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Mr McGowan described cost of living relief for WA families as the “centrepiece” of the Budget and that is headlined by a $400 electricity credit.
Source: as reported by PerthNow
[WA] $400 Electricity Credit for Every Household @ Western Australia Government
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He is not paying this out of his pocket. Just tax payers footing the bill one way or other
Better it goes back to the people than to rorts or pork barrelling like it would with the Libs…
@subywagon: Or the British Virgin islands, in the case of Energy Australia. https://michaelwest.com.au/aemo-finally-stands-up-to-fossil-…
@DAT: Putting aside this is a comment on a thread about a month old, and your remark is not even remotely funny, yes, they do.
Money spent on every project eventually makes its way to people. Build a sports facility in a marginal electorate? Who do you think gets paid to do the work?
Extend a highway in a marginal electorate? Again, someone needs to drive the earthmoving equipment, provide the bitumen, mark the lines.
Overseas junket? Airline staff, hotel staff, restaurant staff.
Even paying money to a reef protection society that doesn't get spent on reef preservation will eventually make its way to the staff and owners and creditors of the society.
Eventually the money always makes it way to people.
How the hell do you think the money gets spent if not eventually to people?@Almost Banned: Ah the old "trickle down" economic theory that's been sold to the poor by the rich!
Please go read a few books on this economic fallacy.
It was made famous in the Margaret Thatcher years and was TOTALLY disproved.Simply spending the poor's tax payer dollars on "projects" does NOT have an "amplification" affect on their economy however it DOES FOR THE RICH and just widens the gap.
So yes "trickle down" sounds simple & good but in reality few of the spend $s benefit the economy of the working class.@FairDeal: Firstly, again I don't know what it is with you people but responding to posts that are a month old is ridiculous.
Secondly, you are the only one talking about anything trickling down, and I think it applies to the contents of your comment, which seems to have trickled down your pants leg.
Thirdly, the 'rich' - whoever the hell you think that is - are people.
Fourthly, no-one claimed any amplification effect of spending. The only thing I claimed was that money spent on projects - good or bad - eventually makes its way to PEOPLE. Maybe they are good people, maybe they are bad. Maybe they are rich, maybe they are poor. But eventually, all of that money gets to people - tradespeople, employees, directors, shareholders, truck drivers, suppliers, are all people.
Ahh, this pretty much the definition of vote buying.
Yes true, but a good incentive nevertheless.
Incentive to do what?
@the wiz: The word incentive has two meanings:
a thing that motivates or encourages someone to do something (your understanding).
a payment or concession to stimulate greater output or investment (my point).
@jaygee: That "incentive". Ok.
But doesn't ozbargain provide information to motivate or encourage people to take advantage of deals?
That was my understanding.
@the wiz: In fairness, if it wasn't for ozbargain, I wouldn't have ever known in VIC for instance, that i would have had to do a search on the gov website to get $250 credit. It's essentially 'free money' (taxes etc blah blah) I wouldn't have received. That will be the same for many.
@jaygee: That would be worth posting.
But it looks like everyone in WA is just automatically being given free money. That's not a deal.
@the wiz: Geez. The people that whine about anything the WA government does.
This will be a little help for many, a huge help for many more.
If the WA government can afford to give a boost to Western Australians every once in a while, why shouldn't they do so.
They did the same last year, it would be nice if they did it again next year.
It is a pity every state government does not think the same.
@jamcan: It would be nice if the local government spent money in Perth wisely. The state of the footpaths is atrocious.
But it's ok, we have a new 500k light display so we can now see how injured the poor old ladies and children on bicycles are when they hit the uneven footpath.
Keep up the good work local government!@Tiggrrrrr: That sounds like a local government issue, not a state one. Maybe take it up with the local council?
@Piers: I was saying it would be good if local government spent money wisely.
It's called a segue.
How is that in anyway implying local government expenditure is a state issue?
I also repeated local again in case you missed it the first time.
@jaygee: An incentive to use more electrickery?
