NetGear Insight Managed 8-Port Smart Cloud Switch $68.02 Delivered (Free 1 Yr Insight Premium Subscription Included) @ Amazon AU

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Was looking for a managed switch to segregate the growing network of my house and stumbled upon this guy. NetGear Insight is a cloud based networking management solution like UniFi and Cisco Meraki (probably not as good though). The NetGear Insight eco system consists of other devices like NAS, AP, VPN as well but those do get quite expensive for home use.
For $68 you get a fully managed switch with 8 GbE ports and 2 SFP ports which is a pretty good deal imo. The 1 year subscription is gravy on top (no cc details needed). Datasheet here.
There are multiple versions but unless you need PoE/PoE+, this is the most cost-effective one.
I just received mine today and I'm already finding there're so many things you can do with it.

EDIT: the GC110 is back to $100+, Amazon price algorithm strikes again. But other higher tier switches still available for a reasonable price, snatch some up if you're interested. GC110P at $103.85 is a PoE version. GC510PP at $176.94 is a high powered PoE+ fan design.

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tazo on 21/05/2020 - 17:57

For those interested, looks like the ongoing cost of Insight Premium is AUD $14.50/yr/device.

Insight Basic is a cut-down version (mobile-app only) but is free for the first two devices (and AUD $7.25/yr/device for each extra device).
Anonymous User on 21/05/2020 - 18:01

+1

sorry, but what does this actually do?
- rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 18:20
  
  +2
  
  It's a managed switch, in layman's terms it lets you expand/divide your network plus some more fine-grained features. This one takes it one step further to be cloud based service: it lets you control the network from the internet, gives you notification etc thus smart+cloud. Notes that those features are optional.
  - An0nymous on 21/05/2020 - 19:16
    
    I feel so bad that I still think it's too technical, whatever you explained in layman terms 🤞😹
    - rookie317 on 22/05/2020 - 00:17
      
      +2
      
      Sorry if I didn't make it quite clear. Think of a switch as a powerboard but for your network instead.
      A managed switch is aware of it ports and let you manage/monitor each one individually plus advanced features.
      This cloud switch takes it one step further and let you do that over the internet.
      - An0nymous on 22/05/2020 - 06:22
        
        @rookie317: Ah ok, now I understand. Thank you my friend and I learnt a new thing.
syousef on 21/05/2020 - 18:04

+2

Geez can't even manage your network interfaces without being nickel and dimed to death anymore. Not to mention the possibility of insight getting hacked. Hard pass.
- tazo on 21/05/2020 - 18:15
  
  +1
  
  some use cases this sort of arrangement does makes sense — for example if you manage a network for family/friends.
  
  It's also worth pointing out that the local web interface doesn't appear to lock down if you simply let your subscription lapse, it seems to just be the remote management interface options (and SNMP) that stop working. As the OP pointed out, it's a pretty low entry point for a managed switch (that even seems to do static routing).
  
  To be honest, as much as I hate the 'nickel and dime' setup, I'm tempted to pick one or two of these up.
  - rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 18:24
    
    Yeah exactly, I think syousef is being rather negative towards an added feature. You get 1 yr for free with no obligation, no cc to try out. If you don't like it, there's a firmware master switch to disable Insight altogether making it a normal managed switch.
  - syousef on 21/05/2020 - 18:26
    
    I still do DHCP and DNS, including static routing from an old WRT54GL running Tomato. I initially had it sitting off to the side manging G wireless devices, but ever since I encountered issues with static addresses on an old Telstra modem, the WRT54GL has handled all of that. I have spares because it works so well.
    
    I have no interest in crippled devices that will become unsupported whenever the company decides the service isn't worth running.
    - eug on 21/05/2020 - 18:36
      
      I have no interest in crippled devices that will become unsupported whenever the company decides the service isn't worth running.
      
      How is it crippled? From OP's description, this is an 8 port managed switch for $68 which has an optional cloud management service that can be fully disabled if not required.
      - syousef on 21/05/2020 - 18:43
        
        @eug: Crippled in that the selling point - cloud services - goes away when Netgear decides that model is no longer supported, and while it is you have to pay.
        
