Howdy
I know that these have been posted heaps.
But with the discount code, they are now worth more apart than what they are together or cheaper than a kilo of lettuce/ broccoli
HP 800 G1
Windows 10
Intel Core i5 4570 3.20Ghz
8GB DDR3 RAM
256GB SATA SSD
VGA, 2x DisplayPort
8x USB 3.0, 2x USB 2.0
1 Year Warranty
The game-changer is 8th Gen or 12th Gen CPU.
The rest are all similar in performance.
It really depends on your daily usage.
Just need to replace dads mac mini - He's getting sick of the apple environment and the thing is starting to run a bit slow……Might also just be his poor computer skills - hes not doing anything on it other than browsing etc.
These will perform well for browsing/office.
This one is good enough for daily tasks, except for some 4k youtube videos.
8yo Mac mini is probably a 2012 model. How much RAM? A RAM upgrade, replace HDD with SSD, and fresh install could fix it nicely.
The HP above is a 4-core, so will be noticeably faster, but nothing dramatic. But at this price, if he wants to try Windows, why not?
Why don't you have a go installing Chrome Flex OS?
Free download, runs really quickly even on old computers including Macs.
Basically its an operating system driven by the Chrome browser.
I've installed it on an old laptop and it's given it a new lease on life.
Highly recommend for anyone with old hardware.
@B Didds: That's in early access. Might as well run a more stable linux distro like zorin os or linux mint
@HeyPapito: If you're more tech savvy then sure, but if you're not so confident then Chrome OS Flex is much easier to do IMO.
Also, the simpler the better if it's for some else who is (likely) even less tech savvy.
@superValue: Free, but as @HeyPapito says it's still in early access (developer) stage.
Still, it works perfectly fine on my old Dell laptop and I know it works on Macs - perhaps not every single Mac but there is a compatibility list here
why is 12th gen a game changer?
i wouldn't call it a game changer but its ~20% ipc increase over 11th gen apparently
from haswell(this deal) to 11th gen(which is really just skylake architecture) you're only looking roughly 10-20% ipc increase
for people that buy this and want to unlock extra cpu performance you want to disable spectre/meltdown using this tool:
https://www.grc.com/inspectre.htm
if you're a conspiracy theorist then you can say they are intentionally gimping the older cpu's
for ~$100 its a steal if you're just doing basic office stuff, these are very capable still, hell i'm still gaming on a haswell cpu
untel finally get back in the game after many past failures to catch up with AMD
CPU in this machine was released in June of 2013 so it's about the same age as your Mac mini. If you are looking to upgrade this isn't it.
Strongly disagree.
2014 Mac mini used an i5-4250U (a mobile processor). This has a desktop processor, it's 40% faster.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4570-vs-…
Depends on exactly which mac mini you have but this should be an upgrade in terms of cpu and gpu performance, similar in ram speeds, this would be faster than a mac mini if it was a standard model with a mechanical hard drive vs this pc's ssd.
If you click on the apple logo up the top left when using the mac mini and select "About This Mac" you can see it's specs there.
I believe the mac mini uses a mobile processor?
The difference between a mobile processor and a desktop processor, performance-wise, is night and day. It's almost criminal that Intel and AMD give their mobile and desktop processor generations such similar model names and numbers when the performance difference is so great.
Basically, something like this - https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4570-vs-…
The desktop i5 4570 from 2013 still outperforms (or is at least on a par with) the mobile i5 10210U from 2019.
The 2014 Mac mini also had a 4th generation Haswell processor (i5-4250U) but it was a mobile processor. This has a desktop processor (4570) that's 40% faster.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4570-vs-…
That's why I went back to the desktop - until recently I was using an i5 4570 on a refurb Thinkcentre and it spanked my laptop plus using multiple monitors is so much easier.
Can I add 2 or 3 x 3.5hdd to this?
USB floppy drives go for ~ $30, so yes, you can add 6 before you have to start using the USB3 prots.
Do we still get a floppy drive, will it work with Win 10?
ohh.. you may be stating USB HD drive :)
My WIn 10 PC works well with a FDD.
@klrrider1: So which DOS programs you are using for FSS? Can you play old games?
