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      • +9

        Bloomberg has an article about it for quick read. Australia got some very economical coal mines, but this is not.

      • +10

        Killing the planet for a free t-shirt isn't a very good deal

  • +2

    Just waiting to modify my one when it arrives. Now you know what I support.

    • +1

      To polish your gun collection barrels?

      • +1

        Free rags! If it were white we'd be able to tie-dye some goodies!

  • +13

    No need to buy rags to cleanup anymore. #NotSpreadingAdani

  • +3

    This will make great pajama tops as I wouldn't wear them outside the house

    • +2

      Or motivational shirts for procastinistic girl named Adani.

    • +13

      Let me fix that up for you: “Selfish conservative redneck here”. There ain’t nothing liberal about the Liberals

    • +8

      Because the common liberal voter hasn't figured out dial up yet? We'll never need more than 56k baud!

    • +8

      Yeh because old people just dont give an ass as they will be dead when the planet is dead

    • -1

      I've seen babies that cry less than the left. Boohoo

      • +2

        Bit ironic considering this is your second comment complaining about the exact same thing.

        Let it go mate.

      • +1

        Destroying the planet to "own the libs." Conservatism in a nutshell

  • +28

    My taxes pay for billions in corporate welfare and all I got was this lousy T shirt.

    • -5

      My taxes pay for billions in social welfare and all this country got was a bunch of bums who would rather milk welfare than work. FTFY

    • +6

      This… it's not a bargain when so much of OUR money is paying for this

  • +11

    This really is a shirt that you can only privately wear in your house. Imagine wearing this shirt out and everyone comes and slaps your face.

  • +26

    Shorting the future of our planet is no bargain

    • Yep, but having kids is scientifically a selfish and short sighted strain on the planet. The best thing the left can do to show their commitment is to reduce overpopulation by not having kids. That's the science.

      • +3

        So if everyone stops having kids, what then?

        • -3

          At least the hypocrisy ends. Most people talking about the future are selfishly and with entitlement thinking of their carbon producing kids.

      • +7

        That's already occurring in Australia. Australia needs a total fertility rate of 2.1 to sustain it's population. In 2017, Australia's total fertility rate was 1.74. Without immmigration Australia's population would be shrinking.

        • Not with respect to carbon output, which is cumulative.

        • +1

          If anybody needs Free sperm, holla @ me.

      • +4

        That's the plot of the movie, Idiocracy. Those who know better, stopped breeding, those who don't, multiplied.

      • +4

        I probably won't have kids. There are plenty of kids in need of a family for adoption, I'm open to that.

    • That would have made a great campaign slogan for the Libs.

  • +2

    What do we want
    free t-shirts
    when do we want them
    nowww

  • +1

    StartAdani

    they shoud be calling #RACQ

    What size shirt do they come in? the Queensland XXXXL would make a great toilet mat.

  • +1

    Moral police forcing their views on others is what costed the Left this election.

    If you're going to neg a free t-shirt and scream hyperbole about how the planet will die because people wanted jobs, that's just doubling down on the ethos that turns people away from your cause - not towards it.

    • +15

      At this point we in the scientific and engineering community don't care what scientifically illiterate people think… this issue should never have been politicised. It's not a cause, it's a robust science.

    • +12

      This single event alone won't kill the planet but it adds to the damage of it and to the damage of the great barrier reef. Just because you don't want it to be true doesn't make it not true unfortunately.

    • +11

      If you're entire politic views and opinions are based on "sticking it tho the other side" then you might want to rethink your entire life.

      • +2

        "Oh but the greens/looney lefties are so arrogant"

    • +1

      Do they want new jobs, or other coal miners' jobs?
      http://www.tai.org.au/content/adani-s-automated-mine-risks-j…

      From the cover page:

      “If Australia wants a just transition for our coal workers then the worst thing we can do is to open up new mines that proponents plan to automate ‘from pit to port’,” said Rod Campbell, Director of Research at The Australia Institute.
      “Put simply, new mines, in new coal basins, destroy jobs in existing coal regions.
      “Building new coal mines in the Galilee Basin would reduce the overall coal workforce by between 2,680 and 5,800 mine workers in the coming decades.

      From the report:

      Industry analysts Wood Mackenzie modelled the effects of Galilee Basin production on
      other coal mining regions – the Hunter Valley, Bowen Basin and Surat Basin. They
      estimate that Galilee Basin production of 150 million tonnes per year would reduce
      coal volumes in other areas by 116 million tonnes in 2035 relative to a baseline
      scenario with no Galilee Basin development.

      This isn't moral police, this is economists doing modelling on what Galilee coal production will do to existing coalfields staffed by people who also want jobs.

