Delusional Owner of White Tesla - Number Plate "CO2 Free"

I saw a white Tesla sedan getting around with number plates that boldly stated "CO2 FREE". Can anyone who can afford a Tesla really be that ignorant?

Where does he THINK the electricity comes from to charge up his machine??? (I bet a million dollars it was a coal-fired power station).

Have people actually fallen for the hype and think that their Tesla recharges in Australia are miraculously supplied from 100% renewable energy? Does Tesla charge enormous battery banks from solar panels and then supercharge your Tesla vehicle's batteries from them? I think not.

Is he even grandiose enough to think that the manufacture of his expensive machine and its masses of batteries involved an insignificant amount of CO2 emissions? I'm sure no CO2 was released in the process of earning the vast amount of money to pay for the expensive machine?

Besides all that, one recent study found that, all things being added together, "in reality, the Tesla has emissions between 156 and 181 grams of CO2 per kilometre - significantly more than a comparable diesel Mercedes."

I should point out that I don't especially care about climate science. Nor do I hate Tesla Cars. I just find his bold public statement about "emissions" particularly odorous.

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                                                • @Speckled Jim: You lost me at football. If it takes you that many paragraphs to suggest there is something wrong then you should sue for compensation for failure of the education system. Because you said English is your first language, it is like a life sentence.

                                                  • @netjock: You were lost many times in this topic. People (me included) nudged you, but you kept putting up hurdles.
                                                    Would you like me to list them all, and provide links to knock down all your hurdles?

                                                    • @Speckled Jim: You have too much time if you keep putting up hurdles for other people. I hope you enjoy going around in a circle putting up hurdles.

                                                      • @netjock: To quote myself:

                                                        to knock down all your hurdles?

                                                        You're parroting me now:

                                                        if you keep putting up hurdles for other people.

                                                        For the record, I wasn't putting up hurdles. This is a robust discussion, and while mentioning PHEV as a preference is almost on topic, the car is quite a different animal performance wise and CO2 emissions wise to the OP.
                                                        If you're claiming you didn't know this, you're playing dumb for advantage.

                                                        I suggested home batteries as I'd seen others safely achieve this for years. You made a vague comment on the dangers of Li-ion battery chemistry, which is a furphy.

                                                        You'd be familiar with this site too.
                                                        Industry sources suggest that this attitude (on) battery safety is coming largely from Australia’s fire authorities, based on the incidence of fires caused by smaller lithium-ion battery-powered products, including mobile phones.

                                                        “The three companies represented in this letter consider product safety and product integrity our number one priority, collectively we have hundreds of thousands of systems installed globally without a single fire hazard issue as addressed …we are all focused on Australia becoming a leader in respect of BESS product integrity and safety,”

                                                        Li-Poly are FAR more dangerous. No link required, their relative instability is common knowledge.

                                                        You put up the high cost of batteries as a hurdle. How is that relevant to the potential Porsche/Audi/Ferrari buyer who decides to go electric? They can have solar, battery and car for the price of one exotic ICE.
                                                        It's a withering argument at best, as battery prices keep falling. In a year it will look silly.

                                                        I was going to do everything in sequence, but it is xmas season, and doing that would be cruel.

                                                        Have your PHEV or bike, be happy. Solid-state batteries are almost here for those of us who prefer an EV future.

                                                        • @Speckled Jim: Lost me at parroting.

                                                          I am not even arguing with you but you have anger and adjustment issues if you see it fit to reopen the conversation with paragraphs and paragraphs of new info when you said "good bye"

                                                          • @netjock: Lost again? Learn to read.

                                                            "good bye"? Link please.

                                                            You can't. I never said "good bye".

                                                            Bye bye is not "good bye"

                                                            Argue? You're incapable or reading, never mind arguing.

                                                            • @Speckled Jim: You like offending people. Don't need to wonder why people are resistant to battery radicalism. Good bye.

                  • +1

                    @netjock:

                    If you lived 10kms from work you'd buy a PHEV or even better ride a bike.

                    Your opinion/assumption.

                    It is common sense.

                    Your opinion/assumption.

                    If you think paying $100 will offset annual emissions of a 4WD on Greenfleet(greenfleet.com.au) paying an extra $20k for a Tesla is 200 years of offsets. If you dropped $20k on carbon offsets would have a bigger impact than spending $20k extra on a Tesla.

