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[VIC] HECS Fee Paid for Students Who Agree to Teach in Secondary Government School for 2 Years after Grad @ Victoria Government

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[VIC] HECS Fee Paid for Students Who Agree to Teach in Secondary Government School for 2 Years after Grad @ Victoria Government
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HamBoi69 on 03/10/2023 - 06:57 vic.gov.au (2338 clicks)
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After the last deal post was unpublished for being too early, and given today marks 90 days until January 1st next year, I figure we can finally share this bargain.

From media release

An investment of up to $93.2 million will provide new scholarships to support teaching degree students with the cost of studying and living – joining the Labor Government’s Free Nursing initiative, which began this year to boost the state’s pipeline of healthcare workers.

The scholarships will be available to all students who enrol in secondary school teaching degrees in 2024 and 2025, with final payments if they then work in Victorian government schools for two years after they graduate – supporting around 4,000 future teachers each year.

The total scholarship for students who complete their studies and then choose to work in government secondary schools will match the HELP fees charged by the Commonwealth Government for Commonwealth Supported Places – $18,000 for a four-year undergraduate program or $9,000 for two years of postgraduate study.

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        • frugalftw on 03/10/2023 - 09:27

          Thanks for the response, but I think you are confusing personal growth with career progression.

          • ruthlesskid on 03/10/2023 - 11:43

            @frugalftw: NP, althought i think they are not mutually exclusive.
            Teaching can be thought as customer service. Your clientele are the students when you are in the classroom, skills/experience developed overtime should help you become a more effective teacher.
            Your clientele changes to other stakeholders when you become middle management, very different skillset and new experiences away from classroom.
            Most teachers figures out "what works" for them and their students, and revisit them per year.
            Now, I am not suggesting all teacher are in the limited growth (personal/career) category. However, I have seen many senior teachers still use the same material/pedagogy from decades ago. e.g Overhead projectors 🫠Should the wheel be reinvented?

            • frugalftw on 03/10/2023 - 12:18
              +1

              @ruthlesskid: I see it as managing people of different age groups, and I think once you master the young ones, you might find adults to be not that far from it, they are just under a different set of rules. You modify your style of communication and other aspects to work with every new person in your life anyway, it’s not that new. I also believe being around the younglings provides you with a lot of opportunities to grow personally, because you get to see first hand that we are indeed the product of our environment.

              For my own experience and reflection, what I value most from the classroom is learning how to think and interact with others (teachers or students). With those two, you can create any technology when you grow up. As such, I don’t think there’s much need to update their equipment. I get it if it makes teaching easier for the teachers, just don’t think it’s quite valid a point to make it about the quality of teaching. I mean, didn’t we create Steiner schools to get rid of tech to an extent?

              • ruthlesskid on 03/10/2023 - 13:49

                @frugalftw: Thank you for sharing your thought with me. I can relate the optimism towards progression in general.
                I agree with what you said about managing different age groups.
                I have heard plenty stories of teachers genuinely enjoying teaching/managing their own classes, with great satisfaction. Almost never did I hear a middle management say the same about leading/managing adults in schools.
                My example of customer service does not accurately depict the nature of teaching learning cycle. However, the positive relationship building in classrooms should be genuine and rewarding.
                Never had first hand experience with Steiner schools, however, I am always keen to know more about it and the other non-maintream approach.
                Teaching is a nobel career, its just not widely appreciated by the general public.

                • frugalftw on 03/10/2023 - 15:58

                  @ruthlesskid: I was only wanting to talk about it because you feel quite open :)

                  When I was in tech, Steiner schools were popular among technical people when they started to have children… Go figure. I have met a couple teenagers who went to those schools, they had no issues with tech, in fact one of them decided to study graphic design in high school, and they were pretty good doing post processing with Adobe stuff. (This is a non-tech, single mother household.) I can’t possibly compare one human to another, so wether or not it’s better or worse for the individual is beyond my comprehension. I do have to say that they didn’t have to fight too much about screen time lol And they were better behaved than I ever was at their age.

