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[Back Order] Seagate Expansion 14TB $331.09, WD Elements Desktop 14TB $345.23 (OOS) + Postage ($0 with Prime) @ Amazon US via AU

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Good $/TB ratio on these external drives drives..

WD Elements 14TB — In stock from 9 March
Seagate Expansion 14TB — Dispatch 1-20 April — Small price drop to $327.91

Use some 3% off coupons from places like Suncorp (or 2% shopback) even better.

Item Price Cost/TB Extra 3%
WD Elements 14TB $345.23 $24.66 $23.92
Seagate Expansion STEB14000402 4TB $329.81 $23.55 $22.85

The Seagate has a longer delivery time (1-4 weeks) if you're after something in a hurry.
Please be aware of Amazon's dynamic pricing, when there's a surge in demand they typically increment prices on stock.

Note on Power Adapters: You'll probably get an American power adapter, so you'll need a converter or people have had success calling the vendor locally and them dispatching a plug. (If you are not shucking them) Some people mention you may get an international adapter on some models. Are you ready to roll the dice champion?
Personal experience, most recently Seagate Expansions of 12TB+ I've bought all came with international adapters. Can't vouch for WD.

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Comments

  • ooo what are the odds the WD ones are still helium drives :)

  • Does the Seagate come with a US power adapter? Will Seagate send out an Australian plug if requested like WD does?

  • just shuck them….

  • Who has experience with both drives from a longevity perspective? I'm needing it as purely a storage drive for TV shows and movies really.

    • If it's important data, always min 2 copies. So buy 2 mirror, feel safer. If you can't afford 2, then data is not worth $345 to you. Both vendors have a history of drives failing all over the spectrum, some come DOA, some live till 10 years. You can't put a hard fast rule on MTBF

      • Funnily enough, this is actually going to be used as my #2 drive :-) I'm usually using WD but with both being relatively the same price, I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask for experience from others. I'll likely stick with WD.

        • +6 votes

          You can stick to whatever you feel comfortable with. For me, I choose whichever is cheapest. There absolutely no evidence that WD is better than Seagate or Toshiba and vice versa. All hard drive is crap. If your expectation that all drives will eventually fail you will avoid disappointment and hopefully have plan around this.

    • more recently I've had better luck with Seagate. But as long as you do your stress test first, either should be good.
      If you get any SMART errors after the stress test, send it back for replacement.

    • Been running mixes of mostly WD, HGST and Seagates in my unraid server for over 10 years. Never has a WD failed on me. Seagate on the other hand, I now avoid.

      Details on failure rates can be found here - https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-fo...

      • Never has a WD failed on me

        Not yet
        Your sample size is just way too small.

        According to backblaze WD has the HIGHEST failure rate:

        https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q4-201...

        All drive fail, just get cheapest one and plan for failure.

        • Yes all drives fail and why my sample rate might be small (50TB), I still believe backblaze support my experiences. The blog you link is 6 years old and I don't have any of those WD drives. You really need to be looking at something like this link https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-fo... HGST is a subsidiary of WD. The HGST brand is slowly being phased out and WD are incorporating their HGST technology into their WD branded HDD. Eg. all my higher capacity reds all have HGST Helium technology. HGST > Seagate. Therefore the WD models I use are greater than Seagate. I have also never had a HSGT fail but one day they will all fail

          • -2 votes

            @4agte:

            I still believe backblaze support my experiences

            The 2020 backlaze link you provided specifically mention :

            "For drive models with over 250,000 drive days over the course of 2020, the Seagate 6TB drive (model: ST6000DX000) leads the way with a 0.23% annualized failure rate (AFR). "

            Backblaze also put money where their mouth is. They added 13,596 new Seagate drive in 2020 compared to 8,508 WD(6002) and HGST(2506) combined.

            I don't know how this can be interpreted as avoid Seagate or supporting your experiences ?

            The blog you link is 6 years old

            Yes - because they don't have much WD drives. 6 Years ago probably was the year use highest number of WD.

            Helium technology

            Backblaze have blog post about this with the following highlight :
            "One conclusion, given this evidence, is that helium doesn’t affect the AFR of hard drives versus air-filled drives"

            • @pig: The highest HGST drive has a highest failure rate of 1.19%.

              Seagate has drive failures including 12.54, 1.71, 1.33, 1.22% but sure cherry pick the results.

              HSGT AFR is 0.47% overall. Seagate is 1.99%. I guess this makes Seagate the Steven Bradbury of winners.

              I am sure the op asked who has personal experience with these drives and that is what I gave. If others have better experience with Seagate they should recommend them.

