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Canon EOS RP Full Frame Mirrorless Camera with RF 24-105mm IS STM Lens $1698 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Harvey Norman

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Cheapest I’ve seen for a while for the Kit. Start of the EOY discounts I guess.

ETA. I bought this yesterday from HN. I tried to price match with JB which worked fine BUT they would only take one payment method and I wanted to pay part gift card and part credit card. I’m in Melbourne (lockdown) so JB says it’s an online purchase and wouldnt take a split payment. I know HN isn’t the best, but it was super easy to buy click and collect using multiple payment methods and 1 hour later I had it in my hands 🙌
I am upgrading from a 12+ year old Rebel XSi so it’s a steep learning curve for me now 😆

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  • +11 votes

    deep breath and note to self
    "ÿou don't need this

    • +12 votes

      At least wait for somewhere other than HN

      • +5 votes

        price match it

      • +2 votes

        my story was the opposite: some online stores had it for $1749 but no stock around me, and I wanted it like today
        and it was Boxing day, so I only had one day
        at the end of the day Harvey Norman was the only physical store that had stock and agreed to price match

        I wasn't happy buying from Harvey but at least it was $2000+ list price and the store rep was crying over how they are losing money on these so I guess it's still a win

        • +3 votes

          when you've got no other option I'm not going to hold it against you or anyone, just would prefer anyone but Harveys at the moment.

        • +2 votes

          You do what you gotta do. Pick your battles.

          If they were losing money on them, why did they agree to sell it to you? Lies. They're all a bunch of liars in HN. I wouldn't feel bad for the price match at all.

          • +1 vote

            @Munki: a few other stores like Teds, Michael's, JB Hi-Fi refused to price match that as they claimed they pay more than that to Canon for these kits, so I guess it's either all of them lied, or it was in fact true

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              @shabaka: JB Hifi Chadstone agreed to price match yesterday but I didn’t go ahead with the purchase.

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      Buy it for me :P lol

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    How does this compare to the Sony A6400?

    • +3 votes

      They are different format sensors, Sony is APS-C and Canon RP is full-frame. Most people seem to prefer the full frame look, which has some advantages in areas like depth of field, and you get to use the full scope of the lense focal point (ie. a 50mm lens is a true 50mm without crop).

      For video, personally I'd pick the Sony.

    • +5 votes

      what Kintiki said, basically. RP is an amazing full frame camera Canon should have made ages ago, but was a bit late to the show

      see Ken Rockwell review here

      it has fantastic ergonomics, 3 presets on the mode dial, suitable for a number of professional applications

      a bit slow shutter for sports, and a bit narrow dynamic range for some challenging lighting in landscapes, but it's a great camera overall. Unless you shoot sports or VOGUE magazine covers, you don't need R5 or R6 or R (and R won't help you BTW, it's just as slow, just better dynamic range).

      Sony ergonomics suck, and colors are mediocre, but they rule in video department.

      if you want stills over video, choose Canon. If the other way around, Sony.

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        Thanks for that, its great

        I've got a budget around $2k, we want to get a camera for my partner to use as a dentist and also one we can take with us on trips and outings, so something compact would be perfect.
        It will mostly be used for photos.

        What would your recommened, I was pretty set on the A6400 but im a nooby and would really apprecaite the advice, I dont know about lenses and costs and realiability ect ect.

        • +1 vote

          6400 is more compact, and is an APS-C camera, so lenses and camera itself will be lighter, if size and weight are any importance for you

          but honestly RP with this kit lens is the lightest full frame kit I have ever seen, just a tad larger than my previous APS-C Canon m50, and it's got that super pro look and feel to it, this camera has a lot of potential to grow into photography as you learn it, so I would recommend Canon over Sony if photos are more important to you.

          Just grab a 50 or 35 1.8 for any indoor outings, and kit will work fantastic for you outdoors. 50 1.8 is the best bang for your buck here.

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            @shabaka: A bit late and not on sale anymore but… Would this work for milky way photography? I have a Olympus em10II now but I'm not fully satisfied.

            Cheers

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              @ets27: why isn't Olympus working for you?

