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Spent the day browsing through all the "sale" items and came across an actual bargain for some sweet Ubiquiti kit and decided to pull the trigger and buy one myself. Recent best price around $190.
[eBay Plus] Ubiquiti Unifi Security Gateway Router USG $175.20 @ Smarthomestoreau eBay
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LMalrsorr the cheap on 15/06/2020 - 18:33 ebay.com.au (2215 clicks)
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It's a runout model. The new one (when it arrives) should drop prices even more. He will likely choke on them or sell at a loss.
Seems to be a marketing post. This seems to a 3p. This is very old. New model is about to be released. I don't think this is a good post
Ok elitistphoenix
Nice little router, works under the Unifi Controller - those of us with UAPs will be familiar with. Has some neat intrusion detection and prevention options, however these will impact the USG's ability to reach gigabit speeds with the new NBN plans.
Let's be honest. Some of us do.
Especially since the max available speed with IPS enabled is 50mb/s. Most metro NBN speeds exceed that.
@lychees: FYI - I've set up one of these USG with IPS enabled, with ABB 100/40 FTTC NBN and regularly get up to 95/35 via Ookla speedtest app.
@lychees: As with the others I max out my connection and get mid 90's with IPS on. I believe way back it may have performed worse but it had been improved.
If you're very lucky and are on a plan that's greater than 100mbit own, then this USG's performance will start to become a bottleneck soon enough. If you want to leave IPS on and approach near gigabit speeds then you'll need to shell out several times more for the Dream Machine Pro. Think they're well over $500AUD right now from memory, but its not like anyone on residential plans are likely close to looking at such plans in Australia and if you were then the cost of that hardwares probably not the greatest concern.
@Smigit: +1 with the USG still making out bandwidth with DPI, IPS and IDS enabled. When thrashing the link the utilisation hits the 90%+ mark for the USG but no latency or bandwidth drop. I have FTTC and run at about 93/37 speeds with or without the security features enabled.
Let's be honest. Most of us can't even get that kind of bandwidths.
Fixed.
Let's be honest, Ubiquity is only good for looking shiney. At first glance it's all good and sparkly, but you'll soon find out what a pain in the a**se they are.
No AX, no AX announcement, "long range" is anything but. Mu old Asus 68 has better range than 2 of these
Wireless 6 UniFi AP are in beta.
More an FYI for those that think the Long Range means better throughput over long distances. Its true BUT its only going to be as good as your devices antenna. Long range for the most part is only good between two LR access points to communicate with each other.
Reason: The device your receiving the long range to is unlikely to be able to send long range signal back if too far away. Sure it can receive but it better have a good antenna to communicate back.
Best stay clear of LR unless you are setting up as an AP between two LR devices.
Even if you've got 100/40 this will struggle. I upgraded to the UDM as USG is limited to 85mbps with IDS/IPS.
What speeds can you get from the Dream Machine instead of the USG? Can you get 1000mbps?
850 with IDS/IPS enabled.
It severely limits to mid 80Mbps. Hopefully there will be a refreshed budget friendly version is coming up soon.
A nice summary willyroo
I'm after unifi AP long range. Anyone seen any deals. Best I could find is $162 each with free delivery for 3 units which is pretty good.
These guys are dearer:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ubiquiti-UniFi-AU-Power-UAP-AC-L…That price is better than ubwh.com.au when you factor in delivery
Yea I know. I'll post it as a deal after they get ordered tomorrow.
I just buy mine cheap through work
What's the unit pricing for account holders? (or do you have education discount?)
Wish there was AC Pro on sale as well.
PLE have them for $169, I purchased one last week: https://www.ple.com.au/Products/621663/Ubiquiti-UniFi-AP-AC-…
Have got one of these - looking forward to the new model though as I think with the appropriate IPS/IDS things turned on it's limited to 85mbps?
That's pretty close to my top speeds for me anyway so not really a big deal, but definitely a consideration for those on gigabit plans
Been keen to get one of these, better than my dealer cost haha
Any deals on nanoHD's or switches around?
Nice find. I still prefer EdgeRouter X to this one.
Yeah I miss the dpi features but my edgerouter X has been rock solid. Even though all my ap's are unifi still using the edgerouter
What's lacking in terms of DPI for the Edgerouter X? I've been planning to get one of them and not very interested in the USG, and already have some other non-ubiquiti APs around the house.
I thought the Edgerouter X could also do DPI?