                  There’s a few ways to go about perceiving the lack, if I were you, I’d see it as a great set up, in that it filters out the ones who are not fit for the job, so that whoever left behind are the ones who genuinely enjoying teaching/managing their own classes, with great satisfaction 😉 Those are precisely the type of teachers we want. And when you feel satisfied, you don’t need external appreciation, respect, etc. I know this because I am so after every meal 🤣

                  • ruthlesskid on 03/10/2023 - 22:05

                    @frugalftw: Interesting accounts of your exposure to the steiner school.
                    I agree the filter can select the more suited for the job.
                    However, there are not enough incentives to attract talents in the first place. This is a systematic conundrum that is not on the prioritity list of the state government.
                    Quote - when you feel satisfied, you don't need external appreciation, respect. think again what you're suggesting.😕 many teacher considers these virtue the last thread to keep teaching, actually, any noble job. Is it too much to ask for the general public to give repect and appreciation to the teaching profession?(looking at you, Japan) 😀
                    In this country, teachers are truly in it for student outcome, not the personal income, we need urgent changes to come!

                    • frugalftw on 03/10/2023 - 23:54

                      @ruthlesskid: Hmmm I’ve not had any convo with anyone who seemed to disrespect or under appreciate teachers. It might be that people are not showing it according to your value system? If you equate income and perks with appreciation, it would appear to be the case that teachers are not valued much, and the same goes with full time parents. It’s a bargain forum so that makes sense, and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s however only one of many ways to evaluate a situation, and one that can be very dangerous to your well-being.

                      I have worked with homeless people, ordinary people and those who are really well-off and influential. Homeless clients always paid their bills (with discounts), as well as the other end of the spectrum. It’s the ordinary people who are most unpredictable, in that some would promise to pay me in the future and the future never arrives, some would bargain with me, and some would tip me. I don’t take offence in any case and provide my service to the same standard. Life’s complicated, I don’t know why they made the decisions they made, but I know they have their reasons, and that is enough. One client came to see me twice then lost it on the phone. I asked ‘Was it helpful?’ She said ‘Yes’, then she said ‘But I can’t pay you every time I come and see you!’ Puzzled, I said ‘I am available to help you, but I can’t do it without you paying.’ She hung up. My work was appreciated, but she couldn’t afford it. I appreciate the recognition, but could not afford to help her.

                      In any case, it amuses me to think if doctors have the same problems as teachers, our lives would be much better 😂

                      • ruthlesskid on 04/10/2023 - 07:26

                        @frugalftw: Thank you again for sharing interesting personal stories. Your stories gives off very similar tone to my physiotherapy friend, good on you for being helpful and always positive towards your clients 🙏
                        We are both fortunate to be in this great country living modestly. I value my family and well-being the most. I try not to take any negative energy I get at work home.
                        I just had look at a r/AustralianTeachers and the top three post within 24hrs were:
                        - Student pointed a replica gun at my head (for the second time in less than 12 month)
                        - feeling defeated about completing my teaching degree
                        - the impact of Tiktok on your teaching life
                        Although taking most things I read online with skeptism, These accounts are heartbreaking 💔
                        I have not responded so much to a post for a long time, guess I just need to get a few things off my chest, thanks for listening to my rants, frugalftw. 😃♥️🫡

                        • frugalftw on 04/10/2023 - 09:39

                          @ruthlesskid: Reddit is an interesting place, I’ve been responding there in the last few days to explore the culture. I have to say though, just as real life, people with a negative outlook will tend to post and respond negatively. This can change however, but not with more negativity. (That’s my comment, he finally opened up a little in the end. You can see how reactive and full of attitude the person is. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with him being that way, we are all only human, it’s just not an easy way to live, for his sake.) In essence, your being the embodiment of the solution, or the reality you want to be in, is how you move yourself out of the shitzone, and subsequently, your family and peers.

                          No worries, enjoy the rest of your week (and hopefully on r/funny).

      • anastasiastarz on 03/10/2023 - 11:33

        Have you ever met a first year, as a final year? There's so much they haven't done/lived/explored.

        • frugalftw on 03/10/2023 - 12:21

          That has nothing to do with personal growths though? You can be working in a job for 30 years and only had the same one-year experience repeated 30 times, or find ways to make it a different experience everyday. It’s a conscious decision you make and work on yourself, regardless of where you are.

