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Sight & Sound Theatres Offers 'Jesus' Production for Free Easter Weekend Viewing

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tryagain on 08/04/2023 - 22:34 sight-sound.tv (2081 clicks)
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Similar to this popular deal, from 3 years ago. Sight and Sound Theatre are offering a free three-day streaming of JESUS theatrical production

Full disclosure and a trigger warning for the antitheists among us, this a theatre production about Jesus if that's not your thing feel free to move along.

That being said for anyone else this is actually a pretty good watch, I was pleasantly surprised with the quality 3 years ago and have happily watched it again. The kids really enjoyed it as well, it's basically a live theatrical performance of the story of Jesus with a brief Christian message at the end.

Here is the trailer for anyone interested.

And now for some cut and paste.

“Sight and Sound’s ‘Jesus’ show premiered 2018 and ran for two years, and the way it was produced was so cinematic in nature with the 300-foot wrap-around stage that it adapted perfectly to the screen,” Enck told The Christian Post. “When we saw it on the screen as a finished product, we were blown away by it. We’re so passionate about it because this story needs to be out there, told in this fresh new way.”

Over a million people have watched the live performance of “Jesus” at Sight & Sound’s theater in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Katie Miller, corporate communications manager at Sight & Sound told CP that the production takes a "very personal approach to the Jesus story.”

“We meet so many characters and learn the story of who they were both before and after they encounter Jesus," she said. “After watching the show, so many people came to us and said, ‘That’s my story. That’s how Jesus rescued me.' Act One is about individual rescues from the Bible; Act Two is about our rescue.

"I think that's one of the most inspiring and unexpected things that came out of that show. People saw themselves in the characters and in the way that Jesus was meeting every single person, right where they were at, and bringing to them what they needed to be rescued.”

The event also dramatizes inspirational moments from Jesus’ life, from challenging the Pharisees to healing the sick and hurting. According to Enck, the writers wanted to highlight Jesus' humanity and ability to connect with those of every walk of life.

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  • [Deactivated] on 08/04/2023 - 22:57
    +27

    Amen

    • VerticallyIntegrated on 09/04/2023 - 13:57

      The sequel is better

      • axlfan on 09/04/2023 - 14:36
        +3

        Sequel yet to come. Can happen anytime.

      • Vanceer on 09/04/2023 - 20:33

        Ah men, two!

  • spackbace on 08/04/2023 - 23:02
    -1

    Oh

    My

    God!

  • eggboi on 08/04/2023 - 23:04
    +5

    Jaysus Chroist!

  • FireRunner on 08/04/2023 - 23:07
    +58

    Happy Easter all

    • ChadHominem on 08/04/2023 - 23:25
      +22

      Star Wars has ghosts and magic, and some people waste way more of their life on it. Deciding what people should and shouldn’t be exposed to has no place in the modern world. That being said I’m not religious either and I’m sorry for your experience

      • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:29
        +36

        One is presented as fiction, one is presented as fact.

        • ChadHominem on 08/04/2023 - 23:41
          +34

          The Star Wars were real. They just happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away

      • ihfree on 08/04/2023 - 23:34
        -5

        Star wars (arguably - Disney) doesn't end up running countries.

        • tonyjzx on 09/04/2023 - 00:57
          +2

          they dont even run florida

        • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 05:39
          +4

          Disney executives admitted to have a queer agenda.

          It's even in kids shows.

          • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 18:50

            @gto21: As in they don't harass and defame gay people because the laws of a primitive and cruel bronze age cult say to do so? Oh no the horror, what awful people being kind and loving to those around them who've not done anything wrong to others, and speaking up for victims. If only the adults who don't grow out of christianity and believing in obvious primitive fairy tales could achieve half of that kindness and ability to be decent neighbours without unfairly harassing groups.

            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 18:53
              +1

              @CodeExplode: I believe in the fairytale that everything is created from nothing

              And nonliving matter becomes living.

              Sue me for believing in fairytales and magic.