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                @shabaka: For milky way (astro) I can't get similar results as bigger sensors.
                In general, I got much better shot with my previous EOS M (now, regretfully sold, it was the very first Canon mirrorless). Might be a lens issue.

                I'd like to upgrade to something a bit next level and MFT probably isn't.

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                  @ets27: are we talking long exposures from a tripod? I think m50 or m6 markii would also be an option, and they are also pocketable and light

                  with a big sensor come big lenses, big expensive lenses

                  I think APS-C Canon will work great as well if you don't want to go full frame? an Olympus owner might still be disappointed to see that any quality glass for full frame is rather big

                  I handle RP with 24-105/4L and it's probably a bit over what I would like to carry daily around my neck - but minimum to get high quality shots on that system

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                    @shabaka: Yes, long exp with a tripod.
                    What is currently holding me from buying a full frame is the size and cost of the lenses. But I also would like to buy into a system that I will stick to for the next 10 years.

                    I have to say that I use an OMD EM-10 with a 12-40mm pro, which is not exactly a light lens.

                    What would you suggest for astrophotography, milky way shots and landscapes/cities?

                    cheers

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                      @ets27: I am biased because Canon is the only system I would use without ranting

                      and RF is the way of the future, so the options are either R or RP for the body, and then you have a few options for lenses depending on your price range

                      RF mount native lenses cost arm and leg, though, and are rather large

                      so you could get EF to RF adapter and mount EF 16-35/4L IS it's a stellar performer for landscapes, and will serve you well for astro, too

                      or if you prefer primes you can put on the (used) EF 14L or 24L or 35L what your budget allows you

                      going native RF you have 50 1.8 and 35 1.8, but will their sharpness be enough for you corner to corner is a question. another option is RF 15-35/2.8L but it's huge and expensive. There's RF 24-105/4L it's very versatile and not too huge, and this kit will do a lot for you besides the intended purpose

                      so what's your target budget for the whole kit?

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                        @shabaka: Well..
                        I have an OM10 body that I could sell for say 300, 12/40 pro for say 500, 12mmF2.0 another 300 (worst case scenario), zoom lens another 100.
                        I would like to spend around $1000, preferably before EOFY, which translates to around $2,000 budget if I count the above.

                        But happy to spend more if this is justified.

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                          @ets27: tight timeframe, mate :)

                          but I would say that if you find a good deal on RP and RF 24-105L this is a solid serious quality kit miles ahead of om10, and you won't be much over the budget if you do things right

                          I got my 24-105L for 1400 at one of recent eBay sales, and RP - shop around, there bound to be some deals for eofy

                          you could of course go for the RP kit with 24-105 STM lens, but it's not good enough at wide angle (24) and not fast enough at long angle so I don't recommend it to seasoned photographers. you can get the kit and sell the lens for 400 to contribute to the overall budget, but that's a lot of buying and selling.

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                            @shabaka: Price is pretty good. What sort of photography do you do?

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                              @ets27: I do portraits in studio and outdoors, reporting, street photography, used to do a bit of sports, but recently sold the lens for that

                              my favorite (and most inflexible) lens is Canon EF 200/2.8L. it's a fantastic portrait prime (needs a bit of distance to work, but results will blow your mind), also suitable for street photography as it allows for one hand operation (it's light), and is black as opposed to the other Canon long 2.8 options which are exclusively white colored and attract unnecessary attention. sports photography is also possible although I would grab trusted 70-200/2.8L for that and suffer the consequences, although 200mm isn't long enough at times

                              otherwise I use 24-105/4L IS for almost everything else. it's that versatile and suitable for professional use. also 5 stops of IS.

                              another gem is EF 300/4L IS but it's even less flexible than 200/2.8L. but has IS and you're getting mind blowing IQ out of it

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                                @shabaka: thanks! I am so confused now… I think I will have a lot of read. Still thinking about that A7c and this Eos RP…

                                • +1 vote

                                  @ets27: a7c will easily blow your budget, the camera alone. but in the end it is up to you of course.

                                  RP makes fantastic photos.

