It's finally happening… I'm waiting to get the 3000!!!
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Ventus GP OC 11GB $1099, Normally $1899
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 11GB $1249, Normally $2079
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Gaming Z Trio OC 11GB $1299, Normally $2099
ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti OC 11GB $1299, Normally $2349
For those that don't know, the RTX 3070 is due to come out soon for around $800AUD RRP with performance slightly better than the RTX 2080 Ti shown here.
I would advise those wanting to get the best value or even if they're willing to spend this much on a graphics card to wait for the RTX 3000 series
To be fair we don't actually know. They said better than a 2080ti in some games. Gotta wait for them benchmarks.
To add to that, I think I am leaning towards the case where 3070 is better overall.
See this reddit post reply by Nvidia and also the complete official summary.
Based on the CUDA cores count information that can be found here, it seems like the stated performance gain is well within achievable range.
The main limitation here is that 3070 has less VRAM compared to 2080 Ti, which can be useful in super high resolution use cases, or when training large neural nets.
@Clain: Just keep in mind that the Cuda core count is not 1:1, an ampere core is not the same as a turing one from what has been reported. At worst i think it will be close to or the same as the Ti, but likely better in RTX and DLSS titles…
No harm waiting a bit longer to have the full picture š
Also rumours of an AMD card between 3070 n 3080 as well, with 16gb ram and around $US549 but thats just rumours lol
@scud70: This is correct, you should really only compare core to core within cards of the same generation
"One of the biggest mistakes people make when comparing new GPUs is to talk about ācore count.ā This is erroneous for a few reasons, one of which is that core-for-core performance is not identical cross-architecture. From Kepler to Pascal, there were gains upwards of 30% for overall performance-per-watt efficiency, and just drawing a linear comparison between core counts doesnāt accommodate this. Also, CUDA cores arenāt really cores, anyway: They are floating-point units. An SM would be more similar to a core by standard definitions, which call for a core to be capable of fetching and decoding instructions, executing them, reading and writing data to and from registers and cache, and computing results. NVIDIAās floating-point units can compute results, but canāt do much of the other stuff.
The point of saying all of this is that a strict Pascal vs. Turing core comparison needs to account for architectural differences that could change how well a ācoreā performs to begin with. People fell into the same trap last time."
TL;DR - Wait for benchmarks to see how they actually perform in real world applications rather than core count.
@Serapis: Nvidia also had a Q&A thing on Reddit and they went through the difference between the architectures …which was pretty interesting if people want to know a bit more.
Specifically Could you elaborate a little on this doubling of CUDA cores? How does it affect the general architectures of the GPCs?
@scud70: Interesting, though what they outlined still refers to significant benefits in ray tracing (which isn't really found in many games yet tbh).
"Performance gains will vary at the shader and application level depending on the mix of instructions. Ray tracing denoising shaders are good examples that might benefit greatly from doubling FP32 throughput."
Wondering what gains we'll see in everything else…
I get the feeling that the 3070 will Smash it in rt obviously but not overall
Also the $800 price isn't gonna happen. Not this year anyway
@scuderiarmani: It's the actual price listed on Nvidia's AU website for its FE cards.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/geforce/graphics-cards/30-serieā¦
GEFORCE RTX 3090
STARTING AT AU$2,429 September 24th
GEFORCE RTX 3080
STARTING AT AU$ 1,139 September 17th
GEFORCE RTX 3070
STARTING AT AU$ 809 October
@w37hsyea: 1 Founders aren't here.
2 AIB will charge what they want
3 Retailers will charge what they want
You are in for a world of disappointment if you think you'll pay those prices for hard to get items
@scuderiarmani: I did preorder the FE 2080ti from official AU site, august 2018….I think we still can pre-ordet the FE 3080 this year when it's available.
even the 3080 version will be similar price as this
true but brand new RTX3070 VRAM of 8GB, might/not be better however people who follow this all seem to think that wait is a good idea, as you are seeing possibly a 40% discount for the same or close to the same performance. Compare to the 1080ti->2080ti not as much.
Better than som games which has ray tracing and dlss support. Means have to see real benchmarks of 3070 vs 2080ti.
don't forget it also has other newer features like RTX 2.0 etc
and other features not found on the 2080TI
So it beats it in performance as well as newer features.