      And yeah, whatever humans will do will not match what happened 65 million years ago with the asteroid that wiped out 3/4 of all plant and animal species, ending the 165 million year reign of the dinosaurs. Something of that scale is going to happen again sooner or later. The planet didn't die last time, just most of what was on it. And new life evolved to fill the gaps.

      Environmentalism is a human concern. The planet doesn't give a stuff, and humanity will be lucky to live anywhere near as long as the dinosaurs.
      The real question is how degraded you want the world to be for your grandkids, and how we'd like to be remembered by our descendants.

  • +1

    "OMG coal is so bad.." hang on, i've just driven 300 meters (In my 6 litre off road
    vehicle that i might need one day but now drive 8 kms a day to the office though i could take PT) to pick up my new phone and tv because my other ones are a year old. <drinks milkshake with a plastic straw>

    • +7

      There are better alternatives, new generation natural gas power plants operate at 60% efficiency. Coal is dirty, inefficient and powerplants become obsolete within 20yrs.

    • Strawman much?

      Anyone can dream up an unpleasant hypocritical person, and mock that caricature. It doesn't make them exist.

      Congratulations for winning Comment Most Like A Ben Garrison Cartoon.

  • +24

    1500 jobs for Indians on short term work Visas versus 65,000 Barrier Reef tourism jobs

    • +7

      This. Not really Indians, more so all the old white bags that voted Liberal in QLD

      • +2

        AI trucks and machinery

    • -6

      Shows how informed you are how is there 65k jobs at the Barrier Reef which is roughly half dead . Australia can stop it by being green , will also stop China's 27 X our emission's as well I guess .

      • +11

        Lets kill the other half with uneconomical coal projects subsidised by the taxpayer for some Qld votes.

  • +1

    Carbon capture and storage is the only way to ensure the local coal economy and employment, without impacting the climate crisis.

    No CCS no coal please.

  • +9

    the only ones potentially getting a bargain are the corporate welfare leeches at adani

  • +2

    I haven’t seen such hostility in the comments since the gun deals. Or perhaps the religious material ones.

  • +9

    Adani is employing Indians. Not Australians.

    • -7

      Indians are people too you racist

      • +11

        How is that racist? Australians should be doing Australian jobs, not cheap imports from another country.

        • -5

          How dare you call Indian people "cheap imports"… I never thought I would see such closemindedness here on OzBargain.

  • +24

    I honestly don't care enough to get involved… but.. thought I'd do it anyway:

    Plan is for a 10m ton per year mine, rising to 20mtpa

    Galilee coal is ~5,000kcal/kg NAR — about the same as Indonesian Envirocoal which currently sells for $66/ton before shipping costs (at a time when thermal coal prices are at multiyear highs)

    So your revenue is ~$660m in the first stage

    What are the mining costs? Adani doesn't say but BHP's Mt Arthur, a ~20mtpa in the better-located Hunter Valley run by one of the most efficient miners in the world, does $46/ton. So that's ~$460m a year on mining costs, leaving $200m/year left over.

    But wait! You have to build the mine and a railway first. Again Adani are rubbery on the numbers but the best estimate from the unofficial figures they've put out for the scaled-down project are $1.5bn for the mine and $1.5bn for the railway.

    So that's $3bn.

    Adani owns Abbot Point port, which is a project with a guaranteed customer (Glencore). Its bonds on this yield about 7% which is a good proxy for what they'd pay for the Carmichael project.

    7% of A$3bn is US$140m of interest each year.

    So we're down to $60m of profit. But wait! The railway they're building only gets you halfway to the coast. They'd have to pay Aurizon for the remaining distance which ballpark comes to about $6/ton on 10mtpa of product.

    The project is now not making a cent of profit.

    WAIT! You also have to amortize the loan principal, and depreciate your A$3bn/US$2bn capital asset. Hard to see how accountants would allow a depreciation schedule longer than 30 years and you'd have to amortize over — guessing here — ~10.

    That puts you an extra ~$260m the hole. Adani is losing $26 on every ton it digs up. More if coal prices fall from their current highs.

    If the output rises to 20mtpa this maths improves, sorta. You have $400m of gross profit. But then subtract the $140m in interest, $260m in D&A and now $120m to Aurizon and you're still losing $6/ton.

    And the plan is to self-fund the expansion to 20mtpa, which clearly doesn't work because the 10mtpa mine is already losing money so can't self-fund a chook raffle.

    • +4

      Don't forget the government subsidies!

      Lets face it the people who want this mine are short sighted who cant embrace the fact that their coal jobs won't be there in 20 years time. They don't give two shits if the economics of the project make no sense or if it comes at the cost of the environment as long as they can delay the inevitable.

