Yes, yes, 8GB RAM is the end of the world and Chrome will die in a flaming heap.
For everyone else, here's a ThinkPad that weighs less than 1kg!
Quick Specs
Intel Core i5-1130G7 CPU (4C/8T, 1.8GHz Base/4.0GHz Turbo, 8MB Cache)
8GB Soldered LPDDR4x-4266
256GB M2 2242 SSD (Upgradable to 1TB)
13" QHD (2160 x 1350) IPS 450nit screen (NOT TOUCH)
48Wh battery
2 TB4 ports!
907g weight!
Can’t use more than two Chrome tabs!
try to open JUST 1 tab, then scroll down on Facebook for 15 minutes
Can't upgrade the 8GB RAM… otherwise seems like a great deal for an X1 nano if you're a casual user.
You saying these laptops cannot be upgraded, ram or sad ??
Sad can be upgraded by getting a laptop with more ram
You technically can, as long as you can get the chips, and have the tools to do BGA soldering and reballing.
If only if it's 16gb ram sigh
My laptop is on death bed
this is too with 8gb
Nice find op, ty!
Screen is nice to look at but definitely seems a premium to pay compared to other specs.
8gb ram and 256Gb SSD?! Wow, Isn't 2022 now or 2012?
You can find some random HP or ASUS with same specs for cheaper, but this is a thinkpad.
If you don't care about thinkpad reputation then his laptop isn't for you.
I've been eyeing for this model, too bad 8gb
My 10yr old ThinkPad has 16gb RAM hahaha
My phone has 16gb RAM. 8gb ram shouldn't even be available on a thinkpad line
wow. which phone model is that?
99% of population doesn't need more than 8gb ram, especially just browsing or using Discord or light coding.
These are very nice if you want a bright premium screen and ultralight (1kg) Ultrabook.
I'm convinced the whole need more than 8gb thing is in most people's heads lol. You aren't gonna be gaming on this anyway. And content creator / video editing is very niche..
There really is not much in this price range that beats this as a school / uni laptop. Lugging around 1.5kg+ is annoying as hell
Yes you can get another laptop for 1k with 16gb ram. It's just gonna weigh 50% more than this, have terrible nits and bad battery / build quality / screen and no usbc charging. And 99% of your usage is gonna be under 8gb ram anyway.
Let's unpack this.
More than 1% of people need >8GB of RAM.
Can safely assume 99% of population doesn't want to spend $1100 on a basic i5/8GB/256GB
You aren't gonna be gaming on this anyway. And content creator / video editing is very niche..
You've forgotten about Digital Design and IT faculties, among others. You've also forgotten about future-proofing.
ultralight (1kg) Ultrabook. Lugging around 1.5kg+ is annoying as hell
If you have troubles lugging around 500g more you're a walking WHS risk.
There really is not much in this price range that beats this as a school / uni laptop
Just like there's not much in the price range of the iPhone 14 Pro Max that beats it. People then wonder why they're poor..
I understand students don't have the means to hook up to a monitor, but this is a regular occurrence with laptops in the workforce. Meaning people aren't even going to be looking at the screen unless they're on the go.
just gonna weigh 50% more than this, have terrible nits and bad battery / build quality / screen and no usbc charging.
An extra 500g. You're not going to be pointing at the fu¢king sun I hope. Battery life will actually improve, the screen on this model will chew it like no tomorrow. Build quality will vary between models (some good, some bad) and there's USB C charging on laptops cheaper than this.
By all means you do you though.
Can safely assume 99% of population doesn't want to spend $1100 on a basic i5 with 256GB SSD.
Yes. You can always point out the weakest parts of a machine. Have you got an alternative better machine for the price? You should post it on OzB - because I haven't seen any.
You've forgotten about Digital Design and IT faculties, among others. You've also forgotten about future-proofing.
