Might be a good price for someone who need it. About 2 weeks waiting. (Pre-Order ETA: 16/08/2021)
This is LHR model.
This is a bare bones model, so consider this a 40% mark-up over MSRP.
Curious.. what makes this a "bare bones" model exactly?
Roughly the same boost clock as FE.
It's a compact 2-fan card at stock clocks. Expect it to be loud, or to downclock quickly at load.
Not sure who begged you but you're right
this is a 3060ti lol, 2 fan is plenty for cooling
Have you actually owned this card or are you talking out of your ass?
Having owned several of the ASUS DUAL cards, they're very quiet and compact.
@samba: This is a Dual Mini.
There are normally 3 power configurations for each model (eg 3060ti, 3080, etc) , the cheapest use the lowest power configuration which = cheapest power delivery stage(the amount of watts the card can use), cheapest fans and heatsinks
The design of the circuit board and the components are considered to be "just enough". The GPU chip inside is more-or-less the same, but things like overclocking performance, ability to sustain load, cooling, noise, etc. are less than other models in the 3060ti series. Sometimes the board manufacturer will also only include the slowest 3060ti chips that Nvidia produces in the lower-priced models (usually only a small difference, usually 2-3% performance gap)
In the case of this GPU, the heatsink is thin (less surface area for cooling), it is dual fan (2 fans working harder is louder and higher pitched than 3 working slower), and the internals is of lower quality than the high-end models (capacitor choice etc.).
So according to Kotaku (who referenced Nvidia) the MSRP was meant to be $688 for the RTX 3060 ti https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/12/nvidia-rtx-3060-ti-austral...
$859 / $688 = 24.86% above that MSRP, if this is correct (can someone link another source if this is incorrect please?). If things were in more normal times, you'd probably expect this to cost $710 or $720, maybe only $700.
TechPowerUp for stats - it looks fairly baseline, just a smaller PCB and 2 slot cooler. Remember it's only a 200W GPU, but it'll still probably run louder and/or hotter than regular PCB models with more substantial coolers.
Should be similar to a 2080 in terms of performance, so from that perspective, doesn't seem like that bad of a deal (in my opinion).
Yeah I thought the same, but to be fair you have to consider that the RRP for cards that weren't launch cards are "inflated" inherently. If times were normal, the RRP that they would have given may have been lower.
Exchange rates are a thing, initially higher delivery costs due to covid were a thing.
Comparing it to a 2080 almost 3 years after those launched is a bit laughable.
2060 trades blows with the 1080Ti at times… and exceeds via DLSS… should we have been happy with that being worth $1100 in mid-2020?
Yeah I'm interested in how you arrived at 40% above MSRP though? Is that the 'ideal' MSRP that we would've liked to see compared to a comparably "ranked" 20 series card? As in, 60 class or 60 super/ti class?
@conza: $400 USD + 10 % GST + 5-10% additional overhead for Aussie retailers.
I don't care if the sticker price for this turns out to be $420 in the US, it is a poorly built card and would be sold for no higher than NVIDIA's recommended retail price if there were any pressure to do so.
@jasswolf: Yeah so $440USD is $610 AUD, from that point of view I can see your 40% there, got it. $90 is a fair wack for transport to here I agree, the US vs AU dollar is almost in the same place today vs December 2020 when it launched too, so that is quite a lot for an Aussie tax.
@conza: I did allow for higher business costs and CoL in AU, but that's the gist of it, yes.
USD to AUD rate was $1.43 when this card would have seen its first orders, and it would have been $1.30 when these were ordered, which is a 9% drop.
@conza: Don't forget in Australia all GPUs are usually imported by Distributors, and retailers purchase their GPUs from them. So expect another 20-25% overhead.
AIB -> Distributors -> Retailers, here in Australia, plus also GST betweeen Distributors -> Retailers and then to the consumer.
I bought an RTX 3060 Ti in December 2020 for AUD 709. Got lucky because they went out of stock pretty much straight after that, only to return with a much higher price tag.