                    Your opinion/assumption that they only purchased a Tesla for one reason.

                    People don't buy Teslas cars to live in their garage, neither do they buy it to make a whooping big loss driving lower than average kilometers. Rich people don't get rich pissing their money away. Part of it is virtue signally but another part is vanity which means they will drive them everywhere to be seen.

                    Your opinion/assumption.

                    It is human nature at it's finest.

                    Your opinion/assumption.

                    I have a 15 year old car that does 4.5L for every 100kms, I do less than 10,000 km per year and that is only because I do 400kms a month in a return trip to see my parents. Rest of the time I bike to work or walk to the supermarket. It is probably better for the environment than a Tesla.

                    Thanks for giving us all that insight into your life. At least it was something other than your opinion you try and pass off as indisputable fact.

                    • @Nousernamehere:

                      Your opinion/assumption that they only purchased a Tesla for one reason.

                      Read the above. Read the thread before commenting please.

                      • @netjock:

                        Read the above. Read the thread before commenting please.

                        Nah, I’m all good thanks 👍🏻

  • +10

    I think you’re a bit jealous…

    Car has 0 emissions. if you find owner uses solar to charge, someone else will make a comment oh the service station he goes to doesn’t use renewable energy or the road pavings to factories its made or the importing logistics chain or some other thing, there is no end.

  • +6

    Think this thread needs to be locked.

    FWIW my guess is the owner has a solar business and uses power generated from the sun. Sure, it’s probably not technically correct, but if you are butt hurt by vanity plates you need a good look at yourself.

    • +1

      I mean, they’re no lgopnr plates on the lambo.

  • +1

    He can say what he wants and you can be offended.

  • +1

    Mining the lithium for the batteries also causes massive environmental destruction.
    They also have a finite lifespan and will need to constantly bee replaced further and exponentially increasing this destruction as uptake increases.
    But people can stay ignorant and believe what they want.
    !00% renewable bio-fuels grown from plants are much more interesting and promising long term unless there is massive breakthroughs in battery technology.

    • +4

      Bio fuels?

      Which rainforests of the world will you cut down to produce these mono crops? Or should we sequester existing food farms from the 3rd world?

    • +5

      A lithium mine in OZ is no worse (or better) than an Australian iron ore mine as far as the environment. For the 2000KG plus of Tesla, the lithium is less than 3% of its weight around 65KG. Getting rid of the batteries cobalt component far more important to alleviate human suffering.

      The cool thing is that batteries are now engineered enough for 1.6million km enough for a lifetime of normal driving and they are fully recyclable, closing the resource loop. We can consider rather than consumers we are just todays custodians of the resources, just add sunshine for the go-go juice:)

    • Bio-fuels might be hard considering you're using crop-growable land for crops for fuel instead, at least for a 100% bio-fuel-fueled system anyway

    • +5

      Mining the lithium for the batteries also causes massive environmental destruction.

      So does mining metals that make your phone, tablet, PC, TV. Begs to questions how are you accessing the internet if you have such a strong opinion? Back to your wooden cabin with wood stove and earth floor.

  • -2

    Its called good marketing by Tesla and that rich people can also be stupid.

    Tesla is gen_1 electric car trash. When the real players who have been making cars for numerous decades get into the full electric car swing (mazda, toyota/lexus, etc) just watch tesla's share crumble.

    Theres a reason tesla is second last in reliability in this US study https://www.caradvice.com.au/904103/us-study-names-the-car-b…

    Countless stories about teslas poor manufacturing standards

    • +5

      The argument here is that traditional ignition combustion engine car makers may not survive the transition to electric vehicles. None of the parts under the hood are transferable and must be designed from scratch. All the knowledge/expertise and assets (factories, machines, tools) may not be useful as well. In 5 to 10 years, all the current manufacturers may end up bankrupt or will have to merge to survive. The industry is about to go through a big shake up and who knows which other EV start ups will be able to ramp up and join Tesla.

    • Oh yeah, huge car companies like Mazda are going to be kings of the electric cars. I mean they make such great petrol engines already. lol. Maybe they can make a rotary EV; it'll use more electricity, have less range, way less torque and it'll break down 10 times as often.

      And Toyota have just switched their focus to EVs this year. They are 10 years behind at least. If you've been inside a Toyota, the cabins are 10 years behind the rest of the industry anyway. So let's round it to 20.