You don't need to future-proof if you're only spending $1k. Nobody spending $1k on a laptop market that is usually $1.5-3k is targeting future proofing lol. It's also not like your laptop will become obsolete in 3 months. Do you go out and buy a mid end GPU to play triple AAA games 3 years in the future? Many laptops also don't have removable battery these days and can fail at many different parts. Laptop is way harder to future proof than a desktop. The GPU being way weaker than desktop equivalent is also a big issue. Most people just buy a new laptop rather than keep laptops for 10 years. It's just a fact that laptop parts tend to fail and the batteries lose capacity. Very similar to phones
Just like there's not much in the price range of the iPhone 14 Pro Max that beats it. People then wonder why they're poor..
Can't believe you're comparing budget price range to expensive luxury items of a completely different category lol. That's a huge strawman. And iphone 14 pro could indeed be a great item within it's range. Just because it's expensive it doesn't mean it's bad, nor does it have anything to do with the fact you can't name any better alternatives to this laptop within the $1k range
An extra 500g. You're not going to be pointing at the fu¢king sun I hope. Battery life will actually improve, the screen on this model will chew it like no tomorrow. Build quality will vary between models, and there's USB C charging on laptops cheaper than this.
"Just 500g" makes a huge diff if you've owned a lot of laptops of different weights in the past. You act like lighter is not a benefit when it clearly is.
Ultimately, you keep harping on about there better much cheaper alternatives. Can you please point to a deal?? I am in the market and would love to buy your hypothetical laptop.
You've written so much but not provided a link or single alternative. You'll get hundreds of upvotes
budget price range
$1100.
Nobody spending $1k on a laptop market that is usually $1.5-3k is targeting future proofing
Can't believe you're comparing budget price range to expensive luxury items
Lol "expensive luxury items". I'm not talking about a $2k handbag. It's a phone that'll last 5+ years but people don't want it to because they need the newest.
Do you go out and buy a mid end GPU to play triple AAA games 3 years in the future?
Can't believe you just called me out for being a strawman then did the exact same lmao. GPUs don't have screens, which is what this extra $400 you're paying is for (there was a deal recently for $699 same specs, you can find it).
"Just 500g" makes a huge diff if you've owned a lot of laptops of different weights in the past.
Well I have and it.. doesn't to me?
Ultimately, you keep harping on about there better much cheaper alternatives
Actually, no you do. I said better value. Having said that, you think $1100 is "budget" and a bargain for a laptop with specs 90% out of 2012.
You'll get hundreds of upvotes
Wow imagine karma whoring Ozbargain. You're so sad.
@pennypincher98: You see, you ignored everything I said completely and resorting to completely unrelated personal attacks at every point.
The only thing you absolutely could not and refuse to do is provide an alternative link to a competing laptop that is as good of value.
I am still waiting… I am in the market for 2 x laptops and have no brand loyalty (actually, my main laptop is an XPS). So I'm genuinely excited to see if you actually have any real deals or are just here to argue.
Your core point is that there are many better laptops that are cheaper. Where are they?
completely unrelated personal attacks at every point.
Sorry did I offend you by saying you could find the $699 deal?
Or perhaps it was me saying $1100 isn't a budget range.
provide an alternative link to a competing laptop that is as good of value.
Value is subjective. You're happy with paying more for a good screen. I use desktops at work and home (or my laptop plugged into monitor), laptop is only for on the go. I need to run virtual machines to test codes etc. You'd want 4GB for each virtual machine, plus 4-6GB for your physical machine. Even with 1 virtual instance open, this will likely freeze.
250nits and IPS FHD is okay for people who do their work inside.
Your core point is that there are many better laptops that are cheaper.
$1100 isn't the bottom price of the market, therefore they are cheaper. I'm not going to be your personal slave and comb the internet for you.
Your money, your choice. Waste it how you want.
Sorry did I offend you by saying you could find the $699 deal?
Or perhaps it was me saying $1100 isn't a budget range.
I am not offended whatsoever. On the contrary, it is quite obvious that you are the one that is extremely defensive and offended.
Like I said, imaginary and hypothetical laptops do not count.
$1100 isn't the bottom price of the market, therefore they are cheaper
I never said it was the bottom price of the market, nor that there do not exist cheaper laptops..
