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Yes. V 2.0.
Yea
You mean reselling?
What, to use and abuse 24/7 mining crypto when it's not being used for the odd hour or three of gaming, then resell on to someone else when it's nearly out of warranty and not tell them it's been mined to death thinking it'll pay for itself and then you get free GPU upgrade.
Seen a few people try flog ex-mining GPUs saying they're lightly used (or they've upgraded their RTX 3070 etc), but when you do the leg work, you find that this is one of perhaps 5 - 10 GPUs they had.
Call me salty, but when I've been waiting for nearly 12 months to replace 2 missing GPUs and 1 old Pascal and can't do so because of scalpers, miners or hoarders, reselling is the last thing on my mind when I just want to game with family and friends.
@Revrnd: Don't be an idiot. Mining doesn't significantly on card performance:
https://www.facebook.com/LinusTech/videos/266852171625461/@alexisagun8: Are these server GPUs designed to run in a climate controller room 24/7 with components and cooling solutions engineered toward heat evacuation and management.. No
Are these desktop GPUs that just push their hot air around inside a case (sans-water cooled GPUs) and are designed for gaming first and foremost. Yes.
Mileage may vary, but sure… lets just push more of our gaming GPU supply toward crypto and further away from MSRP because clearly I'm an idiot gamer who can't get hold of a couple of GPUs to play co-op with family during lockdown / covid….
or doesn't that exist either.
@Revrnd: I'm not a fan of scalpers or miners, but the falsehoods of mining cards being trash is only going to hurt gamers even more because they will refuse to buy them for no good reason, driving prices of other cards high.
There are actually some advantages to mined cards, most will have worked at a constant load and temperature without thermal cycling like cards that are used for gaming.
Only issue that may bear consideration is having dried up thermal paste on cards that have been mining for 5 years or so, but not many people are going to be after 10 series cards on the used market anyway.@Revrnd: Miners actually treat their cards really well (undervolting so they run cooler, less stress than gaming and in open air rigs with heaps of cooling), and they perform identically even after years and years of mining 24/7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqVvXTanzI
I think you need to chill a bit on your crusade.
@studentl0an: That's miners who know what they're doing… When someone has to ask "is it LHR" and can't take 3 seconds to google that GPU name, are they really going to take the time to look into undervolting and caring for a card they intend on mining with.
Forgive me if I'm not looking at this through rose coloured glasses, but the truth is not so black and white when it comes to how people care for their components.
@Revrnd: Eth mining doesnt really push the GPU at all (mine sits on 50c, 1500Mhz), its mostly a memory bound operation.
@BargainKen: Perhaps, but with numerous reports of memory on 3080's etc sitting between 100c and 110c consistently when mining, its not really good for the life of the memory chips.
@Revrnd: Two things you can do there, upgrade the thermal pads and up the speed on the cooler. Mine sits @ 75% temps 86-90c with a +950Mhz overclock.
Even if the card itself does degrade over time, it would have paid itself off not to mention obsolete and not worth much.
@BargainKen: I know this, even if I don't mine. But the real issue I have is that not everyone who intends on mining on these will be taking the same degree of care.
Upgrading thermal pads I feel will be beyond the capacity of many (especially those who can't even do a quick google to determine if a GPU here is LHR), they'll either RMA the card citing overheating issues, or pass it onto some unsuspecting 3rd party and just rinse / repeat with a new GPU.
@Revrnd: Server GPU aren't that different to desktop GPU. Usually just your standard low profile cards rebranded as Dell or HP.
@alexisagun8: Oh, and forgot (can't edit original comment), if there was no real concerns about the GPU after mining for so long.. why then would crypto miners pass on older cards? Surely by your own statement (and supported by your LTT clip) that mining doesn't affect GPUs.
Admit it, the cards will be abused for as long as they can, and then when ROI is achieved and warranty is getting close to ending, the cards will be dumped back into the system for someone else to inherit the problem.
@Revrnd: Likely because newer cards are more power efficient at mining. Performance per watt matters when you're doing it en-masse.
@Revrnd: I use dozens of cards for mining, 24/7.
