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Free - Michael Moore Presents: Planet of The Humans | Full Documentary @ YouTube
I thought Bowling for Columbine was good
I recently watched Fahrenheit 11/9 which is also very good. Just when you think you can't hate Trump any more, watch Fahrenheit 11/9 and then you will!
hmmm seems ozbargain admins are 'left' judging by the banished comments and leaving the 'hate trump' comments lol
@jt0505t: you must be new here.
I thought it was very good too. Subsequently I learned it's not the most honest documentary by any stretch.
I find Moore entertaining (i found The Awful Truth quite good) but he's a zealot and an entertainer. He's not a maker of honest documentaries.
Still, better than Super Size Me.
Looking back, the 2000s really loved a good bullshit doco.
Here what seems like an at least decently fact-based review on Planet of the Humans: https://ketanjoshi.co/2020/04/24/planet-of-the-humans-a-rehe...
"From Michael Moore’s Twitter:…"
To me it appears a negative brigade has flicked to the site.
That is as they do!
@Villainous: It's almost as if 'they' don't want us to watch the movie as it may run contrary to their narrative. So they go to their playbook of character assignation, cherry pick some irrelevant hypocrisy, sprinkle in some emotive social proof, then add some misdirection.
Maintain the status quo! The right shout, as the obedient workers keep getting shafted by the gritting rich.
@poboy: I laugh, they cry. The universe is in balance
@poboy: I'm sure the irony of that comment is lost on you…
Margaret Pomeranz rated this movie 2 stars baseball caps.
I recommend watching “Sicko”, healthcare in USA is terrifying
And that's the future that Australia is barrelling towards as fools vote for more privatisation every election by voting Labor and Liberal.
Labor is fighting against privatisation you centrist
Except for the times when they're all for it, yes.
CBA and Qantas were both privatised under the Hawke-Keating Labor government. They pretty much brought the principals of neoliberalism to the Australian economy.
by voting Liberal, you mean. Don't muddy the waters.
Do you think he should have shown some patients who were allowed to remain in hospital, to counterbalance the showing of the patients that were kicked out onto the street?
Can you share some of your sources? Would like to have a look
Watch "The Corporation". There are many documentaries made to warn people, but at the end they just get forgotten.
"I recommend you do some research and you'll find out that like his other movies he only presents the information that supports his views."
I have family in the US and their health care is far from good. While Michael may want to make a sale on his movies, that Sicko is not just a fiction.
One can happily hold the view that the US healthcare system is broken and still acknowledge that Sicko contains numerous distortions and untruths.
Every correction to Sicko doesn't defend the current system. It just changes the what and why of what's wrong.
Or just acknowledges that Moore favours entertainment and persuasion over accuracy.
You mean the ethical values of the producers is terrifying.
The US medical system is the best in the world. Sure, it doesn't extend to every person in the country, but if you have cover, the service is the best you can get.
The only objective criterion on which the US performs well is cancer survival rates. Otherwise, the performance of their health system is mediocre.
For example, one of the problems they have is the extremely high degree of fragmentation. There are numerous public health bodies (Tricare, VA, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, etc etc) and a huge number of private players and the systems of information sharing do not work particularly well. Mistakes get made, things get done twice, you have to explain things a lot. The advantage of a purist single payer system like the NHS is that everything is under the one roof.
My personal experience of the American system is that the care is quite good, by and large, but the bureaucracy is insufferable and the costs are very high.
Probably the best health care I ever experienced was in Dubai. Everything was new and kept spotlessly clean by roving bands of Indians and Filipinos. Superb level of care, the most solicitous nurses I have ever encountered. The whole thing is underpinned by migrants working in slave-labour conditions, of course, but the hospitals there are way better than anything you would encounter in the US.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you have said - but health care is more than just how clean the hospital is.
What country leads the world in advancing new health technologies and techniques?
Where do the super-wealthy who have their choice go for rare and highly specialised procedures?
By wearing the higher costs the USA has subsidised the rest of the world in pioneering medical technologies.
Sure, but for countries that have abolished slavery, the US still offers the best care.
Also worth noting is that most of the doctors in that Dubai hospital probably got their training in the US. There is a reason for that.
Yes if it wasn’t for those cancer survival rates….