I'm not going to be your personal slave and comb the internet for you.
Oh ok, you have to comb the internet, so the laptops are currently just imaginary. Got it.
Like I said, imaginary and hypothetical laptops do not count.
He's probably comparing it to this https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/725407
Spec wise it's a very similar laptop if you ignore the main selling points of the Lenovo.
You've forgotten about Digital Design and IT faculties, among others. You've also forgotten about future-proofing.
You've forgotten about the huge number of people who literally just use their laptop for Teams, type out documents in Word, read a PDF, read some emails, join a Zoom meeting, then at the end of the day they switch it off and touch grass. If they travel or commute a lot, a light laptop would be nice. At work they'd plug it in to their USB-C monitor.
Sometimes tech-inclined people forget that they're in a bubble and there's a huge, huge world out there filled with people who just use laptops to get work done. They don't open and switch between 30 Chrome tabs while chatting on Discord ("a what cord?").
If you have troubles lugging around 500g more you're a walking WHS risk.
Something tells me you don't travel much or have commutes with lots of walking.
An extra 500g.
What about 2kg laptop? That's only an extra 500g over a 1.5kg laptop.
It's totally fine if you don't see the benefit of a 1kg laptop. You should remember that not everyone is like you though.
Someone who does a lot of domestic travel with a 7kg carry-on limit would know how valuable an extra half kilo can be. So would someone who has to walk a lot from office to office, office to train station, train station to home, etc. If you walk from your office to your car then from your driveway to your home, then it isn't a big deal. If you're walking 700m to a train station then 2km home or cycling 20km and it's in the middle of summer, that's a different story.
At work they'd plug it in to their USB-C monitor.
This is my whole point though. The only selling point of this laptop is the screen and most people will just plug it in to a monitor
You've forgotten about..
I was just justifying there's more than 1% of the workforce who needs 8GB RAM. If you only need 8GB of RAM, great. You can save a lot of money. Hell, if you're only using it for teams, emails, word etc get this, Up RAM to 8GB (~$20) and bam. New computer for $520.
you don't travel much or have commutes with lots of walking.
I live 1.7km away from the station + walk 800m from station to work (5km daily) so the extra 500g doesn't bother me. If one walked great distances I'd imagine they'd need to travel lighter. Stopping in for a loaf of bread on the way home (~700g) is fine for me too. Weight seems to be becoming more redundant though as increasing amounts of people work from home, but definitely if you're cycling a long distance I can see why you'd want a lighter laptop.
I was just justifying there's more than 1% of the workforce who needs 8GB RAM. If you only need 8GB of RAM, great. You can save a lot of money. Hell, if you're only using it for teams, emails, word etc get this(harveynorman.com.au), Up RAM to 8GB (~$20) and bam. New computer for $520.
The machine you quoted is 2kg. It also doesn't have usbc charging support, which means that you have to carry a power brick. This doesn't just mean a slight inconvenience. It means more wires and +400-500g. That's 3x the bloody weight of the Lenovo. Are you understanding this? The power brick ALONE is +380-500g lol
Worse screen (FHD vs QHD), worse processor (but can let that slide), way worse nits (223 nits vs 450 nits). Also 48wh battery vs 36wh (wide reports of TERRIBLE battery life). Worse touchpad (wide reports of CRAP touchpad). Also crappy 45% ntsc.
You also have to put in labour and expertise to both buy a ram stick (actually price is more like $30 + delivery costs) as well as open the laptop and install the ram stick. Which I doubt anyone in the 99% has any interest or experience in doing.
Yes, it's an ok deal and I understand this deal is more expensive (if you're thinking of being stupid and claiming that I'm saying this laptop is not more expensive, that is not what I'm saying whatsoever). But you're acting like there are no advantages apart from the screen. I mean 900 grams vs 2.5kg and you think that doesn't justify a price bump whatsoever? lol.