I still have some floppies from 1998, not sure if they can work but at least I can give a try if FDD works with windows 10.
Yep, Windows 10 is happy with it. I have an old Mavica camera which saves to a floppy which is good for two 640 x 480 photos if I want to go hi-rez.
I'm saving attempting to install Win95 in a virtual machine until we have another lock-down. The disks are still in their cellophane.
I have one like this or similar and have the ssd and 2 x 3.5 hdds. had to use the optical drive's sata though.
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c03812595.pdf
From this it looks like you can definitely plug in three SATA devices but there's only two 3.5 bays, one 2.5 and one slim optical.
I have 2x3.5 HDDs in RAID 1 and a SSD for the OS. I use it as a NAS + home server. From what I recall there were only 3 SATA connectors on the motherboard.
Can we use this as a NAS Device to store Movies and stream then on multiple devices? I have few 1TB SSD's..
Yes you can use it as NAS, but you could lose all your data if the disk is broken unless you have RAID configuration.
Streaming is depending on your internal network speed. For me it is mostly ok to stream from my Linux server at home.
Yeah, just make a Win10 NAS with storage spaces for ya data drives.
Yes you can, I already do. You can setup RAID 1 with windows disk mirroring for redundancy.
would its internal GPU be able to handle 4k movies if connected to living room flat screen? say if movies stored on SSD.
Depends on if they require transcoding or not.
noob question, whats the way to check if the file requires transcoding, i.e. file extension or?
Need to look into what codec it's using and what your receiving device requires.
would this machine be able play smoothly 4k 10bit HEVC HDR videos (no transcoding) on kodi etc?
do you own one of the machines?
Are you talking about running Kodi on this machine and using files stored on this machine?
@Tacooo: in my case it would be streamed via ethernet to this pc kodi player from SMB share of another pc
I bought this machine last year.
I added extra 8 GB Ram and also had a Geforce GT 710 and installed it via Graphics Card Low Profile (4$ on eBay)
Kodi interface is slow on this machine, but if you use it as DLNA, 4k 10 bit HEVC HDR plays smoothly (you should expect some crashes now and then)
@RogerSa: I will be streaming via ethernet to this pc kodi player from SMB share of another pc
-ie all my SMB shared files will be added to kodi library on this PC..
dont like DLNA since it is not giving kodi library experience…
ie search, art work, movie info etc.
Geforce GT 710 - how much you paid for it?
$4 for card or just the low profile bracket?
dissapointing to know that 16gb still make UI slow
which is strange cos kodi UI generally is pretty fast on even old CPUs..
it is the playback of 4k that is the issue on older CPU/GPUs
which would only show a black screen with sound etc.. ie unplayable on those older PCs.
@pinkybrain: I think I got my GT 710 in 2016. Cannot remember the price.
(4$ only for low profile bracket)
I've always used kodi as DLNA server via ethernet (without internet connection), so not sure how it works in your case.
But I guess even if it works. it should be slow for 4k videos.
OP, this has no HDMI output?
There are 2 display ports. I believe they do the same thing as HDMI port.
Does a display port deliver sound?
Yep.
Both HDMI and Display port support audio channels based on their wiki. I haven't tested Display port myself.
You’ll need an adapter, DP & HDMI are not the same
agreed,
You can get straight DP to HDMI cables easily enough
yes, i saw the DP in the picture, thats why i asked the question.
quick search says we can have the adapters for ~$5
thanks mate
yes, which HP were too stingy/too proud to pay for across their models for a long time, so they did the display port instead.
HDMI is a privately owned patent. "HDMI Licensing, LLC was founded by Hitachi, Panasonic, Philips, Silicon Image, Sony, Thomson (RCA) and Toshiba"
HP would have had to pay royalties to the competing electronics companies that own HDMI.
It was more successful because it was advertised and promoted by capitalist venture. They made the licensing cheaper if you plastered "HDMI" stickers/labels on devices and on the box - that is why so many devices used to say "HDMI" on them in the corner like TVs etc.
I grabbed this one for about $12, it'll run directly from the DP out on the PC to the TV/screen HDMI in.
i5-4570 has done me well in my Plex server for years, 4th gen was fairly good and this is a decent price.