    • ruthlesskid on 03/10/2023 - 09:13
      +6

      Well said, could be better. Teachers with stories to tell are always more interesting to learn from.
      However, those teacher with industrial experience has to take a paycut and adjust to the teaching work/life balance. e.g. taking exam and reports home to work on.
      From most career-change teachers I have spoken, they retrain because they love working with kids and the pay doesnt bother them too much(mortgage paid off)
      I dont want to be a pessimist, however, out of the 10 teacher frends who graduated 10 years ago, only 4 are still teaching, 2 are planning to quit in the near future.

      • 1st-Amendment on 03/10/2023 - 10:03
        +2

        I dont want to be a pessimist, however, out of the 10 teacher frends who graduated 10 years ago, only 4 are still teaching, 2 are planning to quit in the near future.

        You have every right to be pessimistic about the situation. We have a double whammy of an entire generation of teachers in the midst of retiring, plus younger teacher leaving in record numbers. There's a huge supply issue which is about to blow up.

      • andrew229 on 03/10/2023 - 15:11

        Yes , it’s good to encourage new graduate teachers, but the high proportion of new teachers leaving in the first few years shows how unattractive a job teaching has become ….

    • Velt on 03/10/2023 - 09:47

      Agree completely

    • OzBarAnon on 03/10/2023 - 10:30
      +1

      Agreed. People understand the problem with lifelong politicians and how they have a disconnect from people that they're supposed to represent. Well teaching isn't so different, except instead of representation of other industries, it's preparation. How can you expect a teacher to get students ready for another professional field when they themselves have never worked in it?

  • life is suffering on 03/10/2023 - 08:09

    Thought this was a US Army ad

  • Frozensage on 03/10/2023 - 08:31
    +9

    Instead of getting new ppl with no experience to go in the industry maybe start paying existing teachers better wage and pay them for going to camps and weekend school sporting events to incentivise them to stick around?

    • geekcohen on 03/10/2023 - 08:35

      Instead of getting new ppl with no experience to go in the industry maybe start paying existing teachers better wage and pay them for going to camps

      This!!!!!

      weekend school sporting events to incentivise them to stick around?

      What? What weekend school sporting events? I think that only occurs for the private sector?

      • Frozensage on 03/10/2023 - 08:43

        State district swimming events. Cross country. The local school the teacher had to take spend a weekend interstate with the students who qualified

    • stealthpaw on 03/10/2023 - 08:55
      +5

      The last thing they need is more non-teaching activities. The problem is they can't teach.
      Working conditions are so bad (essentially daycare for feral kids) that new and existing teachers will still leave en-mass.

    • leiiv on 03/10/2023 - 10:52

      Last time I know that we are still electing capitalist law makers. Of course, they need to get more people to keep the supply high and the wage low.

  • wombat81 on 03/10/2023 - 08:36
    +1

    Still not worth it.

  • SupeNintendoChalmers on 03/10/2023 - 08:39
    +4

    Why would Dan Andrews do this?

    • frugalftw on 03/10/2023 - 09:05
      +1

      H’d resigned. Phew

  • hamwhisperer on 03/10/2023 - 08:41
    +3

    This is a good thing, this is the government promoting jobs finally. Instead of just import people who are willing to do the jobs cheaper.

    • Be careful on 03/10/2023 - 09:25
      +3

      Not a question of cheaper it more about nobody wanting these toxic jobs

      • ruthlesskid on 03/10/2023 - 09:31
        +1

        Be careful of which job(s) you're calling toxic. All(most) of my teachers back then were brilliant, considering how aweful we were.

        • hamwhisperer on 03/10/2023 - 10:16
          +2

          Agreed.

          Seen some footage, heard enough stories of what teachers deal with. I can't fathom the job now. I can't. It's going to get worse too.
          If you're a public teacher in western suburbs of Vic or NSW, god help you, you need a medal.

        • smartazz104 on 03/10/2023 - 10:20

          How far ago was "back then"?

        • Misha Bakunin on 03/10/2023 - 10:56
          +1

          "back then".