        Ok in a home network setting can you explain the advantage of a managed switch? Because my network is quite elaborate and I've just never needed that. If you're not actively using the features it is a waste of money. I just buy the cheapest reliable 1GB switches I can find and let my Internet modem/router handle the connection. The only reason I even run that WRT54GL for DNS/DHCP is that I have something I'm comfortable with that doesn't rely on my ISP and it lets me segregate G wireless traffic. I could turn it off at this point since after moving to NBN I no longer run a buggy Telstra modem/router (which was rebadged Netgear btw…but I can't blame Netgear for Telstra's garbage firmware).
        
        tazo on 21/05/2020 - 19:02
        
        @syousef: admittedly I'm not a typical home user, but the two use cases I've had for managed switches have been for vlan tagging/segregation and port mirroring. I've also had an RSTP setup for a while that managed redundancy between a WiFi mesh and Ethernet-over-Powerline adapters.
        
        Personally I'm looking forward to see what this device can do with static routes and IPv6, now that I have native IPv6 at home, that functionality starts to be more useful to control.
        
        If you're worried about the security of cloud services (and I agree you should be) don't forget about all the devices in your home that probably already phone home, and probably with far less security reviews in place (think WiFi power plugs, lights, vacuum robots, etc.). The main reason I had a port mirror running was to snoop on the upstream Internet traffic between my ISP modem and my NBN NTU.
        
        syousef on 21/05/2020 - 19:44
        
        @tazo: I have plenty of respect for hobbyists, so if that's your thing and you see the benefit, it's your money.
        
        I have 6 routers, 2 wifi routers and the Telstra modem and a whole bunch of endpoints, but I tend to see my Network as a means to an end. If I have spare time I'd rather be tinkiering with code, watching youtube videos or gaming.
        
        eug on 21/05/2020 - 19:39
        
        @syousef:
        
        Crippled in that the selling point - cloud services - goes away when Netgear decides that model is no longer supported, and while it is you have to pay.
        
        How much extra does this switch cost over a managed switch without the cloud option?
        
        Are you certain that Netgear will abandon and stop supporting the optional cloud service during the lifespan of the switch?
        
        Ok in a home network setting can you explain the advantage of a managed switch?
        
        Home? This is aimed at businesses. If someone's buying a managed switch for their home, they already know the advantages with their particular use case.
        
        syousef on 21/05/2020 - 19:55
        
        @eug:
        
        How much extra does this switch cost over a managed switch without the cloud option?
        
        Fair point. Nothing unless a security issue leads to you being remotely hacked.
        
        Home? This is aimed at businesses(netgear.com). If someone's buying a managed switch for their home, they already know the advantages with their particular use case.
        
        How many people scour Ozbargain for bargains for their business though?
        
        rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 19:56
        
        @syousef:
        
        Crippled in that the selling point - cloud services - goes away when Netgear decides that model is no longer supported, and while it is you have to pay.
        
        If the cloud service shuts down, it becomes a normal managed switch. Do I use the cloud service? No. Do I prefer that it's an option? Yes. And again, it's optional so it's not "you have to pay".
        
        Ok in a home network setting can you explain the advantage of a managed switch? Because my network is quite elaborate and I've just never needed that. If you're not actively using the features it is a waste of money. I just buy the cheapest reliable 1GB switches I can find and let my Internet modem/router handle the connection. The only reason I even run that WRT54GL for DNS/DHCP is that I have something I'm comfortable with that doesn't rely on my ISP and it lets me segregate G wireless traffic. I could turn it off at this point since after moving to NBN I no longer run a buggy Telstra modem/router (which was rebadged Netgear btw…but I can't blame Netgear for Telstra's garbage firmware).
        
        Are you making a point against all managed switch here? If someone is interested in a managed switch in a home setup, I'm pretty sure they already know their use case.
        
        syousef on 21/05/2020 - 20:17
        
        @rookie317:
        
        If someone is interested in a managed switch in a home setup, I'm pretty sure they already know their use case.
        
        Almost word for word what eug said. To be blunt it makes me wonder if you're reading from a sheet.
        
        Again, how many business users decide their network hardware by trolling Ozbargain for bargains?
        
        If you're not using it, the cloud interface is a security risk unless you remember to shut it off. For a home setting I can't imagine wanting to admin my router, except perhaps to reboot it, remotely.
        
        rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 20:29
        
        @syousef: Because your whole paragraph is against managed switch, I don't see how that's against this particular switch.
        