I don't even know why I'm replying tbh, since you're just gonna say something completely strawman about the laptop you posted being cheaper whilst ignoring the dozen disadvantages I just posted and falsely claim the only difference is "better screen".
This is my whole point though. The only selling point of this laptop is the screen and most people will just plug it in to a monitor
More strawmanning. Not only did you take a single point out of context and try to use it to refute absolutely everything else, but I just listed 8 differences.
It is also norm for company to provide you with work laptop or work machine. Some people don't even work. I mentioned education as a good use case. Lots of walking between classes / station.
I live 1.7km away from the station + walk 800m from station to work (5km daily) so the extra 500g doesn't bother me. If one walked great distances I'd imagine they'd need to travel lighter. Stopping in for a loaf of bread on the way home (~700g) is fine for me too. Weight seems to be becoming more redundant though as increasing amounts of people work from home, but definitely if you're cycling a long distance I can see why you'd want a lighter laptop.
You just posted a laptop that was 2.5kg with power brick over 900g Lenovo with 50g wall charger lol. You definitely don't know what you are talking about regarding weight and obviously do not have experience with the burden of heavier laptops, as well as have no understanding why ultrabooks are so popular and convenient.
I can still travel with a 3kg laptop (and have). I can carry around a 1kg power brick (and have).
An anecdote like that really doesn't even matter. I can do it doesn't mean it's convenient.
Before you say "it was just an example laptop". This is the only ever laptop you have posted in this thread after asking you 20 times 😂 imaginary hypothetical laptops do not count, unfortunately
This is my whole point though. The only selling point of this laptop is the screen and most people will just plug it in to a monitor
Hmm? How is the screen the only selling point? The screen is 13" which is virtually the same as an XPS13. The XPS13 weighs 20% more.
It's the weight that's the main point. The first line of the description literally talks about the weight as that's the main selling point.
Hell, if you're only using it for teams, emails, word etc get this(harveynorman.com.au), Up RAM to 8GB (~$20) and bam. New computer for $520.
It looks like you're only looking at it from a home user perspective. ThinkPads are not designed for home users with basic needs. IT departments of businesses and larger companies would not buy a home-grade laptop, and neither would lots of power users.
Higher-end ThinkPads like this are built tougher and have software support for far longer than typical consumer laptops. They also have different security features like match-on-chip fingerprint readers, certificate-based BIOS management, firmware tamper protection and detection for system firmware, amongst other things.
I live 1.7km away from the station + walk 800m from station to work (5km daily) so the extra 500g doesn't bother me.
That's great for you (and I don't mind my 1.3kg laptop either), but once again you're forgetting that there are many different people in the world, most of whom are not like you. Just because you find something perfectly fine doesn't mean it must be perfectly fine for every other person out there, and anyone who disagrees is a WH&S risk.
Some people like small 5" phones as they're lighter and easier to handle, some prefer larger 6.7" phones as they can see more, some people prefer 17" laptops as they're easier to see, some people prefer 1kg laptops as they're easier to carry, some people prefer 2.5kg chunky gaming laptops or workstations as they're really powerful. Different people use products in different ways and find different things important. That's why there are so many different form factors available now.
Imagine if there were two laptops side by side that were identical in every way (design, size, specs, battery life etc) except that one was 1.5kg and the other 1kg. They cost exactly the same. Which do you think most people would pick?
Perfect for achool kids too. Nice light weight and good battery.
1kg is a good weight for a portable laptop; there's really not much around this size to choose from.
That's why the Ollees always get sold out. I have 512GB for far less than the cost of the ThinkPad, and less to lose if I break or lose it.
https://lloydwood.dreamwidth.org/16609.html
Edge and Brave work better in confined spaces than Chrome does.
I get your point that this is a good value, but justifying 8gb ram is just laughable.
In a vacuum, 8gb on a laptop is "laughable". I can agree with that.
The problem is when you only consider one factor in a vacuum, you tend to make very myopic judgments. I am justifying the 8gb ram ONLY within the context of this deal and the price. Isn't that the point when we make purchasing decisions? We weigh up pros and cons - no product is perfect.
