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Apple MacBook Pro 15" 2018 with Touch Bar 2.2GHz Hex Core Intel i7 256GB Space Grey (MR932X/A) $3,099 + Shipping @ UMART

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Apple Macbook Pro 13" and 15" at www.umart.com.au. Upto 11.4% off marked price on official Apple AU website.

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  • +4 votes

    damn still over 3 grand

  • +5 votes

    price match with officework and you get it for $2,944

    https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/macbook-pr...

  • +1 vote

    Holy shitballs that's a hefty premium. Drop another $500 and I'll buy it for my mum

  • -2 votes

    Only fanboi Will gladly spend 3k on something like this.

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      I detect a hint of resentment here. Just a simple reality that strong branding campaigns is more effective than product quality in more cases than not. No right or wrong here.

      • +1 vote

        This is OzB, I thought value was a part of an objectively good deal?

        And considering this laptops GPU is worse then the laptop 1050, I wouldn't call it to amazing value wise, even compared to other premium laptops

        • +5 votes

          Well,

          1) Value on OzBargain isn't always measured by 'product quality value' (how does this item compare to every other item that is similar in quality but not taking into account branding, accessibility, and other factors). If it were, then there shouldn't be any Ralph Lauren or Lacoste Polos on this site because really, how much does it really cost to make a 'premium' polo?

          2) "Quality/cost" inevitably diminishes the more expensive an item is. A $40k car is not twice as powerful or as efficient as a $20k.

          3) It is still a bargain if the price of an item is considerably discounted from its regular retail price.

          I agree that MacBooks aren't the cheapest computers nor the most logical choice quality-wise, but I don't think people who buy them are looking for product quality value.

  • +1 vote

    Shocking price

  • +6 votes

    As a programmer, I bought a MacBook last year and I found my efficiency of working has been improved surprisingly comparing with my old Windows laptop (probably because MacOS is Unix-based). Recommend to people work in CSIT industry and definitely worth it.

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      Agreed, but I'm still rocking a mid '13 macbook air 11" with the old keyboard. WSL may sway me back to Windows tho!

    • +5 votes

      As a programmer, I am fine working with any OS: Windows, Mac, Linux - they are all fine with me.
      I have multiple Mac devices but I refuse to agree with Apple's decision to go all USB-C/Thuderbolt 3, and having a keyboard that's known to be vulnerable against dust and dirt. And, the touch bar - honestly, if you use UNIX, no physical escape key is annoying.

      Donglebook Pros show that Apple just care more about their bottom line and it's Apple's way or the highway. I miss the 2015 Macbook Pro design.

      If you have to work on iOS mobile apps, then sure you have no choice. Or, Final Cut Pro is a must for you. Otherwise, just man up and admit you are fine to pay for Apple tax, rather trashing PC. WSL is there (and Docker is popular for devs now) and with SSDs being ubiquitous, installing another OS on PC isn't a big deal, especially for a developer.

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        So true. Hard to believe fanbois are still using the old arguments that the software is better on Mac for design, music creation etc etc. What a load of crap. And the ones that say the hard ware is more powerful… Lol

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        I didn't see where he "trashed" PC? Just his opinion was provided

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        Thunderbolt is finally going royalty free - it will basically be usb 4.0 (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/03/thunderbolt-3-become...).

        Also Thunderbolt is currently the best latency option for audio interfaces. Makes sense for Apple to use thunderbolt just like they had firewire for a long time (previously the better option than usb) for creative customers. USB is still at the bottom for low latency connections (usb 3.0 included) as it is not necessarily bandwidth but the communication with the audio drivers (core audio for mac, ASIO for win)

        I definitely don't see that as a reason to veto Apple - however price is absolutely the reason I no longer have a macbook. Built a hackintosh and saved myself a mint. Build quality is good but worth 3x the price? Also with a lot of the thermal throttling in ultrabooks these days higher specced cpu's are really not performing that great so just throwing money down the drain..

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          TB3 offered free by intel, not Apple. You can understand why intel would do that. USB 3.2 basically use the same idea as TB3 so if USB 4 came out to compete with TB3, then TB3 could end up in the same fate as firewire.