The edgerouter X does DPI but it's very basic, there is no history only whats happening now
Be aware these things are pretty much end of life although not officially announced. They very rarely get updates, theyre restrained by old components and the replacement USG models are due for release soon (although its Ubnt so no one really knows). If you're looking at jumping on the Unifi wagon, probably better off getting a Dream Machine.
I love my Ubiquiti UDM
May you find happiness together.
I'm more in-like with my USG.
Hi Roger,
Can you please explain what you mean by 'they rarely get updates'? The latest firmware update for the USG was released on the 10th of March this year. Much like the rest of the Unifi platform, they are regularly updated with both security patches and features - the USG is capable of far more now than it was when first released.
Yes, it's an ageing design, but so is the ERLite 3.0, which is extremely long in the tooth but shows no signs of being replaced - it's the right device, with the right performance, at the right price, for what it's trying to achieve. I'd say the USG is pretty much spot on for small businesses on the Unifi platform that want an integrated solution like this.
As for 'the replacement USG models are due for release soon', please cite your information here. I'm an early access partner, and there is no such device in the beta store (which typically precedes retail launch by six to twelve months), nor has there been any channel advisory of anything coming down the pike.
I do have a criticism of the USG, and that's the long reporting rate - you can retune to get closer to real-time updates, but it isn't as responsive as the EdgeMax line, and you definitely CANNOT leave it in that state for very long as it rapidly fills the device's memory. However, that's fairly small potatoes - most people probably don't need to use the gateway to diagnose real-time network traffic very often, and those that do probably know how to use Wireshark anyway.
There are also definitely issues around performance if you're on fibre broadband wanting greater than 100/40. The USG is capable of pushing through up to that level with tuning, but certain configurations can hold it back a bit. If you need 250, 500 or 1gbps, then 'this is not the device you're looking for'.
For the target market, the USG punches well above its weight, as does pretty much every device Ubiquiti has launched. If you need more than it can provide, you need to stump up for a higher class.
I also don't consider the USG and the UDM to be competing products - the USG is for those who have a device (or VM or cloud instance, although I have pretty serious reservations about your SDN controller running outside your network when you are absolutely going to need it if your WAN connection goes down) available to run the Controller, and who want Unifi APs throughout their building. There really isn't that much overlap between that and those who want an all-in-one device that's going to share wifi for the immediate vicinity - it's certainly not an appropriate device for a network rack ;-)
I should also point out that IMO the UDM has been crippled from birth, as it doesn't have Wifi-6. Anyone building new wifi networks in 2020 should be ensuring they're using Wifi-6 hardware (there are substantial benefits even if you have no Wifi-6 clients). Yes, I'm perfectly aware that there is no Wifi-6 capable UAP on the retail market yet ;-)
Last releases 03/2020 | 07/2019 | 03/2019 | 12/2018 | Not really regular…
https://www.ui.com/download/unifi-switching-routing/usg
2020 release was to fix 1 physical access vuln. Regular updates stopped in 2018, more than likely as they knew they were flogging a dead horse and moved on to replacement products.I saw a post from Chris Buechler about the restrictive components just after he jumped ship but I can’t find it now.
New line recently announced.
“Introducing the UniFi Next-Gen Gateway Product Line, Starting with UXG-Pro”
https://community.ui.com/questions/Introducing-the-UniFi-Nex…They Seem to cripple a lot of things from birth. They should spend less on fancy packaging and more on better quality components.
I also can’t understand how they’re still selling the UCK G1 when it’s been superseded by the G2 which makes me look at the USGs and wonder if they will be the same story.
The UCK Gen1 isn't so much superseded as it's a different product for different customers. For the type of installations the G1 is suited for, it still works fine. The price difference to the G2 is pretty steep IMO. Personally I've never used the cloud keys, as we always deploy to a local VM that has infinitely more performance and reliability. The UCK-G2+ is likewise for a class of users we've never overlapped with - our deployments are still on Unifi Video as we need redundant drives and backups. We'll evaluate the UNVR as soon as it's available here, but it's been a long time coming since 'Protect was launched and 'Video was set adrift.
I feel the same way about the USG - the UXG-Pro is still in development, we have no idea when it will be released to Early Access, and once it does it will still be at least 6 months away from USA launch. Realistically we're looking at 12 to 18 months before you will see this in Australia. And then you have a product that's going to be around the $1,000 pricepoint, not exactly in the same product category. What you're hoping for here is that they release a USG-G2 with more performance and memory that's capable of 1gbps passthrough performance that isn't impacted by the security monitoring, that will be available for sub-$300. I agree that such a product would be ideal, but until Ubiquiti actually launch it there's absolutely no point in holding out hope for it, and even less point speculating about its eventual existence. If there's something I've learnt about Ubiquiti is that if it's not an actual feature in a product you can physically buy, then you definitely can't bank on it - they're a great company that build fantastic products, but there have definitely over-promised on a few things that never saw the light of day.