        Yes this is a SOHO geared switch but nowhere in my OP did I recommend it towards business users, in fact I specifically said "Was looking for a managed switch to segregate the growing network of my house".
        
        You don't need to shut it off if you have never added it to the Insight account. There's no extra admin work except to flip a switch to local management at the very beginning of the setup.
        
        syousef on 21/05/2020 - 22:13
        
        @rookie317: More complexity than you need means more can go wrong. If you need the features, great, buy it. I'm not even objecting to your post. I'm just stating that many Ozbargainers would not need this over a $25 unmanaged switch, and I don't like having features that the company can take away.
        
        rookie317 on 22/05/2020 - 00:52
        
        +1
        
        @syousef: Yes, but that applies to everything doesn't it :)
        
        Look mate, I appreciate you not negging the deal, I'm sure it's helped some of us by the look of it, that's all my intention was. I have faith that those who've bought know exactly what they're getting: a decent managed switch at a great price, the cloud feature is just something extra that can be disabled entirely. Obviously this is not for everyone, that much is clear, but a deal is a deal regardless. In no way did I encourage everyone to go and purchase one.
        
        If you don't like having features that the company can take away, that goes with every internet based products/services doesn't it? And you make it sound like NetGear Insight will be shut down any time now. With everything gearing towards cloud based nowadays, I don't see why it can't be sustained. Cisco Meraki is the big dog but UniFi can do it pretty well, why can't NetGear? TPLink, DLink etc have their own solutions as well.
        
        In terms of security, it's no more vulnerable than your phone or just about any IoT device in our house really. As a bonus, the device is considered business-grade to Netgear so there're SLAs to comply, priority fixes and premium support beyond consumer devices. Would I recommend this towards SMEs though? That's really above my pay grade but I can certainly see the possibility. Enterprise customers? Highly unlikely.
        
        syousef on 22/05/2020 - 12:09
        
        @rookie317:
        
        If you don't like having features that the company can take away, that goes with every internet based products/services doesn't it?
        
        There's a difference between Internet services, and physical devices though. This trend is worrying. It's getting to the point where you don't own anything you "buy". Look discussions on right to repair etc. Many people still hate Windows 10 update because you have to jump through hoops to get control over that. When I run my home network I expect to have full control and I don't expect features to disappear.
        
        In terms of security, it's no more vulnerable than your phone or just about any IoT device in our house really.
        
        terms of security, it's no more vulnerable than your phone or just about any IoT device in our house really
        
        My phone doesn't have a web accessible management interface, and I have so far not found any use for IoT. In fact there are 2 google net minis from Telstra rewards that I played with and are currently back in their box.
pavlos on 21/05/2020 - 18:14

Do you need to setup Insight to use it, or will it just function as a dumb switch (with PoE for applicable models) without any configuration?

Also if just using the Insight 2-device free tier does it still phone home to Netgear cloud or can you disable the cloud connectivity?

Lastly can you disable the Insight functionality all together?
- rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 18:21
  
  The cloud features are optional. There's a firmware master switch to disable cloud feature altogether thus making it a normal managed switch that you manage via web interface just like any other managed switch.
  - pavlos on 21/05/2020 - 18:26
    
    Great, out of interest if you disable the Cloud feature does the Insight smartphone app still work (obviously assuming you are connected to the same network and can reach the management IP directly)?
    - rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 19:02
      
      Hey, I've just tested it out, the firmware switch lets you manage it from LAN but it's still available on your Insight app regardless via internet or LAN. The device now becomes "standalone" mode but you can still view it.
      The only way to make it a "normal" managed switch is to remove it from your Insight account.
  - tazo on 21/05/2020 - 18:32
    
    I agree rookie317, but it's worth noting that registration of these class of Netgear switches is no longer optional it seems.
    
    https://community.netgear.com/t5/Smart-Plus-Click-Switches/W…
    
    i.e. you need to register the device. After which, it seems that you can disable the insight management, but not before. If you don't register at all, the feature set available to you is very limited.
    
    note: I've ordered two, but don't have them yet, so this is just from what I've read. If you don't want a cloud managed switch, there are plenty of non-cloud switches available, like the GS108E from Netgear, or others from different vendors, that might be a better fit for you.
    - rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 18:58
      