I am a professional and hobby software engineer that typically has 30+ tabs, IDE and Discord, and have not run into any major issues with 8gb.
My point is, I am waiting for someone to provide a worthy alternative that both has 16gb ram and is decent in other areas (it doesn't need to be perfect). I'd be happy to jump on to that as I am in the market for 2 x laptops. If having 16gb ram means your nits are 150 and it's 1.5kg and no usbc charging (actually, this is the current other ozb deal that has been upvoted). I probably wouldn't agree that it's a distinctly better alternative.
Tbh, it's a great laptop for uni / school. Even software engineers doing IT. I wouldn't personally use as my daily driver at home (prefer a bigger screen), but if I had to do uni again this would be a dream laptop especially due to the weight in a backpack
Lol 8gb is plenty..
Apart from not being able to update to the latest MacOS, my 2012 MacBook Air only has 4gb ram is still fine as a daily driver. And I usually have 60+ chrome tabs open.
yeah but macOS is more resource-efficient than Windows
I guess that must be it.
I'm rocking 8gb ram in my X1 carbon gen 6 from 2018. I run Lightroom/Photoshop and brave browser with 20 tabs. Why do you need more?
mm, just opened task manager on my desktop and i'm currently using 47.3GB/63.9GB although it reports 16GB of that is cached data so I guess really using 31.3GB of RAM right now.
Haven't got much open, at the moment only:
Edge with 244 tabs, Discord, Steam, Facebook Messenger (Win10 store app), Signal Desktop, Authy, Ubisoft Connect, Disney+ (Win10 store app), Fortnite, Epic Games Launcher.
In terms of RAM usage, Edge 20.4GB, Fortnite 2.5GB, Everything 1GB, Discord 400MB, Steam 256MB, Messenger 200MB, Signal 200MB, Steam Webhelper 138MB and I guess the background services make up the rest of the RAM usage. I do development on my machine so you end up with a bunch of nodejs and visual studio helper services running in the background chewing up a bunch of RAM.
My laptop came with 16GB ram but upgraded it to 64GB for only around $300 during a black friday deal on Amazon, couldn't go past the price.
Sounds like this one isn’t for you then.
Damm I feel sorry for this laptop, only 8gb of ram, it's got everything else going for it
Gigabyte 14-inch i5-11gen with 16GB RAM under 1kg.
https://www.gigabyte.com/au/Laptop/U4--Intel-11th-Gen#kf
Can be had for $1k on staticice. Not sure about the screen though.
This model looks awesome. Like a x1 carbon but cheaper and with 16gb ram.
Perfect size as well at 14in. Didn't know this existed.
Apparently 450+ nits IPS
Apparently terrible battery life though, only a 36wh battery.
Im still considering one for my use though, as it will normally be tethered to something or have power available in car etc.
Great laptop for a great price.
Clearly this is a product designed for a target audience, and that audience would not include gamers or developers. Who would want to game or code on a 13" screen?
If you think the 8gb RAM is an issue then this is not the laptop for you. Personally I couldn't care less about the 8gb RAM - my X1 Carbon Gen 5 has been running fine all these years with only 8gb RAM. It runs all my basic office productivity tasks just fine, is light and durable, and still has great battery life.
probably don't need it but for anyone looking to buy their next laptop, reducing ram on a newer model seems a little backward.
e.g. i've been using my thinkpad t480s for the past 2-3yrs now, it has 16gb of ram. I'm looking to downsize to a smaller and lighter laptop, but losing 8gb of ram feels like im downgrading instead.
that said - still considering it!
Well you can get 16gb models - you just need to pay for it:
https://www.mobileciti.com.au/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-nano-laptop…
In this case 8gb ram istoolittledogfur for the price. I would snap this up at $750. 8gb is fine if you not gaming etc
![[eBay Plus] Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano (i5-1130G7/8GB RAM/256GB SSD) $1,099 Delivered @ Shallothead eBay](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/59/727359.jpg?h=0829780d)
8GB RAM no-deal!