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AMD Ryzen 5 3600x $350.10 + Delivery (Free with eBay Plus) @ Computer Alliance eBay
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This is Ryzen 5 btw
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Great price.( For launch ) you get the better cooler and higher base clock vs the 3600 non X :)
how does the cooler look differently?
from X and non X version?I thought X version normally did not come with a cooler
X versions in AMD come with a beefier cooler.
You are thinking of K vs non-K from Intel, where they charge you just to unlock the CPU and don't even provide a cooler.For AMD, y600 vs y600x will be wraith stealth vs wraith spire (same cooler but +25mm height for more heatsink)
for 2700 vs 2700x, you get a wraith spire vs wraith prism.
First gen Ryzen definitely didn't give you a cooler with the X models
But the stock cooler is rather loud (according to reviews) so you may not want it anyway
@AlgoTrading: I don't want nor need it since I've got an AIO which would be alot better anywayz. Will I get a further discount for the CPU for not wanting the
not-so-good bundled cooler?
As an mITX builder, I prefer the stealth, but the spire does look pretty cool.
The x parts will overclock maybe 0.2Ghz better with the improved cooling performance, which I don't think is great value but it is an improvement nonetheless.
I bought a 6700k a few years ago and that didn't even come with a cooler.
worth to upgrade from 1800x?
Quite noticeable, but again depends on your usage and what the rest of your build is.
x470 16g 3200 gtx1800 for gaming purpose
For gaming, yeah, it's worth it. You'll lose 2 cores, but the better single-threaded performance will help plenty.
@p1 ama: Help plenty for what though?
If he doesn't need the extra performance then it isn't worth it. If he's maxing out the games he's playing, or already getting decent performance - upgrading doesn't represent good value for money.
If he doesn't need the extra performance then it isn't worth it. If he's maxing out the games he's playing, or already getting decent performance - upgrading doesn't represent good value for money.
You can sell the Ryzen 1800X for ~$260 on eBay, so it's really a ~$90 upgrade to this 3600X, which is significantly better than the first-gen Ryzen parts.
The 1800X could push around 4.1 GHz with an average chip, maybe 4.2 GHz if you're lucky (I had a 1700X that couldn't get past 4.0 GHz), whereas some early reviews are saying the 3rd gen Ryzen chips can push up to 4.5 GHz. This is already a 10% improvement in clock, plus significant improvements in IPC will result in significantly better single-threaded performance.
For $90, I'd say it's a decent upgrade.
May be a generalisation but wouldn’t your gtx 1080 be the bottleneck in your system (assuming it is a mistype in your comment). I have a gtx 1080 and unless I dial visual settings down to potato mode my gpu is maxed out with plenty in room on my cpu (8600k). I’d check the games you play on afterburner to see what you are hitting first. May be a better investment to look into the new gpus coming out over next month if your cpu is not maxed out yet
I have a gtx 1080 and unless I dial visual settings down to potato mode my gpu is maxed out with plenty in room on my cpu (8600k).
Depends on the resolution, at 4K, then yes that's fair enough. However, plenty of people on 1080p 144 Hz on games like CS:GO where a 1080 can push those fps as long as it's paired with the right CPU.
Only for gaming. For regular workloads that use all cores, the 1800x is still faster.
Also depends on $$$. From a $$$ point of view, it's not worth the $200~ fee for the slight increase in gaming performance,
and definitely not worth it from a productivity perspective. You get a 20% single core performance boost for your $200.https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-vs-A…
Not enough to make it worth your while beyond gaming (and only just at 100-165 FPS targets)… wait for 3800X and 3950X price drops.
Yup much better single core performance and better multi despite losing 2 cores.
Which model is a decent upgrade from i7 2770? Previous generation Ryzen i was told not worth upgrading because single core performance was only slightly better.
Anything from 3600 onwards will be a huge difference. Again, depends on your usage.