              • CodeExplode on 10/04/2023 - 01:37

                @gto21: Is English your first language? I read this post several times and can't grasp what it's trying to say. It seems calling out harassment of gay people being cruel and unjustified broke your brain and you started acting like a low power chatbot stringing together words.

                • gto21 on 10/04/2023 - 07:15

                  @CodeExplode: Many of us offer to help you. Feel free to contact me. I'm not a counselor. But if you want to talk I'm happy to hear from you if you need.

                  I won't judge if the abuse you received affected you mentally, emotionally or physically.

                  • CodeExplode on 10/04/2023 - 08:32

                    @gto21: 5 seconds ago you were whining about 'the queer agenda' and people who don't treat gay people like shit because of an outdated brutal bronze age cult's laws against them, and now you offer this supposed 'help' in an attempted guilt trip for calling you out. I'm a self-respecting adult who escaped religion you nonce, I can see right through cult bullying techniques and manipulative offers of fake help and the guilt trips as you pretend to be enlightened and helpful. I lived it. I also remember the dumb things you say and dumb whines such as gay people being treated equally, even if you try to pretend you didn't when called out on it.

                    Save your abusive manipulations for kids.

                    • gto21 on 10/04/2023 - 08:57
                      -3

                      @CodeExplode: When you travel on an airplane, if there is an incident of low cabin pressure, the flight attendant will instruct you to put your own oxygen mask on yourself before you try and help others put their mask on. The reason for this is that if you try and help someone else get their mask on before you put yours on, there is a possibility that you could both pass out from lack of oxygen. If, however, you first put your mask on yourself, you can focus on helping others who may need your help.

                      As much as the gay activism is important for you. I want to make sure you give yourself enough time to heal and take care of yourself. It sounds like you're deeply affected by the abuse you received. It's really sad to hear. It breaks my heart that you went through that bad experience.

                      • CodeExplode on 10/04/2023 - 20:28

                        @gto21: Your brain broke when called out on your unfair harassment of gay people because of bronze age laws tied to children's fairy tales which you can't discern from reality. All this rambling with zero meaning just to avoid discussing it. Your attempts to manipulate and fake pity are embarrassing. That you think that would work on somebody who has grown out of religion shows a lot about the limitations of what's going on upstairs in your own head.

            • ozhunter on 10/04/2023 - 13:20
              +1

              @CodeExplode:

              gay people

              so this was the reason for all those comments.

              • CodeExplode on 10/04/2023 - 20:27
                -1

                @ozhunter: I'm not gay, it was gto21 who whined about Disney having 'queer' people in their media.

                • gto21 on 10/04/2023 - 20:50

                  @CodeExplode: Misrepresenting what I said.

                  I don't have kids. But I would like to know is it wrong for parents to complain when Netflix and Disney are pushing a queer ideology in little children's shows?

    • Barry frm EastEnders on 08/04/2023 - 23:26
      +4

      WelIts pretty shallow that you think people don't have the same measure or critical thinking skills to make up their own minds on something you say is 'indoctrination to bronze age superstitions about ghosts and magic'.

      • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:32
        +7

        If you believe in magic and ghosts and bronze age men who walked on water you don't have critical thinking skills.

        You wouldn't believe these things if you hadn't been born into the right place and time to be indoctrinated into them either, and would see them as just ridiculous fairy tales.

        • johnyBgood on 09/04/2023 - 00:52

          Just curious, what is now your belief? How did we exist and why do you have a critical thinking skills?

        • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 05:40
          +4

          I believe everything was created by magic from nothing. What's the problem?

        • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 06:58
          -2

          you don't have critical thinking skills.

          Ironic.
          Arthur C Clarke told us that magic is just sufficiently advanced technology that we don't understand, and David Blaine has literally walked on water.

          You wouldn't believe these things

          Bruce Lee pointed to the sky and said 'if you look at the hand, you will miss all the heavenly glory'.

          Proverbs 16:18 says the pride comes before the fall. This seems like good advice to me.

          • ihfree on 09/04/2023 - 08:09
            +3

            @1st-Amendment:

            David Blaine has literally walked on water.