          Teaching is different now.

        • Jec on 03/10/2023 - 15:09

          @ruthlesskid It's not that the teachers are toxic - the working environment is. There's a reason attrition rates are so high for primary and secondary education.

          • ruthlesskid on 03/10/2023 - 17:55

            @Jec: Agreed, for better choice of words.
            Many has identified the factors for high attrition rate in this post. I dont think this constitutes a bargain, more like the state government looking for bodies heading down a self fufilling prophecy at the expense of young people's time and passion.

        • R00D on 06/10/2023 - 07:39

          True. Though teachers need to project confidence even if they have none, especially high school teachers. Teens will pick up insecure teachers in an instant and some will take immediate advantage. You don't win that way, not every child is there to learn.

  • ilikeit on 03/10/2023 - 08:50
    +8

    This is a short term Band-Aid fix and will not solve the issues long term.

    I suggest a visit to r/AustralianTeachers for the truth.

    • Noobist45 on 05/10/2023 - 12:00

      One of the last time there was a strike I was driving to work listening to multiple radio stations as teachers called in, sent emails and text messages. Out of 30+ conversations only 2 or 3 mentioned money and even then they said it's not the driving force behind what they do. Fast forward to the end of the day and the only thing the teachers union and media are talking about is 'pay increase'.
      Eventually work load is mentioned by one person in the teachers union but nothing ever comes of it. No plan, no changes, no forethought, no idea.

  • corgi-runner on 03/10/2023 - 08:59
    +1

    BYO machete?

  • Loki556 on 03/10/2023 - 09:01
    +4

    Unfortunately nothing more than a stunt, rather than trying it really do something.

    Feels like it’s one of those problems that’s too hard to tackle, so government do a song and a dance about all kinds of arbitrary activities to make it look like they are doing something, instead of actually doing something.

    Performative politics.

  • Loki556 on 03/10/2023 - 09:02
    +1

    Only gonna get worse as the broke state keeps on spending money it doesn’t have

    • smartazz104 on 03/10/2023 - 09:10

      Wow it's just like the middle class, living on debt.

    • Ademos on 03/10/2023 - 09:36
      +1

      Tell the class what the last fed liberal governments debt tally was when they walked out again, would you sport?

      • 1st-Amendment on 03/10/2023 - 12:05

        Tell the class what the last fed liberal governments debt tally was

        First tell us how why you think that matters? Do that then I'll explain why you got it wrong…

  • Sinnerator on 03/10/2023 - 09:23
    -1

    so this is just 2 years worth of hex fees paid NOT your entire hex debt paid off, correct?

  • Be careful on 03/10/2023 - 09:24
    +2

    Alp are getting desperate.
    Teaching in Victoria is a toxic environment

  • Corza000 on 03/10/2023 - 09:38
    +12

    Not a deal. This is a trap. Unless of course you love teaching.

    Think about it for a second. Why is the government trying to push people into this profession? Why is there a shortage in the first place?

    Many have been leaving the profession in recent years as conditions have deteriorated. Teaching has been known to have a high burnout rate. Past data has shown that 1 in 5 leave the profession in the first 5 years. Those leaving has increased in recent times.

    So why has this been? These are my observations. And as per usual these observations won’t fit every area and every school but they are mine.

    Respect. The respect of teachers has deteriorated dramatically. The way teachers are talked about in society and the media is appalling. These days parents are quite quick to take the students side over the teacher’s side. Behaviour has significantly shifted in young people over recent years. This is commonly discussed as to whether it is a societal shift, the impact of loss of structure in COVID or whether it comes from a home life in which young people rule the roost. Assaults both verbal and physical are much more common. But general attitude towards teachers is poor.

    The pay and conditions just don’t stack up anymore. Victorian teachers have taken a pay cut in real terms. 2% per year til 2025. We are regressing in living standards as inflation eats away at our purchasing power. We are overworked with administration and if you looked at the hours that are worked per pay you would be better off working at the local supermarket (there was a study done on the average hours that teachers work- it isn’t pretty). We are constantly topped up with PD and administration requirements that draws us away from doing what we love- teaching.