Actually it is an incentive to vote McGowan.
See even though ma policies have caused the price of electricity to jump with one hand, with this other one I’m giving you $400!
As long as the top 10% of earners pay more than half of income taxes as they currently do, cash handouts like these are economically progressive.
Thanks for the scoop!
While other States were in lock-down WA was powering ahead. Eliminating the virus was spectacularly successful at reducing both economic damage and minimising health impacts. And yet this was the outcome that the Federal Government worked so hard to prevent. It was WAs foresight in eliminating Covid and keeping it out that is the main reason for their economic strength.
You could count the damage done by each quarantine failure and the subsequent lock-downs in the billions. And yet the Federal Government completely abdicated any responsibility for quarantine. Not only that, they actively undermined the health response from each State.
The Federal Government failed comprehensively to understand where the costs and benefits were. They politicised the pandemic and cost the whole of Australia dearly.
LOL. Nice try.
The quarantine was the only health power given to the new Federation in 1901 and has been used to deal with threats ranging from smallpox to the ravages of the Spanish Flu in 1919.
Bye bye
@TheOneWhoKnows: The federal government closed the International borders. It was state governments that implemented state based rules and managed quarantine facilities. Each state government had a "coordinator" and advisory committee. Quarantine facilities were managed by state police forces and health officials. In the case of Victoria, sub-contracting to poorly trained security guards was part of the risk, which lead to the Victorian "Judicial Inquiry into Hotel Quarantine Program" and establishment of COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria (CQV).
@mathew42: mathew42 you're correct that this was what happened, but the state governments should not have had to step in.
quarantine is a federal responsibility@AdModnar: The states and territories agreed to run hotel quarantine. It could be argued that state governments also had the police and medical people to manage quarantine facilities.
Accurate knowledge is required to build a safe quarantine facility. Initially it was thought that hotels would be reasonably safe and at the time hotels were available for quarantine. Scientists are still learning how COVID-19 spreads. An example of this is the snap lock down in SA because of concerns that virus had spread via contaminated pizza boxes.
The other part of the discussion is how much do you spend on quarantine facilities that may never be used? Preemptively upgrading hotels to have better ventilation as occurred at Tom's Court may be better value than dedicated abandoned facilities, particularly when you consider that quarantine facilities should be located close to major hospitals to enable rapid transfer if a person's health deteriorates.
The reality is that every decision is a compromise. Compared with the rest of the world, Australia's response has been enviable. Sadly many have died both from COVID and delayed care, plus the mental health impacts.
@TheOneWhoKnows: LOL, username is an oxymoron. Federal government tried to get all the states on the same page but unfortunately WA decided they still wanted to go for an elimination strategy. They were lagging on vaccinations. Health is a state responsibility and none wanted to give control to the feds.
@heal: https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/ama-wa…
Dr Khorshid said currently Australia and in particular, WA, had the unenviable label of having the largest COVID spread around the world.Go daddy state, 100% effective.
@raybies: TBF, I suspect that is because Australia actually reports. If you believe the Chinese stats for example I have a bridge to sell you.
Anyway, WA erred too far and in the end it made little difference once it’s stopped playing hermit kingdom.
@raybies: That article is 2 weeks old and the daily rate is down below 5000 cases.
STATE - DEATHS - TOTAL POPN. (millions)
NSW - 3170 - 8.2
VIC - 3418 - 6.6
QLD - 1051 - 5.2
SA - 443 - 1.8
WA - 256 - 2.7Deaths per 100,000
NSW - 39
VIC - 52
QLD - 20
SA - 25
WA - 9NSW has a 430% higher kill rate, VIC a 570% higher kill rate, SA a 280% higher kill rate. QLD a 220% higher kill rate.
So I assume you weren't being sarcastic and genuinely believe State daddy has been effective in preventing people dying?
hi mathew42, if what you say about healthcare is true, then please explain why every federal government has a health minister and not just a junior minister - they are always in cabinet.