      VW which is probably at the forefront of EV development outside of Tesla, just released their ID6 concept to compete with the Model 3/S. It's due for production in 2023, so taking into account VW delays, let say 2024.

      It was less range and slower charging than the current Model 3 and S. The Model S is EOL and the factory is retooling for the new model over Xmas, yet VW, one of the most respected and bleeding edge car manufacturers, can't match the current Model S which started production in 2012, for a car that is due out in 11 years later.

      Tesla hasn't even included their new structural batteries in any product yet. I assume that's what's happening with the new Model S.

      • +1

        And Toyota have just switched their focus to EVs this year. They are 10 years behind at least. If you've been inside a Toyota, the cabins are 10 years behind the rest of the industry anyway. So let's round it to 20.

        I hope you aren't teaching math because that doesn't add up. That is like saying Qantas fleet is 5 years older than Emirates and cabin is 5 years dated and it will take 10 years to catch up. When you know planes can be bought new and seats are designed by a third party and installed quite easily once you order it.

        • That's a joke buddy. My point is that Toyota are far from cutting edge. They make well built cars, but the engines, transmissions and interiors are ancient. The 'updated' interior on the latest Prado is a bad joke. It's like a luxury car from 1989 with an after marketed screen from JB Hifi.

          • @[Deactivated]: Okay joke taken.

            But show me another manufacturer making a Corolla Hybrid Sedan / Hatch competitor for $31k with 3.5L - 4L per 100kms travelled? Everything else aside only about fuel efficiency.

            • @netjock: Well that's not related to this thread at all. But a Corolla hybrid wont do that on the Freeway, and for the same money a VW Polo will, everywhere. It'll also not feel like you spent your hard earned on something out of the 1980s.

              • @[Deactivated]: Search on Green Vehicle Guide

                Combined 3.5L
                Urban 3.4L
                Extra (non urban) 3.6L

                Not sure where you got your facts from.

                • @netjock: I'm not sure how off topic you want to go with this. I couldn't care less about a hybrid Corolla, it's not related to anything in this thread.

                  • -1

                    @[Deactivated]:

                    And Toyota have just switched their focus to EVs this year. They are 10 years behind at least. If you've been inside a Toyota, the cabins are 10 years behind the rest of the industry anyway. So let's round it to 20.

                    On topic of Toyota mentioned earlier in this thread.

                    But a Corolla hybrid wont do that on the Freeway

                    Proven wrong

                    • @netjock: No. Toyota was mentioned as a manufacturer that will catch up with EVs. You somehow brought the fuel economy of a Corolla Hybrid into the discussion. Off topic.

  • +9

    Hey OP, wouldn’t our cities and towns be much nicer environments if all vehicles were electric?

  • -3

    I hope the guy who drives the car with co2 free plates realize his mistake :)

  • +3

    I still hate the term virtue signalling because I think it's overused to try and evalue people genuinely trying to do good…but if ever there was the definition of overprivileged virtue signalling, this is it…

    • +3

      Buying an EV for its lower environmental impact and just driving it, genuinely trying to do some good. (Lawful good)
      Buying an EV just so you can have a holier than thou smug attitude and wear vanity number plates, virtue signalling. (Lawful evil)

      • Whilst I like what I assume to be a D&D reference, I actually think virtue signalling is a good thing if it changes behaviour.

        IF people need to drive, then usually over the lifecycle of the car an EV will be significantly better than a petrol powered car (and will be significantly more so when they become more mainstream).

    • +3

      Yeah let's just keep burning oil until it's a 365 day/year fire season and the reef is a white husk

  • -1

    them batteries gotta go somewhere one day!

    • +8

      Into a recycling plant when there’s enough of them dying to make it worthwhile. Lithium batteries have a very high recyclable content.

    • Most of them go back to residential storage (powerwalls etc)

  • +3

    To trigger people, looks like it worked.

  • -1

    Elon Muskateers and Tesla fanboys incoming to defend their shitbox

    • Huh? How is it a shit box?

      • +4

        He is just bitter. His V8 monster just got beaten and he didnt even hear it

  • +3

    The Tesla gives away the CO2 for free is what he is saying.

  • +2

    Someone a bit salty they don't have a tesla?
    But seriously
    If they have a battery and solar power at home its quite possible

  • +1

    If you want to get a bit saltier, come down to Melbourne. Last time I spotted one with OILFR3 plate, and there was another catchy one before that but couldn't recall. Who cares.