No 3600 benchmark in CPU user benchmark site yet. So for now, based on reviews, for single core performance, i5-9600K is a rough equivalent of 3600. So it gets about 37% boost over i7-2700K (I cannot find i7-2770 so I picked i7-2700K). Do bear in mind that 3600 is much more powerful than 9600K in all multi-core apps so only look at single core (i.e. 37% boost). That i5 CPU simply blows 2700K away in multi threaded applications so 3600 is even better than that one in multi threaded apps.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-2700K-vs…
If you can squeeze a bit of budget, Ryzen 3700X is a better choice (even for single core - as it is pretty much in the top 5). However, if all you care about is just single core performance, then i7-9700K still beats 3700X (but only just and it draws more electricity than 3700X). 3700X is really the all round best buy right now assuming you have usage patterns to benefit from multi cores (but if all you do is Web browsing, then you don't really need to upgrade). The exceptions are hackintosh and nested virtualisation in Hyper-V (if those two are mandatory, then you are stuck with intel). You might be surprised that after 7 years, we only get close to 50% boost in single core. Maybe intel's 10nm will provide more single core boost.
thoughts on this vs a Ryzen 5 2600 at ~$200?
maybe 15% performance increase?
Looking to build a ~$750 gaming build. Money better spent for the graphics card?
If your budget is $750, definitely pocket the extra $150 and get a better GPU.
yeah gaming build will benefit more with a better gpu
than better cpu.
100% on this - I've been living on a FX 8320 (OC'd) but have just updated the GPU to keep up over the years.
Get the 2600. Or wait a little for price drop?
I'd sit tight and see what happens with Ryzen 3600 prices over the next week or so. I've spotted them for around $300 or so, which makes them $270 with the typical 10% off eBay. At $70 more than the 2600, I think it's a worthy buy.
Overall, yeah, if you're building a $750 gaming build, the Ryzen 5 2600 is fine. RX 580's are around $300 new, so you'd be looking at $250 for case, PSU, RAM, storage and motherboard. That said, for gaming at that budget, I'd also be looking seriously at the 9400F, also around $200 and will definitely push higher fps than the Ryzen 2600.
this is an awesome deal within your budget (box only), $737 after code is applied
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/techfastau/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1…
Ryzen 5 2600 with a GTX 1660 Ti is at least $550-600ish already
Comes with 120 ssd and 8gb ram but I guess you can slowly add upgrade when budget allows.
I'd suggest to opt for the A320 -> B350 mobo upgrade ($39) to allow for overclocking
Any 3700X deals?
Sold out in minutes. Already gone yesterday evening. I also missed out.
Search on eBay. There's one going for $487 delivered after coupon. CPL has it for $499 delivered at their store.
Damn it I just bought r5 3600 for $329 on centrecom before my mate msg me about this deal… rip
I'll give you $100 for the 3600 :P
I snagged a 3600 off eBay deal at $290. Manual OC and happy days!
Awesome - was about to pull the trigger on a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 build (cpu, ram and a mobo) but I got a 3600x for the same price with this.
Can't find much on the web on 3600x vs 3700x for a purely gaming PC. My video card is RTX 2070 OC
I would go the 3600x and put the difference toward your next GPU upgrade, whenever that may be.
i'll be sticking with my Ryzen 7 1700 (might try a bit harder to OC it) but I would pick the 3600 over the 3600X or 3700X to be honest. OC it manually for the same results and save some $$$ (which is what these awesome Ryzen chips are all about).
You get a pretty crap cooler with the 3600 so you’d need to go and buy a better cooler to overclock it. Also so far reviewers have said these aren’t great overclockers but that could change overtime with updates.
I wouldn't be using any of them with their stock coolers. It's disappointing that they've gone from putting no cooler with the X models to putting that lead brick wraith prism in. I'd rather they left it out and charged $20 less so you could spend the difference on a better cooler (even a basic 212 Evo would be better).
