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Sight & Sound Theatres Offers 'Jesus' Production for Free Easter Weekend Viewing

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Sight & Sound Theatres Offers 'Jesus' Production for Free Easter Weekend Viewing
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tryagain on 08/04/2023 - 22:34 sight-sound.tv (2081 clicks)
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Similar to this popular deal, from 3 years ago. Sight and Sound Theatre are offering a free three-day streaming of JESUS theatrical production

Full disclosure and a trigger warning for the antitheists among us, this a theatre production about Jesus if that's not your thing feel free to move along.

That being said for anyone else this is actually a pretty good watch, I was pleasantly surprised with the quality 3 years ago and have happily watched it again. The kids really enjoyed it as well, it's basically a live theatrical performance of the story of Jesus with a brief Christian message at the end.

Here is the trailer for anyone interested.

And now for some cut and paste.

“Sight and Sound’s ‘Jesus’ show premiered 2018 and ran for two years, and the way it was produced was so cinematic in nature with the 300-foot wrap-around stage that it adapted perfectly to the screen,” Enck told The Christian Post. “When we saw it on the screen as a finished product, we were blown away by it. We’re so passionate about it because this story needs to be out there, told in this fresh new way.”

Over a million people have watched the live performance of “Jesus” at Sight & Sound’s theater in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Katie Miller, corporate communications manager at Sight & Sound told CP that the production takes a "very personal approach to the Jesus story.”

“We meet so many characters and learn the story of who they were both before and after they encounter Jesus," she said. “After watching the show, so many people came to us and said, ‘That’s my story. That’s how Jesus rescued me.' Act One is about individual rescues from the Bible; Act Two is about our rescue.

"I think that's one of the most inspiring and unexpected things that came out of that show. People saw themselves in the characters and in the way that Jesus was meeting every single person, right where they were at, and bringing to them what they needed to be rescued.”

The event also dramatizes inspirational moments from Jesus’ life, from challenging the Pharisees to healing the sick and hurting. According to Enck, the writers wanted to highlight Jesus' humanity and ability to connect with those of every walk of life.

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    • thanatos350 on 08/04/2023 - 23:50
      +5

      This is a tough one. The use of stories to teach the young about being a good (good in a prosocial, not biblical sense) and kind person isn't inherently bad and might be sort of effective. However, the heavier content and messaging that came with graduation from a children's bible to an adult bible sort of messed me up for a while as an older kid - terrified of the fate that would await my non-baptised friends and family, as well as my own at the onset of puberty. I genuinely thought that I was bound for hell.

      It probably helped to develop my capacity for critical thought, seeing as it sort of forced me to resolve the resultant cognitive dissonance by trying to think it all through.

      I hope you're doing better now. I'm not sure of the precise implications of the word victim, but it's a shame that you were downvoted. Christianity will not survive if it continues to refuse to acknowledge and rectify it's transgressions.

      • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:52
        +7

        While stories about decency etc can be helpful, there's tons of other options which aren't intertwined with a bronze age middle eastern cult. And frankly fantasy fiction has come a long way since then. The bible's stories are extremely basic, like a bunch of kids mocking a bald man get mauled by a bear sent by the loving god.

        • thanatos350 on 09/04/2023 - 00:05
          +1

          I received a Catholic education, so I suppose these positive messages were provided in a more structured and regular way than I imagine they are at secular schools. I'm not saying that they don't, just that my school spent a lot of time on it and really drilled it in with a consistent theme.

          I refer only to the most favourable Santa-esque tidbits of memory that I have from those years, but I agree with you.

    • CommuterPolluter on 09/04/2023 - 00:09

      It’s all a matter of perspective. I was raised an atheist. I can only think of wasted years and sigh.

      • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 00:12
        +2

        I've noticed that those who were raised religious are the most outspoken in calling out its flaws, not seeing it as some other culture to respect in its differences but just people acting like idiots in a way they used to, similar to people who quit drinking and driving.

        Whereas those who have never been religious see it as another culture and think they're doing the right thing by 'tolerating' it, since they've been bullied into thinking the only reason to oppose it is xenophobia. Many of us oppose it because we lived it and know exactly what's wrong with it and don't put it on any sort of pedestal. The opposition isn't xenophobia to things which are different and unknown, the opposition comes from the most familiarity and having lived it ourselves. It's a scam which needs to stop. It is stopping, but it needs to stop faster. Every kid having years of their life wasted by it is a preventable problem.

        • CommuterPolluter on 09/04/2023 - 00:53
          +1

          I don’t really think this is the best forum but perhaps you misunderstood my comment - I am a Catholic Christian. I don’t “tolerate” Christianity, I tolerate atheism.