    • MPGLOL is a good troll

  • +2

    Well if he has solar panels at home he could actually be feeding into the grid and charging his Tesla. So maybe C02 EATER might be more accurate. How hard can it be to charge a Tesla from solar in the hottest country in the world?

  • +1

    I always wonder how people think their $100k car is carbon neutral. There is carbon emission associated for every dollar out there. Unless we produce everything carbon neutral. I work in energy industry and we are making huge progress in renewables. But if people spend big on a car obviously that money contributes to more CO2.

  • I don't get it. In Australia you can only have 6 digits in your number plate. How does one observe "CO2FREE" as a number plate?

    • WA has 7 digits

      • plate also match vehicle type ;)

        Also not Model S or X… goes to show…

  • -3

    I saw a white Tesla sedan getting around with number plates that boldly stated "CO2 FREE". Can anyone who can afford a Tesla really be that ignorant?

    No you didn't, number plates in Australia can only have up to 6 characters. You made this up to create a shitstorm.

  • +6

    Does being jealous of another's success generate more or less CO²

  • +3

    Couldn't it just be this simple as the person pays for green power offset of 100% on their power bill. Which they use to charge it? shrugs

  • The world is full of delusional people

    They thrive like cockroaches

  • Saw a Mercedes with NOT BMW plates …he's not delusional, but apparently he likes second best!

    • Most Mercedes modes are superior to the BMW equivalent. The only Mercs that are worse at the regular C classes, (but the C63 is def better than an M3), the GLC is worse than an X3, I think an X5 is better value than a GLE, but the cars are about equal price aside.

      • C63 is definitely better than the M3? The M3 is 300lb or so lighter, has a more rigid chasis and better handling. The only thing the c63 does better is power and sound output. That doesn't make it a better car, let alone definitely better.

        • Many people dispute that the M3 handles better than the C63S. And we don't work in pounds buddy, this isn't 1955. The real world power difference between the M3 and C63S is just too large, it's in a different class. The new soon to be released M3 motor looks like a gem, but with a face only a mother could love, I'm not sure it's going to be the success they are hoping it will be. And it's still slower in a straight line than a Model 3 performance. They should have at least bench marked the Model 3.

          • @[Deactivated]: No need to get nasty, buddy. I won't even bother responding to your childish and irrelevant point on metrics. Power can be fixed with mods, it's easy to make an S55 run 10 seconds down the quarter. Good luck removing that bloat from the C63, and sure, the C63 has been shown to be superior on long tracks, with the F8x being superior on technical courses.

            My point: The C63 is definitely not a 'def better' car. They're pretty much an exact match, with each having strengths and weaknesses.

            And if straight line driving if your thing and expertise, which it appears to be I'll leave you with a quote Colin McRae:

            "Straight roads are for fast cars, turns are for fast drivers.”

  • +12

    Yeah, nah. You’re not very well informed mate.

    Even if you charged with brown electricity in AU it’s still much healthier on primary emissions and after 2-5 years offsets the battery production CO2 (depending on state and kms). Also cool that it’s using locally generated energy instead of foreign oil imported from China or Middle East.

    40% households in AU have rooftop solar. That means he might be driving for free, 0 carbon, or close to it, on Aussie sun.

    The “diesel is greener” bullshit sponsored article has been debunked so quickly and so vehemently that if you still believe it, I can’t help you much. Just watch out for those 5G towers that Bill Gates set up to turn your fish gay 🥸

    • +1

      The “diesel is greener” bullshit sponsored article has been debunked so quickly and so vehemently that if you still believe it

      People just choose to believe what they want to believe because they want that big SUV, sold by marketing into financial slavery. Burning diesel 8L/100km is practically the same (emissions and maintenance cost aside) as 8L/100km for petrol exception being diesel has more torque (for towing / 4WD etc). The big problem in our country is fuel efficiency. If everyone went a bought a hybrid then we'll double our fuel efficiency and send half the amount of money to the oil producers and pay half the fuel excise (obviously government won't be happy).

  • +8

    My tesla is charged 99% of time by its own dedicated 5kw solar system, that I installed on garage, so I can say co free

  • +3

    Dumb argument. Why not just say nothing man-made is co2 free since everything processed including the steel and hard materials. “oh the software is not co2 free because the programmer ate the steak that is grain fed and grains need to be processed!”