Noob question. About to enter the rabbit hole of home assistant and this seems to be reasonably specced, way cheaper and a lot available than a raspberry pi. How do those in the know think this would go as an under the desk dedicated machine for this purpose?
The only issue is the power consumption. It is way over-powered for HA.
Truth.
Idling power consumption of a computer like this is around 30W, while it’s close to 10 times that of a Pi the total yearly electricity cost of running this 24x7 will be under $100 (at 30c kWh), a lot cheaper if you have solar. Something like this is an overkill for HA, but you can also use this as a NAS and a home server which you can't effectively or easily do with a Pi, so I'd still recommend this over a Pi.
Agreed. Most people who start with HA on a Pi quickly outgrow it and upgrade to something like this anyway. I run a similar USFF from Dell and it's perfect.
Suggest installing Proxmox as hypervisor and run HA in a VM. Then you can mess around with other homeserver stuff in separate VMs.
Really good value - snappy-enough SSD and the ability to run Windows 10/11 or a Linux distro.
They're matched performance wise: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6500-vs-…
The G2 Mini has no upgrade path though. It's designed to be a small, low footprint PC. This HP has a number of free PCI slots and empty hard drive bays etc so can have graphics cards and extra storage added - although you won't be able to add a really powerful card due to the power of the power supply unit. It should take a Geforce 1050ti though.
Thanks mate, just looking for a cheap HTPC for streaming / media playback from my networked storage
Edit: pulled the trigger, can't argue at <$130 delivered inc. OS
Just need a good cheap wireless kb&m combo for the living room.
Ah cool, do you reckon it's still good value of I was to buy a Geforce 1050ti for it?
My daughter wants to play Minecraft, would this PC handle that without upgrading the graphics?
Why so cheap
It would be about ten years old
These are usually ex-office PCs that were used for a few years (usually 3 years) then written off (depreciated), replaced with newer models. They are old as the 4th Gen Intel was released in June 2013 so would be common in desktop PCs from 2013-2015. These PCs are then auctioned off or purchased en masse by places like bneactrader and a few others and re-sold (sometimes as-is, sometimes with a newer OS/SSD upgrade/higher RAM).
They likely won't last another 7 years but you can expect some more life out of them for simpler less demanding tasks. The tasks we do as users does not change as often as the performance increases from new CPUs so things like doing Office, watching YouTube/Netflix and Web browsing (which I would say is a significant portion of most PC uses these days) still work OK on these PCs. Whether a browser takes 5 seconds or 8 seconds to start the YouTube/Netflix video I don't think is an issue for most people as long as the video playback is not choppy.
Modern Gaming and Graphics/Video work is what I would say needs newer and faster PCs and those would be a very different price class.
Would this fit a GTX 1050 card? And
Is this a better upgrade over my old HP Compaq 8200 elite SFF
It will fit a Low Profile branded Graphics Card, most 1050's aren't low-profile unless specified. You should aim for a GPU that doesn't need external PCIe cable power. A low profile 1650 would be a good option for this pre-built.
Not the best price, but this 1650 might work.
Yes my gpu is low profile as it's in my HP 8200 small form factor
Is this a better upgrade over my old HP Compaq 8200 elite SFF
Depends on your current config. If your 8200 has an i7-2600 then you won't see any improvement in CPU performance: source, but of you have a 2nd gen i5 or an i3 with less than 8GB RAM then sure, this will be an upgrade.
I have the i5-2400 with 8gb of ram.
If I upgrade to this PC would you reckon games like fortnite and gta 5 run a bit better or not enough worth the upgrade. Obviously would put my current GTX 1050 in it and not running off igpu
IMHO you are better off spending ~$25 more and getting an i7-4770 equipped PC like this.
CPU performance comparison
Hi, do the ram modules come in as 2gb * 4 or 4gb * 2?
How much will the power consumption be, assuming it's running at default hardware specs with full power?
I’d estimate 150-200W.
doubt it even goes over 100w
Idling power is around 30W, under high CPU load you may see close to 100W with an SSD, but you could see more if you have multiple mechanical HDDs also working hard or has a dedicated GPU transcoding stuff etc..
