Pretty good price for this especially after the recent dxvk driver updates, don't forget Amex Umart $50 back
Asrock Intel Arc A750 Challenger D 8G OC Graphics Card $399 + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Umart & MSY
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Things have been quite a bit better since the recent driver updates, now they pretty consistently beat a 3060/6600xt especially at 1440p
links to those benchmarks?
I'm quite sure that Intel ARC GPUs still isn't that great when it comes to older game titles like Directx 9 titles. For Directx 12 titles i think that it's good.
The dx9 games have seen massive improvements since the dxvk update
@Kazusa: Well let's hope that it gets even better. It's a pity that Intel ARC still wasn't available when i bought my AMD RX 6600 GPU.
Please link to those benchmarks.
I did a quick check on Videocardbenchmark.net and according to them it’s not even close.
Overall scores
RX6600XT = 16266
RTX3060 = 17137
A750 = 9191 !!!It doesn't even beat the 6500XT with a score of 9407 and can be had for $260 @ Amazon or $280 in AUS store.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-arc-a750/32.html this was results on launch and since then they've improved a lot, videocardsbenchmark is a trash site
Does it also have Ray Tracing support?
Apparently it does.
Ray is a big fan
His brother Terry Tracing is more cautious
All DX12 cards have ray tracing support, but only Nvidia cards have dedicated RT cores in the GPU for ray tracing.
@FujinShu: RT only matters if your high rendering or you like pretty god rays at half the frame rate, the RT on low end Nvidia cards isn't that good for gaming ether.
Raster is king on the low end.
Yeah didn't think it'd be long before ARC GPUs started tumbling. Half cooked chicken never ends well. It starts off with lots of interest, until the first bite….
Must admit they would need to be an absolute bargain for me to even consider. Who knows what level of on going support these things will have. Given how poorly sales Ads going you gotta be wondering if Intel will pull the pin
hopefully they don't pull the pin and keep development, more competition is always better,
Given how profitable the GPU has been over the last several years I'd say the chances of them pulling out now after releasing a whole generation of GPUs is very small to non-existent.
@Budju: On the contrary, with the abysmal performance of Arc, constant delays and the product being already out of date on its very late release, it would make little sense for Intel from an investor PoV to keep putting in good money after bad. The Arc division is already being merged into other business units.
@twister292: Nobody could possibly expect Intel to be competitive out of the gate. Unplanned delays are never good, but then they were probably setting highly ambitious targets to catch the end of the crypto wave, which they well and truly missed. Reorganising a division that was set up to create the first implementation of a product to business-as-usual structures also isn't something to be alarmed about. They are, after all, rolling ARC architecture out to APUs as well as discrete GPUs - so this is actually to be fully expected.
@Budju: Looks like you haven't been following recent leaks. Battlemage will be a single low-end SKU, and there's no plans now to take chiplet dies like Celestial beyond the datacentre space. The AXG division has been bleeding money hand over fist, and there's little reason Intel would commit to it long term. XeSS isn't an Arc exclusive either.
@twister292: The leaker that leaked this said 7900xtx would be 2.5x 6900xt and has a crappy track record
@twister292: This leak? https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-desktop-gpu-roadmap-le…
Differs to your description of events.
@twister292: What about that roadmap floating around showing that they're targeting "enthusiast" and "performance" for Battlemage?
I think Intel is in it for the long haul, it took AMD. Few iterations to come good and Intel probably knows this already
We thought that when they came out with the i740 in 1999…that didn't end well
Intel have a lot of (profanity) money. They could easily be in it for the long haul and absorb losses for years while their R&D catches up to AMD or nVidia. The problem is none of that matters if their first releases don't make an impact. There is no selling point to them currently that makes me want to consider them over AMD. Nothing technical nor price wise excites me at all and nVidia's encoding shits over both cards currently.
They're pretty impressive when you consider that it's Intel's first shot at it, whilst AMD and nvidia have had a lot longer to get good at designing them. I don't think Intel will pull the pin at this point, especially since they have the ability to produce their own silicon as opposed to relying on TSMC, which could allow them to fill AMD's role as the slightly cheaper option if they were to expand capacity
I’m also excited to see support for PyTorch and other ML frameworks.
Intel is more likely to offer better memory optionsThe ARC GPUs are actually outsourced to a 6nm TSMC fab. I expect this is only going to be for this gen as Intel wants to give them the best chance at high performance possible.