  • +2

    Grandparents have a Model 3 and only charge it on the slow charger when the Solar Panels are putting out more energy than needed.

    You could say its CO2 Free to run, excluding the consumables like tyres etc.

  • +9

    If this was in Tasmania then it was CO2 free.

    If he charged it via solar then it was CO2 free.

    Stop being so salty mate.

    • +2

      doesn't even need to be Tasmania if he's running a Zappi charger and is one of the millions of Australians with rooftop solar.

  • +2

    “I should point out that I don't especially care about climate science”
    Not long ago you denied the science itself. But under the weight of most media outlets changing their tune over the last 5 or so years, you’ve given in with the consensus (yes, Murdoch is fadingly holding out - you believed that arsonists were mainly responsible for last summer’s bushfires).
    As a conservative voter (yes, you’re easy to pick) you denied climate science, through wilful ignorance, because it shattered your faulty worldview of needing small government & rugged individualism. Unfortunately, the response to anthropogenic global warming requires a worldwide coordinated effort, meaning major governmental intervention. So rather than taking the effortful path of revising your faulty worldview (which is your identity & hence your being) you took the lazy option of denying reality through confirmation bias & sought out blog posts, YouTube videos, etc with flimsy logic to confirm your ‘rightness’.
    FYI, the CSIRO climate survey of 2015 found that approximately 75% of LNP voters denied anthropogenic global warming (I’m guessing it would be over 90% of One Nation voters)
    Peer reviewed science (a few studies now) has found that conservatives score on average lower on IQ tests than progressives. ABC vote compass found conservatives also have lower average levels of education.
    One thing I notice about conservatives is how they tend to not understand or believe something until they experience it for themselves. Us progressives have to sit around twiddling our thumbs waiting for your acceptance, like with anthropogenic global warming. Hence the labels ‘conservative’ & ‘progressive’
    The sh1tty thing is wilfully ignorant people like you get equal voting rights, holding back change & action

  • Besides all that, one recent study found that, all things being added together, "in reality, the Tesla has emissions between 156 and 181 grams of CO2 per kilometre - significantly more than a comparable diesel Mercedes."

    Most articles I could find via google quoting that as a sourcet link to here, which is dead:
    http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/presse/Pressemitteilungen…

    Pity, would have been an interesting read.

  • LoL…you've got too much time on your hands. Please put it towards something productive :)

  • +5

    "I bet a million dollars it was a coal-fired power station."

    He charges them off the solar panels on his roof. Where do I claim my million dollars? You nitwit..

  • +1

    It's not "General" it is a HATE speech. How has OzBargain allowed this to pass and subject us all you your narcissistic rants.

  • -3

    Time to "nuke" the Hunter and wire the big cities with DC wires!

    The total amount of carbon on planet earth will remain the same.

    All flora depends on carbon in the air. CO2 is NON-TOXIC! It is vital !! Whatever the plants leave behind will be swallowed by ocean waves and leave behind an oilfield for our grandkids!

    Idiots cooling vaccines are just releasing about 100 times the CO2 than all Tesla's together.

    Energy can only be transformed, the Sun is our ONLY supply!

    Stop reading the Murdoch press, it will make you blind!

    Daimler has released likely more soot than Volkswagen AG! Soot will remain in your lungs but doctors will get a covid fee if they get away faking it!

    Well keep breathing Nitros Oxide then it is actually just laughing gas and really only toxic to brainless journo's!

  • +1

    Imagine if he got you as the approving officer for this guys license plate. He would have learnt a very good lesson and rethought his life.

  • +3

    Rooftop solar and battery?
    Easy to do.

    Maybe driver wants to justify why they are driving their gratis Tesla "Coz Free"

  • +4

    I think people just miss the point. We are trying to get away from our reliance on fossil fuels. Whether solar, wind, nuclear,… is the answer only time will tell. By getting an electric car or solar on your roof you may not be carbon neutral, you are just consuming and causing more landfill perhaps, BUT we are giving the message to our government/ industries and to the world that WE CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT and willing to invest in it. Time will tell what the answers are.

    A good greeny friend of mine thinks driving a 6 liter V8 is the best thing to do for the environment, do the planet a favour and burn the carbon fuels and run out of them quicker!

