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Upgrade to nbn FTTP Connection from FTTN/FTTC for $200 at Eligible Locations @ Launtel


This deal requires some explanation.

NBN Co is rolling out FTTP upgrades across the nation for existing FTTN and FTTC customers - meaning if you're eligible, you may be able to have fibre connected to your home instead of your existing copper connection.

How it works is this; For eligible services, sign up for NBN Home Fast (100/20 minimum) or higher for FTTN to FTTP and NBN Home Superfast (250/25 minimum) or higher for FTTC to FTTP and commit to a contract with your ISP, and your fibre upgrade will be "free". Of course, this actually means the cost of the upgrade is just integrated into a contract. Fine for those who need/want high speed - but some of us want fibre without having to pay for a premium plan.

Enter Launtel.

Zero contract. Zero commitment. Pay a one-off $200 fibre upgrade fee and then you're not bound to a contract. For me, this was ideal, as I got FTTP installed for a $200 fee, then dropped my connection back to 25/5 which is all I need at present. Also, being Launtel - they allow you to change your speed tier intra-day, meaning I can ramp my line up to 1000/400 for a day if I want, and only pay pro-rata for that day.

So if you want a fibre upgrade without being locked into a 1 year contract - do the math, Launtel might be perfect for you. No contract, free 7 day trial, multiple speed tiers. Great for those who want to even just get fibre run into the building and then disconnect the service (holiday homes etc).

Also - use a referral code to get free credit on sign-up so you can test that 1000/400 speed without paying a cent.

Step 1: Check if you're eligible for FTTC/FTTN to FTTP upgrade (even call Launtel if you're unsure).
Step 2: Churn your existing connection to Launtel (takes 5 minutes)
Step 3: Purchase the $200 FTTP upgrade option
Step 4: Await NBN fibre installation booking
Step 5: Welcome to fibre! Stay with launtel or disconnect or drop to a lower plan - whatever you like.


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  • +66

    Cries in HFC tears

    • +10

      inb4 someone wrongly claims HFC is "fine".

      • What's wrong with it ?

        • +17
          1. It's still copper (and all the problems that come from that).
          2. HFC is much more susceptible to congestion because many houses will be using the same coax segment. This is inadditon to CVC congestion that all types of NBN may potentially experience.

          I'd much rather FTTC than HFC, because:
          1. MUCH cheaper to upgrade to FTTP.
          2. Less copper involved.
          4. The node on the curb is only shared with a hand full of neighbours.

          • +2

            @PainToad: Oh ok I didn't know that. I've been on a 250 package which is HFC and it's been amazing…Guess I am just lucky

            • +15

              @Slurped: Luck really is what it comes down to. Luck on the quality of the connection and luck of how much your neighbours are using their service.

              But I don't think an essential service should involve luck.

              • +3

                @PainToad: I have the internet without any sort of NBN connection whatsoever. The NBN is not essential. Arguably these days the internet is.

          • @PainToad: You forgot it's also susceptible to lighting. I had a surge come up my HFC connection and fry a few devices.

            I know it came up that connection because the power was surge protected.

            Now I have protectors before the NTD and after.

            • @Geoff-bargain: What devices did it fry? What protection do you know have? Maybe I should do the same.

              • @sween64: I also had some devices fried in a similiar manner and ended up digging around the internet for advice.

                It's interesting that in the USA, cable internet (which is similiar to the coax HFC we have here) is required to have the shield grounded outside the premises. But in Sydney at least, I have yet to see a single HFC installation where the coax shield was grounded external to the premises. Not sure why this is the case, but this means your HFC modem and potentially everything else upstream like your router and PC become the route to earth ground. This is what kills them in a lightning event.

                I purchased one of those Ubiquiti ethernet surge protectors on a whim and had it placed somewhere between my HFC modem and router. (Modem->ethernet switch->ethernet surge protector->router). Surge protector was grounded by connecting to the ground pin of an electrical outlet. Nearby lightning strike a few months later killed the modem and the connected ports on the switch, but the router and everything upstream survived. I'd say that's 25 bucks well spent.