I thought the wraith prism is decent, just the stealth that's trash. This reviewer said the stock cooler is fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0uB17Io2is
As the other commenter has said the 3600X will likely suck at overclocking. These chips which are all built on the same chiplet are heavily binned. That is the chips has been tested at the factory with the better made chips going to the better parts. Ergo the parts are going to preform very close to where you would expect them to preform.
If you look at this review the 3600 (non-x) outperforms a 2700X. You can also see the impact of OC'ing the chip which the review specializes at.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3489-amd-ryzen-5-3600-…Interesting how much more voltage the 3600 needed to get to similar all-core frequencies than the 3700X and 3800X, although I think for general use having one of the 3600s at 4 or 4.1ghz on all cores would be plenty. Probably agree with Steve's assessment in that article too that one might be better off with a discounted Ryzen 7 2700 over a 3600.
I think OC'ing will become more viable as the 7nm process matures. Ryzen has definitely come quite far with OC'ing though - my first gen 1700X hit around 4 GHz, I was able to push it to 4.2 GHz on my 2700X, so I'm hoping that we can reach closer to 4.5 GHz with the 3rd generation chips, but I'm not too hopeful with current numbers.
Yep 1700X user here. Still can't justify an upgrade. It's a magnificent CPU
What sort of gaming uplift would I see going from my current 7700k @ 5ghz to Zen 2? Gaming at 1440p @ 165hz :)
Hefty overclocks seem to muddy the waters with Ryzen and Intel.
You'd probably see a drop in performance if anything. The 7700K is still an amazing chip for gaming. The overwhelming majority of games (not all, but most) won't be able to leverage more than your 4 cores anyway. So at 5 GHz, it's about as good as you can get. Have a look at some benchmarks with the sort of games you play and try and figure out if it's beneficial for your situation.
Thanks! I thought as much, haven't seen my CPU hit 99% util when gaming with a 1080ti. Guess the money stays in my Nvidia 7nm savings account.
Based on Gamers Nexus results, 3600 should beat 7700K @ 5.1 Ghz in average frame rate. 1% low and 0.1% low, an O/C 7700K does still come up on top for 1440p gaming. So this would be a sidegrade, rather than an upgrade.
7700K @ 5.1 Ghz + 1080Ti is a very sensible combination (assuming you bought the 1080Ti at a bargain price). Even RTX 2070 Super / RTX 2080 cannot fully beat it in some games. It looks like Ryzen 3xxx series basically bridge the single core gap to intel 9th gen CPU (though the top intel 9th gen CPUs still come up on top, though only just).
Ryzen 3xxx series CPUs are quite attractive, but X570 board, a latest gen m.2 SSD and new graphics card to take advantage of one of those CPUs will cost quite a lot.
I wouldn't call that an upgrade.
So it doesn't seem like X570 makes much sense for anything up to and including 3700x, but I can't seem to find any info on Zen 2 memory support with X470/B450 motherboards. Manufacturers don't seem to have updated motherboard product specs to reflect Zen 2 memory support specs. Does anyone know if X470/B450 is getting native 3200mhz support or is the improved memory support only going to be present on X570?
If we still have to buy B-die memory to hit good decent memory speeds this will greatly erode any savings of buying a X470/B450 motherboard. Imo this is a pretty big issue that no one seems to have addressed so far.
If you want to get optimal performance, then DDR4-3600 is the best choice (though AMD indicated if you were to use DDR4-3200, the performance difference is at most still single digit (in percentage)). According to https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_X470-P…, Asus' X470 Pro already supports DDR4-3600.
AnandTech used Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3200 when testing 3700X, rather than DDR4 3600. Don't think that one has B-die memory. Another issue with X470/B450 boards is that unless you get one of those motherboards which support BIOS upgrade without CPU, you will need an old CPU or pay retailer some $$$ to do the BIOS upgrade.