    As flawed as carbon neutral solutions might turn out to be, it is important we all invest in it, show the powers that be that we are interested in innovation and change and willing to invest in it - even waste our money on Teslas (the coolest car/toy/gadget i can imagine no matter what it does or doesn't do for the environment). Let's support these fanatics with their personalised opinionated and maybe misguided plates, they are enthusiastic and vocal about making our world a cleaner place! No climate science needed, let's get rid of smog and smoke!

  • +1

    The solar panels on our roof do a great job of charging our hybrid even on cloudy/rainy days.

  • +2

    interesting, but the real question is: who cares?

    • -6

      Yes, lets all not question propaganda and lies no matter how subtle. Lets all be good NPC's

  • +1

    dont get too carried away by a plate, the other day I saw "LGOPR" in the eastern suburb, so what?

    • +1

      LGOPR got famous and saw his interview in some newspaper….

      • +1

        Love that one. So true!

  • +6

    "Where does he THINK the electricity comes from to charge up his machine??? (I bet a million dollars it was a coal-fired power station)."

    puts a million dollars on the table

    I'll take that bet!

  • look maybe it was a gift and they were too late to buy COZ FREE so he substituted and they don't care about the environment.

  • +4

    My kid sometimes wear a mini Batman costume with the words "My Dad is Batman."

    Should I take it seriously and do a DNA test just to make sure?

    • ahh yes the good old relativism response….

    • Priceless!

      I wonder if a "I love my Mom" Tshirt indicates a need for urgent psychiatric assessment and counseling.

  • +6

    OP states their location as

    The Range, QLD

    Which is a suburb of Rockhampton.
    The current Senator for Queensland is Matthew Canavan, whose office is located in…Rockhampton.

    As a Coalition member he likes coal.

    How much?
    Come to papa hmmm nom-nom-nom!

    No IP trace needed. If it's not chimney-sweep Matty, it's one of his stooges.

  • +1

    Somebody has too much time on their hands - just like me

  • To the OP, you breathe oxygen and guess what comes out. Even you are not CO2 free but that Tesla I am sure is more CO2 free than you ever will be :D

  • +5

    "A lie can travel half-way around the world while the truth is still putting on it's shoes" - Jonathan Swift.

    These false claims were likely sourced by the Munich-based 2019 IFO's hit-peace on EVs, an op-ed written by three authors with no background in the electric car industry, which was thoroughly debunked as an unscientific conspiracy circle-jerk:

    The specious study was promptly and definitively debunked. A few days after it appeared, two of Germany’s major media outlets published detailed analyses that exposed a long list of errors and inaccuracies in the report.

    The concept of the Long Tailpipe probably sounds plausible to many in Germany, which depends heavily on coal for its electricity, and has one of the dirtiest grids in Europe. However, as regular Charged readers know, earlier studies (see below) have found that, on average, EVs are cleaner than legacy vehicles, even if powered 100% by coal. Furthermore, Germany is steadily cleaning up its gird. By 2030, when many of today’s EVs will still be in service, the country plans to be producing two thirds of its energy from renewable sources. So, the basic premise of the study is misleading at the outset, and authors Hans-Werner Sinn, Christoph Buchal and Hans-Dieter Karl go on to present a litany of incorrect assumptions and unfair comparisons.

    EV pundit Auke Hoekstra listed several of these, and wrote that it’s not even accurate to call the piece an academic study. “It is the opinion of three people…none of whom have any background in the (electric) car industry or batteries.” Hoekstra noted that he was not the first to debunk the article – just the first in English (Electrek’s Fred Lambert wasn’t far behind).

    Source: https://chargedevs.com/newswire/here-we-go-again-german-rese…

    Big swing no ding /u/techfixes, better luck next time.

    • cleaning up its gird

      Worst day of the week.

  • +2

    Maybe the owner chargers at home with a large solar panel array and Tesla Powerwalls?

    Hardly something to get your panties in a bunch over.

  • +2

    I should point out that I don't especially care about climate science. Nor do I hate Tesla Cars. I just find his bold public statement about "emissions" particularly odorous.

    Sure, sure…

  • +3

    for those getting upset over a licence plate…

    "I think that generally people have things that are more within their personal purview that are difficult to deal with, and that they’re avoiding, and generally the way they avoid them is by adopting pseudo-moralistic stances on large scale social issues so they look good to their friends and their neighbours. - Jordan Peterson"

  • +5

    I had a cycling jersey once that said zero carbon…which was a lie because my bike frame and wheels were made of carbon fibre.

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