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                                    @shabaka: What do you think about this deal? Would that be an improvement for Astro and milky way shots over my Oly?
                                    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/633455

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                                      @ets27: yes that's a good sensor, and solid autofocus system

                                      and a good package overall

                                      kit lens is shit, pawn ot immediately, and get native 22/2 or 32/1.4 whichever the budget allows

                                      or any of the sigma primes (16, 35, 56)

                                      this would be fantastic

                                      another native lens that works fantastic is 11-22 it's amazingly sharp and gives super wide angle, but isn't very fast

                                      also remember Canon might retire EOS-M line any moment, although it might still be a while away as it's very popular in Japan

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                                        @shabaka: How come they are retiring? In favour of what?

                                        • +1 vote

                                          @ets27: RF mount. there are rumours they will launch crop RF mount camera and lenses

                                          they aren't keen to support four mounts (EF, RF, EF-M, EF-S) and there haven't been new lenses for EF-M for a while

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                                            @shabaka: Yeah I might hold on on this one then.. doesn't make much sense to buy something that could be discontinued

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                                              @ets27: yes. if you like analogies, here's one:

                                              you have a patch of land and you want to turn it into a garden. you need a tractor to do it, but you only have a skateboard at the moment. instead of getting a tractor you buy a bigger skateboard. you still won't get the job done

                                              don't buy a bigger skateboard, get a full frame camera and open new horizons :)

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            @shabaka: Thanks for your recommendation, I did have a noob question though.

            Since this lens is 24 - 105, why should i get a 35 or 50mm lens since this one already covers those?

            And should I get the RF lenses?

            • +1 vote

              @Hashstrid: hi mate. it all depends on what your budget is, and what do you like to do

              24-105 is a one-lens-do-it-all solution, and comes with a number of compromises (image quality, maximum aperture, etc.) and is good for someone who shoots on auto and wants to be able to freely frame the shot without moving around much

              but if you know what you need, you should get a suitable prime because it's more likely to be a lot better than 24-105 at relevant focus distance:
              - better image quality
              - better low light capabilities
              - more blurred backgrounds

              50 1.8 is a good portrait lens, and a good walk around lens. 35 1.8 macro is also a good walk around lens (some people prefer 35mm to 50mm) and also can do some cool portraits (not too tightly framed), and macro as well, and has IS which is why it costs more than 50 1.8, it's just more versatile.

              RF vs EF question: it's just a matter of preference and budget again.

              RF:
              - end result is more compact (no adapter required) and light
              - all lens corrections data is built into your camera firmware, no extra steps required to get camera to correct your pictures in camera
              - design matches body design, so it just looks better
              - very limited lens selection
              - they are fkin expensive, especially the L ones
              - so they are "money-no-object" great image quality choices

              EF:
              - considerably cheaper
              - but the result will be longer and heavier as you need to factor in the adapter
              - you might (most likely will) need to fumble with Canon EOS utility to get lens correction data into your camera body, very few lenses' correction data come pre-installed into Canon bodies
              - they were designed to be put on EF mount DSLR bodies, so they might look out of place on RF body on an adaptor
              - but you can get some impressive image quality without selling a kidney to buy RF mount lenses.

              like for example if you want to make portraits that blow everyone's mind away, on RF mount you will have to buy something that costs $3000 or more, while if you go down "adapted EF lens" path, you can get one of absolutely fantastic portrait lenses (used) from eBay for around $1000. think EF 200/2.8L mkii or 70-200/2.8 IS mark i, just shop around. or 70-200/4L IS. all of them will give you fantastic image quality, for which you will have to pay $2000+ more on RF mount.

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                @shabaka: This is really great, thank you so much, appreciate it

        •  

          What about point and shoot cameras like an RX100?

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            @BROKENKEYBOARD: RX100 series is fantastic but its smaller sensor means it can't handle low light, nor nice depth of field, as well as any mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. Even the smallest, the MFT Oly and Panasonics. Obviously, however, the RX series is the most compact of them all, and the best camera is one you actually bother taking with you. So prob down to Hashtrid's bag space and shoulder strength!