Why would it be running at "full power"? You wouldnt really expect any computer to run like that unless being specifically stress tested.
This was so that I could have an upper bound of electricity cost estimate.
IMHO this DELL Optiplex with an i7-4770 is a better buy at $158 because it has twice the threads and a slightly higher clock speed, and also comes with a dedicated graphics card ?? GPU model is not indicated, but I would think it'll be better than the iGPU.
Only has 128gb ssd compared to 256gb and as the "dedicated" gpu is not specificed, there would be zero guarantee it would be better than onboard graphics.
Only has 128gb ssd compared to 256gb
True, but SSDs are pretty cheap and easily upgradable. Also 128GB could be enough for some depending on their use case or they may already have a SSD and don't want to pay extra for one. I use mine as a NAS and a home server, with Windows and a bunch of programs and services installed I still have around 50GB left on my 128GB SSD. But upgrading the CPU on the other hand is quite expensive (not worth doing on a machine this old) and more involving, however double the thread count can make a noticeable difference in performance in multi threaded apps. Given the choice and price difference I'd rather get the better CPU over a larger SSD.
there would be zero guarantee it would be better than onboard graphics
No guarantees, but why would anyone add a dedicated card that is worse than an iGPU ? I can't find any details on what GPUs were originally offered with these computers, in any case there is nothing to loose (because you are getting the iGPU anyway) only something to gain.
This Dell seller only provides 3 month warranty but OPs seller is 12 Month Warranty.
This Dell seller only provides 3 month warranty but OPs seller is 12 Month Warranty.
I've used more than half a dozen or so of these OEM office PCs over the years, yet to have one fail on me (except perhaps for a HDD). These are already 8+ years old, if they still work and last for 3 more months I'm pretty sure they'll last over a year. IMHO 3 months warranty is all you really need to make sure the thing works. I have never bought one with more than a 3 month warranty, most of the time I don't even bother with warranty, if they turn on and boot into the OS thats all I need to see.
I bought one of these exact machines a little while back for $169 and it is pretty decent. There was something weird going on with the Win 10 licencing though.
Ended up wiping it and installing Chrome OS Flex which runs very quickly on it. I just needed a shared basic browser machine for the family.
Windows license key on these machines is hard coded onto the bios.
Open up command prompt, type "wmic path softwarelicensingservice get OA3xOriginalProductKey" and hey, presto, your windows license key.
Just need to pick the right version of windows which matches with what came with the PC originally (for this type, usually win pro).
If you're installing windows from a USB you can usually hit shift+f10 to bring up a command line while you're cruising through the install.
sorry for late reply.
Thanks for that info. The comp has a Win 7 pro licence sticker on the side, but the Win 10 installed was saying it was not valid.
Do a clean install of Windows, you can download a copy from Microsoft.
Perhaps whoever refurbished your computer re-imaged the wrong edition than what yours is licenced for. That was the case with mine too.
Sorry for the late reply.
I couldn't get 10 to activate, and just couldn't be bothered contacting the seller. it has a Win 7 pro sticker on the side of it, so may install that.
Chassis (H x W x D)
399 x 170 x 442 mm
I'm a bit surprised. I would have thought "SFF" would be smaller.
Different manufacturers have different naming for the form factors.
I think that one's the full tower. When I checked the SFF was more in the ballpark of 380x330x100.
Rule of thumb is SFF has low profile PCIe slots available. USFF is the really tiny ones with no upgradeables and an external PSU like a laptop.
Not quite. The Dell USFF has the built-in PSU. Micro has the external. Just confuse this even more. Dell is Tower -> Standard Desktop -> Small Form Factor -> USFF -> Micro
Interesting… the HP EliteDesk G3 I just got from you guys I'd call USFF, with an external PSU. I'd be more sorting these based on PCIe availability than PSU location though, so I wouldn't have split USFF & micro out (though who knows what Dell will do!)
…surely there aren't any USFF devices with PCIe??
Bought one, thanks OP
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Are these worth it over an 8 year old mac mini that needs replacing? Or just going to end up with pretty similar specs