          The sins of my pre-Christian life were a direct result of my parents leaving the Church and raising me as an atheist. I hurt myself and others. Yes, we can be forgiven by God but it doesn’t take away the pain we have caused. I wish I could have been raised with the moral upbringing that you were given.

        • johnyBgood on 09/04/2023 - 01:16
          -1

          How do you explain people who are changed by accepting Jesus Christ in their life? People who were able to overcome addiction, abuse and received miraculous healings due to their faith? There are super natural things that cannot be explained by science, and unless you experience it, it is really hard to believe. If you try hard and look for evidence, I believe you will find the truth. I don't think 12 people will be able to fool millions of people by telling them to follow a Messiah without eyewitness. And why would Paul who used to be anti Christ write so many epistles about the divinity of Christ and spend the rest if his life converting the gentiles if he didn't encounter something super natural that changed him? May God bless you brother.

          • DiscountForThee on 09/04/2023 - 07:09
            +1

            @johnyBgood: I think it's pretty well explained in people having different definitions / thresholds for what constitutes "evidence"

    • ozhunter on 09/04/2023 - 01:34

      I say this as a former victim who had a lot of my life controlled and wasted by it.

      how so?

    • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 05:21
      +3

      For some people its the opposite. They have a great experience. You can find many testimonies from former alcholic, former drug addict etc.

      In the past I stuggled financially. Churches helped me. And I did not even have to be a member.

      What was bad for you does not mean its bad for others.

      • ihfree on 10/04/2023 - 18:49
        +1

        I'm sorry to hear your story. The church shouldn't be given the opportunity to prey on the vulnerable. The church or charities also shouldn't need to pick up the slack for what is basically a failed system.

        • gto21 on 10/04/2023 - 18:57

          I'm an atheist now. I got convinced everything is created from nothing.

          Sadly the system is broken here. We have atheist rapist, pedos etc

          Lets condemn all atheists. Or not.

          • ihfree on 10/04/2023 - 19:11
            +1

            @gto21: You need to work on your reading comprehension.

            You can't really judge atheists as a group anymore then you can judge people who don't believe in Santa or the Easter bunny as a group.

            • gto21 on 10/04/2023 - 19:17

              @ihfree: I thought you said earlier because of the similarities amoung atheist then somehow make you better than theist. I'm not sure if better is the correct term. Whatever you meant. It did not make sense to me.

              Give the correct information so that I don't group judge them as a group.

              • ihfree on 10/04/2023 - 19:18
                +1

                @gto21: Lol. I never said atheists were better than theists. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

                • gto21 on 10/04/2023 - 19:27

                  @ihfree: I need to copy paste that next to your other message.

                  Once you replied to the other one. I do the same, by copy paste it here.

                  You are so inconsistent. I reckon I can get you to debate yourself.

                  Something like atheist feel the same. Theist don't feel the same. I guess that was an argument that atheist/atheism is better.

                  I'm busy now. But give me time. If I feel like it I will get you to debate yourself. Hahah maybe it will be fun.

                  • ihfree on 10/04/2023 - 20:01
                    +1

                    @gto21: Maybe reply in the correct thread and try staying on topic. What's consistent is your inconsistency. You have no idea what people are saying and are desperate to bring identity politics into the conversation.

    • utopia on 09/04/2023 - 12:52

      Do you know any country you want to move to ( that'll also accept your application) that exists without any religious influence governing their laws?

      • CodeExplode on 10/04/2023 - 01:29

        All the best place in the world have walls between church and state ever since the enlightenment and when people began to realize how BS religion was, a move which we all benefit from today.

        Places ruled by religious theocrats are the worst places on the planet.

    • axlfan on 09/04/2023 - 14:37
      +1

      Sorry you are confused between religion and faith.

    • UberIsCool on 09/04/2023 - 16:59
      +1

      The truth of Jesus is love and forgiveness and eternal life after this one. Not sure how you were ‘controlled’ but society has to have rules in place to seperate us from animals, which is not what we are. The biggest issue I see with people rejection Jesus is they want to do whatever they please and try to normalise Sin, been going on for thousands of years, it’s nothing new

      • SBOB on 09/04/2023 - 17:07

        they want to do whatever they please and try to normalise Sin

        That's not exclusive to non religious people. Only one of those groups tries to justify and get away with it by confessing them and asking for forgiveness though.

        • UberIsCool on 09/04/2023 - 17:43

          True it isn’t exclusive at all, and people think if you are a Christian then you don’t Sin or commit other offences, but you do have your Sins forgiven and move on.