      But if QLD wants to destroy their biggest tourist attraction that facilitates thousands of long term jobs and supercharge climate change then so be it

    • +1

      Great analysis Simmo.

      Isn't Adani's mine the tip of the mining iceberg in the Galilee region. The real aim is to put in tax-payer funded rail/port infrastructure for the true beneficiary- Gina Rinehart's Hancock joint Alpha venture with another Indian company GVK, and also to benefit Clive Palmer who has interests there.
      A total of 9 mines have been proposed in the region, five of which would be among the biggest in the world, producing up to 330 million tonnes of coal a year, more than doubling the amount of coal Australia exports, releasing potentially 700 million tonnes of carbon dioxide when burned.

  • +25

    Not negging this because I strongly dislike Adani or am a greenie (I don't know enough on the topic), disliking this as these shirts with Adani printed on them are almost immediately landfill - less than 5% of people who claim them will actually wear them.

    • +6

      Agreed

    • +6

      Actually, my dog would love one. Good timing too as he's already ripped Palmer's hat to pieces.

      • +1

        He'd be the only doggie around game enough to wear one lol. 🐶 RSPCA where are you?

  • +31

    First neg in six years. It's not free if it costs the Earth.

    • +15

      The ultimate price.

    • +9

      Similar here

    • +8

      Perfectly said!

    • -1

      You should neg all freebie deals then.

      • +5

        Failing to see the logic here.

        • Anything advertised as free does have environmental cost

    • +4

      Same. First neg ever.

  • +5

    Apparently the carmichael mines are not feasible and there are economically better alternatives.

    If so that is great, can someone put that forward as an option to all those qlders depending on adani for their livelihoods? I.e. employees, suppliers, subbies, business that benefit from having adani setup shop in town, council, state/fed govt. More of a win win than the current route we are taking. Good for environment and good for people.

    • +7

      Government can pay them to dig holes in the ground and fill them back in. Just as economically nonviable at a fraction of the environmental cost!

      • +5

        That's seriously not a bad idea actually. If people just want jobs regardless of the costs, QLD government can just hire them to dig harmless holes. The jobs will be more sustainable safer and healthy for QLD people.

      • +1

        Lol
        Seriously that's the best idea we've got? As bad as coal can be, at least it sets up businesses down stream with electricity so they can manufacture or service and employ.. and get the cogs of the economy turning
        Perhaps something more constructive (albeit ill thought out) such as oodles and oodles of solar panels??

        • +3

          Not all coal mines have the same economics. Australian economy is doomed if we need such an inferior mine to turn its cogs.

          • +1

            @nfr: Im assuming india needs it more than us? I.e. long term energy security > short-medium term economic cost

            Back to my point. can we put in a better alternative money making scheme in qld than adani and smarter than digging up/filling in useless holes in the ground. That is both good for people and good for environment.

            • +3

              @inamberclad: For India, there are cleaner and cheaper coal mines if they somehow need coal for "long term" energy security.

              Obviously we can do better than simply digging holes, I was just agreeing with a less bad option.

  • +9

    Is a free shirt really worth all of your dignity? Who would wear this in public?

  • +4

    Leave the coal in the ground. It's not gonna lose value. Dig it up if it skyrockets in price

    • +5

      Actually it will lose value, this week BHP stated they'd be phasing out coal in the next 10 years or so. Others will likely follow

      Demand will drop massively, and value will drop accordingly.

      Hydrogen fuel ftw

  • +13

    Blatant trolling / shitposting

  • +4

    Adani Tshirts, cheaper than toilet paper and just as effective!

    • -1

      Are there free StopAdani T-Shirts? I might alternate.

      • I suppose you could just iron one on these?

      • +2

        Free stop Adani sticker packs, Free Greens bumper stickers and other similar deals were on OzBargain too apparently.

  • +11

    The court supported the proof that coal mines cause environmental damage: https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/we-won-lan…

    This is a 1 in a 100 case where a coal mine actually gets rejected but I'm hoping it's a catalyst for more similar outcomes throughout the world.
    Coal mines in Australia aren't making that big of a negative impact to our health and environment but they're still contributing to it. For the sake of the environment I will not support your coal mines with free supporter propaganda.

  • +8

    Tempted to order just so it there's a negative financial impact on them.

    • +2

      Wouldn't the carbon used on producing and transporting the products effect your stance :)

    • +2

      It won't have much effect in this scale.
      They probably paid child labour to produce these.

  • +11

    I have a strong feeling that this will be the most negged deal on Ozbargain.

    • +9

      Lets hope it gets to that point.

      • +1

        Curious, what is the most negged "deal" now anyway?

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