      • +1 vote

        Regardless of the info, I wouldn't trust ken rockwell's opinion on anything camera related. Just look through his gallery and blog and you will see just how bad a photographer he is.

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          that's true, I always take what he says with a grain of salt, maybe a spoon of salt even

          he raves on just about anything he reviews

          but on RP I agree with a lot of what he says. all controls on RP are well thought out, Canon menus and settings are the best there is, and colors are amazing

          yep his photos are awful

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            @shabaka: The later model Sony's, including the a6400 are much better in colour reproduction.

            In fact, they are trying to ape canon's colours to a degree. While it's different, it's still very good and not as bad as the days of the a7ii and a7rii.

            You might still have some green or grey shadows here and there but they are much reduced compared to past generations.

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              @ankor: yep, that's very true.

              looking at real life applications however, people who will shoot on full auto and use OOC JPEG will be more likely to favor what Canon is able to output. and people who shoot RAW will blow original colors to hell in LR anyway, so who cares about color science these days

              people looking bluish grey are in trend these days, probably because everyone switched to sony 7 right around mark ii release haha

              I am half joking of course, but yeah. it's all matter of preference really, and what you're used to. I tried all the systems, but Canon was my first one, and is just most convenient for me. I am a Canon man! guilty, your honor

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                @shabaka: Hahaha all good. I recommended an Eos r to my FIL cos he's been with Canon for about 25 years. One brother shoots Sony, another Fuji.

                They're all good systems now and tbh, the 24105 rf lens is really sweet and at a great price point. Canon menus are definitely a thing as well.

                Sony is definitely the pits regarding its menu structures and it's various colour profiles for sooc need a bit of tweaking to be acceptable. Also, Sony exposures on my a7iii are almost always at -0.7 or lower to preserve highlights and not blow out any skin patches.

                I keep thinking someone really old and senior at Sony Japan designed the menu for their camera and every underling there ever since hasn't been able to change the menu system in order to 'save face' to their wizened old boss.

                Notwithstanding all of the above, I'm now a die in the wool Sony convert but if Fuji had a full frame system, I'd be very tempted to move across.

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          Second this. I bought a Nikon D300 back in the day based largely on his glowing review - and loathed it. Not a personal opinion either - the camera just sucked in almost every possible way. A friend had a similar experience from his advice. Zero trust left.

    • +2 votes

      I think like most things it depends on what you want to do and your budget. Full frame is always more expensive than APSC, though the gap has gotten closer in recent years and at this price, the Canon is a steal.

      If you just want to take some photos for social media or for the family album, I would say that the newer mobile phones will suffice and are a better investment due to the convenience and subtlety.

      If you want more options to try out different types of shots and occasionally shoot in dim lighting, particularly when you need to zoom in a fair amount, then APSC will suit you more.

      If you are an enthusiast who plans to shoot a lot of landscapes or in low light setting, and likes to crop and edit photos, then full frame would be the better choice.

      Personally I went the APSC route because I prefer the smaller size and I mainly take portraits so full frame didn't really made much sense to me. However there are definitely times where I would have preferred to have a full frame especially when shooting at night and landscapes when travelling.

      Edit: Just a word of caution, photography can be an expensive hobby especially if you start wanting more lenses/gear :)

      • +1 vote

        Ah yeah I forgot to say, full frame is usually better for low-light situations, bigger pixels. Sony has a good reputation for low light though, but I'm not sure how much of their tech made it into the 6400 (their Alpha cameras are mind-blowing with low light).

    • +1 vote

      sony is ok, but you have to consider the lenses you want to get. canon would have the most lenses to choose from because you can use RF lens, also EF-S and EF lens when you attach an adapter.

      i love the canon colors it produces, then nikon, then sony.

      if you are just taking videos and pictures for fun i would go with the m50, m6, or the sony.

      if you want to turn professional, shoot a lot in low light, and have a huge budget, I would go RP.

      I shoot (portraits) 5Dm4, (action) 7Dm2, & (travel) M6m2
      just my $0.02

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    How good is the kit lens?