      • CodeExplode on 10/04/2023 - 01:32

        Batman created the universe and we have to dress up as bats every day. I don't know how others cannot see this obvious truth. Batman exists in many stories so he must be true, there's no way it could just be obvious human fiction.

    • frewer on 09/04/2023 - 22:27

      But but science just start to catch up, it's calls Sonoluminescence or Genesis1:2-4. Harvard starting to look into using sound wave for healing ( I can look up the article again IF you're interest in it )

      • CodeExplode on 10/04/2023 - 01:33

        I'm sorry but you're being scammed by things which offer false hope and which no credible scientists would remotely give a second of their time to, in a familiar pattern which is as old as time.

        • frewer on 12/04/2023 - 22:51

          Im not follows you, which one has NO credible scientists ? You have proof for this claim ?

  • gfjh567gh3 on 08/04/2023 - 23:20
    +18

    Thank you brother, I shall watch it with my young family!

  • Jayblesz on 08/04/2023 - 23:21
    +1

    praise jeebus what a deal

    • tryagain on 08/04/2023 - 23:28
      +19

      I did give you a trigger warning, your choice to ignore.

      • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:47
        +1

        You don't give kids a warning when you indoctrinate them while they're young and vulnerable to being tricked by trusted adults who should know better. As a former victim of adults like you I'm telling you that what you're doing is wrong.

        Don't tell your kids that all this magic is real, it's cruel and predictably creates people who are unjustifiably cruel to others who are 'guilty' according to the outdated bronze age laws which are intertwined with the fairy tales. If you want to take them to see fiction with a good message, take them to one not attached to a brutal bronze age religion.

        • tryagain on 08/04/2023 - 23:53
          +17

          Happy Easter, I hope you find peace, no point going around in circles.

          • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:54
            +3

            @tryagain: So you're still going to do it? Just pretend you don't hear the victims asking you to stop and laying out their reasons?

            I hope nobody ever asked the adults in my life to stop and they stuck their head in the sand like this. I already think extremely low of them, as an adult their age now looking back on how they behaved.

            • Barry frm EastEnders on 09/04/2023 - 00:38
              +11

              @CodeExplode: Your comments come across as pious and self-congratulatory.

            • chawks on 09/04/2023 - 04:45
              +7

              @CodeExplode: For someone so obviously convinced the stories/writings of the historical Jesus are fairytales, you sure spend an awful amount of time arguing over said “fairytales”. I find that rather odd.

              • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 08:50
                +1

                @chawks: I literally said why, it wasted years of my life and adults who I trusted filled my head with obvious BS. There's always people who are more annoyed by somebody yelling while being stabbed than the person doing the stabbing, only caring that their peace is broken and that somebody is rocking the boat.

                • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 08:52
                  +5

                  @CodeExplode: I got food by churches and Christians when I could not afford it. It wasted years of your life. It saved my life.

            • cookie2 on 09/04/2023 - 07:03
              +2

              @CodeExplode: You sound all twisted, a victim, you've obviously had a life experience that has skewed your opinion on religion and now you're harrassing others in their beliefs. You're even accusing the OP of being like adults that make you a "former victim".
              You need to sort your stuff out because tolerance is more important than ever in society and you come across as intolerant, harrassing and a little unhinged.

              • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 08:53
                +5

                @cookie2:

                You sound all twisted

                Yes and I want what caused it to be stopped from being done to others.

                you've obviously had a life experience that has skewed your opinion on religion

                I literally said I did, there's nothing 'obviously' about it. I spent years of my life being scammed by religion. So much time wasted as I was manipulated by adults who I trusted as a kid. I don't want this to happen to other children.

                and now you're harrassing others in their beliefs.

                I'm asking them not to abuse gullible children's trusts, as trusted adults telling them that ghosts and magic men walking on water and other obvious complete nonsense are real, which come with even more sinister primitive and cruel bronze age laws twisted together with them. I'm asking them to grow the hell up and leave long outdated things behind, and not abuse their kids and the trust they put in them as adults.

                • jman10 on 09/04/2023 - 09:50
                  +1

                  @CodeExplode: @CodeExplode I apologise for the experiences you've been put through, people can be wicked and it's by nature we are. This has obviously swayed your opinion one way, but know that you should really only base your opinion on the written texts and not necessarily what an "adult" previously told you in order serve his/hers selfish desires. Jesus LOVES you!! that I know.

                  Oh by the way this isn't fiction, it's a historical FACT he existed and his crucifixion is a historical fact which you can find evidence of in historical documents even outside of the bible.