            What a response to critical thinking skills. This one speaks for itself.

        • Thaal Sinestro on 09/04/2023 - 10:51

          So called modern, progressive leftist believe a man can become a woman with just a click of their fingers, and humans can magically control the climate of the entire planet. They deny that unborn babies are even human - to them, they are just a random bundle of cells. They are just as irrational as the the religious folk you despise so much.

          I've noticed that people who bash Christianity never say anything bad about the "Religion of Peace". Atheist = Islam sympathizer.

          • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 10:55
            +3

            @Thaal Sinestro:

            So called modern, progressive leftist

            There's almost a word of the day calendar worth of soap box right wing rant cliche words right there.
            Congrats on fitting them all into one post.

        • RetroMetro on 09/04/2023 - 10:56
          +1

          I'm guessing u believe in a big explosion that formed everything perfectly and then we came from monkeys who came from bacteria

          • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 11:06
            +4

            @RetroMetro: Nup, I believe some all powerful magic man snapped his fingers and created everything in 6 days then took a rest day, the earth is 6000 years old, and dinosaur fossils are just the magic man's way of messing with us.

            How about you?

            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 11:29

              @SBOB: A man is bound by time, space and matter. A man would be part of creation.

              • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 11:41
                +2

                @gto21: I said 'magic man', not man.
                Clearly 'man' must be part of the creation…all in his image and all, and therefore man must be a subset of 'magic man'

                Perhaps the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel might help you visualise the difference…one of them has a beard.

                Man, some of you believers clearly are selective in the bits you believe.

                • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 12:14

                  @SBOB: Is the magic man a physcial being?

                  • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 12:24
                    +2

                    @gto21:

                    Is the magic man a physcial being?

                    You not read the book?

                    If you need the principles behind you're underlying beliefs explained, the phrase 'do your own research' seems incredibly suitable.

                    • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 12:26

                      @SBOB: Hahaha, say the person who claimed everything was created by a magical man.

                      You need a book on philosophy.

                      • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 12:31
                        +1

                        @gto21:

                        say the person who claimed everything was created by a magical man

                        Not my claims. I'm just paraphrasing.

                        If you'd like to offer an alternative description of your creationist beliefs and summary of the alternative to that leftist woke big bang theory, I'm all ears….

                        • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 12:40

                          @SBOB: Some theists are not against the big bang. They say they know who bang it. Any serious philosopher won't say it a magic man tho lol.

                          • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 12:44
                            +2

                            @gto21: If you think you're a 'serious philosopher' then, feel free to give us the one paragraph summary so we can be better educated. Im surprised a serious philosopher would visit such a forum.

                            If my cliff note summary, using relaxed or informal prose has confused you (on a bargain forum no least), let me know what words and descriptions align more with your beliefs.

                            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 12:49

                              @SBOB: "Im surprised a serious philosopher would visit such a forum. "

                              I did not know serious philosophers are banned on ozbargain. Where is that rule?

                              • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 12:50
                                +2

                                @gto21: You know, it's ok to admit you don't know the words or how to better explain the underlying premise of your beliefs…

          • dazweeja on 09/04/2023 - 11:32

            @RetroMetro: I'm really curious what you mean by "formed everything perfectly". What's perfect in the universe?

            Also, our genomes show pretty clearly what we did and did not descend from and where different organisms branched off. I didn't realise that anyone doubted this?

            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 12:16

              @dazweeja: I think he is referimg to the fine tuning of the universe.

              Do you believe in Chemical Evolution?

              • dazweeja on 09/04/2023 - 12:33

                @gto21: I don't think the universe is fine-tuned at all. There are a bunch of physical laws but even then they are approximations that only give reasonably accurate predictions under certain limits. The universe is fundamentally probabilistic.

                Chemical evolution seems to be the most reasonable explanation for the origin of life. If it's incomplete, that's fine because there's never any "proof", only explanations. If someone is going to claim it was a deity, then they have to provide evidence to support that. I think religious people have an assumption that a supernatural being is the default position, as in, if you don't have an explanation, then a supernatural being must be responsible. But the default position should always be "I don't know" and then let the evidence guide you.

                • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 13:49

                  @dazweeja: So you disagree with the likes of Stephen Hawking who believed the universe was finely adjust for life?

                  Since chemical evolution is the most reasonable explanation for the origin of life. Explain how nonliving matter became living matter?

                  • abjsdhasehasee on 09/04/2023 - 14:59

                    @gto21: Imagine thinking that just because we don't have the answers to the most complex and technical questions that humanity faces, that therefore GOD must be the answer, and not one of the thousand gods, the one that created earth 6000 years ago in a few days! You are the same people who believed Zues controlled the lightning because you could not explain it.

                    No answer != God

                    • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 21:47

                      @abjsdhasehasee: I don't remember making any arguments for God of the gaps. Maybe you can help me figure out what I said that was a god of the gaps argument.

    • tryagain on 08/04/2023 - 23:28
      +37

      This isn't indoctrination, sounds like you were a victim of something other than what Jesus was about, no need to conflate the two.

      • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:34
        +8

        Telling kids that ghosts and magic bronze age men walking on water etc are real while they're young and vulnerable to such manipulations is the very definition of indoctrination.

        All to propagate a long outdated system of bronze age laws which keep causing problems in the modern world.

        • tryagain on 08/04/2023 - 23:36
          +24

          No, "the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically" is the definition of indoctrination.

          • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:38
            +8

            @tryagain: That was a major, major part of it. "For we walk by faith, not by sight."

            • tryagain on 08/04/2023 - 23:43
              +18

              @CodeExplode: Faith - Yes, Blind Faith - No.

              • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:58
                +19

                @tryagain: It literally calls for blind faith right there in the bible verse. Christian apologists argue that having evidence would be a bad thing, because the core themes of the bible are all about tests of believing blindly even when you don't have evidence.

                If you don't 'just believe' unwaveringly, you won't get your eternal rewards. It's essentially the exact same scam as 'The Secret'.

                • chawks on 09/04/2023 - 04:31
                  +20

                  @CodeExplode: It literally does not. Walking by faith and not by sight means we set our eyes on the things above, not earthly (temporal) things. Also, the author in Hebrews 11:1 writes ‘Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.’
                  It’s really not a ‘blind faith’ as you make it out to be.
                  I appreciate you’ve done some research, but it seems in this area you misunderstand certain verses of scripture even at a basic level.

                  • eggboi on 09/04/2023 - 11:18

                    @chawks: You’ve already made a blind-faith assumption with zero evidence that “things above” even exist in the first place. You can’t use the point of contention as part of your argument. It seems you misunderstand certain concepts of reason and logic even at a basic level.

                • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 07:03
                  +6

                  @CodeExplode:

                  It literally calls for blind faith right there in the bible verse

                  Which passage specifically?
                  Proverbs 14:15: The simple believe anything, the prudent give thought to their steps

                • luckydan on 09/04/2023 - 13:22
                  +3

                  @CodeExplode: Faith is just moral of the story, Bible Teachings are stories that suppose to teach us morals, akin to the old cartoons of old like He-Man and Sonic the Hedgehog where they have a point at the end after the show.

                  "The bible are all about tests of believing blindly even when you don't have evidence."

                  So if you don't believe in the bible then you are saying it's ok to murder and betray your parents be careful what you say, if you discount this then you have to discount philosophers and so forth who say the same things, and what they are saying is wrong.

                  Code your logic is become fallacious:

                  "Why would you think to 'teach kids that there is no God'? I'm not suggesting replacing one religion with another. It's like teaching kids that 'there is no Batman'. Just don't present fiction as real while they're young and vulnerable, once their adult-BS-detectors kick in most of them will be fine and won't be vulnerable to people claiming it's real."

                  Yet people themselves are acting as Batman and Batman has similar morals and principles as the Bible. The Batman comic doesn't put in a cavet that don't go around and protecting people because it's all fiction. Really, that's what you're suggesting? So why are you protecting your opinion against the bible, isn't that hypocritical?