    • +1 vote

      I still have mine after 6 months. for outdoors and lots of light it's good. if unsure what to take with you, just grab that and you'll be fine

      it is capable of creating shallow DOF, and has fantastic IS. can do x0.5 maximum magnification. it's very good.

      but needs lots of light to work

      if you want to shoot low light, grab 50/1.8 or 35/1.8 depending on what's your favorite FOV.

      for anything more or less professional you will want to grab an L lineup lens, at least 24-105/4L. The rest are ultra expensive and honestly if you do need one every day you won't be looking at RP.

  • +2 votes

    this is great price
    I bought it on Boxing day sales for $50 more, but Canon had $250 cashback then

    I love mine, still have the original kit lens, too. Canon RP is amazing, a lot of camera for this price.

  • +3 votes

    Would rather price match this or even pay more elsewhere as long as it's not buying from a business without integrity like HN

    • +1 vote

      Defs use it as a price match. JB has it in stock and will match.

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    Any comparisons with this very popular recent Sony deal? I don't have any previous investment in full-frame lenses but do have a Sony RX10IV and RX100VA, so more familiar with Sony cameras (but have experience with 12 year-old a Canon APS-C DLSR).

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    Have been using one of these as my main camera for a little while now after upgrading from a 7d (although I'm using the RF 24-105 F4 L lens) . Has been a great camera for me, aside from the battery life being quite poor, and the ergonomics not being fantastic. Easily solved by buying a couple of extra genuine batteries and an extension grip. For the price, it's a fantastic piece of equipment.

    • +1 vote

      yeah it's a camera for people with smaller hands. alternatively yes, get a grip on it haha

      I used it with huge 28-300L on EF to RP adapter, without a grip

      fantastic camera. I have 2 batteries, yeah. But I also have a USB-C charger in the car, it charges the camera while I drive

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      what sort of photography do you use it for?

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    I am planning to take my hobby to the next level and want to learn professional photography as I go. Is this Camera good for that purpose? Or shall I go for Nikon?

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      perfect for that purpose.

    • +4 votes

      I am planning to take my hobby to the next level and want to learn professional photography as I go.

      If your budget go a bit further, I'd recommend the Nikon Z5, Amazon has just dropped the price to $1390. It is know to be the best value entry level stills full frame. Allow $360 for the adapter if you want access to older Nikkor lenses (plenty of cheap lens on the used market plus third party like Sigma's). Lots of good reviews if you google up.
      They also dropped price for the Nikon Z 5 + Nikkor Z 24-50mm f/4-6.3 Kit $1831
      P.S. I am a Canon/Sony/Panasonic/Olympus owner and I appreciate all brands.

    • +1 vote

      This is the wrong camera for professional pursuits. The imaging sensor is multiple generations removed from what you'll find in most any modern camera. The 9 stops of dynamic range at base ISO is roughly equivalent to what the 1-inch sensor compacts offer (RX100, LX10, etc). Performance is well behind micro four thirds even, which has a significantly smaller sensor.

      The Z5 mentioned by Buy2Much is a decent option and will be superior in every quantifiable metric. Following is a link to an industry reference for scientific measurement of sensor performance. You can add more cameras by selecting them from the right hand list: Photons to Photos

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    hey OP add this store as a price match opportunity

    https://www.ryda.com.au/canon-eos-rp-body-mirrorless-camera-...

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    Great camera for the price, the lenses may be expensive but the RF35 f1.8 and RF 85 f2 are exceptional lenses for non L (canon's professional grade lenses).
    This kit lens is also really good for a kit lens, only issue is obviously the aperture, but if you're shooting outdoors mostly then not an issue, the sharpness and image quality is excellent for the price point.

    If anyone wants to buy my RP body (less than 2 months old) so I can burn a hole in my pocket picking up an R6, PM me ;) located in Sydney

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    Damn you Ozbargain! Why do you tempt us so?

    I want this camera but the timing sucks.

  • +4 votes

    This may be a decent camera, but it’s worth keeping in mind that it has one of the worst full-frame sensors ever made. If you care about dynamic range and shooting in challenging conditions, capturing details in sunrise and sunset shots, etc., then you don’t want this camera. Testing shows it performs far worse than even very old APS-C sensors when you push the shadows and highlights of the RAW file: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen...

