• expired

Dell G5 Gaming Desktop (Core i7-10700F 16GB RAM 1TB SSD RTX 3070) $1,999 Shipped (Late June) @ Dell eBay

7511
PNVDG20

This deal is back. 1999 for a half decent gaming machine.
I know that Gamers Nexus did a tear down on one of these recently, and they didn't have many nice things to say, however it seems like a decent deal provided you have the extra cash to beef the case fans up…

Specs for those interested:
Processor
10th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-10700F processor(8-Core, 16M Cache, 2.9GHz to 4.8GHz)
Operating System
Windows 10 Home (64 bit) English
Video Card
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB GDDR6
Memory
16GB, 2x8GB, DDR4, 2933Mhz
Hard Drive
1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
Warranty
1Y In-Home Hardware Service
Keyboard
Dell Wired Keyboard KB216 Black (English)
Mouse
Dell Wired Mouse MS116 Black
Power Cord
Power Cord (ANZ)
Wireless
802.11ac 1x1 WiFi and Bluetooth
Chassis
500W Chassis with Bezel Lighting

Original Coupon Deal

Related Stores

eBay Australia
eBay Australia
Marketplace
Dell
Dell

closed Comments

  • +1 vote

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/324461734495?_trkparms=aid%3D111... This also turns out to be like $1800 with same code. 3060 ti

  • +133 votes

    Be aware of build quality issues, non standard parts and bloatware galore. See this video by Gamers Nexus.

    As an example, the heatsink connects to the case and the front USBs are on the motherboard.

    • +3 votes

      thx for info

    • +6 votes

      omg that's disgusting

    • +4 votes

      That is AWFUL. Wow. Complete shite.

    • +13 votes

      Gotta love tech Jesus.

    •  

      Yeh was going to post this vid too good stuff man

    • -4 votes

      I got some version of this around Christmas time. I have posted in other threads about how barely adequate the cooling is…BUT that video is crap.

      He is a drama queen, pure and simple.

      The "bloatware" has zero impact on performance for me. I have reached the stage where I don't change or upgrade components. After DECADES of building PCs I realised that my requirements are generic.

      So the USBs are on the board? Who cares.

      Given the shortage of supply and high prices, this is fine for your average users. I get exactly the performance I expect.

      Again, YES the cooling is barely adequate but to make out that these are worthless is ridiculous.

      "The PSU is stupidly crap". It does the job. How is that crap?

      • +3 votes

        How's the system handle summer?

        What are the effects of the barely adequate cooling? Is it noise or thermal throttling?

      • +16 votes

        This PC may be absolute garbage but it's MY garbage.

      • +9 votes

        The main issue I see (and this is addressed in the video) is that once the warranty is up, if/when something breaks and it's one of the propriety components like the MB or PSU, you (or more likely a computer repair shop given the target market) can't replace the failed component unless you get the part out of another Dell system 2nd hand (and if it failed on yours outside of warranty, it's probably a weak point in those type of systems, so what's the availability going to be like 2nd hand?). So you've got a much higher potential for the entire system to turn into e-waste at that point, not to mention the money lost.

        • +5 votes

          He was very even handed , just making sure people were aware that they were basically buying a dead end system, if that does not worry you that's fine but I'm sure it would be a concern to many.

          • -1 vote

            @RichardZed: If you get to that point you can buy a case and MB and move over the CPU, ram, ssd, hdd and GPU.

            Jesus, what drama queens.

        •  

          That's entirely correct, but it doesn't make it "garbage".

          It's like saying Tesla cars are garbage because you can't get oem parts. Yes it's a disadvantage but it doesn't invalidate the product entirely.

          Lol what a bunch of panty-waists on this site, so upright over "muh custom PCs". Well here's another comment for you to release your pent-up passive aggressiveness over and downvote.

          • +9 votes

            @spudgun: The fact that you need to mod a pre-built system to get proper performance out of it is problematic and in itself worthy of a downvote.

            Here's your old comment:

            I got the XPS at Christmas. It runs very hot and loud. You can see some very minor improvements to cooling compared to earlier versions but it's clear that Dell will spend the absolute minimum to make it better.

            People have worked out various mods but it's hassle and expense. I just leave the side of the case off and be thankful it was a mild summer in Sydney.

            Does post-purchase rationalisation also have 7 stages?