              • reu on 09/04/2023 - 09:34
                +2

                @cookie2: He sounds pretty much on the money to me and whilst I had a Christian upbringing and can see good in that community, i think they are brainwashed. Brainwashed so much so that they enthusiastically and unknowingly brainwash the young with Easter and Christmas stories told as truth. I agree with @CodeExplode that this must make it more difficult for children to discern between fact and fiction in everyday life.

                IMO religion was created to influence and manipulate people. It's much easier to achieve that if you serve up something of a sh1t sandwich (done feel good stuff) so it's not easy to see what's really going on!

                • cookie2 on 09/04/2023 - 23:02

                  @reu: Consider for a min. What do you think businesses and gov are there to do (or more to the point,wanting to achieve) ? Exactly the same thing. Influence and manipulate. So remove religion and it just reduces competition and variety of thought and makes business and gov just a duopoly.

            • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 07:32
              +5

              @CodeExplode:

              Just pretend you don't hear the victims asking you to stop

              Dude, this is 2023 all we hear all day everyday is 'victims' trying to tell us how to live our lives. "I'm a victim, now you must do what I tell you'
              Victim culture has over-run our culture and will destroy it if not kept in check. So I hear you, and you might have had a rough time, but I will not kneel to you just because you claim to be 'a victim'.

              • Sammy Boi on 09/04/2023 - 11:57
                +2

                @1st-Amendment: Victim culture isn't necessarily a good thing but it's real… It's not a fantasy story like the Bible… Religions simply exist because people need something to believe in and somebody to follow… I was baptised catholic and went to church up until the age of 13 and guess what it's not a choice when your whole family is religious and you're a child. There is definitely a brainwashing aspect to religions. Thank the stars I opened my eyes and stopped believing liars

                • 1st-Amendment on 09/04/2023 - 15:05

                  @Sammy Boi:

                  but it's real… It's not a fantasy story like the Bible

                  Bruce Lee once pointed to the sky and said 'if you look at the hand you will miss all the glory'. Maybe try looking past the hand sometime.
                  Corinthians 13:11 might help you here…

            • axlfan on 09/04/2023 - 14:38
              +3

              @CodeExplode: Victims of what? Other humans? What does Jesus have to do with this? Have you ever read what he said? Has he said anything that has harmed you?

              • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 18:40

                @axlfan: I've already said repeatedly that I was heavily religious for many years. Yes I know what the book full of childish fairy tale stories claims jesus said.

                • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 18:44

                  @CodeExplode: Did you get help from a professional to help you? One gentleman offered his help.

                • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 18:45

                  @CodeExplode: Someone said you tried to walk on water. And he said something about being salty. is that true?

        • luckydan on 09/04/2023 - 13:36
          +1

          Guess what CodeExplode, all stories have some attachment to some sort of religion if you look hard enough and why you are living in the past? IF YOU DON'T tell us your story about your experience, in what sect of religion and what they are called, then you are just going being ignored. You are not a victim by telling use that you are a victim without a story behind it and the REASON you won't tell us because you are telling a story and a moral like what a book does, like the Bible. It sounds like you want to get something off your chest then I will bite, tell us your story, just do it.

          People can believe in some sort of magic if they want to, and since you said it's false, so you should be very close to the secret of life and how people and animals are formed, so you should be able to explain this to us. So if you have this deep understanding of creation and certainty which you seem to claim then tell us then why haven't you produced a doll, android or some AI in a similar vein as us? Until you answer these questions, no one here is going to take you seriously.

          • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 18:43
            -1

            @luckydan:

            People can believe in some sort of magic if they want to

            What is this a reply to? I never said people couldn't. I don't have the power to enforce that. I said it was cruel, manipulative, and exploitative of children's trust in adults who should know better, and that as somebody who was pretty hurt by it begged others not to repeat the same selfish mistakes of indoctrinating children into their primitive and long outdated cults from the stupid times in the middle east.

            So if you have this deep understanding of creation and certainty which you seem to claim

            Nobody has a deep understanding of the origins of the universe and I never said I did. Is the concept of admitting that you don't know an answer so foreign to you that an obvious primitive cult's fairy tale is worth latching onto?

    • Feelsbad on 08/04/2023 - 23:34
      +18

      Resurrection aside, the life and death of Jesus is pretty much historical fact at this point.

      Look up the account of Tacitus.

      Peace be upon you.

      • pharcyde on 08/04/2023 - 23:36
        +6

        And also with you.