    • +1 vote

      Thought admittedly, if you're pushing the shadows 6EV (as in that test), you're probably doing something wrong… ;).

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        For general photography and shooting jpegs, I imagine this camera is excellent. Canon is renowned for its excellent jpeg colours. It’s worth noting that the jpegs produced by the camera will often have pushed shadows/highlights around +1 ev or more, and to produce a similar jpeg from the RAW file you would have to do the same. In contrasty scenes or sunrises where you don’t want the foreground completely black, you will often have to push the shadows +2, +3, sometimes even +5 ev. Of course you can avoid this with bracketing and a great deal of post-processing, but not everyone has a tripod handy in such situations or enjoys long post-processing sessions. The camera should only be avoided by those who tend to push their RAW files a lot to create a look that they prefer.

    • +1 vote

      the fact that you will get into trouble if you have to push your shadows +6EV doesn't mean that this is "one of the worst full-frame sensors ever made"

      if you don't push your shadows +6EV (not many people do that), this is as good full frame sensor as any.

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        "if you don't push your shadows +6EV (not many people do that), this is as good full frame sensor as any."

        What on earth are you talking about? 9 stops of dynamic range is appalling.

        https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%2...

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          and? https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%2...

          same as 5d mkiii

          a lot of people still use that professionally

          dynamic range isn't everything, and few people will actually care. This is OzBargain, not OzProPhoto. This is still a very usable, compact, and practical FF camera for everyone that turns in amazing pictures

          • -1 vote

            @shabaka: You're making my point. The 5D IV released half a decade ago and even it has a sensor substantially superior to the antiquated III. The advancements in sensor tech since the 5DIII released are profound.

            Some people race cars that were made 40 years ago professionally. That doesn't make them a sensible purchase in 2021.

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              @Haptic Feedback Man: RP is a recently released camera that makes beautiful pictures. which makes it a sensible purchase in 2021

              listening to you, everyone should buy a Ferrari to commute to the office every day :D

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                @shabaka:

                RP is a recently released camera that…

                …has the dated internals of a camera released a decade ago. Technology marches on. No Ferrari necessary :P

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                  @Haptic Feedback Man: each to his own :) when I do important shoots I hire 1dx for the weekend, I don't do this often enough to actually buy the gear. cheaper this way in the long run - and I get to try all sorts of glass on it. and hey, when they release R1 or R3 I'd probably switch to that? or 1dx will become cheaper to rent, win either way

                  but for day to day photography, family, little gigs, OOC JPEG's from this little RP are fantastic, and people love them. that's the best evidence that this camera is good. no spending hours in post, just a simple one-size-fits-all run in color projects and I'm done

                  if it gives you bad RAW files, well sorry mate, what can I say. Who cares about dated tech, it does the job.

  • +1 vote

    Hmm.. Been thinking of upgrading my Oly E-M1 with 12-40 f2.8 Pro lens. Might make the switch back to FF.

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      I spent a few months with e-m5ii between my Canon bodies and while I was impressed with what Olympus delivers in a tiny package, plus IBIS plus ability to customise the shit out of the numerous controls, the thing would still drive me insane in an alarming number of various situations, plus it falls flat on its face in low light

      plus it had a number of stupid limitations which should be easy to fix with a firmware update but never got fixed, so I sold it and said nah never again

      plus getting good colors isn't easy, plus setting the damn thing up took 3 weeks of reading some arcane online guides

      anyway. going back to Canon RP was like moving from Fargo North Dakota to Portland Oregon. suddenly everything became easy and predictable, and repeatable which is fantastic

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        I have the OMD EM5II as well. I've invested so much in glass I can't imagine switching systems without a fair amount of crying, but I agree that the smaller sensor makes depth of field and low light shooting a huge limitation.

        That said, I left DSLRs behind because my bag was just too heavy and bulky when travelling with it. Not because of the body, but because of the lenses. I think manufacturers and reviewers concentrate far too much on the body when discussing portability. It's when you have more than one lens that you realise portability is mainly about the glass - MFT has so many very decent, absurdly tiny tiny lenses, esp pancake lenses. And FF lenses will always be bigger, heavier because you simply can't shrink them that much because of the physical size of the sensor.