                  "Religion and believing you know the one true way and all the others are just wrong and don't know how to interpret the make believe like you do. Name a more iconic duo."

                  If you even follow Religion or dabble in it on the surface you find that most of them are very similar in some sense, one has a creator "God", then you have minor "Gods" or angels and so forth. Sort of writing a fiction book like Spider-Man where the creator is the writer of that comic book aka "Stan Lee". You can choose not to believe it or not, but your argument does not make sense at all.

              • JeBs on 09/04/2023 - 00:18
                -4

                @tryagain: So you are a member of Scientology? Got it.

              • bio on 09/04/2023 - 18:13
                +3

                @tryagain: Faith is always blind. Its definition is to believe in something that is told to you, something that you can't independently prove.

                  • bio on 09/04/2023 - 18:27

                    @tryagain: Thank you for pointing me to a theological explanation, which (of course) contradicts with itself:

                    Blind faith in God is generally seen as a good thing since God is known to be good. However, blind faith in other things, for example, a politician can be seen as bad.

                    Yeah, sure.

                    Let me point you to an article from the other side:

                    https://secularhumanism.org/2021/11/what-is-the-truth-about-…

                    • tryagain on 09/04/2023 - 19:47
                      +1

                      @bio: I shared a secular site showing the differences, by "the other side" I think you are really saying "one-sided" I did read it but safe to say there seems to be some false dichotomy and circular reasoning going on there. But it's WAAAAAAY too long to read to start with to try and make a simple point, let alone pick it apart.

                      But here is a basic breakdown of the spectrum as I see it, which shows the false dichotomy.

                      Reasoned Trust (can run with their definition) > Faith - confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept, this can be with or without some corroborating evidence or experiences > Blind Faith - confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept without any basis for that confidence or trust.

                      • bio on 09/04/2023 - 20:36

                        @tryagain: So according to what you just wrote:

                        Faith: "confidence or trust […] that can be […] without some corroborating evidence or experiences"

                        Blind Faith: "confidence or trust […] without any basis"

                        To me they are exactly the same. If you ask 100 random people they will interpret these two statements as same.

                        • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 20:43
                          +1

                          @bio: Why did you remove "with" from his definition?

                          • bio on 09/04/2023 - 20:51

                            @gto21: That's called "quoting".

                            If I say "coffee can be made without milk" any sane person will understand that it can also be made with milk (otherwise why mention milk?).

                            The point is, his definition of "faith" does not mandate "evidence or experiences". It's the same thing as blind faith.

                            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 21:03
                              +1

                              @bio: Quotes are fine. The problem is when someone leave out parts that can lead to a misrepresentation of what the other person said.

                              After reading both message that was a strawman argument.

                        • tryagain on 09/04/2023 - 21:38
                          +2

                          @bio: To me, blind faith is a subset of faith, a bit like craft beer is a subset of beer, but not all beer is craft beer, and not all faith is blind.

                          If you ask 100 random people they will interpret these two statements as same.

                          Well, if we are just going to make stuff up! Then….

          • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2023 - 19:33
            -2

            @tryagain: And covid. Oh wait, same thing.

        • JeBs on 09/04/2023 - 00:04
          +3

          Nobody and no system is perfect, but there are many good values that come from learning religion that make it worthwhile for children to know. I certainly don’t agree with everything the Catholic Church or other religions have to say, but to teach children that there is no God, and that we are essentially nothing more than a product of chance - is that what you propose? If religion is taught the proper way, then it teaches understanding, respect and tolerance for those with different values and beliefs too - much like yourself. Further, numerous studies have shown the phenomenal benefits to the body and mind due to spirituality, which seems to be what you really can’t stand. Seems like you can’t stand diversity too, and expect everyone to be just like you. Let me guess - you have no kids? Be sure to stay that way.

          • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 00:19
            +12

            @JeBs:

            but to teach children that there is no God, and that we are essentially nothing more than a product of chance - is that what you propose?