The highest temperature I have on them is 59C. Not sure how's that abusive.
@[Deactivated]: No wonder I can't get a GPU for my daughter's PC. lol.
Thankfully she's still got Xbox to fall back on though.
@Revrnd: It's just the market right now. I only just managed to get a 3080, and I'd been keen to buy one since they were announced. They just weren't in stock.
Can't do anything about market conditions so personally, it seems pretty stressful to be as engaged as you are on things you can't control. At least you should be able to get one soon?
Gotta admit. I'm really impressed by the 3080. It doesn't really need to be OC'd for gaming. It's really cool. Very big card though. Almost a computer attached to the computer at this point!
@Revrnd: I like buying GPUs off miners, because they keep them running 24/7 (no heat/cool cycles which stress solder joints), they under volt them, maximize cooling, avoid dust build-up, etc.
A mate bought a used ex-mining RX580 4 years ago and it still works perfectly today.@idonotknowwhy: True. I got a 1070 from a miner during the first crashes after its launch which is still running perfectly fine today as well. Makes sense since most of them constantly monitor temps & optimise running conditions so they don't have issues selling the card. Where as regular consumers would mostly do maintenance once/twice a year and unknowingly run the card at high temps. There's no guarantee miner would do this, especially now with more people getting into it, but if you're buying from some with a decent online reputation and not a stranger on gumtree I don't see the issue.
@[Deactivated]: this is what I was trying to get at.
Regular consumers who think they'll make a quick buck, run cards at thermal max temps for weeks or months on end, flog it off when it's nearly out of warranty and then some poor person gets lied to when the miner says "it hasn't been mined, only used on games".
Miners who know what they're doing, the only problem I have with them is that they're hoovering up supplies, it's the ones who think LHR is bad, want a non-LHR to get the best hashrate out of it and then highest resale when they've done with it.
Unfortunately a lot of people here downvoted which leads me to think that either
A - they intend on doing just this, or
B - they're miners who know what they're doing, but just took offence to me stating a fact as people continue to hoover up the GPUs advertised and mine every other hour its not being used, or
C - Just don't think it's a problem 'cause they can afford to buy an RTX 30 series for 50-80% over RRP.
https://www.gigabyte.com/au/Graphics-Card/GV-N3080EAGLE-OC-1…
All of 3 seconds to find that this is Lite Hash Rate.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nbminer-update-restores-70…
All of another 5 seconds to find that LHR doesn't matter.
But don't let a flurry of downvotes get in the way of doing a little homework (or stating a fact).
Why car about downvotes, ppl here don't understand anything, they think they are miners if they have one card running 24/7, making them $7 a day
Happy to pay 2k for cards as they make their "money back"
This mining thing they invented is almost as annoying as covid@botchie: lol. true. profit first, gaming last by the looks of some comments on here.
I feel sorry for others in similar boat to me where they can't get a decent GPU upgrade 'cause they're running something Pascal or older and don't have the money to buy 1 component that costs more than a whole system.
@Revrnd: Prices are getting better now luckily and lucky also those dumb miners buy older cards too for good $$ .
When I upgraded my 1080ti to 6800 xt, I didn't have to invest a lot due to sale profit on ti@botchie: Sadly I sold off the other 2 GPUs in my 3930K and 5930K with the idea of having some ready cash to upgrade to RTX 30 series on their release.
Had I have sold them off within the past few months, it still would have been a $1000 - $1500 upgrade to get the 3080Ti for my machine, and another $ $500 - $1000 upgrade for the other two based on recent prices.
Guess it all comes down to timing and availability really. Thankfully daughter still has xbox to game on, but the amount of times she wants to play PC games with me and I've gotta tell her I can't until we get her a GPU - and that it'll happen when it happens.
hence my rant on those chasing profits first, being a genuine gamer it does get really tiring after a while.
@Revrnd: Yeah, feel ya, gaming has become big money thx to mining now. Hence I hope it all crashes but fat chance of that since idiots want to pour money into it , best of luck to you
@botchie: Same. I sold my 1080 and bought a 2080. I think I was out of pocket $200. That was a good deal. Then I sold my 2080 for $800 and got a 3080…. that… uh…. wasn't the same good deal? But it had been more than 2 years since I'd upgraded and I could justify it.