        Of course, if you have no problems carrying around a bit more bulk and weight, your photos in low light and where you want some bokeh will leave an Oly and Pany for dead. The only time I can get decent depth of field is by using a 45mm f/1.8 (equivalent to 90MM FF) ie the long focal length gets me that isolation.

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          yes, I also had 45/1.8 which did fantastic job for portraits and in general, but still amount of noise I was getting in darker areas of the image on a cloudy day was just too annoying

          and yes, that was my reason exactly - less weight, small size, I could pack the kit pancake 14-42ez and have a pocketable do-it-all. in fact the whole kit (oly body, 40-150R, 14-42, and 45/1.8) was less than Canon 6D body alone (forget about 70-200 killer whale in the room)

          but at the end of the day, I was looking at the pictures I was able to produce with my good old 6D + 70-200 setup and wishing I could go back in time

          then again, Canon RP is just 485g (compared to oly e-m5ii 469g) that's a very little difference for something that holds a full frame sensor, and a huge step up in DOF and low light IQ

          yes a decent lens will weigh it down some, but this 24-105 kit is very very light (395g), and I don't feel RP + this lens at all, it just weighs nothing (my hands are trained by years of holding 2+kg of photo gear for hours on end though). and considering that you are likely to get similar if not better performance out of it compared to oly 12-40 2.8 pro (382 g) you are actually looking at about the same weight package.

          yes a decent pro lens will weigh you down (like 24-105L or 70-200L) but the same applies to every system out there.

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            @shabaka: Very true re the 12-40 Oly Pro - that's why I don't have any Oly Pro lenses nor the bigger units like the Pana Leica or the 75mm f1.8. All of mine are the light little primes like the 45 f1.8, the Panny 20mm f 1.7 pancake, and the 14-150mm travel zoom. Sometimes I've had those primes in my jacket pockets, along with the EM5II. Obv a quality hit, but on longer walks or big days on my feet, it seems worth it.

            I'd be interested to watch when the RP lens series expands to see how heavy the glass is esp compared to Sony and Fuji, which really seem not much more compact than DSLR lenses.

            That said, I really do miss having the effortless low light and DoF of a bigger sensor camera. The Canon RP is meant to be a fair bit slower (esp shutter) than the Olympus and other mirrorless - did you notice that when shooting candids or when in motion?

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              @y2k: yes, just a bit. there's a bit of longer shutter delay, and burst speed is not that great, but nothing critical really

              this is obviously not the camera of choice for sports, no doubt about it

              let's see how RF lens lineup moves forward, I think there's just one really good option for a prosumer: 24-105L and that's 700g which isn't bad. certainly beats the monster 28-300L that I carry every once in a while

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              @y2k: As a former Sony a6000 user, I could get about with a 12mm lens, 24mm lens, 35mm and/or the 50mm. I also bought a 1670 f/4 lens and it was a super light travel combo combining that lens with one or two primes.

              It's certainly not as light as any m43 setup but you could really notice the differences in colour tonalities and noise.

              It felt like iso 3200 on Sony was about iso 8000 on my OMD em10. I was very disappointed with it and it's menus. The best part of the em10 was it's tiny size, quiet shutter sound, cute retro look and accessible dials.

              At one stage I was wishing that I had a Sony sensor and lens setup within the omd body.

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    Pro: cheap fullframe mirroless
    Cons: poor image quality, expensive RF lenses
    If you are new to photography, an rx100 or zv1 or a6xxx may suit you better.
    If you really want a fullframe, then the cheapest a7iii was 1850 after cashback. A few hundred more for a much much much better camera.

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    No weather sealing. Just a toy.

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    I got this couple of months ago as my first DSLR and felt the need of a better lens and better skillset😅

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    Ok to those saying don't buy the camera because image quality is poor; seriously get some perspective here.