                I've since replaced the protector with a new one (they'll only reliably absorb big strikes once) and bought a few more and placed them in strategic points in the chain. I've also installed a coax surge protector with explicitly connects the shield to earth ground.

                • @aaor: could you use this surge protecter prior to the modem, ie, the entry point, and would it then protect everything downstream, including the modem?

                  • @derdew: I'm sure you can do this somewhere between the coax wallplate in your house and the modem. The issue is that some lower quality coax surge protectors (like the ones you'd find built into a powerboard) aren't rated for high frequency signals like the ones used in DOCSIS 3.1 which can result in a degraded signal. I got myself a dedicated coax protector which claimed to be rated for such frequencies and so far I haven't had any issues. In theory, it would protect everything downstream, but if you're able to, it's best to have as many lines of defence as possible.

                    IIRC it's not legal to modify the HFC PCD that's installed outside your house, so that takes away any opportunities to do external grounding.

          • +2

            @PainToad: Don’t forget it’s reliant upon amps in street so that it goes out whenever power in the street does. It’s also got considerably less upload bandwidth available. It was meant to be purchased for cheap from Telstra and Optus but Optus’ was in such bad condition it had to be shelved. Telstra’s was never intended to be connected to so many houses so that’s required a whole heap of additional work/maintenance/outages to get up to scratch, at an exorbitant cost. It’s also apparently very hard for NBN to troubleshoot effectively (problems can be in street, in tap, in lead in, with NTD, and even intermittent). I’d much rather FTTC too for its cheaper upgrade cost.

            • +4

              @kipps: Can confirm HFC is very luck dependent. I had a very reliable connection for 2yrs (yay) but then started experiencing dropouts daily. Took the NBN technician 3 visits to make the correct diagnosis/fix which was a damaged tap in the street (from flooding).
              Getting the NBN to send out a technician for the 3rd time was like getting blood from a stone. I had to record the times of each dropout and take photos of the NTD internet status light for a few days before they agreed to send the tech out again.
              NBNco treat everyone like an idiot and assume that the problem is with your own devices in the home.

          • +1

            @PainToad: So having said this, is there an endgame for HFC? All FTTx can eventually be upgraded to FTTP but what about HFC?

            • +1

              @wildstone: HFC has a heap of upgrade room forward including converting analogue signal to digital in street, moving fibre closer to the taps, ditching Telstra/Foxtel off it to get more spectrum, DAA… it’ll keep getting upgraded, at a cost.

              • +1

                @kipps: Thanks, but HFC won't get FTTP that's for sure? Also at whose cost?

                • +3

                  @wildstone: NBN is putting a lot of $$ into HFC and network upgrades. You can see it in their budgets. We end up paying for it indirectly because NBN wants to recover the costs as opposed to being a subsidised organisation.

                  • @kipps: Thanks, really wondered how did we end up being in this messy road… Those politicians are extremely short sighted!

            • @wildstone: I doubt if there's any upgrade for FTTB yet ☹️

          • -22


            It's still copper (and all the problems that come from that).

            All the unnamed problems…

            HFC is much more susceptible to congestion because many houses will be using the same coax segment

            Contention occurs at your ISP anyway. Or do you think your FTTP runs all the way to Google's Data centre?

            MUCH cheaper to upgrade to FTTP.

            Ah the true socialist, it's cheaper for you because someone else is paying for your stuff.

            Less copper involved.

            You failed to say why this is bad.

            You do realise that the electrons in all the routers across the entire Internet run on copper right?

            The node on the curb is only shared with a hand full of neighbours

            See contention above. Also you missed 3. Or did you have a 3. then delete it?

            So your position boils down to an irrational fear of copper, and a misunderstanding of how contention works.

            • +12


              Contention occurs at your ISP anyway. Or do you think your FTTP runs all the way to Google's Data centre?

              Did you not read the part where I acknowledged CVC congestion or do you simply not know what CVC congestion is? The difference is a good ISP/RSP can solve CVC congestion themselves, but it doesn't matter how good they are, they cannot solve HFC specific congestion without NBN's involvement.

              Ah the true socialist, it's cheaper for you because someone else is paying for your stuff.