    If you love teaching do it. Regardless of the above I love teaching despite it wearing away at me each year. If you are in at just for the free degree you probably won’t last and the opportunity cost of time would be far greater than the expense you saved.

    • Notoriousbird on 03/10/2023 - 11:01

      More than 50% leave in the first 5 years.

  • U30004 on 03/10/2023 - 09:50
    -3

    Is teaching just about money and comfort? How about building the future?

    • smartazz104 on 03/10/2023 - 10:21
      +7

      You can only do so much when you're forced to deal with the kinds of kids from parents that shouldn't be allowed to conceive.

      • U30004 on 03/10/2023 - 10:22
        +1

        Isnt that a reflection of our society and what we have encouraged in oz?

        • leiiv on 04/10/2023 - 14:42

          Then, isn't that part of the teacher's fault too? I mean, all of our politicians who make the rules and the leaders who manage our school, they all had been taught by school teachers in the past. The general reflection is also the result of our education.

          • U30004 on 04/10/2023 - 14:58

            @leiiv: Absolutely. We reap what we saw

    • andrew229 on 03/10/2023 - 15:21

      It is about building the future , but teachers and nurses are overworked and the education depts in the different states have made high school teaching into a career that burns out teachers. We are lucky as our family went to public and private schools in good areas, but not everyone can afford that .

      It looks like the teacher shortage in the East Coast is a lot worse than here in WA, if you live in the better suburbs here, then the government schools can still get teachers that are fully qualified in the areas they’re teaching. And there is a good choice of private schools.

    • mull on 07/10/2023 - 21:19

      No.
      Any job is about fair working conditions, fair compensation, and a tangible positive outcome.

      Most people will find the job acceptable, if at least 2 out of 3, of those items are satisfied.

      Most teachers don't even get 1 of those.

      • The work requirements and environment are garbage.
      • The pay is lousy for the hours needed.
      • Most of the work that they put in becomes inconsequential, and is often met with disrespect.

      It can explain one of the core reasons why there is a severe shortage of workers in some other industries too.

      tl;dr
      No. To quote from the Goodfellas, "F*** you. Pay me."

      • U30004 on 07/10/2023 - 21:36

        Increased pay = Increased inflation = same pay as before

        • mull on 08/10/2023 - 00:01

          That would occur, if that happened for everyone.

          However, it is now a supply and demand issue.
          Higher demand, but lack of supply, is going raise the cost to allevate the supply issue.

          Otherwise, an immediate shift in work loads and conditions are needed to be implemented.

          It is far more economical and practical to retain staff, rather than recruit new staff.

  • slothhead on 03/10/2023 - 09:50
    +2

    It is widely understood by the community (if these comments are emblematic) that this 'solution' does not address the root cause of the problem and will only result in more churn. So an incredibly poor use of $93.2 million of Victorian taxpayer money. Why am I seeing these types of ineffective and costly schemes so frequently from this Government? I really do have to wonder about the quality of the public servants who are making these decisions.

    • CheapBrah on 03/10/2023 - 09:59
      +2

      Every aspect of the state has gone backwards in the last decade while spending has almost doubled (paid for with 50 new or increased taxes and the highest debt in the world amongst comparable states).

      • Ademos on 03/10/2023 - 11:37
        +1

        amongst comparable states

        Like?

        You know the entire western worlds gone backwards in the last decade, right?

        • CheapBrah on 03/10/2023 - 12:26
          +1

          Its based on a S&P analysis looking at similar countries with a similar jurisdictional structure, which are the states/provinces in Canada and Germany. Victoria has the highest debt across all.

      • MagnamoniousRex on 03/10/2023 - 16:43
        +1

        Victoria is the fastest growing state by far, we had no choice but to build as much infrastructure as we could as soon as possible. That comes with debt, it's not avoidable unless your plan is to just defund everything else.

        • CheapBrah on 04/10/2023 - 16:15

          It's not as simple as "build infrastructure", it should be the right infrastructure at the right price. What infrastructure has been built that actually has a credible business case showing it will deliver more benefit than its cost? The North East link is probably the closest and even that's not clear cut.