          It's not about vetoing Apple. It's just I don't see current gen Apple Macbook Pro deserves a recommendation for:

          • Unable to fix butterfly keyboard issue for 3 years now (if Apple cannot fix it, change it back)
          • Thunderbolt 3 only - Apple, if you truly believe it, why don't you have the guts to go all TB3 for iMac and Mac Pro's?
          • 4 ports only (and power still have to go through one port). Give us at least 6 ports like 2015 MBP (which has more than 6).

          Arguably one of the most expensive laptops shouldn't cut corners. MPB went from a laptop that PC users would envy to basically a dongle book with reduced keys on keyboard and a touchbar which is not useful.

          Then, the dongle shopping - it's no longer it just works - it is now: don't forget to buy a dongle or two.

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            @netsurfer: Actually, Apple and intel collaborated on Thunderbolt together - So while Apple still uses intel cpus that means we will get native thunderbolt 3 support built into the cpu with the next generation Ice Lake (as long as everything goes to plan!). Wanted to add an edit though, rumour says Apple might be ditching Intel in 2020 - that seems like an interesting move :|

            Thunderbolt is really the continuation of firewire, and if you do a bit of reading it looks likes USB-IF is using Thunderbolt 3 as the foundation for USB 4 so it is highly unlikely it will no longer be supported/not back compatible. (https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/04/with-usb-4-thunderbolt-and...)

            To play devils advocate, advantage of 1 port means you can make thinner more portable devices - It's not cost cutting more than design choice.

            As for dongles, we're already starting to see thunderbolt hubs with a whole plethora of ports for devices and multiple displays on one smaller dock that can be powered via the single port. Other essentials like mouse are bluetooth/wireless.

            Don't get me wrong, it is frustrating when you dont have the right plug for what you need, but honestly, if you were shelling out the 3k for a macbook pro, you probably have a thunderbolt/usb c monitor anyway so you're not even using a dongle… If you have multiple hdds then you probably have a dock?

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          I didn't buy DongleBook… I am still using MacBook Pro 2015… The best laptop I ever had…

          I would buy a new MacBook if Apple put into new MacBook
          - same battery as MacBook Pro 2015 - not reduced (look we shaved another 1 mm but because of smaller battery)
          - same keyboard as MacBook 2015 - it was never desktop class of keyboard but it was good enough
          - at least one "old" USB port - ideally two USB-C and one "old" USB on each side but even one "old" USB somewhere would be great
          - "Esc" key - WTF they are thinking about - this is one of the most "popular" keys on my keyboard - give me physical "Esc" key and I can live with all F-keys being replaced with that useless gimmick (touchbar)
          - TouchID - this is the only useful feature of new DongleBooks

          I am not sure about touchpad size. MacBook 2015 touchpad is good enough for me. Sometimes I have accidental touches but not often. Not sure if bigger touchpad gives more convenience without more accidental touches. :)

          This would be my dream laptop. I would pay $3000+ for it.

          Apple could make it. But they decided not to. :(

      • +1 vote

        I do have Windows on MAC, but I found that install Windows on MAC would be more easier than install MAC on Windows PC. Linux is good but I found there are less non-programmer softwares supported on Linux. MAC may not the best but it makes a balance between programmer life and normal life and I don't need to switch between systems frequently so that I can save time.

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          My experience with bootcamp is mixed, probably due to the wifi chipset issue with my Asus routers (but it is odd, given that the wifi chipset in the MBP is Broadcom - same as the routers I use). Also, the easiest/fastest way to install is actually done through Windows 10 PC (in which you simply prep the hard drive). Rather than do the install from Mac (which is actually slower). I do like the touchscreen on my PC laptop though.

          And, even on the UNIX side, pretty much all the developers I know don't use Mac's default terminal (it's just not powerful / flexible enough). Everyone uses another app.

          For normal life, I can understand why some people prefer Mac. However, for programmer life, I don't think Mac alone is enough (what happened to .NET side - you just abandon the entire Microsoft development side?). Also, at the end of day, most apps people work on get deployed to linux or UNIX. Also, for cloud, linux dominates, but there is at least some Windows server instances. Good luck running Mac servers (on prem or cloud). For docker, we mostly use linux containers.