        • +2 votes

          no different to a mac

      • +1 vote

        +1 to that

        I'm a "cheaper now, problems later" kinda guy… got to the point where I realised gotta stop overthinking things because I'll likely not be doing any major upgrades. And if the mobo fails in 3 to 5 years time then so be it. I'll likely be looking at newer models then and itching for any reason to upgrade anyway lol.

        (I have the 1070 Dell build from a few years ago on a 460w psu.. still going strong…)

        /insert meme if it dies, it dies

        •  

          Or you know… buy a MB and case for $200.

        •  

          Yup I have an XPS with a 1070.

          But it seems the new models you can't swap the psu, unlike the old ones.

    • +2 votes

      One of the most brutal reviews of a PC ever.

      •  

        well yea. but it looks like 5hit inside it

    • -1 vote

      Serious question: If airflow is an issue why not transplant to a ~$50 case? Still a good price for a 3070 build….

      • -2 votes

        Exactly. How did this never occur to such wise PC builder to buy the thing and move the parts onto whatever MB and case you like.

      • +7 votes

        Motherboard - proprietary, only works in the case
        PSU - only works with motherboard
        CPU cooler - requires a new one if moving case as it's tied to the motherboard.

        It would be easier to simply buy some case fans and a new CPU cooler as this user has done.

        • +1 vote

          Yes I'm actually the person who told them to install a Noctua U9s and NF-A9 pwm. I also told Dawid to do it on his youtube channel.

          Look at the post history here on this.

          •  

            @lunchbox99: I thought about it for my XPS actually, but its not enough of an upgrade over the big cooler to bother with. This cooler on this PC - it would be a huge upgrade.

            •  

              @Franc-T: No it is still a huge upgrade over the big cooler.

              Your stock big cooler will allow the CPU to hit 90C then it will throttle the CPU (check your clock speeds) to stop it getting any hotter. After fitting the U9S my CPU (xps with 10700K) was 25C cooler under full load and does not throttle at all.

      • +4 votes

        you definitely haven't watched the video, it is not a standard motherboard, the front IO is also part of the PCB, the motherboard inside will fit and only fit this case.

        Same goes with CPU cooler and WiFi Module, the case serve as part of the backplate to mount the cooler and the WiFi module.

        Non standard PSU, lowest tier cooling GPU.

        garbage BIOS,

        the i5 model GN reviewed come with 3200 C22 JEDEC Spec ram and are force downclocked to 2666, good chance it's running at 2666c22, not to mention it's single channel. this i7 will be running 2933c22 dual channel which still is not that ideal.

        though bloatware isn't a issue since you can re-install windows.

        I guess if you can keep rtx3070 and sell the rest?

        10700f worth $300, 16G ram $100, low tier b460 = $100, low tier PSU = $80, low tier Case = $50, low end 1tb m.2 = $120, so the rest of PC except GPU roughly worth $750 if those aren't OEM parts, if you can sell them at $600, then $1400 + all the hassle to get a crap-tier RTX3070.

    • +2 votes

      Good comment, I just watched that review yesterday aswell. POS system

    • +6 votes

      Ok. I recently bought the XPS version of this with the K processor and the big (ie adequate) heatsink for around the same price a month or so ago. That had similarly bad reviews but I have found that the PC is pretty good.

      By no means is that a perfect machine, but its not as bad as Gamers Nexus and others point out. Prebuilts are simply not nearly as good as the equivalent assembled machine, but you simply cant get a custom pc for this price at the present so it does represnt really good value. But as the cooling is so bad - it kinda defeats the purpose of this machine as as if the CPU starts throttling, theres no point having a reasonably high end gaming card to back it up - but as a prebuilt pc it is pretty good value otherwise.

      And yes, you cant really do much to it upgrade wise, but honestly if you are someone who upgrades your machines, you typically arent the target market for this. Like buying a Skoda and comparing it against a Mustang for aftermarket performance mods.

      I personally wouldnt recommend it, but solely because of the cooling issue, nothing else about the system is that much of a red flag.

      • +1 vote

        Yeah these muppets are talking crap. Put a Noctua U9S on it and replace the back fan with a NF-A9 PWM and it's fine. Get both delivered from newegg for $100 total.

  • +12 votes
    •  

      This Spoolax bloke knows whats what - follow the link

      •  

        Associated with Dell?