    • SpainKing on 03/10/2023 - 13:25

      I guess 'cos your eyes must've been closed the 12 years before they came in to power. Teachers' complaints didn't all magically start in 2022 just because the LNP didn't have a majority government and the ALP has been spending our money far more wisely than the LNP (or their mates from high school) could.

    • U30004 on 08/10/2023 - 07:22

      You should contest elections and make the decisions

  • CheapBrah on 03/10/2023 - 09:58

    Nice, take advantage of this sign up offer then churn out of Victoria, that's the ozbargain way.

  • Misha Bakunin on 03/10/2023 - 10:23
    +1

    Still not worth it, I'm friends with new teachers due to my gf finishing a master's of teaching…

    Most of them have quit due to the workload / stress / bureaucracy / toxic workspace.

    It's not like it was, teachers have to do so much more these days.

    It's a trap!

  • try2bhelpful on 03/10/2023 - 11:12

    It would appear we need to put a rightwing “trigger” warning on our posts. For some reason they feel the need to try to dominate whatever topic is raised. In all honesty all it does is highlight their ignorance and the fact this site doesn’t allow us anywhere near enough downvotes in a day. Some of their “reasoning” is cloud cuckoo land. The trouble is the cops are, increasingly, having to deal with the mental health fallout of people who have disappeared down this hole. Increasingly terrorism in Australia is dealing with RWNJs who are irrational and paranoid.

    • Ademos on 03/10/2023 - 11:36

      I wish I could have been in the living room of every idiot dancing on the westgate when Dan Gained another seat at the last election. They really, really, really still aren't coping well are they :D

      • try2bhelpful on 03/10/2023 - 11:42
        +1

        I was on a tram some months ago and we got held up for a few minutes because of a “protest” March. It was some weird rightwing paranoid protest and there were about ten of them, being lead by some guy in a mobility scooter, walking up Bourke St. it was very sad to see.

  • ar7ist on 03/10/2023 - 11:32
    +11

    I'll share my personal experience.

    Been working in IT for 7-8 years, decided to do a Masters in Teaching. Got the scholarship and placement in a public school to teach IT.

    • My pay was less than half.
    • Even though I was used to long hours working in consulting/IT, my hours at the school plus hours at the uni were quite a bit more.
    • I did it for 3-4 months and decided it wasn't worth it and withdrew from the course and quit from the school.
    • The person replacing me was a CRT and told me he had a much healthier work life balance and get paid much better.
    • The only reason I stuck around for a while was because I was really happy interacting with the kids and I felt I was providing them proper knowledge that would help them should they decide to pursue a career in IT (was teaching Year 8-12).

    So I definitely share the same sentiment as everyone in this post:
    * Improve pay
    * Better hours for teachers
    * Increase standards of becoming a teacher, just a degree shouldn't be enough. Industry experience should be necessary so the education we provide to the kids is not just what's written in the book. Teachers are responsibile for next generation and need to teach kids to create things and have a curious mind.

    • andrew229 on 03/10/2023 - 15:24
      +1

      You make some very logical points, but it doesn’t look like the government is going to treat teachers as anything more than disposable

    • MagnamoniousRex on 03/10/2023 - 16:50
      +1

      This money would be better spent paying to train administrative assistants than teachers.

      If you have dedicated administrators doing most of the admin, ie reporting, grading etc., and the teachers just teach the kids 8-4, retention wouldn't be a problem. Teachers love what they do, it takes a lot to make them quit, they just need adequate support to manage all the additional busywork they are now required to do.

  • Jec on 03/10/2023 - 11:37
    +10

    Gov: Hmm attrition rates are extremely high for primary and secondary educators, I wonder how best to fix this
    Teachers: Please address (list of legitimate issues within the education sector)
    Gov: We will simply bring in more students who don't actually care about teaching by incentivising it!

    Love the deal, hate the lack of sense behind it.

    • andrew229 on 03/10/2023 - 15:23

      Very good points, sadly, the government is not doing that

    • Ghost47 on 03/10/2023 - 21:17
      +1

      Gov: We will simply bring in more students who don't actually care about teaching by incentivising it!