              Lol! No. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm not talking about this free subsidised price. I'm talking about the Technology Choice program where the resident pays for the entire install. FTTC is cheaper to upgrade in this instance because the fibre is already run to the drive. The only upgrade required is running a bit more fibre to the house.

              You failed to say why this is bad.

              If you can't understand that without explanation, there's really no point discussing this with you.

              So your position boils down to an irrational fear of copper, and a misunderstanding of how contention works.

              No my opinion doesn't. But yours boils down to too many years reading News Corp.

              • -4


                If you can't understand that without explanation, there's really no point discussing this with you.

                Yet here you are. Pick a lane…

          • +5

            @PainToad: Love my HFC service, I've rarely seen it drop below 900Mbps and 50Mbps up, even during peak periods.
            Obviously, FTTP is the best, which I have at my other home, but I really can't notice much of a difference between the 2.

            • -1

              @SimAus007: 50 meg up is comparatively shite

              • +2

                @Obsidiate: No, that's limited the same as my FTTP service, which is 50Mbps also on the uplink.
                So what are you comparing it to, business fibre?

                • -1


                  No, that's limited the same as my FTTP service, which is 50Mbps also on the uplink.
                  So what are you comparing it to, business fibre?

                  There is no technology difference between residential FTTP and "business fibre". The residential plans available are just simply artificially limited to make the non-FTTP technologies not look as shit. By you thinking your HFC is good because it's the same upload as FTTP plans is exactly what NBN wants you to think.

                  • +2

                    @PainToad: Of course, totally agree!!!!

                    I am talking about what is on offer from 99% of RSP's to residential customers and the max is 1000/50.

                    Launtel is the only RSP offering NBN business plans to consumers, but I can't imagine many consumers paying those fees just for higher uploads.

                    Actually, FTTP can offer much higher than 1000Mbps (potentially up to 10Gbps) if they really want to, but we aren't even close to that happening yet.

                • @SimAus007: 1000/400, 500/200 and 250/100 is available on nbn consumer grade FTTP starting at $209 a month. What a bargain /s.

                  • +1

                    @Twix: Yes, I know, but it's a business product tier from NBN wholesale, so there is only this 1 RSP offering it to consumers.
                    As you've pointed out, starting at $209 a month, ouch!

                • @SimAus007: Comparing it to anything, really. Synchronous fibre is going into many new buildings. NBN is capable of far more on fttp already.

                  • +1

                    @Obsidiate: It's still insanely expensive and very few buildings have it.
                    The best we could hope for is NBN increasing uploads on FTTP at a reasonable price point (not that I personally care about uploads being any faster than 50Mbps as I have no use for it).
                    Everyone has different needs of course.

          • +1


            1. HFC is using different bandwidth lanes than some other NBN technologies and conflicting directly with copper technologies. With the way NBN is using multiple technologies right now, the fix is too hard, too expensive.
              It will be much faster, cheaper and easier to just switch all to FTTP.

            This was known back when Malcolm Turnbull was in power. Telstra lobby won to protect their precious "copper network".
            So instead of having all FTTP NBN, we are stuck with the abomination of mixed medias, mixed technologies NBN.

          • @PainToad: HFC and fttp are in the beginnings of also cutting over so your wait isnt going to be to long. This is why you heard nothing re NBN this election. liberals starting the full FTTp rollout on the quiet

          • @PainToad: Which part is copper?

          • @PainToad: agree - HFC service is bad - do get congestion time to time with my hfc service and ISP cant do anything about it & all comes back to NBN Co!

        • +6

          i live in an area that has flooded twice in the last 50 years. water and copper are great together….

        • I was on HFC for a few years and it was great but I really need faster upload speeds (for business purposes). Jumped on the Enterprise Ethernet bandwagon

        • +1

          It randoms fails in rainy days & 100% failure during blackout & often can't recover itself from outage without power cycle

          So when a blackout happens in HFC area, everyone switch to mobile network & it gets overloaded.

          • @pilmarion: Does other technologies work during blackout?