Look, if you have a private health system you will get more advanced outcomes but demand is managed by price.
If you have a public health system you get broader access but demand is managed by queues.
While I wouldn’t want to depend only on a US based system I would not want to depend on an NHS style system either.
Australia, with a bit of both, seems pretty good to me.
@entropysbane: The catch here is that the NHS and our Medicare system both benefit from the US system. Most of the medical innovations and improvements we benefit from comes out the US. That is often overlooked.
@1st-Amendment: That is true although I expect that is also Helped by the scale and the overall wealth of the USA. Imagine though if there were only NHS style systems. Actually it is pretty easy: it’s called the iron curtain. We would all have stainless steel filings in our teeth.
As I said, having both private and public health in the one system delivers better outcomes overall because the poor are looked after and you can have elective surgery prioritised.
I see triggered.
@Villainous: How about just answering the question? Which facts are you disputing?
@drmojo: My statements are that MM's films are biased views and not objective facts . Is he not politically biased?
Whether the filmaker is 'left' or 'right' biased it doesn't matter but don't present your film as objective fact if so.
Because MM is left and you also are so, you seem to have a problem with with my statement. Do you jump in when i critique someone on the other side?
@Villainous: Fun fact, all documentaries are biased in one way or the other, it’s what we teach at high school. We used his Supersize Me doco as a case study on the topic for critical analysis.
I don’t have a problem with your statement per se, but at least be prepared to be called out to back up your assertions. I have not seen this documentary yet but was genuinely interested to hear what facts MM portrays that you dispute.
If you are not here to discuss the actually deal or the product, why comment at all?
@drmojo: " Fun fact, all documentaries are biased in one way or the other, it’s what we teach at high school"
Good to know you are teaching bias to our kids. Another plus to the current home schooling.
"…be prepared to be called out to back up your assertions."
If I was to say Mcdonalds is junk food, do you really require me to provide proof on the matter? I'll prepare myself then.
"If you are not here to discuss the actually deal or the product, why comment at all?"
I am discussing the deal. It's just that you are trying to drag me into the corner that I am not fighting.
A company is to their products as a director is to their films. All are open to critique and discussion.
If another user posted a deal about any product on this site and then any other user shared their experience or knowledge about that company, is that not alowed in your view? Do we need your bias in all posts?
"We used his Supersize Me doco as a case study…"
And hate to tell ya but Supersize me was not one of his films.
@drmojo: @drmojo Supersize Me was Morgan Spurlock, not Michael Moore. This is a worry if you teach this and don't know this.
@1st-Amendment: You are correct. I always confuse the two for some reason or other… I taught it for a term as a pre-service teacher in a non-teaching area of mine.
@Villainous: I second the other commenter. What facts are you disputing? Or are you just obsessed with the ‘left’ needing to be wrong?
@blergmonkeys: Only the truth/fact is correct. Those who are so quick to dig their heels in the ground for their 'side' will always be wrong.
I will critique anyone on any 'side' if they are disingenuous.
Only the truth/fact is correct.
Only the truth/fact is correct.
Ahh, so you are biased against "alternative facts", and therefore a leftist!
@abb: Mate, you have misunderstood my position.
@Villainous: Nah mate, you have misunderstood my joke
@abb: Try a winky face next time
Right wingers never get triggered.
It is quite funny, isn't it.
Be prepared for the kind of right, but oversimplified to the point of being wrong version of reality.
Has anyone here actually watched it? Because you all seem to have a opinion about it.
"…Because you all seem to have a opinion about i̶t̶ the director. "
I also didn't watch any of the Star Wars prequels after the Phantom Menace. Was I mistaken in knowing what to expect in those also?
Is that a point? rebuttal?
Ah, this is the internet, how silly of me to expect that!
…this man does not speak for us!
so many deplorables in here tonight…
sup, and u thought that I was the one who was going to kill everyone ¯_(ツ)_/¯
"I see normal people… They know they're normal."
I don’t think this movie will please anyone:
“There were days where Germany was generating 80 percent of its power from solar,” said Mckibben. In reality, wind and solar provided just 34 percent of German electricity in 2019, and Germany relies upon burning natural gas, coal, and biogas from corn.”