      Unfortunately mine was already registered so I can't test that, but it's good to note that registration only requires a NetGear account meaning you don't need to touch Insight yet.
    - pavlos on 21/05/2020 - 19:30
      
      The managed features are a bonus, given they can be utilised without Insight Cloud. If Insight Cloud couldn't be disabled in the firmware then I would steer clear. And at this price point for the PoE models, they are cheaper than most of their non managed counterparts. Now what to do with that GS108PP I purchased the other week…
      - rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 19:50
        
        +1
        
        @pavlos: After some tinkering it seems if you remove it from your Insight account and flip the firmware switch to local then it truly becomes a normal managed switch. I've done some packet inspection and there doesn't seem to be any communication with Insight cloud after that. The only way to makes it communicate again is to connect your phone to the same network to let the app find it again.
        
        tazo on 23/05/2020 - 11:53
        
        @rookie317: Just following up on this thread .. my switches arrived this morning. There's no need to register, nor to use any insight features, if you don't want to. I was able to browse to the local web interface, upgrade firmware to latest, and disable the remote features without having to use any app or sign-in details with Netgear.
        
        There's even a telnet-based cli login via tcp port 60000 (which you can disable, but it's on by default).
        
        Routing, ACLs, etc. are all supported via the web interface, but it's probably easier to configure those via the telnet cli (or config export/import) unless you're happy to do alot of clicking. The options here are quite extensive.
        
        rookie317 on 23/05/2020 - 12:18
        
        @tazo: Terrific, I still registered just for peace of mind though. I've since then disabled remote management and removed it from the Insight account as well. I don't quite appreciate being bombarded with email notification although I can see it being useful since I do have machines that I want to run 24/7.
        
        The options are quite extensive, it's great for this price. Like I said I've already found so many things to do with it. Enjoy :)
chigga on 21/05/2020 - 18:48

+1

The GC510PP-100AJS for $176.94 seems like a bargain. 8 port PoE+ with two SFP ports. Wish the fanless GC510P was available at this price.
- rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 18:56
  
  Why not just get the GC510PP then? It's the more expensive device after all, or you don't like fan? :D
  - chigga on 21/05/2020 - 19:03
    
    Prefer fanless so that it runs quiet. I have limited space so it would sit in a room where people will hear it.
    - rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 19:11
      
      I'm running the GC100 right now and it actually gets rather warm, can't imagine the thermal for PoE+ with fanless design though. If you don't need PoE+ the GC100P is available for $100 doesn't sound too bad also.
      - chigga on 21/05/2020 - 19:15
        
        @rookie317: Have a Ubiquti ERX-SFP. Am after something with PoE+. Good post. Never used these before but for the price point they seem decent.
        
        rookie317 on 21/05/2020 - 20:16
        
        @chigga: I've actually been looking at either the USG or ER myself, the USG is rather old at this point and the USG-Pro is a bit out of my budget at the moment so I'm leaning towards ER at the moment. How's it been for ya?
Roger Ramjet on 21/05/2020 - 18:49

Get a second hand Cisco 24 port PoE switch for $100 off eBay, search for a basic config and how to configure it and away you go. No need for this half baked locked down security black-hole ridden consumer grade stuff.
- eug on 21/05/2020 - 19:25
  
  No need for this half baked locked down security black-hole ridden consumer grade stuff.
  
  Don't get too comfy there! Make sure your Cisco SMARTnet support contract is up to date too, if you want to download firmware updates (unless you're only using their consumer/small business switches).
  - Roger Ramjet on 21/05/2020 - 19:50
    
    Most of the eBay sellers will put the recommended ios on it for you so you dont need no contract otherwise ask a friend who works in IT and if you dont have any make some, IT people love meeting strangers.
    - eug on 21/05/2020 - 19:53
      
      Most of the eBay sellers will put the recommended ios on it for you so you dont need no contract
      
      What happens if the day after you receive it, a new IOS bug is discovered?
      