      • CodeExplode on 08/04/2023 - 23:50
        +7

        Was he real? Very plausibly. Is there good evidence for it? No, absolutely not, and you can look up the best claims there are and see for yourself.

        The first mentions of him in history are by people who were born after he supposedly died and lived far away in other countries, who make mention of his cult causing problems, in text which is even agreed upon by historians to have been altered by somebody else due to the style change. In the following hundreds of years there's two or three brief possible mentions of him by people who weren't alive when he supposedly was and only heard tales the same as anybody else.

        All the primary sources are in the bible, which conflict with each other heavily, and are all full of claims of magic. For all we know you're saying a bronze age batman character is real because people aren't brave enough to admit that the quality of evidence is shockingly bad.

        • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 06:33
          +2

          Even some athiest and agnostic scholars say he did exist.

          Generally those who deny his existence are considered a joke. Even by the liberal critical scholars.

          • tryagain on 09/04/2023 - 06:58
            +4

            @gto21: Not just some, just about all.

            • reu on 09/04/2023 - 10:54

              @tryagain: It just doesn't matter! It makes no difference to your life other than placebo effect. Feel free to let your imagination run wild as you please though!

        • cooni on 09/04/2023 - 07:11
          +1

          All the primary sources are in the bible

          Just because these primary sources have been compiled hundreds of years later into what we call the Bible today doesn't make them invalid sources. The authors didn't know they were writing the Bible (especially if you take the non-Christian perspective).

          • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 08:46
            +3

            @cooni: The fact that they're full of claims of magic on par with a superman comic is what makes them invalid sources. There's no primary sources which aren't filled with obvious heavy fiction.

        • RetroMetro on 09/04/2023 - 11:01
          +1

          the romans documented Jesus and were pagans at that time. So yes, there are historical facts.

          • CodeExplode on 09/04/2023 - 18:39

            @RetroMetro: Can you link to where? I've looked it up repeatedly and not found any claims of that.

      • Gnostikos on 09/04/2023 - 00:13
        +17

        Look up the account of Tacitus.

        Mmmm, written 116 years after the supposed death of Jesus by a vehemently pro-pagan Roman senator who knew sweet F A about early Christians. An account of which no original manuscript survives, just two copies written in the 11th century in Italy which have been forensically proven to contain strange alterations (namely the word "Christians").

        Look I'm not disputing that Jesus was likely a historical figure but there is no "smoking gun" evidence either because he's claimed to have lived 2,000 years ago and proving the existence of any low-born individual from 2,000 years ago is problematic to say the least.

        Tacitus' account is hardly definitive as it's literally a footnote in a paragraph about the Great Fire of Rome and his writing refers to a historical "Christus" specifically, which is from the Greek word for messiah, and not any rendition of Jesus' actual name in either Latin or Greek (which would have been a little more convincing but still inadequate). He was speaking in generalities about "the messiah of the Christians" that lived and died in the past and suffered a quote/unquote "extreme penalty", all of which even in 116 AD, were well-established facts about claimed origins of Christianity that many people knew. He also gets basic well-attested details about the history wrong, like Pontius Pilate's rank and in the same sentence, describes Christianity as "hideous and shameful", displaying that classic bias/tabloid-esque sensationalism that plagued all Roman historians and that seriously tarnishes his credibility.

        Tacitus' writing is akin to one of Nostradamus' predictions or a horoscope reading; so vague as to potentially refer to anyone or anything during any period of time.

        Roman-era Judea was a hotbed of religious fanaticism, extremism and all manner of loonies claiming to be the next Jewish messiah or to be in some way prophets.
        Many of whom likely suffered fates similar to the account of the Biblical Jesus' death because Roman-era Judea was also the scene of one of the most bitter conflicts between Rome and a subjugated population, that would eventually culminate in three Roman-Jewish wars lasting nearly 70 years and which were characterized by extreme brutality on both sides, even by the standards of classical antiquity.

        Yeshua/Yeshu (Jesus' actual name in Hebrew/Aramaic) was the BC-era equivalent of "John Smith" in Roman Judea.

        There were tonnes of Yeshuas in the phone book back then. Especially in Galilee. Probably a greater than double-digit amount of whom were religiously active, community leaders preaching dissenting views who fit the profile of the man that is claimed to have existed according to the Bible. Probably quite a few of them met grisly ends at the hands of the Romans too.

        In essence, saying someone who claimed to be a messiah suffered an "extremely penalty" during that time in Roman Judea is like saying the Battle of Stalingrad was "pretty rough" and "some guys died"; you can f**king say that again, Captain Obvious.