            Why would you think to 'teach kids that there is no God'? I'm not suggesting replacing one religion with another. It's like teaching kids that 'there is no Batman'. Just don't present fiction as real while they're young and vulnerable, once their adult-BS-detectors kick in most of them will be fine and won't be vulnerable to people claiming it's real.

            I don't understand what you mean by 'essentially nothing more than a product of chance', like reality is determined by what tickles your ego the most? The truth of how lightning works has nothing to do with what feels nice to us to believe, and just because a cult of Thor told vulnerable kids that every time it flashed it meant they were were being communicated with doesn't make the actual evidence-based explanation a case of 'just' this. It is what it is.

            If religion is taught the proper way

            Religion and believing you know the one true way and all the others are just wrong and don't know how to interpret the make believe like you do. Name a more iconic duo.

            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 05:46
              -1

              @CodeExplode: Is it ok to teach kids that everything is created from nothing?

            • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 07:07
              +2

              @CodeExplode:

              believing you know the one true way

              Yet here you are telling us exactly that… Where are these critical thinking skills you claim to possess?

        • luckydan on 09/04/2023 - 13:10

          These are just stories and if you apply your think that this is real, then every story that has ever been written has been real as well. Not in our sense, but in another world sense.

          So you should prevent people from writing stories in the first place if you want to do no harm.

      • morse on 09/04/2023 - 04:48
        +4

        Unfortunately what Jesus was about’ is often subject to great variation and can lead to the type of harm that CodeExplode talks about. Pray for our friends in Uganda who face death in the name of Jesus https://theconversation.com/amp/ugandas-new-anti-lgbtq-law-c…

        Whilst you say ‘trigger warning - move on’ you know full well when you write that, that people have the right not to move on and express their concerns based on their experience.

        Nothing wrong with your deal, but nothing wrong with people commenting about the issues with it, just as if someone posted an airfryer deal someone might comment ‘oh no, don’t buy that one it burned down my house’ if someone had that experience of it.

        • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 05:56

          I don't think the article says anything about Jesus. Maybe I missed it.

          • morse on 09/04/2023 - 06:48
            +2

            @gto21: It’s being driven by Christians (followers of Jesus), the dominant religion in Uganda.

            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 06:53

              @morse: It does not say anything about Christian too.

              • morse on 09/04/2023 - 07:16
                +2

                @gto21: Uganda is essentially as Christian dictatorship. The president is a born again Christian and ideologically driven.

                https://africanarguments.org/2023/03/well-funded-riddles-not…

                Uganda’s ruling NRM party, the donor community, the powerful Christian factions, and human rights activists all bear perspectives that seek no benefit in hindsight but dominate the debate to the point of silencing all other voices.

                Many Christians don’t support this support this new law in Uganda, many (mostly in Africa) do, which is why I thought it was a great example of how ‘what Jesus is about’ is something different to different people and can result in harm like CodeExplode was referring to. It doesn’t make Christianity bad, it just means that some people have had an awful if not sometimes deadly experience from their experience with that religion.

            • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 07:12
              +5

              @morse:

              It’s being driven by Christians (followers of Jesus), the dominant religion in Uganda.

              So you just causally associate any attribute whenever convenient to support you argument?
              Ugandan are also predominantly Black, could we use your same technique to tarnish all of them with the same brush? Is this the logic you're asking us to buy into here?

              • morse on 09/04/2023 - 07:26
                +1

                @1st-Amendment: No he cites his religion as his logic for this law. I’ve never understood Christians who support the death penalty.

                • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 07:43
                  +5

                  @morse:

                  I’ve never understood Christians who support the death penalty.

                  Why don't you find one and ask them?
                  Because everyone is different and they all have different views on things. As soon as you venture down the logic of all X's are Y's then you are doomed to failure.
                  eg do you think we should we judge all Athiests on the actions of Stalin or Mao?