          I don't get the argument linux is too hard to use at home for programmers. For others, yes understandable.

    • +3 votes

      As a programmer I value an ESC key

    • +2 votes

      I have switched between using a MacOS and Linux on PC. Although I am a die-hard Linux fan, I ended up using MacOS for daily work. Why? Because I do not have time to fiddle with a graphics drivers on Linux. I do not have time to fiddle with laptop not going to sleep when closing the laptop lid and expecting it to turn back on when opening the lid. I do not have time to make multiple monitors work with Linux. Well, it maybe not as bad if you are using Dell XPS or some ThinkPads, but there is always going to be some incompatibility you need to find a fix for. And still, no touchpad gestures supported out of the box like Windows and MacOS?

      Enter Windows and WSL (and WSL2). Maybe a solution but I never liked Windows anyway. Windows OS was never meant to be a programmer friendly OS.

      MacBooks have great build quality (for the hefty price you pay). Yes, I do not agree with all USB-C either. MacOS natively supports bash (and other shells like zsh). Although not perfect, MacOS gives you the closest Linux-like environment while saving you the headache of not having to fiddle around with hardware issues. The trackpad in MacBooks (or the Apple Magic Trackpad 2), when used effectively, can be a great productivity booster.

      If you can afford it, why not use your money to buy better productivity?

      • +3 votes

        There is too much sugarcoating. Display driver and multiple displays isn't trouble free on Mac. If you use DisplayLink product on Mac, you would know it is not pain free (and lack of control - i.e. the OS thinks it knows what you want can be frustrating). Furthermore, you need to buy a proper dongle to do 4K@60hz, most of the multi port dongles can only do 4K@30fps (inc. the one from Apple).

        At work, there were times where no matter what I did, the Macbook Pro (supplied by work) refused to connect to the work wifi, the only way was to reboot. There are certain software on Mac with memory leak issue, which means I have to restart that app regularly.

        Build quality - keyboard is just bad (was good in the past, but now really bad: noisy, prone to break). Prone to break issue aside, it would have been a plus if they left the top row of keyboard (Esc, Fkeys) and add a touchbar, but no, they have to remove those keys. Some people also had issues that if you use certain USB-C ports, it can interfere with Wifi.

        Bootcamp, I have issue with wifi with one of the Macbook Pro (have to setup a different wifi network on my router when I use bootcamp) - so much for better productivity.

        I do not have time to fiddle with graphics driver on linux

        Initially, for a Macbook Pro 2017 13 inch, you need to go through extra steps just to enable 4K@60fps. Mac only gives you 5 display options and if none of those 5 is what you want, then you cannot do much about it. And, let's not make it sound like you have to fiddle with graphics driver every time you start linux. If you need to do that, just get it done right and the settings doesn't magically disappear.

        X11 is no longer included with Mac, you have to use XQuartz.

        Impossible to upgrade RAM and hard drive/SSD on your own and I have yet to see a colleague with MBP without carrying a dongle.

    • +2 votes

      found my efficiency of working has been improved surprisingly comparing with my old Windows laptop (probably because MacOS is Unix-based).

      You could have just put Linux on your old laptop :-)

    • +1 vote

      XPS+manjaro here, machardware is trash, windows software is trash.

      linux saves the day

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      Why don't you install Linux in your old windows laptop and give it a go…

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        I have been using Linux on laptops and desktops since 2001, I am writing this reply from a (Ubuntu) Linux desktop using GNOME 3 (inb4 someone suggest kde or mate, please stop). Once you use both Linux and MacOS side by side daily you will see the difference. In terms of usability, MacOS wins, but that's my opinion and may not be necessarily true for everyone.

  • +5 votes

    As a programmer I value an ESC key

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      how do I delete an accidental non-comment?

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      And as a consumer I like the freedom to drag and drop any file in any application to anything else. The problems my friend is having now with her 11 yr old MacBook as all her photos are locked up in some app called photos and the only way to transfer is via export or upload to icloud…and it keeps stuffing up or stopping… says it is finished but only empty folders in the portable drive and on icloud. I never knew how crippling it could be without such a basic feature. It's like injuring your thumb or big toe. You don't realise how essential it is until you lose the function of it. She's even taken it to the apple store and they said that's all she can do, and to keep trying.