The RTX 3070 is due to come out soon for around $800AUD RRP with performance slightly better than the RTX 2080 Ti shown here.
All of the benchmark comparisons have been with all RTX features set to max, yes it performs way better at RTX but if you aren't using those RTX features I imagine the gap isn't going to be as huge as people claim. Still a huge saving in price, though you'll probably have to wait until later next year to secure some stock of it.
Q: When the slide says RTX 3070 is equal or faster than 2080 Ti, are we talking about traditional rasterization or DLSS/RT workloads? Very important if you could clear it up, since no traditional rasterization benchmarks were shown, only RT/DLSS supporting games.
We are talking about both. Games that only support traditional rasterization and games that support RTX (RT+DLSS).
source: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-30-series-commā¦
Best wait for the AMD cards as well around the start of next month, as they are promising more competitive pricing and double the VRAM.
more VRAM may mean bubkiss - unless you're running 8K internal resolution with filtering etc. In most case it's purely a marketing point and uninformed consumers buy the item with the biggest number.
The fact that this is being sold for around $1099 scares me a bit. Since FE isn't being released in Aus, and this a maybe a step below 3070 (if Nvidia is trustworthy), then retailers are probably expecting to sell 3070 for around $1000 - $1100…
Retailers know people are idiots. And this thread is showing them to be correct.
After literal months of receiving downvotes and slag-off comments in GPU deals for explaining why the 2080Ti was so expensive, why the standard line-up wouldn't jump in price for Ampere, and all-but nailing expected performance, I'm here to claim 50% of your upvotes as tribute.
It's only fair, I've earned this!
We bow down to thee GPU Lord and Master, pay rich tribute OzBargainers!!
Why would people neg you for commenting on inflated 20 series prices? Everyone knows they have been stupidly over priced for months
Me guess people wanted to feel their purhase was justified and no way a bad deal, but they definetely got silenced when the prices were finally revealed for the performance.
This is probably the price it should've been a couple months ago
That ROG Strix 2080Ti LOL
You stated a graphics card, nice man….
naw it's still way overpriced
A bit too late isnt hahaha 3070s are the cards to wait for this year.
Friends don't let friends buy the 2080ti when the 3080 and 3090 come out in a couple weeks.
Nvidia have confirmed the 3070 outperforms the 2080ti…and it will be anywhere in the $800-1000 range.
@Morphisis: it's a graph with dots without any context
could be 1 game or 2 games… at 1080p ? or 4k ? or ray-tracing ON
@dcep: I agree with this, we have all received the same information regarding these new cards. The bottom line is, now is not the time to buy a 2080ti.
@dcep: Exactly. Aussies are likely to get scalped HARD by retailers and AIB because we have no founders here on launch.
If the 2080ti AIBs drop to $900, Ill jump on one. Worst case I pay 100 more for a card a little slower than a 3070. Best case, I save myself a massive headache and the risk of getting scalped.
If we were in the U.S or Europe? I wouldnt consider it at all. Context is important. Dont let all the U.S based memes fool you.
@Ahbal: Worst case you pay more to get a card on an older architecture, that is behind in a lot of feature categories, lower resale value and may not allow the real game changer, which is the faster disc access.
@dcep: There was a retailer in Germany or something that posted a lot of card prices, many of the AIB models were the same price as the reference cards with RRP. Not sure where the idea of AIB cards being massively more expensive than reference came from, generally they start at the reference price and also include more premium models for slightly higher prices.
@Morphisis: But how much is 3080 going to cost in Australia??? The retailers might inflate!
I need the card by the end of this month!
@Mandalorian: From $1139 is what Nvidia had up on their website for the 3080 before they removed it because they arent selling the founder's edition cards here.
@capslock janitor: Exactly - Australian user tax will kick in and the laughter will begin at those who thought 800.. LMAO!
@pharkurnell: There are already reports of the 3080 having an increased $300 - $400 markup here in Aus.
@Ori0n: Never has been removed, and it wasnt a leak….
Scroll to bottom for confirmed MSRP in Australia….
https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/geforce/graphics-cards/30-serieā¦
People need to remember too, these arent 'reference' card pricing either - NVIDIA is selling a bespoke cooling solution, and I wouldnt be surprised if it performs similar too the AIBs - so hopefully theres some competition on performance too.
@Mandalorian: You might be better suited to buy a basic secondhand card now then sell it for a small loss when the 3000 series are in stock.