I wouldn't have such a nice PC if I didn't resell my old gear.
@botchie: depends your electricity cost, if I used average 28c per kWh than the LHR is about $5 a day after electricty. (Use data of 3080 LHR 66Mh/S use 220W power) Your ROI is about 353 days. So why dont we just getting a normal 3070 which mines similar Mh and cost less power
@Saveyourass: Why even bother for such crappy returns , unless your running 20 cards , even then if you have half a brain you can use that cash and invest in stock market and make more but hey, that requires intelligence
If people did their homework, they'd understand that LHR doesn't matter to the average user (or most miners for that matter).
Unfortunately, that's not true at all.
Putting mining aside, I personally think that LHR sets a really dangerous precedent where manufacturers can use software to artificially lock what hardware that I've paid for can and cannot do.
Over time, if widely accepted, it will lead to the "pay to play" model that we're already seeing on games today. Who says that it will stop at mining? One day, it will be that if you want to enable HDR, you have to pay $X, to enable DLSS, another $X, to enable the NVENC encoder, another $X…etc.
There's also the very obvious scummy move by Nvidia to not label the LHR cards clearly.
My view is that if you pay for a 3080, then you should get a 3080. What you decide to do with the capabilities of that 3080 is for you to decide, not for Nvidia.
This is already happening for a while now, take a look at NVIDIA's other lines of professional cards (Quadro, Titan etc). Consumer GPU's just have certain features disabled.
@BargainKen: I'm well aware and I think that's actually a very bad thing - I remember wanting to get into 3D modelling and needing to buy a Quadro.
I didn't need the best Quadro, but the mid-range Quadro didn't have the gaming performance I wanted, so the only solution was to get a cheaper Quadro and a GeForce - isn't that a bit silly?
It's called market segmentation though.
The point I've been trying to make though is that LHR doesn't matter. It's been what, 70% bypassed already - and only seems to affect ETH which is going from POW to POS soon anyway (and anyone who thinks it'll help their resale value makes me wonder how long it'll be till they flip their GPU).
Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact we have market segmentation GPU prices would be significantly worse with no difference between an A100, a 3080Ti, or an A5000 to channel buyers to their respective markets.
All we'd then have left is even more of those stratospherically high priced GPUs that the average person can't afford (similar to your Quadro experience).
I get where you're coming from though, it's a bit of a scummy move to release the GPU then later revise to remove or restrict functionality, lets just hope as you've said that it doesn't set a precedence for them (or others) to continue the practice.
It's called market segmentation though.
And who does market segmentation benefit?
The point I've been trying to make though is that LHR doesn't matter. It's been what, 70% bypassed already - and only seems to affect ETH which is going from POW to POS soon anyway (and anyone who thinks it'll help their resale value makes me wonder how long it'll be till they flip their GPU).
It was never my argument that LHR is a big deal in and of itself, rather, it is the philosophy that Nvidia can dictate what certain features can be "turned off" with software / firmware adjustments.
Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact we have market segmentation GPU prices would be significantly worse with no difference between an A100, a 3080Ti, or an A5000 to channel buyers to their respective markets. All we'd then have left is even more of those stratospherically high priced GPUs that the average person can't afford (similar to your Quadro experience).
No, that's obviously not what would happen. When it's 99% GeForce cards sold and 1% Quadro cards sold, if the two markets were merged, the price would be pretty much the same as the GeForce cards, with Nvidia just earning smaller margins.
I get where you're coming from though, it's a bit of a scummy move to release the GPU then later revise to remove or restrict functionality
The way Nvidia have done it is very close to illegal. It's likely that the reason why they are not retroactively applying this to 3070/3080 cards already in the wild (i.e. the non-LHR cards) Is that it will likely lead to a huge lawsuit.
Remember the whole debacle with Sony removing the Other OS feature from their PS3's?
Basically Nvidia are doing the absolute bare minimum to highlight the LHR cards are LHR.