So in summary, expect the USG to be the only product in this segment for at a couple of years. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
I run a USG on my 1000/50 connection. Absolutely no problems at all.
These USG boxes are quite decent. As mentioned in a earlier reply, I've set up one of these with IPS enabled for a ABB 100/40 FTTC NBN connection and regularly getting up to 95/35 via Ookla app.
For those lucky ones who can have connections that are faster than 100/40, IPS will probably cause a bit of a bottleneck on the USG.
If you're new to Unifi, another item to consider is the need of a Unifi Controller for the USG to control/manage the USG. You can Google/YouTube this topic as the Controller can be on a Unifi Cloud Key, or installed on your PC/Mac, or run it from Raspberry Pi, or host it in the cloud somewhere.
As mentioned by others, it may be worth considering the Unifi Dream Machine (UDM) albeit the higher price tag, but since it is effecitvely a neat 4 in 1 device:
1. It's like a juiced-up USG - even with IPS enabled, UDM can go up to 850Mbps (the lucky ones in Oz), and
2. Built-in Cloud Key, and
3. 4 port switch, and
4. Wireless AP.
I'm currently on a 100/40 connection (max my area can support). I'm also tossing between this or the Unifi Dream Machine. I regret not buying it when it they were in the $4xx mark.
Yeah, same, I didn't realise I needed the UDM until after a month when it was in that $4xx mark.
I ended up getting it around $530 via eBay with one of their many promo codes.
You may want to consider the UDM on the following conditions/reasons:
* If you can wait for another deal/promo code to bring it down to at least the low-$5xx mark.
* If you require WiFi/AP.
* If you require more than 2 LAN ports (USG only have 1 labelled LAN and 1 VOIP port that can be configured as LAN2).
* If you like a neater solution than having a separate Cloud Key or Raspberry Pi to run the Unifi Controller hanging off the USG.The reason why I didn't opt for the UDM for the USG-project was because it was a 3 storey property that already had a Tenda MW3 3-pack set-up for the WiFi. Hence didn't need to spend the extra $300+ for an unnecessary extra WiFi/AP from the UDM, and willing to forfeit the convenience of remote Cloud Key access.
I really enjoy using the remote/cloud access of the UDM via the browser or app. I often miss this ease of access with the USG as I have the Controller installed on a PC that I only run when I need to make a few changes on the USG.
I think the selling point for me is the WiFi/AP being together. The LAN ports and stuff are pretty meh since it's easy to configure the VOIP port anyways and with Unifi Controller I can just host it as a container in my existing server which shouldn't be an issue.
What do you mean by Cloud Key access? Is that just being able to access the Unifi Controller software from the outside web? Can that be solved with some port forwarding?
@frankfu1122: Since you’re keen on the WiFi/AP being all together with the security gateway appliance, I would say it is worth waiting for a deal on the UDM.
Since UDM basically already has a cloud key built in, you won’t need to get a separate cloud key device as a controller and remote/local management.
Whereas the USG does not have a built-in controller. Yes, you can host the controller on your local server/PC to manage your USG. The controller can also be enabled for cloud/remote/app access. Generally it is not ideal to port forward.
@viewfinder: Yeah I'm convinced haha. I'll wait for a deal on the UDM. I'm surprised it's almost end of EOFY and there hasn't been a deal posted :(
@viewfinder: Thanks. On the fence this time. Not sure if I should wait for it to be sub $500 or just bite the bullet! The last deal was perfect but ran out too quickly.
@frankfu1122: Yeah, that sub-$500 was quite short-lived. Not sure if it would be applicable for you, since EOFY is just around the corner, would it be eligible for a tax deduction?
Is it possible to do vpn split tunneling with Usg?
Want to watch US Netflix on my TV.
As far as I know, yes but requires command line changes - https://matthijs.hoekstraonline.net/2017/10/29/configuring-s…
Thanks for that, looks like pfsense or opnsense might be easier.
Can it do -
- Application layer firewall functions (in addition to traditional layer 3/4)?
- Limit access at certain times of the day to certain users?
- Limit b/w to certain users?
TIA
Sean
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