@AdModnar: My previous answer was focused on a rebuttal to @TheOneWhoKnows and should have focused on public hospitals which were the primary responders to COVID cases.
There is shared responsibility between the differing levels of government. This leads to interesting attempts to shift costs. For example a visit to a GP is funded by the Federal Government, but a visit to the emergency department comes from the state budget. Specialists in the public system are encouraged to see patients as out-patients as this is covered by medicare. If the hospital pharmacist fills your script on discharge, it is paid by the state government. If you fill the same script at the local chemist, the federal government subsidises the cost through the pharmaceuticals benefits scheme (PBS).
@mathew42: @mathew42, further to the "greatest failures in quarantine"…. which one of that state's prime ministers was it who declared NSW were the "gold standard"? ….
and i think actually perhaps the situation in aged care comes close to being the worst.and hospitals are much less needed now that many more of us are immunised, clearly a primary care function, so also a federal responsibility but something that by the numbers, the state government process in WA more than did enough (that same prime minister of course described WA as "croods" etc, but then denied he meant WA in a press conference while in Perth. I'm very surprised that has not been pushed further as the only way I can interpret his statement then in that press conference is evidence that his natural state is to lie. There is no other place to which he could have been referring, and he could have said something in the press conf about "rough and tumble of political rhetoric" or similar, but what seems an obvious mis-truth is what he picked to say.)
@toasty: What has he lied about? They have a long list of established policies.
Labor has basically nothing. Albo doesn't know what he thinks and contradicts himself almost daily. He promises the world but has no ability to deliver. Its what Labor does every election.
Labors current tactic is to do everything that the Libs/Nat are doing. They were against turning boats back. Six months ago they were kissing Chinas butt, now they tough on china. They criticized the Federal Govt for closing the boarder with China at the very start of the pandemic. Thank god the Govt listened to the public servants who were on the ball.
Seriously, Penny Wong is soft on China. One of the Labor MP's suggested Australia should have war games with China. Right, that will help the Chinese know what our strengths and weaknesses are.
I don't agree with everything the Lib/Nat are doing but I know I don't want Labor or worse Labor/Green.
@Hairy Nosed Wombat: "They criticized the Federal Govt for closing the boarder with China at the very start of the pandemic. Thank god the Govt listened to the public servants who were on the ball."
I don't understand this when we put it against the fact that neither USA nor UK faced the same restriction, even though there was much more of the virus circulating in each of those places.
which one of that state's prime ministers was it who declared NSW were the "gold standard"? ….
The gold standard referred to contact tracing.
In managing COVID-19, there is a gradient between the Chinese approach of barricading apartment complexes to more laissez-faire, minimalist intervention approaches like the USA. The measure of success also depends on your viewpoint. The restrictions imposed in Australia saved many lives, but they also had many negative impacts that will still be felt for years to come.
I think actually perhaps the situation in aged care comes close to being the worst.
It is hard to argue with that. COVID exposed systemic issues particularly with the casual labour force that have existed for many years. Is it reasonable blame a casual worker who accepted shifts in 5 different nursing homes during a week and may have unwittingly become the vector for transmission of an infection between homes? Management were aware of these risks, but also needed to maintain safe staffing levels and keep within budgets. Complex issues without an easy solution.
@AdModnar: Because the Fed Govt plays key a role in Australia's health system as do the States.
See here.
https://www.health.gov.au/about-us/the-australian-health-sys…But its the States that do the health care.
Remember Palaszczuk "Queensland hospitals are for Queenslanders" forcing NSW people on the QLD boarder with emergency care requirements to be blocked from their local hospital thus requiring them to be air lifted back to Sydney.
@Hairy Nosed Wombat: @HairyNosedWombat
I know that states run hospitals, but they don't have responsibility for primary care - GPs, pharmacy, and vaccinations.