@greatlamp: Yeah the profit prospects are highest for intel considering the potential to manufacture in their own fabs. It just takes one more crypto boom in that context for profits to go off the charts.
Shocking business plan though, get a potentially lucrative bit of Hardwear out, and with all the might and RnD Intel have put into it, not have a rock solid software/driver support in place before getting it out the door to billions of customers, is almost like they don't want it to succeed.
Yes it's bigger than that, no game is optimised to the hardware, it's new and needs developing, but they knew that before getting into the segment. Intel want ROI, getting it out with glitches like they had suits the accountants, not the customer.
I'd like to try it, but where's the incentive when for $450-550 you can go out and buy a GPU that'll work flawlessly from the get go. Maybe by the third iteration I'll take another look, if they're still around or performing as priced…
Billions, lol
Having rock solid driver support optimised for the hardware is impossible at launch. Its a chicken and egg situation, the developers are not going to spend their cash robustly testing your hardware if no-one has the card yet - thats not realistic. As the uptake increases and more hardware is out there + Intel start throwing some cash to the developers then the optimisations will happen.
They've already announced the second and third gen pipeline. Additionally they'll be switching the GPU in their mobile chips to ARC in the next generation.
It's not just a new product, it replaces their old GPU offerings in mobile chips. So pulling the pin would have downstream impacts.
Everyone asking to HODL while NVidia/AMD is expensive to put some pressure on NVidia/AMD and discourage raising prices should consider buying an Intel card instead.
No RGB. No good.
yes RGB adds 12.6% FPS @ 1080p in CS GO.
Thanks for quantifying - the maths was beyond me.
Are there any HDMI 2.1 ports ?
Yes, 1x. They reportedly use a DP2.0 -> HDMI2.1 chip internally but I believe it implements HDMI 2.1 fully so there shouldn't be any issues (VRR, 4k@120hz, HDR etc)
Thanks OP. ordered 2 to run in SLI.
Lol, no you won't hahaha. NVIDIA wouldn't allow it.
Edit: i should specify SLI, not multi GPU.
SLI = double the POWAAAAA baby.
Lol, double the $$$ too. Been there back in the 8800GT days.
@Sheep Whisperer: My mate had like dual gtx 580s, it was pretty boss for the time running beta version crysis at 1440p. Would have used a bit of power though.
Do Intel ARC GPUs even support SLI?. I don't think they do. SLI is a NVIDIA technology only. You're going to be disappointed.
Everything supports SLI. Even my CPUs are in SLI.
I wish there was a crossfire/sli equivalent, you used to be able to net better performance with two mid priced cards.
Stut ter tho ough
There is in the form of mGPU in DX12. Requires developers to implement support though, which is more expensive than palming the work off to driver teams at Nvidia and AMD.
meh, at best
if this price was released middle of last year
bargain
Really think these need to carve off another 25% in price to be a good option. Intel lost a great opportunity to win fans and mindshare with their pricing and half arsed drivers.
Damn thats cheap quality GPU.
Drivers lot better now, half price 3060.
Hope intel continues the line, GPUs are too expensive
How is it half price 3060? 3060 aren't 800… they're more like 500, 3070 are 800.
You're right, now $600 mark
Once unraid gets support for this, I'm all in for AV1
AV1 decode on devices are a bit slow to happen, I think this year snapdragan will supports it, I've been hoping to get into AV1.
I am also keen to slap one of these bad boys in my unraid server.
Been tempted to grab one just to play around with and been waiting for prices to drop.
Exactly my thoughts. Maybe sub-200 I’ll pull the trigger
Beats the 4070ti deals. Have an upvote.
Does the $50 umart cashback also work at MSY?
If this is the $50 for over $300 spend Amex deal you're talking about then definitely not. Different store.
Great card buy it , play games enjoy. You do not need the most expensive graphics cards to be a true gamer.
If I use the GPU to accelerate calculation, would intel GPU be very bad when I have AMD CPU?
Not necessary, it should not depend much on what CPU are you using, much more on the support for Intel GPUs by the libraries you use (likely to be worse compared to NVidia).
Best cad for transcoding. Supports AV1 encode
Does Plex support AV1?
Jellyfin does :P
Every so often I have a look at Jellyfin. Does some things better than Plex but still not quite there yet. Well, at least at my last look about a year ago.
@Bruceflix: I think you're due for another look, much has happened over a year. Next update should have full support for skip into.