      • +6 votes

        Basically one of the worst pre-built gaming pc money can buy…

        • +12 votes

          Yeah, I was like 10700f, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, RTX 3070… $2,000 sounds like good value.

          But then you inspect those components: SSD isn't nVme, the RAM is slow, there's not enough VRAM for 4K gaming, the Intel CPU has no upgrade path. And you realise it's not that good, and at best this is a "fair" offer in today's ill market.

          But then you dig deeper. You realise the Bios is limited. There's unwanted bloat/spyware. The quality of the components across the board are low. The case is bad. The PSU is stupidly crap. The cooling is horrendous. The customer service is hair-tearing. And yeah, for $2000 even in todays market this is a rip-off.

          You may as well get a proper build the first time. Upfront: pay once, cry once.

          • +5 votes

            @Kangal: Absolutely agree, not worth the money long term. If any one of the many proprietary parts goes bad outside warranty and you'd wish you bought any other companies pre built

          • +1 vote

            @Kangal:

            there's not enough VRAM for 4K gaming,

            I would not game 4k on a 3070…

            p.s. not associated with dell or anything.

            •  

              @nsuinteger: Well, this tier of performance is ready for 4K-Gaming, that is if it didn't constantly run out of memory. These higher quality textures need that extra memory (16GB VRAM is fine).

              And before anyone starts complaining, no you do not need to Max out all the settings. Usually there's a point of diminishing returns after High Quality. You have to tweak things for your setup to make the most of it. You can tweak these so you get an acceptable performance at 4K, but you cannot magically add more RAM. That's why AMD looks to be the better value this round, but, I digress (GPU shortage/scalpers).

              Case in point: Red Dead Redemption 2.
              Lots of people getting 45fps on 4K Max with an RX-6800, but when they used HUBO Settings, they're getting 75fps. With basically little-to-none decrease in visual fidelity.

          • +6 votes

            @Kangal:

            The PSU is stupidly crap.

            Technically for anyone that should remotely consider this, the PSU is 'better'. 12V PSUs are much more energy efficient. Dell has been putting them in PCs for a while and they're a big plus for corporates with whole fleets of PCs that save a lot on power. Shame the 12VO standard is still so hard to get parts for and this apparently somewhat? doesn't comply with that either.

            With all the proprietary crap, no one should buy this unless you're budgeting for, and planning on Dell doing all the maintenance on it until you throw it out.

            Basically if the motherboard dies, and it's not under warranty, you'll need a new MB, Case and PSU or to pay Dell whatever. That aside it's not that shit if you're absolutely never ever going to do anything but keep it under warranty or replace it. That's not me, but there's a target market for that.

            • +1 vote

              @jkart: 12V PSU is energy efficient when you make your PC sleep, however, if you work or play on it, they consume nearly the same energy. And nowadays most parts in your PC using 12v. For personal use, 12V only PSU does not mean so much but increases the price.

              • +2 votes

                @garfield0018: 12V PSU is cheaper to manufacture, so it actually lowers the price existing PSUs have evolved over decades to have a heap of voltages that mostly aren't used anymore that require complex PSUs.

                And it's actually quite a bit more power efficient unless you're actually pushing it hard. Yes, if you're maxing it out there's not much difference, but for basic office productivity it can use as much as 50% less power. This is a big deal for offices full of computers that are mostly pretty idle. Obviously for most home users, if you shut down / put the computer to sleep when not using it, and only use it a few hours a day it's not really much different.

                In any case, my main point is that it's not worse. Technically. This version is proprietary and as such has all the associated issues with that, but 'stupidly crap' isn't really accurate. Dell would be getting to save money on the manufacturing, and giving businesses a more power efficient product, and before the standard existed it's something only really they could do due to scale.

                • -2 votes

                  @jkart: most new PSU have their 5v/3.3v on DC-DC conversion, 12VO basically make all those DC-DC conversion within PSU on motherboard instead.
                  The only thing I like about 12VO is less bulky cable on 24pin -> 10pin, but nothing else.

    • +21 votes

      People are just realising prebuilt computers are all proprietary, not really upgradable and use questionable parts? Ohhhhh how quickly do we forget these things.

      • +10 votes

        Imagine the downvotes if you made these claims before GN's video.