FWIW, LHR doesn't even set out to do what Nvidia said it would. If the LHR card was $1200 or something, I'd consider it. But at $1750 vs. $2000-ish for a non-LHR, just get a non-LHR, you'll make the $250 difference back with a few weeks of mining.
@p1 ama: Wouldn't call it very close to illegal. What they've done is just a product revision. It's still an RTX 30 series aimed at gamers. What they've done is totally different to the Other OS on PS3.
RTX 30 series can still mine, there's no removal of that functionality (unlike Sony w/ Other OS completely removed on system software update (which is later tied to game and PSN access). The ability to mine ETH was just gimped, not removed. big difference.
Companies release revisions of things all the time without saying anything, just gotta look around. I've seen it hundreds of times where something is still marketed as product A, just has revision 002 or 003 etc.
I think the general idea with LHR nowadays is that unless you get the unrestricted Founders Edition cards, then everything you should be able to buy now should be LHR (gaming card wise).
Great to see the price drops!!
Tempted….
I have a 5700XT right now, but it's the most unstable thing ever invented when running more than 2 individual refresh rates at once (each screen in my system, and the VR is used for frame-acurate work, so I have 4 refersh rates active)…. And it's aftermarket cooled, so heat isn't the issue.For VR nvidia has always been better
That's odd. My 6700 XT is running 170hz/75hz perfectly fine, one over DP other over HDMI.
Thats two; as I said, more than two.
My monitors are 50hz (PAL content), 120hz (gaming), 60hz (NTSC content), 90Hz (VR); they're all using different colour space profiles too.If I drop back to just 2 screen, it seems to work fine; but ever since I moved 'up' from my pair of 1060's, it's been unstable bullsh't.
And it's absolutely driver related, because btting into my Linux partition, and Kernel drivers instead of AMD ones under windows, the issue goes away.Right sorry. Yeah NVIDIA is definitely better for those who do more than just game with KB/M.
Driver's never been ATI's strong-point
Want to sell?
I have a 5700 xt I'm thinking of offloading.
Isn't that a coincidence, I too have a 5700xt to offload now that Nvidia cards decided to play ball with price drops.
@Synticulous: Can I ask why? (In the market for a card (not yours).. and have always been a bit iffy as to AMD's video drivers)
@foursaken: The model is specifically lucrative to miners, but I couldn't bring myself to upgrade until only very recently. My thoughts were that I'd use her for as long as I could until I needed a better card, at a good deal.
3060ti is a better dollar per frame purchase over the $1100 6700xt with the recent $859 deal I jumped on out of desperation. Kinda wish I bought any card at launch day price now, I don't particularly fanboy for either brand but if pricing was equal I'd give NVIDIA the very slight edge as they're more features rich (streaming, audio, work).
The only perceived driver woes I had with it was playing cod and Apex, more to do with the games themselves being poorly optimised.
Send me a pm with your price.
More looking to trade honestly.
3060Ti or a 2080 Super, and I'd direct swap it. Value is about the same on the second hand market according to ebay and gumtree.
What's the ETA on this? Can't seem to find it anywhere…
Pre-order with no ETA is a recipe for regret as prices are falling fast. Initial 3080 RRP was about $1200. You may be very sad if it takes a few months to arrive and prices have dropped further.
They may drop but you won't be seeig a new RTX 3080 for $1200 for a very long time, if ever.
They day after 40series is announced.
CPL are a pack of scumbag criminals and how they remain in business is anyone's guess.
Don't feed these (profanity) any money.
Thanks,I haven’t had a good experience with them but this was a long time ago. Doesn’t sound like they’ve made changes. I had a warranty issue that wasn’t addressed. Anyway there’s plenty of other good pc shops around
Let me guess . Bad experience?
What have they done to you? (Honest question - actually curious to hear your experiences)
Back in the socket 939/754 days I went in to buy a 754 Abit board. Got home and realised they gave me the 939 instead and I was quite happy… Until I tried to use it. It was very broken. Of course no refund/replace was possible because I had the wrong product and was clearly trying to scam them. I guess it's a neat way of cutting down on RMA's.