I look forward to buying one of these in future for my home server (for remote use where transcoding is needed) once AV1 support is more widespread in mobile devices and streaming boxes.
Looks like there's no local stock in WA for both Umart and MSY if anyone is wondering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de51aJ33dMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N371iMe_nfA
Gamer nexus review - the whole things glued together, gonna be a pain to clean, repaste yadayada - puts me off.
Yeah that's the only thing that really gives me pause. Maintenance looks like it'll be a pain when you want to repaste in 5 years or so.
Those videos are for the reference card with Intel's cooler design. This deal is AsRock's custom version and looks to have a completely different cooler design which might be easier to disassemble, not sure though as haven't found any videos regarding this card
Would be nice if there were third party A770 16 GB
No matter how you felt about Intel before, but now, their GPUs are what's needed to break the current anti-consumer practices by both Nvidia and AMD, both overcharging their customers like crazy, just one slightly less than the other.
lol an intel graphics card….
Considering the benchmarks of newer drivers I'd probably give Intel an honest go if the 16 GB A770 drops to around $500.
I, too, love duopolies that don't benefit me as a consumer at all.
in consumer speak "buy a well know brand eg nvidia or AMD. You will have no issues playing any games or creating content because everything will be supported."
Yeah and when one company sucks (Vega) then the other company is the only choice and runs away with the show. As a consumer you should be welcoming competition and not dismissing it with your hurr durr they will never compete lol.
@Diji: thats all well and good but if developers aren't bothering to support the hardware its pointless buying it. Developers have to want to support the hardware before it can be useful dispite the current issues with radeons, and nvidia. They still have the best support for all software.
@kungfuman: What exactly has that got to do with you being dismissive of a new competitor entering the market?
@Diji: in the world of video cards jsut adding a competitor is not enough developers need to be convinced to support it or the video card becomes not very useful if not many technolgies in teh software are supported on the hardware. So its not a case of me being dismissive its more a case of developers being dismissive.
in the world of video cards jsut adding a competitor is not enough developers need to be convinced to support it
Alchemist is frankly impressive considering it's a first showing. Maybe the value isn't there and I'm sure the people who spend $800+ on graphics cards aren't interested by a 6600 XT tier card, but it's not terrible. AMD and Nvidia have released bad products before and they don't have the excuse of lack of experience.
the video card becomes not very useful if not many technolgies in teh software are supported on the hardware.
What software that you use isn't supported on Alchemist? Are you talking about a wrapper being used for DX9? You've got DirectX 12, currently the most important API for games, as well as OpenCL for users who want that.
not a case of me being dismissive
I quote:
lol an intel graphics card….
intel trying to compete with AMD in teh graphics card world they will never ever be able to come close to a Radeon graphics card.If that's not dismissive then I don't know what is. No one's telling you to buy it but if you're just writing off the competitor completely (not just the current products) then you're essentially encouraging a duopoly and the problems that it causes. Best not complain about the prices of graphics cards in future.
@Diji: Am I not being clear or are you just not understanding what I am saying? I am trying to say no matter if the hardware is good or bad from AMD or Nvidia that doesn't matter in this case. Because its about what developers choose to support in there games and software. Intel video cards would not be able to do certain things in games and some software applications because the software either doesn't support the card or doesnt suppose the technologies intergrated in Intels SDK for there graphics cards. This is nothing to do with if you like one brand of the other, or competition. Bottom line is if developer don't want to support the card then it will never take off.
@kungfuman: I notice you still can't name any of these things that Alchemist doesn't support so I'm going to assume your initial comments were low-tier trolling and now you're scrambling to legitimise them. I'm not gonna bother responding further.
folks said the same thing about AMD never going to catch up to intel, that they will crash and burn eventually and intel will have total monopoly, yet here we are
with both nvidia and amd charging over two grand (well, three grand for nvidia, but that doesnt excuse amd in anyway) for top tier gpus, its time for a third contender
The increased prices of the high end stuff from the main players doesn't bode well for the RRP of upcoming mid and budget range cards, either.
Yep. I cant see them charging anywhere near a normal price. Both of them benefitted a lot from the GPU shortage and they are all too eager to keep the price up, forcing consumers to choose either 'stupidly expensive' or 'slightly cheaper but still stupidly expensive'.
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Somewhat comparable to a RTX 3060 if anyone is wondering.