            • +1

              @wildstone: FTTH does for sure - NTD battery sold separately

            • @wildstone: FTTC can if you have backup power to your NCD, as that is what powers the equipment in the pit.

              FTTP likewise should work as long as your NTD has power.

              Both of those would work fine in a blackout if you have some source of backup power. That could be a solar system (one that can operate while the grid is down), a generator, hell with such low requirements a UPS could last a decent while.

              But with HFC you're completely at the mercy of grid power.

      • +1

        Its shitty but its still way better than the bad old days of 6mbps ADSL.
        Those were horrible times!

        • What's shitty about it?

          • +8

            @Domingo: It's a connection designed for 90s Foxtel, not 2022 internet.

            • +3

              @PainToad: I have a 250 mpbs HFC connection and get close to 250mbps with very minimal down time or service quality fluctuation. I'm not sure how you define '2022 internet' but it is definitely capable of more than just 90s Foxtel.

              Although you're not wrong in terms of what it was originally designed for. I worked on the rollout and while on a QA ride on with an ex field tech he was explaining a lot of how the network actually works and quote "it's a miracle of engineering that it works at all", due to the amplitude of the actual signal often being lower than that of the noise on the line. Luckily there have been a lot of smart people in the world who have figured out how to make stuff like this work.

              • -2


                very minimal down time or service quality fluctuation

                Then you got lucky. Congratulations.

                Btw, 250mpbs isn't really impressive for 2022.

                • @PainToad: There are technical improvements on the HFC network that are continuing to improve service quality - spectrum becoming available as legacy customers get off previous services delivered over the network, node splits etc. It will only continue to get better as more capacity is unlocked.

                  I never claimed that 250mbps was impressive for 2022, but I'm yet to find a residential use case that it doesn't support. The Mazda 3 that I drive isn't particularly impressive either, but I don't need the best possible thing just because it exists when what I already have more than caters for what I need it to do.

          • +3

            @Domingo: Shitty compared to FTTP.
            Amazing compared to ADSL.

        • +1

          bad old days of 6mbps ADSL.

          Spoken like someone who's never used a 28.8 modem that would cut out every time your mum picked up the phone, and then you couldn't get back on the Internet because the ISP's modem banks were all in use during peak hour.

          Meanwhile your Quake clan would be IM'ing you in the middle of the clan war asking wtf you went but you weren't online to receive the messages, and smart phones didn't exist yet.

          • @Dex: Replace Quake with CS 1.X and matches my memories.

            • @PainToad: Half-Life CounterStrike Mod, I was there.

          • @Dex: On the contrary, I started with 2400 baud modems and was highly active on BBSes.
            200 ping on a 28.8k connection was considered good!
            Just saying 6mbps ADSL was quite bad compared to South Korea and Singapore at the time, they were already midway through their Fiber rollouts.

      • +1

        A business I help was quoted approximate speed on fttn as 38/5 based on distance according to abb. Your hfc could always be worse =p

      • +1

        I’m on 1 gigabit down HFC, working fine tbh

        • I appreciate your honesty sir.

    • Second class citizens on HFC. I feel the pain.

    • So you don't have FTTN. Congrats. Half the FTTN footprint hasn't even been announced for FTTP upgrade yet.

    • Shittest (profanity) form of the NBN, even worse when my area got upgraded to HFC from HFC…

      • +1

        You'd rather be on nbn skymuster?

    • +8

      Honestly if you're on HFC you've had it better than everyone else.

      You've had NBN speeds before NBN was a thing.
      You've been able to be on a cheaper plan once NBN took over immediately.
      You've had faster speeds than FTTC for a few years.

      • This comment ignores that the people chasing the best broadband then available to them found houses with HFC. They’ve since been lumbered with the disruption of NBN taking over the network - while other areas moved forward to FTTP. The cost savings promised by keeping HFC haven’t materialised and now we pay more to NBN than when Telstra was running it’s own cable.

        • I'm one of those people. I was paying Telstra $90 for 50Mbits. I'm now paying Exetel $59 for 50Mbits.

          The country voted for shit internet so it is what it is. NBN could have been great.