      Point is, just because it's Cisco doesn't mean it's not possible for it to have "security black-holes". And if a bug is discovered, you need an active support contract to legally download firmware updates, unless Cisco decides it's a big enough security flaw to give out free firmware updates.
      - Roger Ramjet on 21/05/2020 - 20:08
        
        @eug: Sure and tomorrow NetGear can turn around and say these things arent supported anymore or theres a vuln they wont fix (which is infinitely more likely than a new vuln being found in a years old super stable ios being used in half the worlds networks), then you're in the same boat with an inferior product…
        A commercial grade and tested product with more features for the same price as consumer - even with the added risk of a vuln being discovered is a no brainer for me.
        
        eug on 21/05/2020 - 20:56
        
        @Roger Ramjet:
        
        Sure and tomorrow NetGear can turn around and say these things arent supported anymore or theres a vuln they wont fix (which is infinitely more likely than a new vuln being found in a years old super stable ios being used in half the worlds networks)
        
        Not sure if you're aware, but Cisco updates are not perpetual.
        I bought a few Cisco 2960S-24PS-L switches brand new in Sept 2013. Cisco stopped releasing any software maintenance releases or bug fixes for security vulnerabilities in November 2018.
        
        A commercial grade and tested product with more features for the same price as consumer - even with the added risk of a vuln being discovered is a no brainer for me.
        
        …and once Cisco stops releasing updates, those old switches will be vulnerable to any newly-discovered IOS bugs like the one discovered just a couple of months before support ended. Lots of people didn't have a great time.
        
        Those EOL'ed switches become a liability, which is why you see them sold on eBay for so cheap.
        
        Roger Ramjet on 22/05/2020 - 02:39
        
        -3
        
        @eug: I think you’ve created a rabbit hole and gone down it here. It’s the same thing for both cases, cheap consumer stuff is known to have security issues constantly due to short support lives, cheap manufacturing and small market exposure. Cisco is the opposite of that, which is was my initial point. Anyway moving on.
        
        eug on 22/05/2020 - 11:50
        
        +1
        
        @Roger Ramjet:
        
        I think you’ve created a rabbit hole and gone down it here.
        
        You said a cheap used Cisco switch off eBay is more secure than "half baked locked down security black-hole ridden consumer grade stuff" like you claim this is, even though this switch is aimed at business users.
        
        I gave a clear example that shows why many old Cisco switches are sold cheap on eBay - it's because Cisco no longer issues firmware updates for them, which means if a new exploit is discovered, you're vulnerable - which directly goes against your "black-hole ridden" point.
        
        A device from a reputable manufacturer with up-to-date firmware is more secure than an old formerly-expensive second-hand device with no firmware updates. There's a very good reason why the perfectly functioning switch that you bought was so cheap - enterprise users do not trust it any more as Cisco has abandoned it.
        
        It’s the same thing for both cases, cheap consumer stuff is known to have security issues constantly due to short support lives
        
        You do realise this switch is not from Netgear's consumer line, right?
        
        Cisco is the opposite of that, which is was my initial point.
        
        Your point was how secure Cisco devices are compared to this switch.
        
        If you're buying them new or if you're buying a device that hasn't been EOL'ed and you have a SMARTnet support contract, absolutely.
        
        But buying an EOL'ed device that no longer has security updates is another matter.
        
        Roger Ramjet on 22/05/2020 - 12:02
        
        @eug:
        
        even though this switch is aimed at business users
        
        Lol ok, what corp is putting this in their enterprise network?! Please, enlighten me?
        
        You do realise this switch is not from Netgear's consumer line, right?
        
        SoHo/SMB is pretty much the same dude.
        
        But buying an EOL'ed device that no longer has security updates
        
        You said this, not me. 2960-S is still in support until the end of this year. 2960X prices are coming down and haven't announced EOL yet, which will be 6 years from announcement. Long past the expected life of this stuff.
        
        At $8.50 a port for this and $10.50 a port for a 2960X-24TS-L - for enterprise level equipment with support long past this things life, its obvious where the value is. Even for a PS-L where you're looking at $20.50 a port its still a bargain.
        
        You're putting words in my mouth and then arguing the point. Shall we agree to disagree on this?
        
        eug on 22/05/2020 - 13:13
        
        @Roger Ramjet:
        
        Lol ok, what corp is putting this in their enterprise network?! please, enlighten me?
        
        Are you assuming enterprise = Cisco and nothing else? Do you only associate Netgear with the consumer gear you find at JB? There's a big world out there outside of Cisco.
        
