't quite add up.
@Bargain Hunter 007: Most of us learnt the truth and began caring, something that unfortunately, the vast majority are unable to conceive or demonstrate.
Bye Bye invalid Neg😉
And with that 'invalid' neg gone, people can go on with their happy lives and never think of the pigs in sow stalls awaiting their truck journey and their 'humane' slaughter where they will enter a facility with a will to live, be subject to extreme pain and distress and exit in small chopped pieces.
Ahhh, humanity.
Your strongly held belief is not a valid reason for a Neg on a Deal.
Attacking others beliefs tends to entrench those beliefs & close them off to opposing views.
A carrot is better than the stick…
Years ago, I chose the path of offering non-meat meals to meat eaters down on their luck. They were surprised how good pulse, grains & veges could taste. The cost saving was a major advantage to them. That led some to volunteer to help make the next free meal & learn how to prepare non-meat meals👍@INFIDEL: Some people need the stick, I did.
I needed to called out on my rubbish excuses, it wasn't pleasant at first, and I resisted, but it got me interested in what I was paying for which lead me down this path, and lead to me ask myself if sensory pleasure justified animal welfare, the environment, and my health.
I support all non violent approaches, and I'm glad you have had positive encounters with introducing people to plant based meals.
@Bargain Hunter 007: Some here may think you still need the stick😀
(It's often a sign of a new convert, in many areas.)I'll stick with my crunchy carrots😉
Many meat eaters have not enjoyed meat free meals & may have no idea or incorrect ideas about how to prepare them. So giving them a taste is a good approach.
Unfortunately, recent free vegan burger deals would not win anyone over imo.But my elderly family members still enjoy their meats. In not going to change that & cook them roasts.
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One has to seriously question the source and treatment of the animal when meat becomes this cheap…