    • Cries in NBN fixed wireless dropout tears

  • i just applied for a free upgrade to fttp via More. i asked them via chat and they said Zero contract. Zero commitment if i cancel or downgrade plan after a couple of months. i had asked ABB before and they said they would charge a fee if i cancel or downgrade within 12 months. I hope MORE chat rep told me the truth?

    • +5

      Save the truth (screenshot the chat if you still have access to your chat with More rep)

    • +4

      The $200 fee is charged by NBN to the ISP if you downgrade speed below 100Mbps within 12 months (or disconnect).

      ISPs like MORE can choose to pay this themselves and not pass the cost onto the customer but for obvious reasons most will bill their customer $200 so they don’t lose money.

      There’s also an edge case where if you change providers but keep the 100Mbps+ speed NBN will not bill the ISP. However the ISP has no way to know if you’re on a high speed plan with a competitor so most will bill you the $200 fee just in case you do lower the speed or disconnect.

    • Which plan did you go on to be eligible for the upgrade? Their website says XXXL includes FTTP upgrade.

    • +1

      The RSP agrees to the speed tier with NBN for 12 months on the free fibre tech upgrade to FTTP, so unless MORE is footing the bill for the difference I would be careful.
      Need to move to 100/20 speed as a minimum (for FTTN to FTTP)

  • +1

    May be I need to wait for 5G to be available here as our suburb is not listed for upgrade

    • 5G is no comparison to fibre, but it's probably okay for some people, depending on their use.

  • +6

    beaten by step 1 - not eligible……

    • Yeah I'm apparently not eligible despite my suburb being listed. I guess they haven't got sufficient backhaul to all nodes yet.

      • More FTTN to FTTP and FTTC to FTTP locations will become eligible throughout 2022 and 2023.

    • I'm unable to check for myself, Can you please guide me on the way to check the eligibility? Thanks

  • I upgraded to FTTP free with AussieBB but have to sign up the 100M plan.

    • Same here. I initially signed up for 100M plan when I switched to ABB FTTN but the copper wire could not even handle the downgraded 50M plan…have to turn on the stability profile…

      Goodbye FTTN and good riddance - its been too long!

      • I have no problem with my FTTN but free why not.

  • Launceston TAS only broadband?

    • +5

      no, I'm with them in Sydney, fantastic ISP

      • VIC here, I enjoy felexible plans and per-day payments.

    • -1

      Created and based there, not restricted to there.

  • +1

    Superloop appear to do free upgrades as well. Although I am already on the 100M plan so not sure if that is what makes it free to flip.

    • Just looked into it, yes looks like the 100 plan is enough.. will be signing up I think. Just gotta confirm if we get the $20 off a month too

      • +4

        100/20 is the minimum to qualify for FTTN to FTTP.

        250/25 is the minimum to qualify for FTTC to FTTP.

    • +3

      It is free to flip. The $200 charge comes from the NBN sending it to the ISP if you downgrade your speed below 100mbps within 12 months. If you keep it at 100 or above for the 12 months there is no fee charged by NBN. The ISP can choose to pass the fee onto you or eat the cost.

      I don't see what the value is in this deal. You're being charged the $200 up front when the "Flip to Fibre" upgrade is free. Only value is if you know you'll downgrade your speed within 12 months, but then you may as well find a provider that won't charge you the fee, or take a gamble that they won't.

  • +4

    Be aware of a construction timeframe. We've got a very simple installation, but it took ~6 months to connect.

    • +2

      Mine took 2 weeks with AussieBroadband. First site visit was 2 days after I signed up then the activation appointment was booked for 2 weeks later

  • +1

    Yeh awesome.. Except every house on my street including next door (who has already upgraded to fttp) is eligible… Except my place and you contact nbn and all they do is cut n paste bits from website… I thought maybe it's because I'm at the end of a battleaxe drive way but nope next door neighbour has fftp now but I'm not eligible, and every other premise can get an upgrade with higer speed plan…

    • +1

      You've annoyed someone in NBNCo.. That's all haha

      • +2

        lol that is plausible …

    • That's really strange…why would they lay down the FO trunk that cannot reach the last house…

      Is your house in some kind of in between suburb or something?

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