@dcep: Think they actually specified the performance with rtx off and on, NVIDIA also released a video of doom eternal running at 4k and showing the new series vs the old series spoiler alert new cards were much faster. The performance increase is not fake or speculation, no point spending money on a 20/2000 series card.
@Morphisis: 2080ti still worth it but if you can get it less than $800.
We all know 3060 won't outperform 2080ti. So for $100 more you can't go wrong.
This card ain't useless or trash. It just overpriced.
Yeah youāve definitely not been keeping up with the news have you?
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-30-series-commā¦
Q: When the slide says RTX 3070 is equal or faster than 2080 Ti, are we talking about traditional rasterization or DLSS/RT workloads? Very important if you could clear it up, since no traditional rasterization benchmarks were shown, only RT/DLSS supporting games.
We are talking about both. Games that only support traditional rasterization and games that support RTX (RT+DLSS).
WHY? I could understand if the 3070 and 3080 was still months away, but we are literally only a few weeks away from a cards that outperform it for lower price
make it $800 and i'm going to think about it
I'm hoping it gets to $600 personally but I might bite if it gets around $700
$600 would be very sweet indeed
It won't be. Because that is 3060 price's and it would be at least 20% less powerful.
$700 would be more realistic.
I wouldn't be too miffed if I could get it for $700 but I am hoping for even lower. You're probably right though
wonder if that's below cost price
Cost of what
Your OZ bargain membership
Yep they would be.
The manufacturer will likely provide rebates.
If they didn't the sellers wouldn't touch stock when a new model is approaching
I'm guessing these cards probably cost about $100-200 to make, the rest of profit
Lol $100-200 to make? Are you trying to be funny?
It likely costs $200 max for the materials and manufacture, the biggest cost with graphics cards is the R&D, paying their engineers, marketing etc.
@Could Be Better: Given the cost to make something as basic as a type c cable, I doubt it.
No way would I believe that low.
@sneakydean: far more than a few cents, you can probably make a cheap molex to 2 pin cable for a few cents but not type c
@mickeyjuiceman: Exactly can't just take raw materials as any indication. Especially with something as cutting edge as this.
Feel the pain for 2080ti owners
I mean, they already knew they were paying 5 times the price for twice the FPS.
I don't, paying the exorbitant prices Nvidia were charging and then crying about it when it is superseded have only nut themselves to blame.
Lol
This should be the price from launch, where old days 980ti 1080ti were about $1100. The only truth is big jack for RTX2000 series.
Probs below $1000 by next week
below $300 in 5 yrs time
1 week vs 260 weeks, great comparison!
if this was 800-900 id definitely go for it just to save me the time and stress of trying to secure a 3070 with the impending stock issues.
Anyone that thinks theyll get their hands on a 30 series card is mistaken. We arent getting the founders editions here in aus, so thatll make it even harder.
and those who looking at 4k gameplay , eg. MFS2020 … would want more than 8gb VRAM
That too. Outside of the launch price, 2080ti is a great choice if it keeps dropping in price.
How do you know?? I was hoping to get a 3080 on launch!!
Honestly its pretty simple. Normal Aussie delay and lack of stock. Normal aussie retailer stock issues (same issue with other popular things like star wars lego sets, try finding 501st sets, mando sets etc). Add to that covid, and the already reduced stock of the 30 series….
I genuinely wouldnt be surprised if the 2080ti goes UP after the launch. Demand for RTX will be higher with Cyberpunk round the corner. I know for damn sure I will be getting a 2080ti at these prices if I cant get a 3070/80. Same im sure would apply for others.
edit: Forgot to mention anyone who thinks Aussie retailers wont scalp the price of the 30 series is crazy. As above, they already do it.
I agree with this… if there's any cards at the $809 RRP at launch it will be some nasty low end aftermarket model.
My guess MSI Gaming 3070 will be $999, ASUS Strix $1049-1100, Gigabyte aorus cards around $999 also . At these prices for a card with 8gb vram… no thanks
Here we go š¤
I was waiting for one of these haha
Let the war begin
Between… Nvidia and… Nvidia????
It's not just the 3000-series, but also the RDNA2 cards that could make a double-whammy to Turing prices further down the road.
Yeah but when is rdna2 actually coming out…I need a card by the end of the month..
Hahahahahah. No. Good try though.