        • +3 votes

          I'd be downvoted into the ground so hard. I bet people will start downvoting me too for even pointing out the fact that this is the case with prebuilts.

          • +2 votes

            @Clear: Yep, although not desktops, the G5 SE (4800H, RX 5600m) and G7 17 (i7 10750H, RTX 2070) are consistently upvoted, but equally bad products that avoid negs due to a lack of techtuber coverage.

            Double standards?

            • +4 votes

              @TeddyBear: Always double standards. It only takes 1 person to neg and they all follow. These will be popular again in no time.

      • +15 votes

        Not all prebuild are dell-like bad and / or proprietary. This is a false statement.

      • -11 votes

        Exactly.
        Fat gutted Jesus is just a Drama Queen.
        His channel and hardware unboxed just look for manufactured fake drama.
        Thats all their channels are about.

        This PC is fine. My Nephew has it and loves it.
        its a set and forget PC and performs 100% how you would expect these parts too.

    •  

      Nice video but is it not for a different build (diff CPU, GPU, RAM amount)?
      I guess the proprietary nature(PSU, MB etc) would still exist with what's in the post..

  •  

    How much is the 3070 going for nowadays (as in official retailer prices and not FB Market prices)? It was kind of Ozb suicide to buy my Gaming OC 3070 for $1250 in March but I heard prices have risen even more now?

    •  

      Maybe $1700

      • +15 votes

        👁👄👁

        • -1 vote

          Username checks out

        •  

          Could be worse!

      •  

        😬

    • +4 votes

      Keep in mind if it's anything like the model that GN reviewed, then the 3070 they are using will be a bargain bin generic 3070 with the worst cooler you've ever seen, running a Dell vBIOS

      •  

        No it isn't. It's an MSI. Why would dell make GPUs….

        •  

          Uhhh, did you even watch the review? The 1660S that they had was a super generic single fan card with no branding running a Dell vBIOS.
          Of course Dell isn't making the actual GPU, that comes from NVIDIA. But if you're talking about 3rd party board partners, I might as well answer your question with why would Gigabyte, MSI, EVGA, Palit, Asrock, Zotac, Asus etc etc make GPUs?

          • +2 votes

            @MoleManMike: I own a Dell 3070 - which is the card you were talking about. it is an MSI. I know it's not a match for your uninformed speculation…

            •  

              @lunchbox99: Ok so in the case of the 3070 specced G5 it might be an MSI, or even just in the batch that included your particular PC. That doesn't change the fact that at least in the case of the 1660s spec, Dell absolutely does use generic Dell GPUs with subpar cooling in the G5.

              As you would see if you watched the video. It's 100% not speculation.

              •  

                @MoleManMike: Ummm your comment was not about the 1660s.

                Keep in mind if it's anything like the model that GN reviewed, then the 3070 they are using will be a bargain bin generic 3070 with the worst cooler you've ever seen, running a Dell vBIOS

                Like have you had a stroke since posting that?

                •  

                  @lunchbox99: "Keep in mind if it's anything like the model that GN reviewed"

                  "Uhhh, did you even watch the review? The 1660S that they had was a super generic single fan card with no branding running a Dell vBIOS."

                  • +1 vote

                    @MoleManMike: Yes and I replied about the 3070. The thing you were actually speculating about.

                    • -1 vote

                      @lunchbox99: Also check my comment later in this thread where FireRunner confirms:

                      "It's a Dell OEM 3070. Two fans, non-blower type with a single 8-pin power connector."

                      So, uh, ya wrong.

                      • +1 vote

                        @MoleManMike: Yes it's an MSI, which is what I said.

                        https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3070-TWIN-FAN

                        It's only "OEM" in the sense that it's not got an MSI logo on it.

                        •  

                          @lunchbox99: That MSI twin fan looks nothing like the 3070 that comes in the G5 from what I've seen?
                          https://m.imgur.com/a/cSBfVZi

                          •  

                            @MoleManMike: Thats nothing what it looks like in mine. I have read that it might actually be made by PNY not MSI though.

                            Mine looks like a founder edition card.
                            https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_rtx_...

                            Note it also has an 8 pin connector.

                            •  

                              @lunchbox99: Honestly with the shortage of supply, and how many prebuilts Dell is sending out, they probably use a variety of different suppliers for the GPU, thats probably why it isn't shown in photos or listed in the specs on their or anyone elses listings for the G5.