The biggest selling point for X570 is probably PCIe x4 Gen4 M.2 storage support, but the SSD would cost a fair amount. If you want to go for the 16 core option, then X570 is a safer option. Most review sites will be testing with X570 because manufacturers will be providing them with those (MB makers prefer you buying a X570 board).
Sorry, let me clarify. Say for the motherboard you linked, the current maximum native memory support on Ryzen 2xxx is only 2666, all higher speeds aren't guaranteed and are quoted as OC speeds. If you look at the product specs on Asus website:
"AMD Ryzen™ 2nd Generation Processors
4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3600(O.C.)/3466(O.C.)/3200(O.C.)/3000(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2800(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz Un-buffered Memory"Yes it is supposed to support 3200mhz (and above) but Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen has suffered from a lot of compatibility issues. Say I purchased a non b-die 3200 kit, it will most likely not be able to boot at 3200mhz with the tested timings. If I'm lucky it will work at 3000mhz.
Zen 2 is meant to supposed to have a better memory controller and hence better memory support. If you look at X570 motherboard specs most will have something like this:
"AMD Ryzen series CPUs (Matisse) support DDR4 4666+(OC) / 4400(OC) / 4300(OC) / 4266(OC) / 4200(OC) / 4133(OC) / 3466(OC) / 3200 / 2933 / 2667 / 2400 / 2133 ECC & non-ECC, un-buffered memory"
3200mhz support is native, meaning any 3200mhz memory is likely to work fine. A B-die 16GB kit can cost up to $150 more than a standard kit, so this can be a factor when deciding between X570 or X470/B450. My question is whether X470/B450 is also going to get better support when using Zen 2. As I understand it the memory controller is on the CPU, so it could be as simple as a BIOS update. However no vendors have updated their X470/B450 product specs for Zen 2 and I can't find any info regarding this online.
Read my comment further down for the TechPowerUp's review of X470 vs X570. They did pick MSI for the X470, which is known to be using better parts for the VRM. Anyway, the performance difference is less than 1% between X470 and X570 - that's with DDR4-3200. Unless these CPUs perform something unreal at DDR4-3600, I doubt much will change with 3600.
DDR4 3777 is the last 1:1 memory so anything above that runs 2:1 - basically not worth it as performance drops in most cases (although there are certain cases where those faster memory can still be quicker).
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-390…AMD also indicated that they have improved 3xxx series CPUs to have better memory compatibility. Realistically, it is up to the motherboard vendors. How many BIOS updates are they still willing to provide for X470 to tackle these issues?
The CPUs just got released, it's too early to tell.
Mate, wanting a definitive answer on the memory situation on X470 for the Ryzen 3xxx CPU right now is unrealistic. Besides, unless I can find an article which tests every single memory module type you are interested in, you are not going to accept any other answer and info.
AMD did indicate they improved the memory support situation, but why would they state otherwise for their latest CPUs.
TechPowerUp did use B-die 3200. So X470 B-die vs X570 B-die, the difference is less than 1%. You know the memory controller is on CPU, so why would the chipset plays such a big part? If you want to believe the performance will drop off significantly without B-die, then get B-die.
Based on AMD's chart (and Anandtech posted it on the page 2 of their review - I linked above), DDR4 3600 suppose to be the sweat spot in memory performance - according to AMD. That's what I am more interested in. Could 3200 B-die beat 3600 (is that AMD chart a total BS for Ryzen 3xxx series)? Also, why are reviewers using DDR4-3200 right now? Honestly, if you are considering X470 to pair with Ryzen 3xxx series, cost is obviously an issue so what's the rush?
@netsurfer: I understand you're trying to help by providing information but you're missing the point entirely. I didn't ask anything about performance concerns between X470 and X570, I've seen numerous tests on those already. I didn't mention anything about 3600mhz memory nor am I asking for a list of compatible memory.