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        Tell her to look into Google drive

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          Seriously though will it upload any better? If anyone can help on this please PM me, so I don't clog up this post with unrelated things. We have been trying for the past week to get the photos of the MacBook Pro. She just tried icloud again. From last night to just now it's been uploading. She's on NBN. She said it just finished and checked…and all its done again is upload empty folders. There's about 100gb of photos. She has the paid version of icloud with more than enough storage. We tried a wd drive, and it said the process of exporting was going to take 9 days!!

          • +2 votes

            @Sammyboy: Try this (sorry, I assume you don't know UNIX):

            • Open Photos app
            • Choose Photos menu
            • Select / choose Preferences
            • Click the Show in Finder button
            • Pictures folder with Photos Library should pop up
            • Right click (or double finger click touchpad) Photos Library and choose Open With, then Terminal
            • Note: the next step is case sensitive (i.e. capital M)
            • In the terminal, type: cd Masters
            • Note: the next step/command has a dot (.) at the end, that is essential.
            • Next, still in terminal type: open .
            • If all that works, every single folder in there needs to be copied to a portable hard drive. Normally, you would see the year (i.e. 2019, 2018, 2017) at the first level.

            You should navigate inside some of those folders and check first, but that's how Apple organise photos.

            Good luck.

      • +1 vote

        Has she tried "Show Package Contents" when right clicking and highlighting Photos? This is sort of like the explore function in Windows explorer. Essentially you are seeing 1 icon but usually the files/folders are inside.

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          I'm not familiar with Mac's and she is the usual basic user that knows how to turn it on, open an app, browse the net, watch netflix and turn it off. You know…all the valid pro's of why Mac is better than pc lol

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        Is this a once off rare problem? I thought people bought Macs because they're so easy to use?

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          If you are happy to stay in Apple's ecosystem (Time Machine, Migration Assistant, iCloud), then you don't have to worry about it. Even so, if you don't use time machine regularly or you don't sync your photos to iCloud, when your hard drive or SSD gone bye bye, then you will lose all your photos, videos (happened a family friend of mine).

          How often do people actually backup their photos stored on their iPhones? The 5GB free iCloud is not enough, so if you want backup all the photos on iCloud, then you will need to pay Apple for that.

          It's easy to tease Apple users on this, but unless you backup your photos and important files regularly, you will suffer the pain when your key hard drive or SSD fails (a good friend had to pay $2000 to recover files on his NAS HDD). Time Machine and Migration Assistant are good features.

  • +4 votes

    now, that is what i call a piece of shit.

  • +2 votes

    As a full stack developer, I love MAC OS but really hate the current gen donglebook. Luckily my company provides me a working MAC. 3k+ for 256gb ssd storage definitely not good deal

  • +2 votes

    I hate macs, but that's just me. While they definitely have good build quality you can get a cheaper thinkpad with Linux. As a programmer, I would choose A thinkpad+Linux anyday

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    Get Surface Book 2 instead

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    I don't get why people just come here to hate on apple. Obviously, the lot doesn't have a successful or worthwhile career otherwise they would value the importance of something that works and doesn't break on a constant basis. Anyways, I am buying this macbook pro because my XPS 13 and surface pro 5 is garbage and my main macbook pro is 6 years old and is outdated. At least the macbook isnt 3k which i wasted buying two shit laptops.

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      "I don't get why people just come here to hate on apple"
      "I am buying this macbook pro because my XPS 13 and surface pro 5 is garbage"

      Funny how you comment on people hating on Apple then hate on Dell and Microsoft yourself.

      Buy what makes you happy. Just because others or myself wouldn't doesn't mean you shouldn't.

      You're not going to change our minds just as we can't change yours.

      All the best.

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        I’m open to ideas hence buying the other laptop brands. Except they disappointingly slower than a 6 year old MacBook. Most apple haters never even bought apple products and purely basing it on specs.

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