It seems like they don't see the difference between days and an entire year.
plus the renewables money was exploited by organized crime
I just watched it.
It has some sensationalising as is normal but it presented some things that are worth considering.
I almost turned off at some of the exploitative visuals used but overall it came across as someone actually trying to find answers.
And we do need some answers. We aren't there yet.
you won't get any here
Even people in Michigan hate Michael "Millionaire" Moore. All you need to know about him.
Yeah but it's Michigan.
I'd rather sit with a regular person from Michigan and drink crappy Bud Light than sit in Michael Moore's mansion and talk with him while he stuffs twinkies down his throat.
Lucky for you I don't think he's going to invite you any time soon.
@caitsith01: Thank the Lord, it's probably because I'm a smelly poor person, I'd probably ruin the red carpets on the entrance of his mansion. Can't have that now can we?
@KARMAAA: So you don’t like him because he has money? I thought money was what the right worshiped? Or is it rather that you hate a person telling truthful information about how terrible the right is triggers you?
@blergmonkeys: No, he should make a documentary about Michael and expose him, since obviously karmaaa know all the facts.
@blergmonkeys: No I don't like him because he's a terrible person now. Also I've voted Labor all my life, so I dunno why you think I'm right wing lol. I just judge him by his actions and consdering he's spilled so much hate towards poor people like myself lately, he's lost me. His days of Fahrenheit 9/11 are long behind him, he's changed since he's got money. There's plenty of nice rich people, Michael Moore is just not one of them.
@KARMAAA: I’m obviously not up to date with these things. What has he done and said?
@blergmonkeys: Michael Moore: "Whitey is always the problem!"
Michael Moore: "We must cleanse the American soul of it's white male privilege, it's veracious greed and it's enforced ignorance, that has made a population of semi-literate and unaware people!"
Literacy in the U.S is at a rate of 99%. He's just racist against white people now.
Now do I agree with people who voted with Trump? No. But Michael Moore just hates on white people for the most benign things like because they don't vote for a candidate who happens to be Black, even if they're a Democrat voter who votes for a White or Asian candidate instead. Perhaps that person's policies aren't what the population wants, or because the person is less qualified and experienced than another individual, or maybe they're too young or some other reason. There's many factors that involve someone's vote, but not to Michael Moore, it's all race. In the very old early 2000's he was a good guy with some solid ground, but he made Fahrenheit 9/11, made lots of money off it and it got to his head and ego.
Now he just hates white people unless they vote for his party, and even then he hates them unless they vote for the specific candidate in his party that he likes. All round has just used his platform to hate on white people and lecture them about how they're wrong, talks about how all white people just need to be basically eliminated, and talks a lot without any practical solutions to the problems he's ranting about.
@KARMAAA: "Literacy in the U.S is at a rate of 99%."
Could you please provide a link to this "statistic"?
@Cheapskate Paul: Sure: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/lite...
@KARMAAA: Thanks for that.
"Adult literacy rate is the percentage of people ages 15 and above who can both read and write with understanding a short simple statement about their everyday life" is a pretty low bar and many countries achieve 99%.
This report https://nces.ed.gov/datapoints/2019179.asp paints a less rosy picture when it states that 43 million U.S. adults possess low literacy skills. I guess that's an alternative fact.
@Cheapskate Paul: Well the facts are the facts, if less than 1% of the population is lower than Level 1 literacy, it means that Michael Moore is just plain wrong.
Unless you believe something as stupid as 51% of the U.S population being completely illiterate… I highly doubt that.
In addition, Australia's literacy is according to average PIAAC scores, 280. The U.S is at 270, with Denmark being at 271, Germany at 270 and the UK at 272. Germany, Denmark and the U.K are pretty comparable nations in terms of wealth. I'd say Germany and Denmark's education system is far superior to the United States'. If anything, the U.S is average in terms of literacy and is doing quite well considering how poor their education system is compared to the other similar nations. Which again, just disproves Michael Moore's stupid belief that the U.S population is illiterate because they don't vote the way he wants.
It's just true that Michael Moore is wrong and a hater of white people, especially those who vote the other way to his agenda.
Green energy doesn't seem that green after all, who would have thought?
It's almost like batteries are toxic to the environment or something