I'm merely wondering if X470/X450 motherboards will be able to take advantage of the better memory compatibility of Zen 2.
There's every reason motherboard manufacturers should have made this clear on launch, as X570 is clearly targeted at enthusiasts and most consumers getting a 3600x or 3700x are better off with X470/B450. Wanting to know whether the new CPU's features are going to be supported on an older motherboard seems pretty reasonable to me, especially since they already made clear that pcie 4.0 isnt coming to X470/B450.
@ls123: You just keep on refusing my answers. That's the thing. Anandtech article talked abut it. AMD indicated that's the case (new CPU's memory controller is better - the controller is one of the chiplet). You also stated the memory controller is on the CPU.
You do care about performance. If you don't, just get the cheapest memory. You need to be sensible here. I already provided info that DDR4-3600 is the sweat spot according to AMD. And, come on mate, seriously, if you are going to spend money on DDR4 4666, you certainly can afford to buy X570.
The answer is basically: BIOS update is required (M/B maker needs to open up those settings), the memory controller is on the CPU.
The real questions you need to ask is whether you want the NVMe PCIe x4 4.0 dedicated bandwidth support for your primary storage device. Sure, PCIe x16 4.0 graphics card support is nice, but honestly, by the time a graphics card can take that bandwidth, we would already have way better CPUs. Unless AMD is willing to support the socket for another 3 gen (doubtful), other than the storage benefit (again, how many of us REALLY need that type of storage speed right now), rest of X570 are just marketing. Besides, Intel is hyping PCIe 5.0 for their next gen chipset. More USB 3.1 gen 2 ports might sound good, but I have multiple devices which support Thunderbolt 3 already.
@netsurfer: Holy crap man you need to relax. I definitely did not refute anything you've said so far, but absolutely nothing you've stated so far is actually relevant to what I'm asking.
I appreciate the effort but everything I'm saying is clearly going over your head, I'm out sir.
@ls123: Even with the new cpus better controller, I'd imagine we'll still be limited by the older boards. Anecdotal, but my X470-F / 2700X can't boot ram past 3200 despite the ram being 3466 - even with 1.5v/C20+
But we won't know for sure until people start testing.
@ls123: If you really go by official motherboard maker's recommendation, Asrock is recommending only populate 2 slots (out of 4) on a X570 motherboard if you use DDR4-3200:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-memory…
So, it doesn't look like motherboard makers are willing to state X570 is going to solve all your memory problem. Not officially.
Ask yourself this: If you get X570 with Ryzen 2xxx series CPU, does the memory problem go away?
X470 and X570 with Ryzen 3xxx series CPUs tested with DDR4-3200 and yet that's not good enough for you. If you are so concerned about AMD screwing up memory support yet again, then get X570.
@ls123: The fastest combo tested so far on X470 by a reviewer I can find is:
Ryzen 9 3900X, X470, 4400Mhz
If you care about memory overclock, then go X570.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45fQaCl9WlA
If you want to overclock memory, DDR4 4200 is probably the max you can expect from X470, I know the guy did reach 4400, but another reviewer only reached 4200. X570, DDR4 4600 is a possibility. Honestly, if we are talking about >4000 DDR4 memory modules, if you can afford those, you would be silly not to go for X570.
I am more concerned about VRM quality on the cheaper X470 and B450 boards, all the okay ones (with decent VRM) do cost more. And, I am just looking at ones enough for 3700X CPU. It looks like I have to spend more on motherboard alone (and I am talking about B450) compared to my last intel based board, H370 and that one has more m.2 slots, 2 USB 3.1 gen 2, NGFF wifi slot.
TechPowerUp did test X470 vs X570, at stock, for 3700X, X470 is tiny bit faster, but once you use AMD PBO or overclock a bit, X570 is quicker, but the difference in all 3 sets of test for 3700X is less than 1% (margin of error type difference).