I pulled the trigger already this morning, but was struggling a bit.
Thank you for the information. The MSRP (RRP in Australia) from Kotaku sounds reasonable. I remembered I paid about $450 for GTX 970 in June 2015, then I paid exactly $769 for GTX 1070 in July 2016 not long after it was launched. So yeah, I presume $688 is a good reasonable RRP in Australia.
Personally I forecasted the price will continue to slide down, but I have been waiting for so long. I remembered that RTX 3070 was selling about $1100 not long after it was launched and there were plenty of stocks. Everyone wanted a 3080 and refused to pay $1100 for a 3070, including myself.
But honestly, buy or wait, I thought either way is a good option, $859 was still overpriced, but not crazily, waiting can also be a good option. Similar cards such as 6600 XT, 6600, 3050 Ti and 3050 will be launched soon, these cards should put more pressures on the 3060 Ti and 3060.
Do you have a better model/price to share?
Do you have a problem with people posting a valuation for those who are interested in gathering that information before considering a purchase?
Oh wait, you do, because the above comment is apparently how you frame the discussion. Jog on.
Why so mad? I'm asking an honest question.
If you're saying that this is a barebones model that's bad value, do you have a suggestion which is a better model or price?
It's nice to talk in hypotheticals…
You promised us incredible performance to price ratios last year! You were the chosen one! /s
Finally getting close to a point where I will actually pick up a new GPU soon. Maybe.
What you do you use at the moment? If you have something like a gtx 1080 or better I would just hold off. These prices are crazy
I am using a 1650super at the moment but planning to upgrade my whole PC for like 12months as I still have a i7 3770k (almost 10 years old), the thing thats been holding me back is the GPU prices and I know they will keep going down, but think I will likely pull the trigger in the next month or 2
Just bear in mind that if you are interested in ray tracing and that's one of your reasons for upgrading, I think it's still a generation or two away from being widely useful.
I have a 3080 and RT is not worth it yet, in my opinion. DLSS also looks kinda crap compared to native resolution in a lot of cases.
Fingers crossed that prices come close to MSRP by Christmas
Tell him he's dreaming
He is NOT dreaming.
I just want a 2 slot EGVA or something card, getting annoying waiting for it. Ideally a 3070.
I have a 6700 xt at the moment which I absolutely love, but it's an XFX card and its bloody huge, can't use any of the other slots on my board and it blocks my drive sleds.
At least your case can fit it. I need a 6800 XT that's 315mm or less in length for a reasonable price. Unfortunately PLE's XFX offering is massive.
Forever waiting patiently for the Nitro+ to show some price movement :(
To be honest it hardly worked, and I had to compromise.
I was frustrated because the card is massive, and both the XFX website and PLE both don't have dimensions, so when it arrived it was either make it work or return it and go without a GPU forever more.
Sorry to hear, at least you have it working somewhat. I just checked PLE's website for the dimensions and it's at the bottom in XFX's product information graphic.
Not for this card it isn't.
@thedean: Wow that's really slack on their behalf.
@thedean: Custom loop time :D you’ll get lots of space back for other PCI slots
Measure the space inside your case yourself. I bought a case which stated 300mm max length for a gpu but i could actually fit a 330mm XFX and a front fan intake case fan in there, made me worried for nothing.
What price would you buy at for EVGA 3070? (instock, not preorder)
Id hate for my 1080ti stop working in these times…
May god be with you
Stop using your PC now so it won't suddenly break down…
Should Mwave represent the price if AUD MSRP is $688 crossed out then their price of $859 or should it be represented 1299 crossed out then 859 ;) ;)
Anybody else finding the website is kinda broken atm?
ETA over 2 weeks? No thanks, I'll try my luck waiting for something in stock to show up within that time period.
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This is pure price gouging, gamers should hold the line, there is no reason for these LHR models to be so expensive.
The non-LHR models are fairly priced due to mining profits, so it's the invisible hand of the market. The LHR (non-compromised ones) should not be this expensive.