Of course no refund/replace was possible because I had the wrong product and was clearly trying to scam them.
Wait, so are they scamming you or are you scamming them?
for what reason?
Bad model has cooling problems can get the vision one for $1800 from PLE when its back for preorders which should be soon
I thought Vision was just the white version of Eagle. Or was it Gaming OC?
Vision is alike Gaming OC but white and without dual bios.
Pretty sure you're talking about thermal throttling? Which is easily fixed with adding thermal pads to the backplate..
For you maybe, but for the majority of people who don't want to have to FA opening up the card, & doing this, no, its not easy or something one should be doing on a $1500 + card.
If it exists, it should be picked up and fixed before its released.
Doesn't void warranty
CPL =/
Careful about CPL and 'pre-order'.
Free money. Does somebody else pay your electricity bills and buy your equipment for you? I've got a very highend rig, (profanity) mining.
The electricity cost compared to the amount you can sell that crypto for is a tiny fraction. It's basically a money printer for the time being, and printers need electricity to run.
If you don't want to mine then fine, but others who are doing it are fine too. For anyone to have a B&M session about it on a bargain website seems a little off to me.
Sorry I've no idea what B&M is. We're obviously from very different places.
there are calculators online with estimates that include paying for electricity and yes its still profitable… there is literally no downside apart from noise and heat ig.
Do you have any good guides on where to start? I have these random parts just sitting around.
@atali: Lol, even gaming with the cards will cause CO2 emissions. Luckily for us, solar power is getting rather cheap now.
Lol, you're vastly overestimating the cost of electricity.
Prices would come down further and faster if ppl would stop buying these at +50% msrp still. Then two weeks later they have buyers remorse …
Nty mate, you might have a tight enough ass to wait 3 years before buying a 3 year old GPU, but real MFS don't play games
Real MFs don't play games… except when they pay $1800+ so that they can play games. Real MFs don't get ripped off.
People who buy one of these cards for the sole purpose to game get ripped off, if you can't afford it bud it's ok, no shame
https://cplonline.com.au/graphics-cards/geforce-rtx-3080/gig… non-lhr version on CPL as well for $150 more.
That is a N3080EAGLE-10GD-V2 which all v2 are actually LHR
Well the listing details don't say it's LHR so CPL obviously made an error
no, this is still lhr model your pointing too
This confused me as well, but V2 are also LHR. So anything that's listed as either V2, LHR, or TI (except 3060 ti) are all gonna be limited. There doesn't seem to be many non-lhr any more. and the ones there are, are much more expensive
This or a 3060Ti / 3070Ti for 2k gaming 144hz ?
Most games will be OK with both 3060ti and 3070ti but if you want the "RTX Experience" definitely the 3080. I have the 3080 and it cries when you pump up the settings on 1440p. Being realistic, you won't need 144hz as you won't sustain 144 fps if you jack up RTX and quality on new games.
The VRAM allotments may be enough right now, but for the level of hardware over the next 6-7 years, it's intentionally limited to shorten the long-term lifespan of these devices.
AMD RDNA2 cards have the memory allotments correct and you can see it in the 3060 12gb as a response, except that's the one card that should actually be 8gb-10gb.
The PS5/XSX specs have a very big influence on acceptable hardware limits for games over the 6yrs (plus more at lower settings) and they are sharing 16GB between OS/game. It's not that you won't be able to use them with settings tweaks, but 8GB/10GB VRAM on what are currently the most powerful GPU's on the retail market today are not 100% of what these cards are capable of over the next 5yrs.
I regretted getting a 2GB GTX960, then again with 4GB RX570, also with 6GB GTX1660super but that time I had little choice.
If AMD's RDNA mid-range cards get back to MSRP, I will definitely be paying the extra $50 or so for higher VRAM next time.
I think NVIDIA did it because the memory bandwidth increase of 1GB chips (IIRC AMD is using 2GB chips or something like that to achieve 12GB VRAM but at the expense of the memory bus) would make the launch benchmarks look better, thus attracting more customers in the short term, but stunting the cards long term.
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This card LHR?