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-3900x-3700x-tes…
I don't get this insisting on the new X570 chipset somehow provides way better memory support, especially based on how these CPUs are created and what AMD indicated. In the Anandtech article, they wrote:
Furthermore the chiplet design with the introduction of the cIO die which houses the new memory controllers are undoubtedly going to have an impact on the memory latency and performance of the overall chip.
On the memory controller side particularly, AMD promises a wholly revamped design that brings new support for a whole lot faster DDR4 modules, with the chip coming by default categorized as supporting DDR4-3200, which is a bump over the DDR-2933 support of the Ryzen 2000 series.
X570 is about: (1) MB makers putting even better VRM in anticipation for 32 cores CPUs (2) PCIe Gen 4 (3) m.2 SSD with Gen 4 SSD (inc. one port to take advantage of the extra dedicated x4 gen4 NVMe SSD - instead of coming out of the remaining PCIe x16) (4) More USB 3.1 gen 2 ports - and no longer use Asmedia chipset - which would address those security issue. It really comes down to how much you want that extra bandwidth for the m.2 SSD - and surely you would be using both m.2. slots but you would put your fastest one on the dedicated slot. Of course, if you want a MB to run 32 cores in the future, you should go with X570 (even 16 cores, you would really need a top notch X470 so might as well go X570). (5) Ready to go for Ryzen 3xxx series - no BIOS update required. Sure, retailers will upgrade the BIOS for you if you don't have an old CPU for X470, but some don't do it on the spot (so you need come back and pick it up after a few hours) and some charge you a fee (even if you purchase both CPU and MB from them).
We've been given no indication that 32 core CPUs will be coming to X570 or AM4. AM4 lifetime is until 2020, meaning you're gunning on 7nm+ (A relatively minor density/efficiency improvement) doubling current core counts again even though Zen 2 already has major thermal issues.
32 cores will be reserved for Threadripper until further notice. That being said you're right in that motherboard's shouldn't have much impact on memory compatibility, since that's almost entirely down to a CPU's IMC and the memory you pair it with.
All this memory discussion to encode stuff with 7zip 5% faster, you know your always doing that and get 2 extra FPS in exchange for spending 200$ to 800% on faster memory.
Makes zero sense to me, I'd spend it on GPU and/or CPU.
Okay, I've done a bit of checks on MSI Web site. MSI published the memory QVL for their older motherboards (e.g. B450) as well as X570, and you can choose 3rd gen Ryzen. Here is my observation:
- If you want to stick with MSI B450 boards, the memory situation is basically list, if you go for 2 modules, then assuming you pick a decent brand, you can get DDR4-3200. However, if you want 4 modules and you still want DDR4-3200, it's pretty much B-die, or some very limited Samsung and Micron ones (but they are more special exceptions). You can still get 4 DDR4-3200 non B-die to run, but they will have to run at DDR4-3000 mode.
- B-die isn't guaranteed to be safe (for MSI B450), there is a particular brand that MSI board simply doesn't like and if you get that brand's B-die memory, you are simply wasting money as the end result is the same.
- X570 boards, if we go by MSI QVL, brings two things: (1) if you want to go for 4 modules non b-die DDR4-3200, then there is now a much higher chance you can do that with X570 board. However, once you go above DDR4-3200. (2) higher frequency memory support (though pretty much most of them are Samsung B die ones, and MSI won't vouch for 4 modules in most of them).
Basically, check the QVL before you buy RAM modules and if you do plan on buying 4 modules, do bear in mind in the AMD world, it's not that simple, and RAM quality plays a part.
Shopping Express ebay have the Ryzen 7 3700X for $503.10
I guess its better the RRP. Free postage if you sign up to Ebay plus for the free trail.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-3-60-GHz-8-Cor…
it shows 480 as 10% off
darn, already out of stock…
There are more from other sellers at the same price
Can’t wait for Techfast deals on these systems
FYI Ryzen 3600x is a 5, not 7 (as per title)