LHR gpu can still mine, this card can make around AUD3+/day after elec, at $859, ROI is 280 days , even less if you consider tax incentives, coming down to 6 months is possible. 6 months to ROI is highly desirable, and people were happily paying when ROI time was way longer
I don't think any miner would be buying these cards, there are way better alternatives out there. The idea for the LHR limiter is to make it less profitable in relation to other cards, hence not desirable to miners, leaving those cards for gamers to enjoy.
I have first hand experience seeing people buying LHR cards in bulk for mining at the right price
@ln28909: Wow, I will look into it. Are you talking about the non-compromised LHR cards? The compromised ones like the 3060 do not count as the limiter can be circumvented.
@techlead: the non-compromised one, like 3070ti
Supply and demand. TSMC cannot supply enough chips to everyone. Thus even LHR models are low in supply.
I think Nvidia and AMD secretly wants to sell the non-LHR cards, they bring in more margin for them
If I’m not mining do I go non-LHR or LHR?
If you are not mining, then LHR should be ok if its at the right price. Some people think that there may be a performance impact due to the limiter, but this has not been supported with any actual evidence, gaming benchmarks have shown that performance is pretty much identity between LHR and non-LHR versions.
LHR stands for Light Hashrate by the way. Its a limiter on the speed at which the card hashes in ETHhash, which is Ethereum's protocol.
Prices seem to be heading downwards which is good for everyone interested in graphics cards, having said that though I was expecting more of a sudden crash in the freemarket owing to the mining bust in china. Are Nvidia and AMD controlling the supply (further) to not have that crash?
Its only China and the used cards are probably sold in China only. So the price reduction probably reflects the decrease in China buying those cards.
I heard that Nvidia were hoarding on a lot of 3060 cards for when the 6600XT and 6600 are released as competition. Also prices stay stagnant for the time being as suppliers of gpus bought the cards at high prices so they wouldn't want to sell at a lower price, however suppliers are now getting gpus at lower prices, so the consumers should feel this change hopefully in the near future. 🤞
yes, it all seems quite sus to me with the gpu price stabilisation. IMHO the china crypto ban should've had a more profound effect on the gpu market. It has in china and should've trickled outside of China.
What seems to be happening though is that the price graph seems to be moving in discrete downward jumps as opposed to a more free flowing downward trajectory indicative of market flooding with GPUs as a result of the crypto ban
Don't believe everything you hear in the media.
China have a crackdown every year, the latest is targeting the power-hungry asic farms, not GPUs. ie: A single ASIC can use 3,000kw of power and stack as tightly as GPU's with no future re-use.
Some miners have reduced their investments in GPUs due to Ethereum planning to move from POW (mining) to POS (proof of stake\ownership).
Even with the ASICs most Chinese miners just relocated their equipment to other countries.
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3060ti vs RX6700XT?
The most annoying thing about most Nvidia cards is they have lower ram than AMD. And with a 4K monitor….
Both AMD and Nvidia have advantages, but seriously GPU RAM speeds is not one of them. Drivers are still superior on Nvidia (AMD drivers have come a long way are now pretty good), faster RTX and DLSS is still class leading and provides a great 4k experience.
RX6700XT has double the ram and 10% faster, so 3070 would be a better comparison.
What card is better, comes down to your use cases/
is this one better?
The GPU on your link non-TI, there is a big difference in performance between 3060ti and 3060
Depends if you need GPU RAM, certainly not gamers.
It's actually around $890 after adding postage, card fee and postage insurance (which I'd probably want for something this expensive).
Realistically, what should these be priced as? They are always above MSRP($690), that's just normal so anything in the 700 ish range should be fine? Is that the price to snap? Given what's happening I think 800ish is fair but I'll wait, I'm not desperate.
Just an update for anyone that ordered this card. I've just been informed by mwave that the new ETA is now the 6th of October. This is still just an estimate and it could still be further out.
It's currently in stock… I received my preorder yesterday:)