      That's my main concern with this as well. Tertiary study should be considered very carefully, not "I'm going to study that because it's free" which I'm sure some people will succumb to as a result of this scheme.

  • try2bhelpful on 03/10/2023 - 11:52
    +1

    Arghhh. Refusing to feed the trolls.

  • tunzafun001 on 03/10/2023 - 12:40
    +6

    Just a word of WARNING..

    I signed up to a program where if you agree to teach in the country for 4 years, you will be guaranteed a permanent position in a metro area of your chosing. I completed 14 years in country teaching in Cat 2. Been through Principals going insane (literally), high end violence, and kids killing themselves. Stuff no one really should go through, but its out there.

    After 5 years returning home to metro ADL, I still havent been placed in a Permanent position. I was asked to commute 108km per day through metro traffic. Teachers just dont have enough time in a day to waste 4hrs in traffic per day.

    Job is hard enough as it is.

    The reason given was a change in goverment (funding) and there are no positions available now.

    So dont think for a minute that any offer is set in stone. Im looking at it legally, but they may have a get out of jail free card by having invalid policies.

    ANYTHING involving teaching..AVOID..

  • lunartemis on 03/10/2023 - 13:40

    One of my teacher colleagues teach ina government school and they had over 100 staff quit at the end of last year and they still have classes with no permanent teachers (in term 4).. teachers dont stay because students display big behavioural issues

    • andrew229 on 03/10/2023 - 15:25

      Yes, I don’t understand how people in the East Coast with children who are continually being babysat because there’s not enough teachers, how they are not forcing the government to make the education system better as a priority? . At least here in WA it is better.

  • Fudgie the whale on 03/10/2023 - 15:06
    +1

    Nice deal, signed up for 10 degrees.

  • Bigredkeg on 03/10/2023 - 15:16
    +7

    I genuinely believe this career path will never improve or be fixed. Younger generations have far less respect for their elders than we did, and mobile phones and digital devices have created kids with extremely narrow attention spans. This is a two-fold problem which results in poorly behaved kids.

    Not to mention when I went to school I had teachers who i was terrified of, they instilled discipline and respect in me that I carry to this day. With the current state of PC/nanny society, I don't think its possible for teachers to have the power to adequately control little sh*ts.

    It's only going to get worse.

    • slothhead on 03/10/2023 - 16:39

      what has brought about this shift in respect between the ages? I am like you in that I had a healthy respect for my teachers - I wouldn't dare to misbehave, and it was rare to see any of my peers misbehave. Something rotten has occurred over the past 15 years but I'm not sure what it is!

      • MagnamoniousRex on 03/10/2023 - 17:05
        +2

        From roughly 50,000BC to about 1950, most generations of adults tried to make a better life for their kids.

        For some reason people born between like 1950 and 1965, possibly because of widespread lead poisoning, parental trauma from WW2, psychedelic abuse or any combination of these, turned out to be an entire generation of absolute self-centred pieces of shit. These people rigged the entire social, political and economic system to favour them at the expense of everyone coming after them - and then they just didn't die.

        These people basically couldn't give less of a (profanity) about their kids (Gen X), they viewed having kids as an obligation and distraction from the life of leisure they deserved. Gen X tried to overcompensate with their kids (Millennials) but without healthy parenting examples they ended up smothering them, Millennials are having kids now and with much wider adoption of therapy and self-awareness they're maybe on the path to fixing the damage but ultimately they're overworked and have no money and that stress comes through in the behaviour of their kids. Gen Z are turning out alright, but they're still faced with the looming consequences of that one extremely self-centred generation who have looted society, the economy and the environment for a property portfolio they can piss down the pokies.

        • erasimos on 03/10/2023 - 18:25

          1946 - 1964 are considered the baby boomer generation. Their parents were the ones affected by war and grew up amongst reactional conservatism and the rebellion of rock and roll. They were the generation most likely to be affected by conscription. Both Biden and Trump are from the generation before but Morrison is gen x. Albanese would barely fit into boomer.
          Most of the boomer bashing is misinformed.