        It's like someone claiming in 1900 that there'll be a future US President with the first name "John" who will be involved in a disastrous war and many scandals. Well of course there would be, it's a statistically certain bet that becomes more likely with the passage of time. It doesn't mean they have psychic powers.

        • tryagain on 09/04/2023 - 01:21

          You really do need to get into tin foil hat territory to be questioning the historicity of Jesus, as Bart D. Ehrman (Agnostic/Athiest) wrote "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees, based on certain and clear evidence."

          • Gnostikos on 09/04/2023 - 02:01
            +12

            @tryagain:

            You really do need to get into tin foil hat territory to be questioning the historicity of Jesus

            Spare me, Inquisitor. You sound like you walked straight out of 16th century Spain.

            It's pretty rich of Bart Ehrman to so unequivocally state that Jesus' existence is an indisputable fact when he's also gone on record to state that numerous New Testament books are forgeries and early Christian authors were prone to forgery in many of their works.

            Again, I'm of the opinion that the Biblical Jesus likely existed but no one has anything close to an open-and-shut body of evidence proving as such.

            It has also been in the best interests of many powerful entities, groups and individuals throughout history to affirm the historicity of the Biblical Jesus as a means of advancing their own legitimacy to power and these said groups, namely the early Christian Roman Empire, the medieval Roman Catholic church and modern-day Christian denominations have had numerous, long-standing and well-documented issues relating to politically-motivated corruption, historical revisionism and outright dogmatic propaganda.

            Christianity is, for all that Jesus may have said and believed, the bloodiest movement or singular entity in human history or at the very least has a death toll tied with Communism, that other hopelessly Utopian ideology that consistently ended up doing the opposite of its well-intentioned belief system. Making up lies about the life and times of one man is child's play to the puppeteers that have manipulated that religious movement throughout history for their own gains.

            • tryagain on 09/04/2023 - 02:21
              +1

              @Gnostikos: OK, so you believe all the experts in the field are"likely right" about the historicity of Jesus, now use that level of burden of proof on all the other claims you espoused.
              All fall way short. You need to get honest with yourself.

              • Gnostikos on 09/04/2023 - 14:03
                +2

                @tryagain:

                now use that level of burden of proof on all the other claims you espoused.

                In relation to what?

                That Christianity and more broadly the Abrahamic faiths in general, are one of the worst things that's happened to humanity? When you're competing with the death tolls of Stalin, Mao Zedong and Hitler combined, you know for certain you're on the wrong side of history regardless of how noble your initial intentions were.

                Or were you referring to the Christian Roman Empire and medieval Catholic Church not being tyrannically oppressive regimes that brutally suppressed all dissent and opposition, especially anything considered remotely "heretical" to Christian belief?

                You need to get honest with yourself.

                Oh the hilarity.

                Your religion didn't end up coming to hold sway over 30% of the world's population by virtue of its teachings and by the weight of its ideas and beliefs alone.

                It did so through masses of violence, fanatical proselytism, ruthless persecution of opposition forces and the vertical integration of Christianity with some of the most powerful nation-states ever to exist among many other incredibly powerful, globally-dominant interest groups.

                You judge ideas and people on their merits not on their intentions; otherwise claims could be made that Communism is a wonderful thing that everyone should embrace. Just ask the 60-100 million dead Chinese, 40-80 million dead Russians and Eastern Europeans and millions of others around the world that were victims of its "progress" on the well-paved road to hell.

                Your Jesus, were he real, would not recognise anything done in his name post-Council of Nicea. There is very, very little left of Christ in modern-day Christian denominations.

                • tryagain on 09/04/2023 - 14:43
                  +2

                  @Gnostikos:

                  In relation to what?

                  That Christianity and more broadly the Abrahamic faiths in general, are one of the worst things that's happened to humanity?

                  Let's just start that one, back that up with a broad scholarly consensus from the relevant experts. I'll wait.

                  • Gnostikos on 09/04/2023 - 14:50

                    @tryagain: Sure, right after you present your overwhelming, irrefutable evidence for Jesus' existence based on more than the one-sentence quote of one man and stop acting like a pretentious, armchair intellectual who demands that everyone else offer ridiculous burdens of proof while lazily making massive absolutist statements and acting as if they're incontrovertible laws of the universe.

                    You believe in a book that has more contradiction and plot holes in it than a Hollywood blockbuster and now you want "broad scholarly consensus from the relevant experts" for anyone who dares to question it?

                    It's a wonder your belief system had to kill so many innocents in order for it to spread, it really is.