              I did not say avoid Seagate I said I now avoid.. Why should I buy more Seagate drives? I also put my money where my mouth is. The drives aren't free. It isn't cheap to build a 50TB home server. I don't profit from storage, so the costs of a drive is much greater to me than it is to an enterprise.

  • Helium, RPMs, and other info for WD drives. Table

    • Ok, thanks, but what drive is in these?

      • No idea, track comments here or on reddit. I got 12tb in Nov, got EMFZs, ones from last week were EDAZs. Diff was blue logo on the box first, orange on recent ones.

        • I had a quick look around Reddit but couldn't find much on ebay shucking model numbers from amazon US in the last month. Unless I've messed up my google search query. Can you put up a link or two as examples?

  • What's the write speeds between these two drives?

    I've picked up a couple of the Xbox-branded WD_Blacks last year which cap out at 250mb/s (HGST Ultrastar HC520's on the sticker) so I'm curious which of these will be as fast.

  • Can I disassemble it and use as a NAS drive?

    • Thats called shucking, as in getting the meat out of the shell. You need to google the type of product and drive as some don't have ide connectors, they run usb which is useless for shucking. It can change quickly so look for people who have bought these exact units before. Probably a reddit thread on it.

    • bad idea, they probably use SMR.

  • Dang, just bought 16tb for $450!

  • Just a note on power adapters - you can just use a cheap $1 plug adapter off eBay, as their switching PSUs will handle our voltage and frequency just fine.

    (Or at least the 8/10/12TB Seagates and WD's I've bought have - it'll be written on the PSU if you want to check).

    • WD will send you one out for free but you have to make a login account and ask for it.

      • They will send you upside down adapters unless you specifically request Australian ones and make it clear that it is possible and they do exist it's the same plug the cord just comes out the wrong way on the other ones and can be a

        • Why wouldn't you say you need an Australian adapter anyway? That's the whole point of the message to them. Say you received a US one but need an Australian version. I've done it 4 times to them for all my backup drives. I've never had an issue with them for it

          • @Monstalova: In my experience and a lot of others when we asked for an Australian adapter we receive the universal one with a Chinese adapter it still works but the orientation of the cable comes out the opposite side because they have the same plug as we do but it's upside down so let's say if you plugged it into a PowerPoint wall socket instead of the cable coming out of the bottom like usual it comes out the top and that can be quite annoying in certain situations
            I contacted support again stated I want proper Australian orientated plugs that come out the correct way. And they sent me more of the correct ones

  • The Seagate appears to be OOS.

  • PLEASE 16TB IM SO DESPERATE REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Why is this a deal? WD Elements Desktop 14TB $345.23

    Has been this price for weeks, due to a strong AUD.

  • Request: Add a + to every comment telling you to "SHUCK THEM"

  • Come on Amazon, make the 16TB sub $400. Would love to have a Exo

  • Anyone still seeing the Seagate at this price as I can't find it (has it gone out of stock or just had the price go up as per dynamic pricing ?)

    I picked up a 14T when it was around $350 which seemed good and I would buy a second one if I could get it for $330 or less..

    Just a good 'general purpose' drive for media..

    I was able to get 110Mbyte/sec writes to this drive when copying data via USB3 from our previous LaCie 8T drive (which is SMR). It is quite a noisy drive though so keep that in mind.

    • Got it for 327 too, am needing a couple more myself so waiting for the price to come down

  • Are these external hard drive designed to be plugged in 24/7? Will it damage if you do?

    • They aren't really external drives. They are just WD/Seagate's internal drives put into an external enclosure. This is generally anyone running large capacity server's preferred way to obtain drives much cheaply. All drives have a limited life but having them connected to a 24/7 should generally not impact it's life too much. I've generally been lucky with drives and not experience any outright failures. I just pulled a 5TB WD green because it had a few poor sectors. Any drive in my server has been replaced at the 5-6 year mark to make place for a larger capacity drive.

      • interesting, so what are "true" external drives then?

        • For a 3.5" drive I am not sure if there is. Not sure about 2.5" anymore. I know in the past some drives could not be shucked as the usb and power internal board was part of the drive. Drives that can be shucked drives, that board can be easily removed as seen here https://youtu.be/Xekv2Y2mmfQ?t=208

          • @4agte: An external drive is an internal drive with an attached controller. Some are soldered on (like some WDs) and some are separate like on these. They're perfectly fine to keep plugged in 24/7 and I have half a dozen going strong for many years. Deadly slow drives but great for archive storage/occasional read.

            • @Hybroid: Thanks for confirming that. Been a while since I have seen one soldered on but then again I have bought models in which others have confirmed can be shucked.