        SoHo/SMB is pretty much the same dude.
        
        Yes. This is their Home/Office, SOHO, and SMB line.
        
        But this switch is from their actual business line.
        
        It's the same way how Cisco used to sell consumer-grade hardware like the WRT54G and SOHO hardware like the RV042 alongside more serious gear. One company can have two hats.
        
        You said this, not me. 2960-S is still in support until the end of this year.
        
        Have a closer look. Note the key at the bottom - HW = Hardware, SW = Software.
        
        End of SW Maintenance - November 2016
        The last date that Cisco Engineering may release any final software maintenance releases or bug fixes. After this date, Cisco Engineering will no longer develop, repair, maintain, or test the product software.
        
        End of Vulnerability/Security - November 2018
        The last date that Cisco Engineering may release a planned maintenance release or scheduled software remedy for a security vulnerability issue.
        
        Last Date of Support: HW - November 2020
        The last date to receive applicable service and support for the product as entitled by active service contracts or by warranty terms and conditions. After this date, all support services for the product are unavailable, and the product becomes obsolete.
        
        Up till November, if you have a support contract and your hardware fails, it will be replaced. But you're not getting any software updates.
        
        If you don't have a support contract all the above is moot anyway - you're not getting any updates at all.
        
        You're putting words in my mouth and then arguing the point.
        
        Sorry, I should clarify that. I assumed when you said you bought a $100 24-port PoE Cisco switch off eBay, that it was an older model which would not receive any updates. Which exact model did you buy? Is it EOL'ed and does it still receive security updates?
        
        To rehash:
        
        You said that a $100 second-hand Cisco switch off eBay is more secure than this "security black-hole ridden consumer grade stuff".
        
        I then pointed out that Cisco switches have definitely seen a number of vulnerabilities, and that you cannot get firmware updates unless you're paying for a support contract.
        
        You then say most eBay sellers will install the recommended version of IOS on it, or you can make friends with someone with access to the firmware.
        
        I then ask, what happens if a new bug is discovered after you receive the switch? You can't ask the seller to flash it again. I ignore the part where you suggest making friends with someone who'll give you the firmware, because when it comes to network security you shouldn't be getting core firmware from "someone".
        
        You ignore that and just say Netgear might EOL the product and not support or fix any bugs any more. You then say a second-hand commercial-grade product for the same price as a brand-new "consumer" device is a no-brainer.
        
        I then say Cisco EOLs products too - updates are not perpetual. I gave an example of a recent serious IOS bug, and pointed out that the reason why some switches are sold so cheaply on eBay is because they no longer receive security updates which make them a liability to some companies.
        
        And from there it just goes round and round.
        
        Shall we agree to disagree on this?
        
        I'm not actually sure what we're agreeing or disagreeing too anymore. :) Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I understand from your replies so far:
        
        You state that a $100 second-hand Cisco switch off eBay is more secure than this new Netgear Insight managed switch.
        
        Assuming the $100 switch above has been EOL'ed, it will no longer receive security updates. So by extension, you do not think firmware updates are necessary for a device to remain secure.
        
        OR, Cisco is still issuing firmware updates for your $100 Cisco switch, and you have a support contract (or a friend) who supplies you with the updates, in which case it would likely be more secure than this Netgear switch.
        
        You believe Netgear might suddenly stop supporting this switch with little to no notice.
        
        At $8.50 a port for this and $10.50 a port for a 2960X-24TS-L
        
        You're moving the goalposts here. I only joined at the top where you said a cheap second hand Cisco switch is more secure than this in-support Netgear. If you're simply talking about price-per-port, I would wholeheartedly agree with you - second hand switches enterprise are great value for home use if you don't mind the fan noise, or pick a smaller fanless model.
        
        Roger Ramjet on 22/05/2020 - 15:13
        
        @eug: This is painful.
        To go back to my original comment before you brought in what if case scenarios that don’t really prove anything and giant comments that rehash the same thing…
        At the end of the day I would rather a Cisco switch (even out of support) In my network than Netgear (as would every enterprise customer I’ve worked for) for the price point, security and quality.
        
        So we do agree… and you didn’t even mention security ;)
        
        Also every single site on the first page of the original link you supplied is either dated prior to 2018 or is for iOS 10/11/12.
        