    Is the sensor dated compared to some competition? Sure absolutely if all you cared about is dynamic range. But some people talk as if dynamic range is like the only metric to measure image quality and I wonder how many out there are actually needing all that DR especially considering the target audience for a camera such as this. Also who's actually pushing 5-6 stops in post all the time? "Not as good" does not equate to "bad/poor".

    This is coming from someone who's shot a shit tonne of sunrise/sunsets/astrophotography and had shot with the "notoriously bad" 5D3 for many years.

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      yes, dynamic range isn't everything. this is a great camera especially for the price

      this is what consumer full frame camera should have been all along, and this is OzBargain, not OzProPhoto

      so anyone thinking that this is a shit camera is posting this on the wrong website

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      Absolutely. I shoot predominantly sunrise/sunset using a Canon 7dii (pretty outdated sensor), and the photos turn out great. I use ND filters to help manage the sky and occasionally do some luminosity masking.

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        Too many people reading reviews instead of actually out there shooting and learning the craft.

        Not even apologising for Canon here either; for years I've recommended people to take a look at Nikon/Sony/Fuji/Oly etc if they're not committed to a system particularly for quite a while in the full frame department you're getting more camera for the money with Nikon and Sony. But some people make it sound like name your camera can't take a remotely decent looking picture because another is "better".

        Let's not even get into things like brand ecosystem and ergonomics because they obviously don't matter with choosing a brand and overall enjoyment when shooting with a camera. /sarcasm

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      Dynamic range is the difference between taking a photo with deep blue skies and voluminous clouds, or one with a sky clipped to white.

      Anyone saying it's only important when pushing shadows 6 stops is being deliberately misleading. And just for reference: the RX100 compacts have as much max dynamic range as the RP. Contemporary entry-level full-frame cameras have 30% more DR. It's not like it's a trivial difference. Even hobbyist photographers will spend many thousands of dollars upgrading gear for just a fraction of this type of improvement.

      You guys are obviously enthused about your camera but I'm not sure you're doing anyone a service with this "sensor performance isn't important" rhetoric.

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        yup that's very true, but not everyone likes shooting landscapes I guess?

        and yeah, no one says that this is the ultimate camera. hobbyists and pros alike are welcome to spend thousands more, this post isn't for them :)

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        Read what I wrote again carefully. No one is saying DR is not important; I for one definitely am not. Once again as someone that shoot heaps of sunrise/set I understand the importance of DR. What I AM saying though is so many people read reviews and place so much importance on DR they neglect other aspects of the sensor and come up with ridiculous statements like the image quality is poor it's rubbish and that absolutely does a disservice to people who does not have as much knowledge and understanding about cameras and how things work. I ask again for a good amount of people and particularly the ones that this camera is aimed at how many do you think is making use of that dynamic range?

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          I ask again for a good amount of people and particularly the ones that this camera is aimed at how many do you think is making use of that dynamic range?

          Everybody? Not trying to be facetious. Nine stops of measurable DR is going to feel dismayingly constrictive to anyone 'upgrading' from a modern mobile with computational photography.

          And I say that coming from a dead system (m43). If you're going to make this type of outlay on photography gear in 2021 then you absolutely need the hardware to be relevant based on contemporary performance. The disparity here is just too pronounced. The Z5 deal mentioned by someone above is so much better value from a price to performance perspective that I genuinely feel terrible for anyone who buys this camera.

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            @Haptic Feedback Man: Sure, let's just agree to disagree. If you truly feel that one single metric makes or breaks a camera's capability to capture a good image or makes it a horrendous value proposition so be it. Actually deviating from my original point about DR not being the most important thing regarding camera's ability to make good images/image quality and somehow talking about value now so this is getting pointless.

            DxO measures 11.9 stops of DR by the way: https://www.dxomark.com/canon-eos-rp-sensor-review/

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        Never said that sensor performance isn't important. Just shared that I'm happy with the performance of the sensor in my outdated camera, and find ways to make up for dynamic range. I said this to support the value of this deal, not to claim that sensor performance is unimportant. Would appreciate sparing the accusation that I'm being "rhetorical."

        • +1 vote

          Exactly. Apparently something that does the job can't exist; it's either utterly rubbish or amazing there's no in between.