                              •  

                                @MoleManMike: Probably. Mine is an XPS 8940 not a G5, but they are basically the same thing with different plastic bits on the case.

                        •  

                          @lunchbox99: Not doubting you, but curious as to how you've identified it as an MSI card?

                          •  

                            @ihfree: I didn't - people on the reddit and dell support forums did some detective work.

                            •  

                              @lunchbox99: Interesting, thank you. I did see a thread that mentioned both ECS and MSI as potential OEMs. I didn't really dig into it further.

                              • +1 vote

                                @ihfree: Yeah maybe. In any case, it's essentially just a founder edition card with stock 8 pin. Many other cards have more connectors because they are OC editions, but the base spec from Nvidia is only 8 pin.

  • +5 votes

    So this thing will be fine as long as you:

    1.) Never upgrade anything but the RAM and GPU, don't bother with anything else, maybe case fans but be careful

    2.) Format and reinstall immediately.

      • +2 votes

        CPU - If you want to upgrade in the future, you'll be stuck with the current(or current +1) generation which will probably be overpriced. There's only 1 or 2 better CPUs. It's unlikely that a future generation would support the current socket.
        If you decide to do a typical switch of CPU/Mobo/Ram, you'll also need to change PSU/Case.

        If the motherboard fails out of warranty, you'll likely require a new case, PSU and HSF if you can't find the proprietary one cheaply.

        Graphics card - Manufacturers generally use PSU wattage as a rating and have to accomodate for the cheapest PSUs. In this case, you might be OK, however if there is a significant chance in power requirements, you'll be out of luck as it's a proprietary PSU, and require a new motherboard/case/psu.

        One of the big advantages of PC is standard interchangeable parts which this system throws away. If you look at it from an environmental point of view, this will likely be responsible for more e-waste. Typically a case, storage and possibly a PSU(PSUs may move to a new standard soon) will move between upgrades.

        • +3 votes

          you're buying intel cpu, you're not gonna get to upgrade the cpu and not have to get a new motherboard regardless

          Dell 3070 is reference specs so they don't actually need lots of power, i used to think that this is important too

          the reason this is a bargain because it is adequate and it is cheap, to neg it cause you can build something better at a few hundreds extra is beside the point

          •  

            @ln28909:

            you're buying intel cpu, you're not gonna get to upgrade the cpu and not have to get a new motherboard regardless

            Covered already.

            Dell 3070 is reference specs so they don't actually need lots of power, i used to think that this is important too

            It does however affect upgradability as the PSU wattage is fixed. If you do want to upgrade GPU, you'll need a new mobo/psu in addition to the new card.

            the reason this is a bargain because it is adequate and it is cheap, to neg it cause you can build something better at a few hundreds extra is beside the point

            I don't think it's worth a down vote, point of my original comment is more a buyer beware. It could be a shock to buyers who buyers who find out later on - afaik, quite a few computers go to shops for upgrades. Quite honestly, I'm not across pre-built gaming PCs. However, I wouldn't expect custom components to that level and it's different to what i've seen of them in the past.

          •  

            @ln28909: I would say, with this price tag, you are buying a MSI GeForce RTX 3070 Twin Fan budget series + dell build. it is fair deal to some people who needs it.

        •  

          Can't really upgrade the CPU as you can't attach a new cooler to it…

        • +1 vote

          You're assuming that the target customer of these pre-built PCs would want to upgrade components at some point

          Your comment was over before it started.

          •  

            @Lorindor: My comment is just information for potential buyers to form their own opinion.

            I'm not sure why it upsets you.

            I'm not sure why you're such a simp for Michael.

  • +5 votes

    Everyone keeps upvoting these but a simply Google search shows worrying results about them overheating.

  • +22 votes

    Got this for 1799 about 2 months ago,

    upgraded the CPU cooler and 2 case fans,
    added a SSD
    All together upgrade cost probably around $200

    The preinstalled system is actually pretty clean, there were only a few dell update tools that is useful

    Overall happy with the machine, runs everything at max settings on 2k no problem, after the upgrade the cpu and gpu temp stays around 70 when gaming and silent

    • +3 votes

      But are you a popular YouTube channel that reviewed it?

      No, move along!