        I’m moving on, I hope you can too.
        
        eug on 22/05/2020 - 15:29
        
        @Roger Ramjet:
        
        At the end of the day I would rather a Cisco switch (even out of support) In my network than Netgear (as would every enterprise customer I’ve worked for) for the price point, security and quality.
        
        And that's where we disagree, which was my point all along. Just like how I wouldn't deploy Internet Explorer for general web browsing across an organization today, I wouldn't deploy a second-hand EOL'ed core network device that has no warranty, support, or security updates in a commercial environment.
        
        It looks like you have no qualms in doing so. There are many ways to do things, so with that I'll agree to disagree. :)
        
        Roger Ramjet on 22/05/2020 - 16:13
        
        @eug:
        
        I wouldn't deploy a second-hand EOL'ed core network device that has no warranty, support, or security updates in a commercial environment. It looks like you have no qualms in doing so.
        
        Again putting words in my mouth this time to tarnish my character.
        Im glad you wouldnt because i wouldn't either but they're there and big business and government is willing to accept the risk.
        Also, IE is still packaged with Win10, deployed and recommended in most environments for legacy compat which enables people to use it for general browsing so thats a really bad example.
        
        eug on 22/05/2020 - 16:27
        
        @Roger Ramjet:
        
        Again putting words in my mouth this time to tarnish my character.
        
        I don't get it. At the start you say a cheap second-hand Cisco switch - which would have no warranty and no firmware updates as they require a support contract - is a safer alternative to this brand-new switch.
        
        You follow up by saying you would rather have such an out-of-support switch in your network, along with all the enterprise clients you've worked for.
        
        Isn't that deploying "a second-hand, EOL'ed core network device that has no warranty, support, or security updates in a commercial environment"? What am I getting wrong here?
        
        Also, IE is still packaged with Win10, deployed and recommended in most environments for legacy compat which enables people to use it for general browsing so thats a really bad example.
        
        Do note the part where I said "general web browsing". I specifically mentioned that as I'm aware that some legacy applications require IE.
        
        Roger Ramjet on 22/05/2020 - 17:11
        
        @eug:
        
        At the start you say a cheap second-hand Cisco switch - which would have no warranty and no firmware updates as they require a support contract - is a safer alternative to this brand-new switch.
        
        I never said this, you added your own conclusions to my comment to change the context of what i said.
        
        You follow up by saying you would rather have such an out-of-support switch in your network, along with all the enterprise clients you've worked for.
        
        A Cisco enterprise level switch, yes. Compared to a cheap and nasty NetGear switch with who knows what holes in its firmware.
        
        Isn't that deploying "a second-hand, EOL'ed core network device that has no warranty, support, or security updates in a commercial environment"?
        
        No. You have joined multiple complex comments into a simple and incorrect conclusion 1) I never said i would deploy an EOL switch in a commercial environment, you did. 2) My network and an enterprise network are two very different beasts with very different risks. 3) I never said anything out about end of life, you did.
        
        eug on 22/05/2020 - 17:31
        
        @Roger Ramjet:
        
        I never said this, you added your own conclusions to my comment to change the context of what i said.
        
        This is what you said: "Get a second hand Cisco 24 port PoE switch for $100 off eBay, search for a basic config and how to configure it and away you go. No need for this half baked locked down security black-hole ridden consumer grade stuff."
        
        What I got from it was that a $100 second-hand Cisco switch is safer than this Netgear switch which is a "half baked locked down security black-hole ridden consumer grade" device.
        
        From experience, I know that cheap $100 Cisco switches on eBay are cheap because they have no warranty, no hardware support or firmware updates (that requires a support contract), and more often than not EOL'ed (or past its software maintenance lifespan - which requires a support contract anyway).
        
        Therefore you are saying that a second-hand switch with no warranty, no support, and no firmware updates (unless it's not EOL and a support contract is purchased), is safer than this brand-new switch. If you purchase a support contract, it's no longer a $100 switch.
        
        The context of this discussion has always been a cheap $100 Cisco switch from eBay. You then say "At the end of the day I would rather a Cisco switch (even out of support) In my network than Netgear (as would every enterprise customer I’ve worked for) for the price point, security and quality.", clearly highlighting that it applies to a switch that is out of support.
        