    • lookingforadeal7 on 03/10/2023 - 21:07

      It has to be the kids, not the school system and curriculum that hasn't changed since it started. Definitely not the parents who raise them either, and nothing to do with the environment around them created before they were born.

      • scphotos on 03/10/2023 - 23:06

        The curriculum has changed. The Australian Curriculum started in 2009 and has 9 iterations in that time.

        Curriculum is always being redeveloped (most to the annoyance of teachers).

    • Ghost47 on 03/10/2023 - 21:28

      I've heard the exact same thing from people who work in high schools and tertiary education. Definitely somewhat concerning. Not saying all kids no longer care about their studies, just that the proportion of those that don't seems to be increasing.

  • andrew229 on 03/10/2023 - 15:27

    Teachers and nurses are being overworked and the education depts in the different states have made high school teaching into a career that burns out teachers. We are lucky as our family went to public and private schools in good areas, but not everyone can afford that .

    The teacher shortage in different states seems to be getting a lot worse in recent years. More graduates will help, but it will not stop the high attrition rate of teachers.

  • lunartemis on 03/10/2023 - 16:48
    +1

    Having taught in government schools for 14 years in total, having smaller classes and getting low literacy and numeracy kids to be provided with better support in small group lessons would be far more useful than getting extra money and having to deal with behavioural issues.

  • Shane034 on 03/10/2023 - 16:58
    +1

    They need to do this for doctors too, make em bulk bill in return for a HECS waiver.

  • jaimex2 on 03/10/2023 - 19:06
    +2

    Victoria spends money like a teenager that's been offered every credit card deal around and zero education on finances.

  • bigpoppa on 03/10/2023 - 20:13
    +3

    Obviously Dan's fault

  • Storm2022 on 03/10/2023 - 20:24

    Instead of allowing unvaxxed teachers to return to the classroom. The socialist left labor party offers free teacher degrees and slug the taxpayer once again. Someone needs to tell Labor that the money has already run out.

    • gakko on 03/10/2023 - 21:04
      +1

      Unvaxxed teachers can go jump in a lake.

      • lookingforadeal7 on 03/10/2023 - 21:11
        -3

        Vaxxed teachers shouldn't be able to teach or be allowed near kids honestly. Imagine running around telling everyone to inject chemicals without realising you're a literal lunatic. Definition of a brainwashed muppet.

        • illogicalerror on 04/10/2023 - 12:49
          +1

          That's right, the invention that has single handedly saves more lives than even antibiotics, more than 4 million people a year —- evil vaccinations! —- is lunacy.

          • lookingforadeal7 on 04/10/2023 - 13:04

            @illogicalerror: I like how people ignore the fact if the vax injury rate continues that in less then 5 years in the vax would have caused more deaths then COVID. It's all fun and games and we love the vax until it's a family member, don't hold your breath I'll be over here happy healthy and unvaxxed whilst you'll have to change your family name to the Clots.

            • illogicalerror on 04/10/2023 - 13:17

              @lookingforadeal7: Would you like a %3 chance of dying from this disease or a %0.0001 chance of a serious complication to prevent that?

              You are totally entitled to take the %3, being part of the %0.0001 would be awful too.

              It's not a conspiracy. It's just maths. And irrelevant maths as well now. Virulent strains have died away now, millions of people didn't fall over everywhere from deadly vaccines. Everything is okay.

              • lookingforadeal7 on 04/10/2023 - 13:21

                @illogicalerror: What about the countries who didn't enforce the jab or lockdowns? They were completely fine and in most cases actually better off financially right now then us. It's wild that people can't connect the dots and genuinely think the same companies that politicians were investing in before the vaccine was made genuinely have your best interests at heart. Bunch o clowns, fitting for the shit show circus Australia has become recently.

                • illogicalerror on 04/10/2023 - 13:26

                  @lookingforadeal7: Over a million dead Americans disagree with you.

                  I'm not saying it wasn't a massive over reaction in some ways. But in many others it could have been so much worse. Humans making bank on everything isn't a conspiracy though, that's just what humans do. 20/20 hindsight… maybe we'll cope better if there's another virus that could cause serious issues. I really hope so. People acted really shitty on all sides.

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