                  • morse on 09/04/2023 - 08:09
                    +1

                    @1st-Amendment: I have many Christian friends and we’ve had good chats about such things. Christians group themselves. Some atheists do too. I personally don’t define myself into either of those categories. I don’t like capital punishment, many Christians don’t either. I don’t like what Yoweri Museveni is doing in Uganda with Christianity as a justification, I wouldn’t like it even if the justification was different, but it’s also how he gets support, so in this instance religion is being used to harm people. I’d say most Christians would be as outraged as I am about it.

                    • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 08:13
                      +2

                      @morse: Unless you can prove objective morality in your worldview. What you dislike is subjective. Without objevtive morality it does not matter what someone like or dislike.

                      • morse on 09/04/2023 - 08:27
                        +2

                        @gto21: Legislating to kill gay people as per in Uganda would seem pretty evil to by my world view. I really hope you’re not trying to condone it. Your fellow Christians probably don’t like their religion being represented that way.

                        • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 08:46
                          +2

                          @morse: The way you answer it seems your saying 'objective morality' comes from you in your worldview. Which is subjective.

                          Some people believe beastiality is ok. And it's allowed in some countries If you are the "objective morality". And you are against beastiality, it's your opinion vs their opinion.

                          Without objective morality, good and evil does not exist.

                          • morse on 09/04/2023 - 08:57

                            @gto21: Shouldn’t you be at church or something? It’s Easter Sunday. Whilst you’re there ask your pastor or priest what their subjective views are in the death penalty for being gay are.

                            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 09:04
                              +1

                              @morse: Ok I'll ask them since you don't have an answer. No worries.

                              If I ask a priest what is his subjective option on it. He will know that I don't understand the moral argument.

                    • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 08:54

                      @morse:

                      I have many Christian friends and we’ve had good chats about such things.

                      But do you have any that support the death penalty? Because this sounds a lot like 'I have friends who are black, therefore they represent all opinion of all Black people'.
                      Individual vs group, it's a very important distinction

                      Christians group themselves

                      Plenty of inter-faith conflict throughout history demonstrates that this is not true.

                      I don’t like what Yoweri Museveni is doing

                      You don't like what he is doing, or you don't like the version of events as described by the Media? If there is anything we have learned over the last decade it's that the media cannot be trusted and always have an agenda.

                      but it’s also how he gets support,

                      He also gets support by being Black. Do you think he would have the same support if he was White?

                      so in this instance religion is being used to harm people

                      So in this instance because he is Black he is harming people. This is the same preposterous logic.

                      The irony of this is that the flawed logic of identity politics is specifically called out in John 7:24: "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly".

      • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:36
        +18

        Hate speech means irrational and unearned criticism.

        It not a magic get-out-of-jail card to make anything be beyond criticism.

          • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:42
            +9

            @pharcyde: My life and family was dominated by christianity for many, many years.

            I know full well what I'm talking about. The indoctrination just didn't equip you with any way to defend it except insults. There's no logic or facts to justify teaching kids about magic men who walk on water and ghosts and being judged by an invisible man who predates evolution and seems to only care about one little tribe in the middle east.

            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 06:07

              @CodeExplode: Most christian don't believe God is an invisible MAN from all eternity.

              What was your denomination?

            • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 07:25
              +1

              @CodeExplode:

              I know full well what I'm talking about

              And this is what passes for critical thinking to you? The argument for authority logical fallacy?

              There's no logic or facts to justify teaching kids…

              Your claim that there is no logic is itself not sound logic. Just saying 'logic' doesn't automatically make something logical.

              Well allow me to prove you wrong, using actual logic (rather you you using that word without understanding what it really means)

              1. Premise 1: the Bible contains the culmination of thousands of years of human wisdom up to the point in time that it was written
              2. Premise 2: that wisdom, while not entirely 100% accurate by the modern 21st century scientific definition still contains an lot relevant valuable wisdom that applies today
              3. Conclusion: teaching kids about the lessons from the Bible has value

              The real kicker here is that this argument was already explained in Matthew 23:23-24.
              For someone who claim to have been 'indoctrinated' in the Bible you didn't seem to pay much attention

      • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 05:59
        +1

        Would you like to use your own advise to keep your views to yourself? 😄

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