                    • tryagain on 09/04/2023 - 15:13
                      +2

                      @Gnostikos: So all those red herrings and whataboutism just to say your claims are baseless? Here is evidence of broad scholarly consensus for the historicity of Jesus that you only think is "likely" yet your other claims that you seem so sure about are proving to be based on nothing remotely close to that level of proof.

            • coathanger007 on 09/04/2023 - 04:21
              +1

              @Gnostikos: The bible itself is a collection of historical manuscripts that evidence Jesus numerous times. Many of the epistles of Paul were written within 40 years of Jesus death. We have four historical biographies (Gospels) written in the first century when there would still would have been eyewitnesses around to confirm or reject the claims. In terms of ancient evidences, writings less than 200 years after events took place are considered very reliable evidences.

              Given the breadth of evidence for Jesus, Justin Bass offers the following perspective in his recent book The Bedrock of Christianity:

              “Tiberius was the most powerful man in the world of his day. Jesus was one of the poorest, belonging to the peasant class as a Jewish carpenter. He even died the most shameful death, a slave’s death, on a cross during Tiberius’ reign. Yet we have far more reliable written sources and closer to the time of Jesus’ actual life and death than this Caesar of Rome."

              Ultimately it's a question of faith. Luke 16 speaks of a rich man in hell who wants someone to go to his five brothers and warn them against coming to that place of torment. Abraham's reply was that these five brothers, being Jews, had the OT Scriptures, and these were sufficient to warn them. The rich man contradicted Abraham, stating that if one should go to them from the dead, they would surely repent. However, Abraham had the last word. He stated that failure to listen to the Word of God is final. If people will not heed the Bible, they would not believe if a person rose from the dead.

              • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 06:19

                @coathanger007: You need to differenciate what Bart Ehrman says to the layman compare to his scholarly work.

                He usually contradict himself since I suspect he want to make as much money possible from the layman.

              • Gnostikos on 09/04/2023 - 14:36
                +1

                @coathanger007:

                The bible itself is a collection of historical manuscripts that evidence Jesus numerous times

                It's a syncretic, derivative collection of Near Eastern and Ancient Mediterranean wisdom, most of which predates the Bible's creation by hundreds, if not thousands of years.

                Zoroastrianism, the world's first monotheistic faith, gave Christianity the key concepts of good and evil represented by God and Satan, resurrection and final judgment, apocalyptic messianism, the revelation of God on a mountain to a key prophet, the three sons of Noah, heaven and hell, angelology and demonology, the cosmology of six days of creation and free will.

                Mesopotamian creation myths gave Christianity the Genesis account of the great flood, the story of Noah and the ark via the character of Utnapishtim (the Sumerian Noah) from the Epic of Gilgamesh.

                Platonic thought, Greek philosophy and Hellenic culture is where Christianity derived its concepts of the omnipotence and benevolence of God, the perfection of his creation/works and the immutable, unchanging eternal nature of God. Many Greek philosophers were reinterpreted as revealing Christianity or pre-Christian thought in their writings. There are strains of Platonism, Stoicism and Cynicism running throughout many books of the New Testament. The architecture of the first purpose-built churches was based on the Basilica, which ultimately derives from pagan Hellenic temples. Later medieval Scholasticism was a rediscovery of the works of Aristotle and Neoplatonism.

                Ancient Egyptian Mythology also strongly influenced Christianity in its development of the judgement of the soul after death based on the deeds of one's life. There are also many parallels between Pharoah Akhenaten's introduction of monotheistic Atenism in Ancient Egypt and the development of Judaism and Christianity.

                All of this scattered knowledge, teaching and tradition was accumulated by the Hebrews/Israelites on their various journeys throughout lands adjacent to Judea and kept alive by various non-mainstream Jewish sects that were precursors to Christianity like the Essenes, before finally being formally compiled and recorded into early Christian thought and belief.

                "There is nothing new under the sun", not even Christianity.

                Justin Bass offers the following perspective in his recent book The Bedrock of Christianity

                An Evangelical professor? What an impartial source, I'm sure he's not just advancing his own personal beliefs.

            • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 11:34

              @Gnostikos: You need to differenciate what Bart Ehrman says to the layman compare to his scholarly work.

              He usually contradict himself since I suspect he want to make as much money possible from the layman.

              • Gnostikos on 09/04/2023 - 14:41
                +1

                @gto21: Bending the truth to help sell books? Well that makes him an incredibly trustworthy academic who definitely couldn't be wrong about the historical evidence for the existence of Jesus.

                • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 15:38

                  @Gnostikos: If he is unreliable or untrustworthy for this academic work. He won't get away with it because other scholars will read his work. Whereas he will get away with some misinformation to the layman.

                  He will probably make more money if he can make a strong case against scholars.

        • jettim76 on 09/04/2023 - 07:38

          Nailed it.

      • Barry frm EastEnders on 09/04/2023 - 00:42

        I haven't read the New Testament but the resurrection and miracles parts could be allegorical.

        • CommuterPolluter on 09/04/2023 - 01:08
          +5

          Yeah the apostles went and got themselves killed over allegories.

          • Barry frm EastEnders on 09/04/2023 - 01:14

            @CommuterPolluter: Which apostles? How did they get killed?

          • Eeples on 09/04/2023 - 23:28

            @CommuterPolluter: Generally, they got themselves killed by preaching.

            Some of them may well have made up stuff such as the resurrection and miracles to convince others of the veracity of their claims of Christ’s identity and hence gain authority for their preachings.

    • cookie2 on 09/04/2023 - 06:58
      +1

      You say wake up. So does following a religion make people asleep? Lets talk about Islam or Buddhism, as well as a Catholicism.

  • Altashi on 08/04/2023 - 23:26
    +35

    He paid for our sins, and it was a bargain.

    • Barry frm EastEnders on 08/04/2023 - 23:30
      +1

      Clearly still under the contol of "bronze age superstitions" if he can't see that this is a bargain.

    • gsouth82 on 08/04/2023 - 23:37
      +6

      He paid full price for mine. No bargain here

    • ihfree on 08/04/2023 - 23:49
      +3

      The "bargain" has had a high price for humanity - child abuse, the LNP, Bush, Mother Teresa, etc.

      • GandalfTheCheap on 09/04/2023 - 14:13
        +1

        Yes, as we all know, Christians invented child abuse 🤦‍♂️

        You honestly think that if Australia's dominant cultural context had been Buddhist, Muslim, or even atheist, politicians wouldn't have tried to invoke it for their own nefarious purposes?

        Guess what, there are other countries where the dominant cultural context is each of those. I've spent dozens of hours on election days campaigning against the LNP, but at least they haven't incited and led riots where innocent people were hacked to death in the streets as conservative Buddhist politicians in Sri Lanka did on multiple occasions.

        There are countless examples in other countries too.

        If you honestly think the evil done in the name of Christianity throughout history is close to even a tenth of the good Christianity has done, you've spent way to much time on Reddit.

        • ihfree on 09/04/2023 - 16:07
          +2

          Yes, as we all know, Christians invented child abuse

          That's not at all what is said. Systemic child abuse in churches is well documented.

          at least they haven't incited…

          Many policies have caused harm though with faith being a justification. There isn't really nuance there as it's a throw away comment in response to a joke.

          If you honestly think the evil done in the name of Christianity throughout history is close to even a tenth of the good Christianity has done

          Difficult to quantify and would involve a whole lot of what ifs. Our society does come from Christian values and I have seen the argument that Christianity helped western society. I can see the reasoning behind that.

          Overall, I don't really know of have thought about that enough to have an opinion.

          Either way, religion is not something that is needed now.

          • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 16:11

            @ihfree: Theirs many testimonies that say religion helped them maybe against drug additions etc. It can be the reason some people are still alive. Maybe you don't need it. Maybe you think those people are wrong. But that's still what helped them.

            • Canberran on 09/04/2023 - 16:13
              +1

              @gto21: "theirs" also many testimonies that religion has (profanity) people up (both literally and figuratively).

              Just keep it off OzB

              • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 16:15

                @Canberran: I thought you agree to go to atheistBargain. You're still here.

                • Canberran on 09/04/2023 - 16:17

                  @gto21: I'll go wherever I'm needed, and that's apparently to keep you religious nuts in your lane.

                  • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 16:19

                    @Canberran: They need you at atheistBargain. They can't figure out how everything is created from nothing. You can explain them.

              • gto21 on 09/04/2023 - 16:17

                @Canberran: Theirs also many testimonies of atheist (profanity) people up (both literally and figuratively). Should we banned books arguing for atheism?

                • Canberran on 09/04/2023 - 16:20

                  @gto21: Can you PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF gOD learn the difference between "Theirs" and "There's" (both literally and figuratively).

                  I also can't believe you used profanity!!!!! Better repent.

                  Are you talking about Hogwarts? Please, link me an Atheist book on OzBargain being spruiked. PLEASE

    • Iluvfreebies-freeDel on 09/04/2023 - 06:17

      I am waiting for someone else to pay my sins. It would be the best bargain ever.

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