        I read that as you, and every enterprise customer you've worked for, would rather have a Cisco switch that has no security/firmware updates (i.e. EOL or no support contract), than a current-model Netgear business switch which would still be getting regular updates. I'm assuming you're in an IT role from the way you describe it, so that means you have no qualms over deploying an out-of-support (i.e. EOL or no support contract) Cisco switch for your enterprise customers.
        
        What did I get wrong there?
        
        Roger Ramjet on 22/05/2020 - 17:38
        
        @eug:
        
        Therefore you are saying that a second-hand switch with no warranty, no support, and no firmware updates
        
        Just no. You blended your experience with my comment and changed the context. There are Cisco switches with in support ios and hardware on eBay for $100, i know because i own some. I also didn't say anything about warranty, that part is obvious.
        
        so that means you have no qualms over deploying an out-of-support (i.e. EOL or no support contract) Cisco switch for your enterprise customers.
        
        Show me where i said i would deploy an EOL switch to an enterprise network?
        
        eug on 22/05/2020 - 18:02
        
        @Roger Ramjet:
        
        There are Cisco switches with in support ios and hardware on eBay for $100, i know because i own some.
        
        OK, you must have been very lucky. I would say a $100 Cisco 24-port PoE switch that's still within its software support period is an exception rather than the norm. The replacement for the 2960S is the 2960X. Two recent used 24-port PoE models on eBay went for $828 and $532 in the US. None of them would receive future firmware updates either, unless a support contract is purchased.
        
        A 2960S went for $102, but that's the old model that no longer receives updates.
        
        Did you actually purchase a 2960X 24-port PoE switch for $100?
        
        Show me where i said i would deploy an EOL switch to an enterprise network?
        
        EOL means a device is no longer supported, i.e. out of support.
        
        You said: At the end of the day I would rather a Cisco switch (even out of support) In my network than Netgear (as would every enterprise customer I’ve worked for) for the price point, security and quality.
        
        i.e. you would deploy a switch that is out of support, which means EOL, for your enterprise customers.
        
        Is that not what you were saying? Keep in mind this entire time we were talking about buying a $100 eBay switch over this brand-new Netgear switch.
BluBoy on 21/05/2020 - 19:11

This has a $10 discount on the 'Amazon Shopping' app.
(Also comes with 3 months free Amazon Music Unlimited, if you're into that sort of thing)

Enter code APPONLY10 at checkout.

$58 delivered for a 10 port Gigabit switch is reasonable… For a managed switch it is fantastic.
Another 'I didn't actually need that' OzBargain special!
- PleasureMe on 21/05/2020 - 19:34
  
  I tried entereing that code, but i got a message saying it's invalid :(
- norkle on 21/05/2020 - 19:50
  
  The promotional code you entered cannot be applied to this purchase.
- BluBoy on 21/05/2020 - 20:00
  
  Did you guys try it in the Amazon Shopping App?
  
  It will NOT work on the website
  - norkle on 21/05/2020 - 20:01
    
    Yes, that message was from the app.
    - BluBoy on 21/05/2020 - 20:21
      
      Weird - I had a 'promotion' line on the website suggesting I use that code in the app. I Installed the app and was able to use the code successfully.
      
      FWIW: I use a Chrome based browser with a whole bunch of ad blocking going on.
      - norkle on 21/05/2020 - 21:20
        
        @BluBoy: Win some, lose some. Thanks for sharing was worth a try.
PleasureMe on 21/05/2020 - 19:33

+1

Thanks Op. Whether you agree with the concept of this switch or not, you can't deny that it's a bargain compared to pricing elsewhere.
corgicorgi on 21/05/2020 - 20:11

Expired now. Back to $103.
- norkle on 21/05/2020 - 20:14
  
  I must've snuck one of the last ones. Yay me.
daven1985 on 22/05/2020 - 08:43

-3

Hahahahaha… Let's buy a cheap switch, and then have it constantly talk to somewhere in the Cloud… just so you can make a network change from your phone.

This looks like a terrible idea.

This was posted 3 years 11 months 3 days ago, and might be an out-dated deal.

NetGear Insight Managed 8-Port Smart Cloud Switch $68.02 Delivered (Free 1 Yr Insight Premium Subscription Included) @ Amazon AU

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