They had to take on vaccination, because our prime minister considered "it wasn't a race", and in my opinion wanted to avoid being involved. He seems to want to have everything be someone else's fault if things don't go well, like when he just sat there smiling in the TV interview while his wife took responsibility for him leaving the country on holiday when large parts of the place were on fire.Why do you ask "what has he lied about"? I gave a clear example already.
Here's another one, that people seem to have forgotten about: we were promised a budget surplus. Where is it?
I know that you will say "but Covid", but this 'get out of jail free' card was offered to all Govt ministers in press interviews at budget time that year. Every interview I heard, by actual journalists, asked a question about "what if something bad happens?" and EVERY time the response was the same, they ripped up that card. Promised us that they were so good at running the economy that the surplus was assured, guaranteed.and
They claim to be the best at managing the budget, but then "forget" to put rules in about covid support to their wealthy mates where if they don't actually need that, ie if their profits go UP, they don't have to repay anything. In my opinion that's either at least borderline evil, or mind-bogglingly incompetent. Not the actions of the "best at budget management" at all.I know that states run hospitals, but they don't have responsibility for primary care - GPs, pharmacy, and vaccinations. They had to take on vaccination, because our prime minister considered "it wasn't a race", and in my opinion wanted to avoid being involved
I respectfully disagree. GPs and Pharmacies are responsible the delivery of the majority of vaccinations with the exception of school children. Central hubs for vaccinations made sense because with constrained supply it reduced wastage and enabled significantly greater numbers.
As for "It wasn't a race", Australia was well placed to wait in line for vaccinations, enabling us to learn from the experience of overseas programs and learn about potential side-effects, enabling updated recommendations. Secondly it could be argued that the humanitarian response would have been to redirect a portion of our supplies to our vulnerable pacific neighbours.
Lastly at the time decisions were being made to order vaccines, selection was an educated guess on which would be successful. Normally there would be many years of clinical trials before a national rollout. It is easy in hindsight to identify which vaccines we should have ordered, but at the time it was much less clear.
@mathew42: check the figures for Western Australia for the comparison of GP / pharmacy provision vs state clinics. It is now about even, but back when this really counted it was heavily weighted to more in state run clinics. At the same time NSW had very much the opposite situation, relatively few in state clinics.
In my opinion that is consistent with the idea that we have a prime minister for NSW, perhaps even for eastern Sydney specifically. Or perhaps NSW government just needed more help?
I know that states run hospitals, but they don't have responsibility for primary care - GPs, pharmacy, and vaccinations.
It's a lot more complicated than that. I used to work for Federal Health and the bureaucracy is off the charts with who is responsible for what, so much so that it's next to impossible to get anything meaningful achieved. Fed create national strategy, policy and funding, but States do the heavy lifting and have to endorse any proposed changes from the Commonwealth, and for some things it's only if ALL states agree which you imagine is next to impossible.
And there's no easy way out of that clusterfunk so pretending that it's all Scomo/Turnbull/Abbott/Rudd/Gillard's etc fault is a sure sign that you watch too much TV…him leaving the country on holiday when large parts of the place were on fire.
Too much TV. The Federal government has next to nothing to do with running State fire services. But I'm you don't care about that…
@AdModnar: Because of the endless enriachment of the federal government on state responsibilities.
Just look at natural disaster response. The feds have no domestic police, no fireys, no ambos, no SES but thanks to the 2019 bushfire pile on of Morrison, happily enabled by the NSW and Vic Premiers happy for someone else to be blamed for their failures, the feds are trying to insert themselves. It won’t end well.
Not sure why your negged to oblivion here, you are quite right with your answers
its still WA.
1) Taxing mining companies and giving it back to the people is a benefit
2) If Federal Labor is anti-mining, why did the mining industry spend a pile of money to throw out the Nationals leader just 5 years ago? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-14/wa-nationals-leader-g…
I honestly wish Labor wasn't so in bed with mining, but they are
3) I think you mean "GSP". WA has the largest per capita and the largest growth
4) Lol, WA receives the least of all states on their contribution to GST. For every dollar in GST that they contribute they get about 40c back. Vic/NSW are just under break even but the other states get more back than they put in
They stand on their own two feet far better than any other state using this logic
5) Most of the funding for medical services comes from the federal government. What WA needs to do is get more Liberal seats where they can porkbarrel a hospital or two to help them out, or vote in Labor so they can porkbarrel their own seats (seems the more logical idea)
They could definitely do a better job managing the hospitals, but the additional funding in the last budget is promising.
Overall, this is a pointless throwing around of cash but I highly recommend every OzBargainer grab their share.
"You can always build more coal powered power stations or nuclear."
Maybe check your facts.
The eastern states derive 30-40% of their energy from Coal.
WA less than 10%As for Nuclear, the only state currently pursuing Nuclear is NSW, in Jervis Bay. (NOT Jervoise Bay)
As for GSP 320.7 Billion for a state with 2.7 million, versus 633.6 Billion for a state with 8.2 million? So WA produces 154% more per capita than NSW, and grew by 2.6% in 20/21 with a projection of 3.5% in 21/22.
As for politics, at least State Daddy Mark hasn't had to quit as premier due to a corruption investigation.
Will be interesting to see if some people find a bizarre reason to neg this anyways.
They're already complaining on his FB because they want their taxes back hahahahahha
They’ll pay the same taxes regardless.
It means $400*household of state tax funds aren't being wasted on other things, like providing services to the community.providing services to the community.
You spelled 'pork-barrelling' wrong.
It'll be a certain Slav negging it coz Labor
Is Putin an Ozbargaineer?
Is Clive Palmer?
@Tiggrrrrr: I'd say so. He had all of his political signs and paraphernalia printed and made in China so he was probably on here looking for deals.
@subywagon: Given Clive's payment history, I doubt no Aussie printer wanted the job. The Chinese on the hand would've asked for money upfront (given it is an export job) before they even hit print.
Which party?
Leavers
Did you even read the text below the heading?
"Government programs that are cost saving measures (e.g. free public transport) are permissible to be posted as deals."
I'd say this is a cost saving measure, no?
What's the cost saving measure? What measure should I take to cut my costs using this deal?
Boohoo for Mathew42!
I know I'll enjoy the Electricity Credit
didn't have to scroll down more than 2 pages below your comment to find one ;)
29.33¢ per unit A1 tariff and 105.14¢ supply charge per day is not what I'd call a bargain.
let people suffer with high cost of living because they cant afford solar panels?
FIT is 7cents, even with daily supply charge how many with solar panels have a $0 bill?
- fit is 2.75c off peak and 10c peak
But yes
Many with solar panels will still be paying for electricity
I do and we produce 10x our usage
- fit is 2.75c off peak and 10c peak
so is the fuel excise cut or the $450 bribe coming from slomo
Howard should never have removed the indexation of the fuel excise.
You do realise if you're in credit you get a payout at the end of the year?
Please actually do some research before commenting.
Make it rain daddy
He made it rain today, just for you.
Where's the cash coming from?
Income tax, GST… you know, what you pay out the ass for.
You mean like the whole world does?
Honestly the people who cry the most about these sort of things usually pay the least tax in contrast to their income or find questionable ways to dodge paying majority of it.
Honestly the people who cry the most about these sort of things usually pay the least tax
Lol, the top 10 per cent pay just under half all all income tax revenue. The bottom 40% contribute about 7%. If you were in a boat rowing with 9 others and you were contributing 7x as much as 4 of you crew-mates combined, don't you think you have a right to question that arrangement?
@1st-Amendment: The amount that the top 10 percent pay doesn't magically appear out of thin air. In most cases they get their income directly or indirectly through the remaining population including 'the bottom 40%'. If regular people are financially struggling or have to get tighter with money the tOp 10 pErCeNt will eventually feel the blow as well.
Your boat analogy doesn't apply here.The amount that the top 10 percent pay
So you first said that these people 'pay the least tax', but now you accept that they actually pay the most? Which is it?
State Daddy delivers!